Going from Berlin to Warsaw feels like you’re going from a less developed country to a more developed one. Very interesting and I would have never predicted that.
@@k.s.9400 yep :) Warsaw is a modern capitalist city built from ground up after WW2. Berlin is, and always has been, a swamp, literally built on mud and sewers. Berlin has tons of history, culture and nuance in its nooks and crannies, which surpasses Warsaw in oh so many ways. I can see why you’d think WW seems more developed. There are virtually no immigrants there, streets are cleaner, and it’s logistically sane. But the city feels “hollow” beyond this. Something is lacking. Berlin has this vibe, an identity that is rooted in its history, it has a heart. Here, Warsaw is lacking, imitating the West a bit too much, trying be the next Chicago. So on the face of it, it can feel more developed, but it depends on how you perceive it. From my POV it’s shallow and sterile, but I have high hopes for Warsaw’s ability to deepen and recoup its identity.
@@ferologics I’ve lived in Warsaw for almost a decade and have visited Berlin about 4 times. Warsaw isn’t hollow culturally, I’m just gonna guess you don’t speak a word of Polish.
@@ferologicsVibe you mentioned doesn't mean a thing. It's like personal opinion - I like potatoes more than fries, why? Because it Has better Vibe. Sure, you are free to think that
Restricting movement in the Eastern European countries after decades behind Iron Curtain was absolutely not an option. Freedom is more valuable that economy.
Woah shit. Samo always dropping bombs "[College] in my opinion is a zero-sum exercise of limited utility to society." LMFAO. Please never change Samo. I'll listen to every single live players episode you ever produce.
Would love to see a standalone episode about Slovenia, presented as a perfect endgame case (canary in a goldmine?) for what EU policies achieved since 2004. Its size is perfect for a laboratory where a live player could quickly demonstrate what kind of result above that is possible. If an above-average result can’t be achieved for a city-state-sized population of 2 million within a decade (in either case), what hope and timeline is there for nations with 20 or 200 million people?
Among 3 Baltic countries it's actually Latvia not Estonia that has the biggest ethnic Russian population with the lowest assimilation rate -- and thus the biggest potential to suffer the most should Russia activate their political destabilization campaign. But that's details, he's still _directionally_ 100% correct. The reason why Latvia was the main target for Stalin's Russification efforts -- he tried to split the Baltic trio into half (Latvia is the middle one) and sort of "reach the Baltic sea" for the Russian Empire. Another, smaller, belt of imported Russian population is on the northern coast of Estonia -- prolly to separate it from the "evil capitalist Finland". People don't realize how intentional the colonization is for the Empires. There's nothing accidental in it, it's perfected to almost an art form. An Empire, especially the continental one like Russia lives in the ever lastin rythm of invasions (when it's on the top of it's strength) followed by the time of "digesting" the ingested populations. Followed by a phase of invasions, followed by colonization efforts, followed by... and so forever. Or until it's destroyed -- whichever comes first.
in general agree, but there's bit of odd inaccuracies. I will keep it limited to Poland as i'm native and i'm most familiar with. Western Europe is subsidizing "eastern european" economies - just check how many big companies can you name from the region - entire regions' GDP in Poland is carried by Dutch, German or French companies. After 30 years there's hardly any domestic company coming from the region. Migration wise people coming back is insignificant, it's only mentioned as it's odd to see people actually coming back at all. We are ones using progressive taxation. Economically we are heavily social and state centered model (that is common in all old block i believe). From cultural points - american university type progressivism pretty much doesn't exist. That entire section from 46:00 to around 52:00 is pure delusional nonsense.
Great video, fascinating stuff but 1 thing: I'm Bulgarian and at around 40:10 mark you say smaller east eu countries don't have market big enough for dubbing - that's utterly ridiculous, in Bulgaria I despise when they dub movies cuz they do it A LOT. Not all but on major channels almost all foreign ones are dubbed. Having that said almost all native young people here including myself do speak English fairly well which is not true for my parents generation
1. Transnistria will not make any sudden moves as long as Russia doesn't reach (and manage to hold) Odesa, so not anytime soon. They're literally surrounded by Ukraine and Moldova, and they don't have the manpower or the willpower to act without any direct material assistance from the Russian Army. The oligarchs in Transnistria do have a sense of self-preservation. 2. It's crazy to put Romania into the same bucket as most of the Balkans, but maybe he just hasn't seen the latest stats.
The development of the gender differences are very easy to explain - and are in no way special to eastern Europe. It simply shows revealed preferences. If times are hard and the only way to obtain status for women are through "hard sciences" and engineering: They choose these careers once societies are wealthy enough to also educate women in these subjects. But once the society becomes richer, and the women can obtain sufficient status/wealth in other ways, they no longer do it and pursue carriers in fields they prefer - usually softer topics as mentioned.
