Bruuuh, there is with out a doubt something fucking fishy here, & dude admitted that he's broke AF, so he honestly has incentive too screw gamers over how sad. Bunch of scammers even if it did release wtf would I want to play a game I could make myself in 2-3 hours or. I could make the same looking game... gurenteed, & I could gurentee that it would look wat better than these stupid stock assets! Yea their arrogance were extremely unsettling.
Rockstar + Valve + Bethesda + All 3 CoD Dev Studios (Treyarch, Sledgehammer, Infinity Ward) + CDProjekt red + DICE + Ubisoft: "We can't do this its to hard Business Analysts: "You'll be able to put 400% more microtransactions than you can in RPG games" Game Devs: "Done"
They literally just described a typical generic survival game.. The only thing really "ambitious" about it, is that they think they can get millions of players
conman always know how to use big word and say it in confident to trick people to buy they product even if that product is just something really normal.
inb4 they take the money and run and then say BigFry is to blame for scaring away all their potential investors and shattering the one true dream game.
@@GigabearPanda he looks back And tries them again a few years later or when it's out And Gives them the opportunity Most the time he's Right 😂 I do believe there's 1 or 2 videos where he gives credit were credits due
@@GigabearPanda I really don't think this project will go well. I'm a software developer myself and though I have not ventured into the video game industry, I do know a thing or two about how software gets made. First of all, the premise of this game screams unobtainable expectations. The idea of a game that offers virtually every genre is not too far fetched if you consider games like Garry's Mod or Roblox that act more as 'platforms' for other people's creations than actual games themselves. But the idea of a game that is "the last game you'll ever play" is so far fetched and, quite frankly, more akin to hype-bait that I have to assume that these developers are looking for a quick payday. For a game to be the "last game you'll ever play", it has to have the RPG elements of an Elder Scrolls game. The modern satirical open world of a GTA game. The fast-paced adrenaline rush of a Call of Duty game. The tension of a Battle Royale game. The strategy of a Civilization game. You get the idea. To claim that a single game will be the "last game you'll ever play" should throw red flags off the wazoo because it's more believable that the game keeps its promise by killing each and every person who plays it than the developers actually delivering anything close to revolutionary. Second, ignoring the massively overinflated promises, the development team is unbelievably small. Let's take a roll call. Developer? here. Marketer? here. Rest of the team? absent. I'm all for small team projects, but only if the team acknowledges that it is small and adjusts it's feature load accordingly. Phasmophobia was created by one developer over the course of like 8 months. Most of the art in the game is assets. Small teams can certainly work. But Phasmophobia is a relatively simple level-based game. Not a massive open world promising a million players. It doesnt matter if one of the developers considers himself a genius. He could be the best developer on the planet and it wouldn't change much. It's simply too much work and not enough people. Third, well, its time for the lightening round. The idea that there is no art team in sight and the developers are insistent on using only store assets is a huge red flag as the lack of a dedicated artist severely limits the ability for the game to add new worlds, locations, items, etc. The fact that the game plans to release in just a few months is not a good sign. Once it releases, the bug requests will start to pour in and with a team that small, they will clog up any new development. The developers will lose motivation and this game will not get past alpha. The promise of "a million players" on one server because they've discovered something that's not been done before (some magic involving enums and P2P) is very unlikely. If it were true, they could just patent the method and become millionares that way. Yet they've instead decided to make this game. I don't buy it. Plus, the explanation for how their method works seems like BS. In a year, if this game has taken off and become the revolutionary icon that it promises to be, feel free to comment below this and say you told me so, but I really do not think I'll be receiving that comment.
