Classic Science Fiction that Doesn't Hold Your Hand

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  • @dhvandenb4208
    @dhvandenb4208 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    The Stars My Destination isn't considered a Masterpiece....it IS a Masterpiece.

    • @bookjack
      @bookjack  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      🤙

  • @Kim_Miller
    @Kim_Miller 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Modern authors who don't hold your hand.
    1. Hannu Rajaniemi. "You have hands?"
    2. Alistair Reynolds. "If I can write it like this you can read it like this."
    3. Gene Wolfe. (OK, perhaps no longer modern.) "What do you want me to do, write another book just to explain this one?"

    • @bookjack
      @bookjack  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Both Wolfe and Reynolds are on my list of authors I'd like to explore

    • @Kim_Miller
      @Kim_Miller 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@bookjackWolfe is a hard nut to crack. My pretend quote up there references a conversation he had with his publisher. The publisher said he would only publish The Citadel of the Autarch, the fourth book of Book of the New Sun, if Wolfe promised to write a sequel to explain the whole series. So Urth of the New Sun came out a few years later.

  • @haxxy40
    @haxxy40 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I'm sure Project Hail Mary along with The Martian will be considered a masterpiece 50 years from now. Maybe The Expanse series also? People also seem to like The Three Body Problem, which I did not enjoy that much. Although I haven't read them, but the Silo series seem very popular, so also this series maybe?

  • @Kim_Miller
    @Kim_Miller 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I've not read The Stars my Destination but when you put up the pic of Bester's Tiger Tiger I noticed The Demolished Man on there. Hey, I said to myself, is that the one with the mind readers? Yep says wikipedia. I read that when I was a teenager in the 60s and am a surprised that a bit of the memory is still with me.

    • @bookjack
      @bookjack  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Glad I could spark it :)

  • @civoreb
    @civoreb 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Love Silverberg. The man doesnt know how to write a bad book imo

    • @bookjack
      @bookjack  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I haven't come across one yet

    • @tamerlaaane
      @tamerlaaane 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      His early work is pretty bad. Just try The 13th Immortal (you can get it for free from Project Gutenberg), that one is awful.

  • @bartsbookspace
    @bartsbookspace 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Hyperion/Fall of Hyperion are, to me, examples of a modern SF masterpiece;
    House of Suns and Fire Upon the Deep as well.

    • @bookjack
      @bookjack  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Agree with Hyperion although I'm not sure what the cutoff date for Modern is

    • @bartsbookspace
      @bartsbookspace 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@bookjack That line is likely arbitrary, if it even exist outside this conversation lol. I think Hyperion was published in 1989, and to me it feels like a modern book in a way that SF books from the 60s and 70s do not. So, let’s “officially” set the masterpiece line at 35 years back. 🙃

    • @stevenlamb8726
      @stevenlamb8726 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I found an old omnibus copy of Hyperion Cantos at my local used bookstore the other day, an amazing find! Can’t wait to dig in.
      I read The Terror by Dan Simmons earlier this year and absolutely devoured it so I’m excited to get back into some Simmons. Carrion Comfort is on my TBR for this year as well. Cheers!

    • @bartsbookspace
      @bartsbookspace 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@stevenlamb8726 Nice find! 🙌
      I definitely want to read Terror this year.

  • @tokenblack7983
    @tokenblack7983 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Silverberg writes like butter…effortlessly delicious
    Just started Thorns…after just finishing Downward to the Earth…which was fantastic…best soft Sci Fi Author perhaps

    • @bookjack
      @bookjack  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I'm lucky to have so many of his books ahead of me

  • @PuppetMeat1
    @PuppetMeat1 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Blindsight probably has the best shot of being remembered as a modern sf masterpiece, at least among what I've read. I wasnt quite as into it as a lot of people are, but it sure gets people going which is probably the best indicator of its staying power.

    • @bookjack
      @bookjack  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It does seem to be a divisive one. Loved it personally

  • @DataDad206
    @DataDad206 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Such great book recs! Do you have a Goodreads or storygraph?

    • @bookjack
      @bookjack  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I do not. Haven't even heard of Storygraph actually 😅

  • @B0BsBooks
    @B0BsBooks 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I rarely read introductions. I have never bought a book for an introduction. I think I've maybe gone back and read the introduction after I finished the book if it was good 1% of all total books I've read in my life.

    • @bookjack
      @bookjack  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I thought I had learned my lesson after getting spoiled a few times but I guess not 😅

  • @phaedrus2633
    @phaedrus2633 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    "Dhalgren" was a book, I don't think I ever got my orientation in.

  • @Tetsujin-28
    @Tetsujin-28 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    12:03.Young Jake Paul on the cover.
    "Energy Vampire". Sounds like a Gen Z diet sparkling water.
    We All Died at Breakaway Station (Richard C. Meredith). Masterpiece.

    • @bookjack
      @bookjack  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Lol so true

  • @cojaysea
    @cojaysea 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I remember reading in one of Isaac Asimovs books that he said Alfred Bester was a much better writer than he was . But of course no where near as prolific .

    • @bookjack
      @bookjack  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I'll agree with that. Asimov has mind-blowing ideas but the delivery is usually dull

  • @brettrobson5739
    @brettrobson5739 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Smith (Linebarger) is a genius. Just sayin, is all.

  • @stevenlamb8726
    @stevenlamb8726 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Me being obsessed with 90 Day Fiancé….am I an energy vampire??

    • @bookjack
      @bookjack  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Maybe just the subject of one? It's definitely a grey area when filtered through a screen

  • @FrankOdonnell-ej3hd
    @FrankOdonnell-ej3hd 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    you're right bester is of one of those fifties authors I think of as being stodgy (does he really have a character named jizz? omg!) but still might read stars my destination if I can get a shiny modern edition. Silverberg's dying inside is on my bucket list cause I keep hearing it described as a dark classic also totally agree the martian is NOT a classic and a canticle for liebowitz is. As for kant use/be used I made a firm decision never to read him after I found out he not only died a virgin but argued masturbation is worse than suicide haha. As for a book in the last two decades I'd call a classic I can't think of a SINGLE one now but if I do I'll get back to you⚛😀

    • @bookjack
      @bookjack  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Didn't know that about Kant 😅 Interesting take. And Dying Inside is next up for me too whenever I come back to Silverberg

  • @BobCanRead
    @BobCanRead 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I think you're being too stingy with the term "masterpiece"! Or maybe I'm just too liberal with it. 🤷‍♂🤣

    • @bookjack
      @bookjack  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Probably both 😅

  • @phaedrus2633
    @phaedrus2633 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I just didn't care for that type of really pulpy science fiction such as "The Stars My Destination" . And, I don't like the totally cerebral sci-fi like "Roadside Park". Something in the middle is my best kind of sci-fi. Yeah, Gully is a very flat character, and the ending quite non sequitur.

    • @bookjack
      @bookjack  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The ending is totally bizarre which I like but jarring when it's not leaned into it. I definitely lean towards the more cerebral but navel-gazing can get pretty dull

  • @ifihadfriends437
    @ifihadfriends437 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I've read A Time of Changes and Downward to the Earth. While he is a geat writer, his portrayal of women in both of these was lacking.

    • @bookjack
      @bookjack  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      True enough. Thorns wasn't too egregious on that front at least

    • @tokenblack7983
      @tokenblack7983 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes yes why didn’t he write the book I would have written…🙄…just get over it and enjoy the fiction