No really. I am math person, just was born like that. We all differ. Agrre with comment above mentioning Jordan P, who explains IT very easily. We are all born different.
flat tax in Eastern Europe: that's only the "income tax", there are lots of other "contributions" (thus not "taxes" :-) ) In Romania voiceovers are banned by law. Gun rights: before like 1866 owning guns in Eastern Europe was mandated by law, not a right, it became a right in Romania in 1866 until ~1980 when the right to own guns was severely restricted and stayed that way until now.
I have no idea where this guy got the idea that any side of the political spectrum in Poland is embracing libertarianism. Konfederacja is the only party that pretends to be fiscally libertarian but they have very little support, PiS is more fiscally socialist than Bernie Sanders while socially more conservative than evangelicals in the US and PO is typical centrist neolib
Libertarianism in practice is anarchy, there's no country on Earth to embrace it fully because it would become a failed state and some populist would come and make it a dictatorship. But some countries are going a few steps in that direction, and Poland is among them. For example there's the "single person businesses as linear tax haven loophole" feature of the Polish fiscal system. Even PIS wasn't brave enough to touch it :) Then the social in Poland is surprisingly libertarian (yeah, I know - this sounds like oxymoron but hear me out). Socialist way would be to improve the public services for everybody. Instead they are letting the services fall apart while they throw money out of a helicopter and let people use them however they want. Then there's the slow but constant suburbanization and increasingly car-centric development. Poland is still fortunately an European country with decent public transport, but it remains decent in big cities and between them. In remote villages it atrophies and you have to have a car.
tbh america / west is declining, germany lost its way, and the last hope there is is eastern eu / orthodox countries that are not cushy, but forged by their struggle.
Only Bulgaria and Romania are Orthodox countries and they are also the poorest EU countries (Romania currently records the highest economic growth in the whole EU, but is still the second poorest country). Along with them, Greece is also an Orthodox country, but Greece has been in the EU for more than 50 years and all these other Eastern European countries, which are not Orthodox (they are mostly Catholic, except for the Baltic countries which are Protestant) have already overtaken it economically a long time ago.
@@boogeyman4937 you're not wrong about the decline but the US is the future no matter how you look at it, not even close, no other nation remotely close to this superpower caliber has a birthrate or wealth as stable as America. Not Russia, not China, not India - US is not in a great plac but there just is no other contender It'll be a few hard years but West EU will bounce back too I'm sure of it, I just hope what we have on the other end isn't a bunch of far right authoritarian states
@@yourenotmartin We seem to have a misunderstanding. I did not mention the USA, nor the West, which will or will not bounce back, but I tried to correct the commentator who thinks that all Eastern European countries are Orthodox and that Orthodoxy makes them...I don't know, conservative, so I guess that should be their salvation. As for what you wrote, I agree. I'm just afraid that along the way, many values on which economic well-being was based until now will collapse. If it were only up to a positive birth rate, India and Africa would be the most prosperous regions on earth, but we know that they are not. As for authoritarianism - yes, Eastern European countries are constantly dancing on the edge, but Western European countries have gone to the other extreme and voters recognize this, so it seems to me that Western Europe is in greater danger of a possible return of authoritarianism. From all this insane woke egalitarianism that got lost in its own settings, so instead of proclaimed equality it goes for a new kind of discrimination - robbing the competent to feed the incompetent, I'm afraid that people will resort to easy solutions, and that's exactly what the populist right offers. Because, unlike such a right, the other parties offer literally no solutions except the continuation of the decline of all possible social values that led to economic prosperity in the first place and did not fall from the sky, but generations and generations fought for them. And that struggle is present in the collective or, if you will, family memory of every European, especially Eastern European(every American, especially white American).
Going from Berlin to Warsaw feels like you’re going from a less developed country to a more developed one. Very interesting and I would have never predicted that.
that is just not true. but there’s definitely less refugees
@@ferologics have you done this yourself? Because I have
@@k.s.9400 yep :)
Warsaw is a modern capitalist city built from ground up after WW2. Berlin is, and always has been, a swamp, literally built on mud and sewers.
Berlin has tons of history, culture and nuance in its nooks and crannies, which surpasses Warsaw in oh so many ways.
I can see why you’d think WW seems more developed. There are virtually no immigrants there, streets are cleaner, and it’s logistically sane.
But the city feels “hollow” beyond this. Something is lacking. Berlin has this vibe, an identity that is rooted in its history, it has a heart.