@@GigabearPanda Thank you for the comment. I am still very pessimistic about the project but you have cleared a few things up. I was originally under the impression that the developers were planning to use exclusively assets bought from the store. Hearing that this is only a step in the process does bring me some hope. On a similar note, a single world hosting millions of players does sound more feasible if they are very far from each other and not interacting with each other 99% of the time. But like you said, this would probably break whenever players group together for whatever reason. My chief concern still exists though and that is scope. This game advertises itself as the game to end all games, or as they put it "the last game you'll ever play." By setting the bar so high, this game distances itself from other games that were developed by small teams. You mentioned Valheim and No Man's Sky as examples of successful games developed by small teams. Both of these games have a clear definition, and a clear scope. Valheim is an exploration survival game. No Man's Sky is also an exploration game with base building and combat elements. Dreamworld on the other hand is... well it's not easy to describe at all because the scope is simply *everything*. How can one team pull off everything? I suppose only time will tell with this game. One of our comments will age rather poorly in a year or two. I hope it's mine for your sake and the sake of the 2 grand you've invested in this project. All my life I've wanted an "everything" game, but we're just not there yet. Beautiful and engaging open worlds full of things to do take time, money, and a whole lotta manpower. The "everything" game will be possible one day, but I suspect it won't be until advances in AI diminish the importance of manpower in the equation.
According to the interview, most of it the game happens client-side, and multiplayer revolves around sending "as little data as possible" with the server. ... so imagine millions of hackers on a server.
I love how the showcase the snow/mud deplacement(by the players feet) which is actually a very cheap ue4 marketplace asset that also looks like crap. Imagine digging holes in the ground when you walk on it. With a quick search I found an asset called Infinity Weather which does it better than they did in the video, thought 120$ might be too expensive for them so they went with the worse versions of it lmao
Or they made it themselves with Runtime Virtual Textures. Which is what I do usually but it does look crappy because they haven't adjusted triggers to the feet and only have a big circle around them that digs the snow, making it look wanky
@@viktorianas a mmo that’s a combination of every type of game with millions of players all on one map? How could there not be any griefing. I think the amount of your stupidity is beyond belief
@@viktorianas Have you ever even seen a server like 2b2t? This is a game on p2p networking and you expect any kind of grief protection?? Good f-ing luck. You'll get 1 Safe zone if it ever gets made and everything past spawn will be a desolate hole.
Majority client-side... "sending as little data as possible..." Even if they're legitimately trying to fulfill their claims, it's an MMO that's structurally unable to enforce anti-cheat systems.
Ugh, why did I even start watching this video… Maybe I'm completely off, but actually knowing what an "enum" is-a named list of constant values-makes watching this even harder. I mean sending enums over a network so the game performs better than all the other games? What? That's wrong on so many levels and doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Any first year CS student should know. You only transmit values-so the value of an enum member at best-and that's basically what every other game does, too. Not even sure I should continue watching once he starts talking about parallel dimensions updating slowly over time, because this doesn't sound like a connected world with millions (or even just hundreds) of players, it sounds like a session based approach (think Destiny or Warframe). Also look forward to glitches and item dupes thanks to "slow syncrhonization". Believe me, knowing a bit about programming makes watching stuff like this way worse… you can't even laugh about it, because there are always enough people with more than enough money believing in it… I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. Maybe this could become the next big thing, but from that "presentation" alone I have some serious doubts.
I'm sorry for being the first I donated as a joke to say first in comments for a random indie game without watching. I then did and thought it was laughably bad and am still baffled as to how this got funded (I just gave a dollar)
As an indie dev myself there is no way this will happen there is far too much involved with creating an mmo on this scale for 2 people to handle if I'm proven wrong I will stand up first and salute but been in the industry far to long
Send as little as possible over the network?!? Use enums?!? It seems so obvious now. Hard to believe no other game developer hasn't thought of this before. This will revolutionize everything!!
It seems like that guy thought other networked games sent all the graphics, sound etc. through the network. :) He hasn't wondered why the file size of any MMO or other type of networked game is so large on the client-side, has he? Have they even played games before? :)
He worked at Facebook, Google, and Apple .. at the same time? Because that's what he made it sound like, lol. These companies make it pretty hard to jump ship, working for all 3 at the same time would be pretty difficult. Also, not really showing confidence when a lot of what their trailer is showing off is stock Unreal 4 tutorial assets.
They have apparently missed quite many game genres if their goal is to encompass every genre into one game. Where is the grand strategy, the visual novel, the puzzle, the RTS, the racing game, the management simulation, the sidescrolling beat 'em up?
I don't understand how anyone can defend this when full game isn't even a backer reward. These guys have zero intentions to actually make a game. All they're doing is tossing out one alpha or beta using nothing but store bought assets they were showing off and then run away with the money.
Sounds like two dudes who have never played video games before got together and just started saying stuff. They have no idea what they are talking about.
I wrote that on another video about this scam as well: --- This peer to peer, no central server thing, they claim could host millions of players is nonsense. The speed of light is really fast, and the Earth isn't all too big from a lightbeam's perspective, but when a system has to zip this lightbeam back and forth literally several million times within fractions of a second to update everyone in the game world, then this can't be real-time. There will a phenomenon kick in known as "light lag". To update a million people at the same time without a central node but via p2p on a planet with a circumference of over 40.000 km and a diameter of over 12.000 km? Yeah, that would require an alcubierre style of faster than light spacial warpfield to make that happen (and for all we know, the alcubierre warpfield metric is in violation of the known laws of physics). We're talking about decaseconds of lag time - not milliseconds. So, this p2p hosting of millions of people sequentially will never be possible in real time on Earth; not even in a hundred years, when technology might be supercheap to host millions of people in one gameworld. It's quite literally physically impossible to make a realtime MMORPG this way. You need a central server for that, and even then: A million players on one server would be a technological nightmare to manage. ---
Be very cautious of anyone who constantly uses the word "leverage" as a verb. Not that I have a lot of experience in the IT field, but in my humble experience it's the mark of someone who's in sales first and foremost. In this case, the use of emotional language screams "all sizzle no steak" to me.
Yeah, remember that the "con" part of a con refers to confidence -- when you have likeable guys who make everything sound great but don't have any actual things to show, hide your wallet. "I don't know, I just feel like I can trust this guy" = famous last words of every mark ever.
Lol as for the networking side, basically they're going to implenent a fake multiplayer with random npcs doing stuffs with player skins. There's no way any developer in their right mind would use a peer to peer connection for world consistency
14:42 I sure don't feel bad for him. This was a time when billions of much poorer people lost their jobs, and others were straightup dying from the pandemic. If this guy acts all weepy in the trailer, like he expects the world to pity him just for losing a cushy job and his gf while he still enjoyed a very privileged life, it's a screw-you to the people who *really* suffered at that time.
I just realized that, essentially, their "algorithm" is to remove years of study in server validation which used for security and to have less hackers in MMO. In theory, yes, they'd load much more people. In practice, 99% of those are bots and hackers.
enum value? what, that's not how it works, did they ever program? A static object has no scripts except their matrix converted to 3 vectors, size, rotation and scale, additionally to that a collider...and maybe a rigidbody.... you can not improve it any further, except using a more simple collision type, fewer vertices and a basic shader. I won't even get started with peer to peer conection.... They searched online for some fancy terms and decided, "hey this sounds techi, let's scam some clueless people". Reminds me of those movie scenes with hacker using random, unrelated programmer jargon. oh and subscribed, this content is gold
For Rockstar it took from 2010 to 2018 to create Red Dead Redemption 2. The estimated amount of people worked on RDR2, voice actors, etc included is around 4300+ people. World of Warcraft took roughly 5 years to create. The vanila, first release. And these guys want the world to believe that 3 of them can pull off something that the combined dev teams of all the MMO in existance wouldn't be able to do, not even on paper. ANd people fall for this. I am speachless. Millions of people on one servers? Their own trailer drops to 5 -10 fps just when they shown the fireworks in the city!
red flags right off the bat, 1) 'you can do literally anything' 2) that horrid logo that looks like it was made in microsoft word 3) When the studio and the game they are making have the same name.