Here, Warsaw is lacking, imitating the West a bit too much, trying be the next Chicago.
So on the face of it, it can feel more developed, but it depends on how you perceive it. From my POV it’s shallow and sterile, but I have high hopes for Warsaw’s ability to deepen and recoup its identity.
@@ferologics I’ve lived in Warsaw for almost a decade and have visited Berlin about 4 times. Warsaw isn’t hollow culturally, I’m just gonna guess you don’t speak a word of Polish.
@@ferologicsVibe you mentioned doesn't mean a thing. It's like personal opinion - I like potatoes more than fries, why? Because it Has better Vibe. Sure, you are free to think that
"Abolishing gender to prove our power over the universe" 🤣🤣🤣
Moral fashion... great concept.
I teach at a major uk university. It is ONLY my eastetn european students who are consistently capable of critical thinking
Not surprised at all I'm sorry to say.
Restricting movement in the Eastern European countries after decades behind Iron Curtain was absolutely not an option. Freedom is more valuable that economy.
Woah shit. Samo always dropping bombs "[College] in my opinion is a zero-sum exercise of limited utility to society." LMFAO. Please never change Samo. I'll listen to every single live players episode you ever produce.
Would love to see a standalone episode about Slovenia, presented as a perfect endgame case (canary in a goldmine?) for what EU policies achieved since 2004. Its size is perfect for a laboratory where a live player could quickly demonstrate what kind of result above that is possible. If an above-average result can’t be achieved for a city-state-sized population of 2 million within a decade (in either case), what hope and timeline is there for nations with 20 or 200 million people?
Among 3 Baltic countries it's actually Latvia not Estonia that has the biggest ethnic Russian population with the lowest assimilation rate -- and thus the biggest potential to suffer the most should Russia activate their political destabilization campaign.
But that's details, he's still _directionally_ 100% correct.
The reason why Latvia was the main target for Stalin's Russification efforts -- he tried to split the Baltic trio into half (Latvia is the middle one) and sort of "reach the Baltic sea" for the Russian Empire. Another, smaller, belt of imported Russian population is on the northern coast of Estonia -- prolly to separate it from the "evil capitalist Finland".
People don't realize how intentional the colonization is for the Empires. There's nothing accidental in it, it's perfected to almost an art form. An Empire, especially the continental one like Russia lives in the ever lastin rythm of invasions (when it's on the top of it's strength) followed by the time of "digesting" the ingested populations. Followed by a phase of invasions, followed by colonization efforts, followed by... and so forever.
Or until it's destroyed -- whichever comes first.
in general agree, but there's bit of odd inaccuracies. I will keep it limited to Poland as i'm native and i'm most familiar with.
Western Europe is subsidizing "eastern european" economies - just check how many big companies can you name from the region - entire regions' GDP in Poland is carried by Dutch, German or French companies. After 30 years there's hardly any domestic company coming from the region. Migration wise people coming back is insignificant, it's only mentioned as it's odd to see people actually coming back at all. We are ones using progressive taxation. Economically we are heavily social and state centered model (that is common in all old block i believe). From cultural points - american university type progressivism pretty much doesn't exist. That entire section from 46:00 to around 52:00 is pure delusional nonsense.
Great video, fascinating stuff but 1 thing: I'm Bulgarian and at around 40:10 mark you say smaller east eu countries don't have market big enough for dubbing - that's utterly ridiculous, in Bulgaria I despise when they dub movies cuz they do it A LOT. Not all but on major channels almost all foreign ones are dubbed. Having that said almost all native young people here including myself do speak English fairly well which is not true for my parents generation
1. Transnistria will not make any sudden moves as long as Russia doesn't reach (and manage to hold) Odesa, so not anytime soon. They're literally surrounded by Ukraine and Moldova, and they don't have the manpower or the willpower to act without any direct material assistance from the Russian Army. The oligarchs in Transnistria do have a sense of self-preservation.
2. It's crazy to put Romania into the same bucket as most of the Balkans, but maybe he just hasn't seen the latest stats.
Echoing what George Friedman has been saying for years
The development of the gender differences are very easy to explain - and are in no way special to eastern Europe. It simply shows revealed preferences.
If times are hard and the only way to obtain status for women are through "hard sciences" and engineering: They choose these careers once societies are wealthy enough to also educate women in these subjects.
But once the society becomes richer, and the women can obtain sufficient status/wealth in other ways, they no longer do it and pursue carriers in fields they prefer - usually softer topics as mentioned.