4:30 To the guy that worked at Facebook, Google and Apple, that's called peer-to-peer (p2p), it's a 20 year oldish technology and it doesn't work for what they want to do for a lot of reasons, like: latency, drops, cheaters, synchronization, server-validation, client-balancing problems (the slowest client will slow down all the others), even firewalls and antiviruses could be a problem; also if they want to do a hybrid system with a server-side/p2p model the balancing is really complex, the server will use a frequency, wtf do you do on the clients?. The lack of perspective of these two is simply astonishing.
Oh and: The video they showed is stitched together from the demonstation videos of the game assets they bought to make this kickstarter campaign. So, there is no procedural world generated. What we see in their video is just the snippets taken from the creators of the game assets. Also, the pirate cove is the standard demo-level of one of the asset bundles they bought. They literally did nothing on their own. All of this is a lie, a mirage, a scam - like you said. It's a criminal enterprise at work here in my opinion, and a lot of people just lost their money... and Kickstarter helped to lose them their money (and profitted off of it too, because it was not a lack of complains from the community that it still was up and running as a kickstarter campaign). Nobody can trust a Kickstarter anymore.
The explanation of them running multiplayer servers through individual clients made no sense and just made me think of how easily people can exploit the crap out of this game if that is the case😂
I'm an actual developer working an an ambitious project. Devs like this are scaring me from trying to reach out for funding due to all the scams out there. I hate these people
That game looked like a scam to me first view ... Firts of all .. Player model is UE4 default and all the rest was bought / free assets ... + 2 people making it ? i mean this screamed failure or scam 100% Oneother rad flag was that the artstyle was mixed so badly .... I mean ... Its clear that they have made nothing... On top of it ... i mean how are they wanna sharing worlds ? its UE4 .. a map is several gb in data. As i said this screamed scam so much
I'd like to see what actually happens once all those players running towards that big monster get close to him. Is there even combat? I didn't see any, are we supposed to run up and examine this thing then go home? I feel bad for the 7 people who pledged $1,999.
I think the problem with using marketplace assets is that people use them as an excuse to not do the core game work themselves. I have nothing against buying textures, models or shaders IF they fit the game or are being modified to fit the game and the core of the game is still unique and made by the devs themselves. This becomes an issue when people just buy ready made levels or whole game features with scripts and everything and just ditch them together. If someone would use valves network API for the networking, it wouldn't be a problem because the networking is not the game itself, it's just a tool. But when they just throw a complete FPS game kit in there, the core of the game is something other people made and therefore does not even fully fit the needs and ideas of the games developers.
all that gameplay is just flipped assets. These guys made that in a week. That dude didn't work at Facebook Google or Apple, these guys don't have the tech to support millions of players. Such an obvious scam it's sad anyone fell for it
With Chronicles of Elyria and Star Citizen getting away with it, other scammers think they don't need to try anymore. I can't understand what people see in a kickstarter with a mess of an art style and no coherency?
Their judgment day will come, eventually I dont understand this either and this one is particularly jarring because they want to make something not even AAA studios could touch and they have a shoe string budget, no experience and non existing manpower. And their claims are full of shit from top to bottom, only retards would back this up who have no ideas about the limitation of technology. Hell, i am sure not even with Quantum computers there could be like a hundred thousand players on one server.
Lol i was backing this. Time to cancel. The thing is i saw this as some guys trying to accomplish their dream. I didn't really think about this until you pointed out just how ridiculous this is.
4:29 GTA V does pretty much that, and it's a laggy disaster full of hackers. No way they can use that """UNIQUE DISCOVERY""" to support millions of players.
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Bruuuh, there is with out a doubt something fucking fishy here, & dude admitted that he's broke AF, so he honestly has incentive too screw gamers over how sad. Bunch of scammers even if it did release wtf would I want to play a game I could make myself in 2-3 hours or. I could make the same looking game... gurenteed, & I could gurentee that it would look wat better than these stupid stock assets! Yea their arrogance were extremely unsettling.
big fry you should review starbase
Rockstar + Valve + Bethesda + All 3 CoD Dev Studios (Treyarch, Sledgehammer, Infinity Ward) + CDProjekt red + DICE + Ubisoft: "We can't do this its to hard
Business Analysts: "You'll be able to put 400% more microtransactions than you can in RPG games"
Game Devs: "Done"
the part where he says his fiance left him makes me so unbeleivably uncomfortable.
I'm leading a team of 2 developers making a hero pvp game and $60K would be a dream for our project. Sad that these scams get this backing.
They literally just described a typical generic survival game.. The only thing really "ambitious" about it, is that they think they can get millions of players
conman always know how to use big word and say it in confident to trick people to buy they product even if that product is just something really normal.
If they aren’t writing their own engine. Then they certainly can’t do the rest of what they say they can do.
They're certainly not writing their own engine. They didn't even make shovel textures.
@@adrianks47 lmao the character is the UE4 third person blueprint default there's 0 effort
Just a bunch of frankensteined assets put together. Passion comes with pride to your craft, this is caca.
@@adrianks47 can't make textures if your "team" does not have any 3D artists in it.
inb4 they take the money and run and then say BigFry is to blame for scaring away all their potential investors and shattering the one true dream game.
Too late, he already killed all the morale
@@GigabearPanda he looks back And tries them again a few years later or when it's out And Gives them the opportunity Most the time he's Right 😂 I do believe there's 1 or 2 videos where he gives credit were credits due
@@GigabearPanda good luck 👍 it could pay of
@@GigabearPanda I really don't think this project will go well. I'm a software developer myself and though I have not ventured into the video game industry, I do know a thing or two about how software gets made.
First of all, the premise of this game screams unobtainable expectations. The idea of a game that offers virtually every genre is not too far fetched if you consider games like Garry's Mod or Roblox that act more as 'platforms' for other people's creations than actual games themselves. But the idea of a game that is "the last game you'll ever play" is so far fetched and, quite frankly, more akin to hype-bait that I have to assume that these developers are looking for a quick payday. For a game to be the "last game you'll ever play", it has to have the RPG elements of an Elder Scrolls game. The modern satirical open world of a GTA game. The fast-paced adrenaline rush of a Call of Duty game. The tension of a Battle Royale game. The strategy of a Civilization game. You get the idea. To claim that a single game will be the "last game you'll ever play" should throw red flags off the wazoo because it's more believable that the game keeps its promise by killing each and every person who plays it than the developers actually delivering anything close to revolutionary.
Second, ignoring the massively overinflated promises, the development team is unbelievably small. Let's take a roll call. Developer? here. Marketer? here. Rest of the team? absent. I'm all for small team projects, but only if the team acknowledges that it is small and adjusts it's feature load accordingly. Phasmophobia was created by one developer over the course of like 8 months. Most of the art in the game is assets. Small teams can certainly work. But Phasmophobia is a relatively simple level-based game. Not a massive open world promising a million players. It doesnt matter if one of the developers considers himself a genius. He could be the best developer on the planet and it wouldn't change much. It's simply too much work and not enough people.
Third, well, its time for the lightening round.
The idea that there is no art team in sight and the developers are insistent on using only store assets is a huge red flag as the lack of a dedicated artist severely limits the ability for the game to add new worlds, locations, items, etc.
The fact that the game plans to release in just a few months is not a good sign. Once it releases, the bug requests will start to pour in and with a team that small, they will clog up any new development. The developers will lose motivation and this game will not get past alpha.
The promise of "a million players" on one server because they've discovered something that's not been done before (some magic involving enums and P2P) is very unlikely. If it were true, they could just patent the method and become millionares that way. Yet they've instead decided to make this game. I don't buy it. Plus, the explanation for how their method works seems like BS.
In a year, if this game has taken off and become the revolutionary icon that it promises to be, feel free to comment below this and say you told me so, but I really do not think I'll be receiving that comment.
@@GigabearPanda Thank you for the comment. I am still very pessimistic about the project but you have cleared a few things up. I was originally under the impression that the developers were planning to use exclusively assets bought from the store. Hearing that this is only a step in the process does bring me some hope. On a similar note, a single world hosting millions of players does sound more feasible if they are very far from each other and not interacting with each other 99% of the time. But like you said, this would probably break whenever players group together for whatever reason.