Viz Jordan Peterson and Big 5 personality test
No really. I am math person, just was born like that. We all differ. Agrre with comment above mentioning Jordan P, who explains IT very easily. We are all born different.
flat tax in Eastern Europe: that's only the "income tax", there are lots of other "contributions" (thus not "taxes" :-) )
In Romania voiceovers are banned by law.
Gun rights: before like 1866 owning guns in Eastern Europe was mandated by law, not a right, it became a right in Romania in 1866 until ~1980 when the right to own guns was severely restricted and stayed that way until now.
Didn't cover China's influence on Eastern Europe?
hungary is basically a chinese colony, tbh u can get very good chinese food in budapest :)
@@aprofromuk I look forward to visiting Budapest!
eastern EU is a sleeper
Would love to see some links to all this "truth" told by this dude. It is clear his info is lacking.
I have no idea where this guy got the idea that any side of the political spectrum in Poland is embracing libertarianism. Konfederacja is the only party that pretends to be fiscally libertarian but they have very little support, PiS is more fiscally socialist than Bernie Sanders while socially more conservative than evangelicals in the US and PO is typical centrist neolib
Libertarianism in practice is anarchy, there's no country on Earth to embrace it fully because it would become a failed state and some populist would come and make it a dictatorship. But some countries are going a few steps in that direction, and Poland is among them. For example there's the "single person businesses as linear tax haven loophole" feature of the Polish fiscal system. Even PIS wasn't brave enough to touch it :) Then the social in Poland is surprisingly libertarian (yeah, I know - this sounds like oxymoron but hear me out). Socialist way would be to improve the public services for everybody. Instead they are letting the services fall apart while they throw money out of a helicopter and let people use them however they want. Then there's the slow but constant suburbanization and increasingly car-centric development. Poland is still fortunately an European country with decent public transport, but it remains decent in big cities and between them. In remote villages it atrophies and you have to have a car.
uno swap card: russia undergoes a catharsis post-putin.
helps actual war refugees... it must be malicious intent, it's eastern europe after all
You clearly don’t know much about the Czech Republic
Erik bruh u do so many podcasts just get a good mic, was a horrendous listen every time u said anything
slovenia is not a realy country lol,
The world yearns for the return of the Soviet Union.
how dumb can you be
you're a silly hippo aren't you
tbh america / west is declining, germany lost its way, and the last hope there is is eastern eu / orthodox countries that are not cushy, but forged by their struggle.
orthodox countries are the least developed parts of Eastern Europe with absurdly high HIV, alcoholism, drug abuse and homicide stats
Only Bulgaria and Romania are Orthodox countries and they are also the poorest EU countries (Romania currently records the highest economic growth in the whole EU, but is still the second poorest country). Along with them, Greece is also an Orthodox country, but Greece has been in the EU for more than 50 years and all these other Eastern European countries, which are not Orthodox (they are mostly Catholic, except for the Baltic countries which are Protestant) have already overtaken it economically a long time ago.
it's reassuring seeing that "declining" west is still doing better in pretty much all aspect than rest of the world
@@boogeyman4937 you're not wrong about the decline but the US is the future no matter how you look at it, not even close, no other nation remotely close to this superpower caliber has a birthrate or wealth as stable as America. Not Russia, not China, not India - US is not in a great plac but there just is no other contender
It'll be a few hard years but West EU will bounce back too I'm sure of it, I just hope what we have on the other end isn't a bunch of far right authoritarian states
@@yourenotmartin We seem to have a misunderstanding. I did not mention the USA, nor the West, which will or will not bounce back, but I tried to correct the commentator who thinks that all Eastern European countries are Orthodox and that Orthodoxy makes them...I don't know, conservative, so I guess that should be their salvation.
As for what you wrote, I agree. I'm just afraid that along the way, many values on which economic well-being was based until now will collapse. If it were only up to a positive birth rate, India and Africa would be the most prosperous regions on earth, but we know that they are not.
As for authoritarianism - yes, Eastern European countries are constantly dancing on the edge, but Western European countries have gone to the other extreme and voters recognize this, so it seems to me that Western Europe is in greater danger of a possible return of authoritarianism. From all this insane woke egalitarianism that got lost in its own settings, so instead of proclaimed equality it goes for a new kind of discrimination - robbing the competent to feed the incompetent, I'm afraid that people will resort to easy solutions, and that's exactly what the populist right offers.
Because, unlike such a right, the other parties offer literally no solutions except the continuation of the decline of all possible social values that led to economic prosperity in the first place and did not fall from the sky, but generations and generations fought for them.
And that struggle is present in the collective or, if you will, family memory of every European, especially Eastern European(every American, especially white American).
The Berlin Wall wasn't to keep the people in - it was to keep the trash out. Sadly missed.