My chief concern still exists though and that is scope. This game advertises itself as the game to end all games, or as they put it "the last game you'll ever play." By setting the bar so high, this game distances itself from other games that were developed by small teams. You mentioned Valheim and No Man's Sky as examples of successful games developed by small teams. Both of these games have a clear definition, and a clear scope. Valheim is an exploration survival game. No Man's Sky is also an exploration game with base building and combat elements. Dreamworld on the other hand is... well it's not easy to describe at all because the scope is simply *everything*. How can one team pull off everything?
I suppose only time will tell with this game. One of our comments will age rather poorly in a year or two. I hope it's mine for your sake and the sake of the 2 grand you've invested in this project. All my life I've wanted an "everything" game, but we're just not there yet. Beautiful and engaging open worlds full of things to do take time, money, and a whole lotta manpower. The "everything" game will be possible one day, but I suspect it won't be until advances in AI diminish the importance of manpower in the equation.
The art style is so inconsistent I kept on trying to figure out what gameplay trailers they stole...
That's what you get when you want "every style".
Looks like basic asset flip nonsense some relatively smart can make after a week of messing around with Unity3d and a some video editing basics.
The pirate one is sea of thieves.
@@greyseerfrikerf8310 it's actually a pirate set on epic games market place
Most footage is market place asset trailers
I want to see what the server that can allow millions of players looks like
Would probably melt faster than a bitcoin server farm.
1fps
According to the interview, most of it the game happens client-side, and multiplayer revolves around sending "as little data as possible" with the server.
... so imagine millions of hackers on a server.
@@lendrigangames, it's going to be a hack-fest if they get anything off the ground.
There wont be servers because itll be peer to peer sloppy experience and itll make every users pc melt and burn
Scam this, scam that, bro forget about that and kiss me dude.
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@@sciolifilms Nah nah...let him do it..
I'm Down
@Loa Johannese Who says he is gae?
@@uli.s Who said I was gae?
Alpha trailer basically: My wife left me and i was poor. Gimme money
I can see why she left. Good for her.
Well, business is booming?
@@oliver_twistor Lol... she even goes over it on her own channel.
@@KirstenMarie_MS3 link?
I love how the showcase the snow/mud deplacement(by the players feet) which is actually a very cheap ue4 marketplace asset that also looks like crap. Imagine digging holes in the ground when you walk on it. With a quick search I found an asset called Infinity Weather which does it better than they did in the video, thought 120$ might be too expensive for them so they went with the worse versions of it lmao
Or they made it themselves with Runtime Virtual Textures. Which is what I do usually but it does look crappy because they haven't adjusted triggers to the feet and only have a big circle around them that digs the snow, making it look wanky
@@AcidAlfa They could have but I made my point based on what they said on their livestream. Who knows..
@@LinarasTHC Maybe 🤷♂️. It still looks wanky either way
Should be doing it with Custom Depth and Render Targets for perfect mesh-accuracy! Haha
@@PrismaticaDev Hello there, didn't expect 2 TH-camrs I watch being here
They were so lazy, they used the generic UE4 Mannequin... Wow. The dude making the trailer looks like he was High AF.
I think it's worse than that. They just don't know how to copy the animations from the ue guy onto other models.
The amount of griefing there would be if they were actually able to create this game would be insane
The amount of your stupidity is beyond belief.
@@viktorianas woah salty boy! watch out, he's an epic roaster!
@@viktorianas seems like ur the dumbass here
@@viktorianas a mmo that’s a combination of every type of game with millions of players all on one map? How could there not be any griefing. I think the amount of your stupidity is beyond belief
@@viktorianas Have you ever even seen a server like 2b2t? This is a game on p2p networking and you expect any kind of grief protection?? Good f-ing luck. You'll get 1 Safe zone if it ever gets made and everything past spawn will be a desolate hole.
that dude said a lot but nothing at all. lol
talking in circles without actually going anywhere is the specialty of bullshitters and conmen
@@ram89572Ain't that the truth brotha.
his face when he said "and I left to come join dreamworld" was like he was scripted to say that. RIP his career
"Don't reinvent the wheel" "Let's make a game that kills all other games"
Ah yes ofc. Just fiddle with the enums and put the booleans into overdrive ofc! If anyone actually supported this then you cant help them anymore :)
It's peer-to-peer, but we're gonna need a _bitchin'_ server.
Majority client-side... "sending as little data as possible..."
Even if they're legitimately trying to fulfill their claims, it's an MMO that's structurally unable to enforce anti-cheat systems.
Ugh, why did I even start watching this video… Maybe I'm completely off, but actually knowing what an "enum" is-a named list of constant values-makes watching this even harder. I mean sending enums over a network so the game performs better than all the other games? What? That's wrong on so many levels and doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Any first year CS student should know. You only transmit values-so the value of an enum member at best-and that's basically what every other game does, too. Not even sure I should continue watching once he starts talking about parallel dimensions updating slowly over time, because this doesn't sound like a connected world with millions (or even just hundreds) of players, it sounds like a session based approach (think Destiny or Warframe). Also look forward to glitches and item dupes thanks to "slow syncrhonization". Believe me, knowing a bit about programming makes watching stuff like this way worse… you can't even laugh about it, because there are always enough people with more than enough money believing in it… I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. Maybe this could become the next big thing, but from that "presentation" alone I have some serious doubts.
After being fooled so many times I'm not even surprised something like this already has backers
"There's a sucker born every minute," as the saying goes.
I'm sorry for being the first I donated as a joke to say first in comments for a random indie game without watching. I then did and thought it was laughably bad and am still baffled as to how this got funded (I just gave a dollar)
@@ultraprincesskenny6790 I think we can forgive you for spending $1 on a troll. ;)
@@ultraprincesskenny6790 *I'm
@@rwentfordable ?
As an indie dev myself there is no way this will happen there is far too much involved with creating an mmo on this scale for 2 people to handle if I'm proven wrong I will stand up first and salute but been in the industry far to long
Send as little as possible over the network?!?
Use enums?!?
It seems so obvious now. Hard to believe no other game developer hasn't thought of this before. This will revolutionize everything!!
Right? I have never heard about anyone who uses enums, they must be up to something!
It seems like that guy thought other networked games sent all the graphics, sound etc. through the network. :) He hasn't wondered why the file size of any MMO or other type of networked game is so large on the client-side, has he? Have they even played games before? :)
He worked at Facebook, Google, and Apple .. at the same time? Because that's what he made it sound like, lol. These companies make it pretty hard to jump ship, working for all 3 at the same time would be pretty difficult.
Also, not really showing confidence when a lot of what their trailer is showing off is stock Unreal 4 tutorial assets.
That's cause you don't dream enough bud 🌈
They have apparently missed quite many game genres if their goal is to encompass every genre into one game. Where is the grand strategy, the visual novel, the puzzle, the RTS, the racing game, the management simulation, the sidescrolling beat 'em up?
Damn man. I don't really agree with your takes sometimes but this is spot on. I mean the default UE4 character? Cmon.
Like how it says every genre but there won't be milsim
Watching this makes me thinking of starting my own kick starter for easy money, people are apparently sheeeeps more than i thought so
cant wait to see the optimization
cant see something that doesn't exist
Oh damn the ex fiancé responded to his sob story! Just type Dreamworld, it’ll pop up.
I don't understand how anyone can defend this when full game isn't even a backer reward. These guys have zero intentions to actually make a game. All they're doing is tossing out one alpha or beta using nothing but store bought assets they were showing off and then run away with the money.
If this ends up coming out, I could see it being the next Second Life, where a bunch of weirdos hang out and get trolled on a regular basis.
First thing I thought of was also second life, why play this when I could just play second life, it is just second life but with more step.
9:30 The axe with the stone texture applied! hahaha
Sounds like two dudes who have never played video games before got together and just started saying stuff. They have no idea what they are talking about.
holy ENUM
I wrote that on another video about this scam as well:
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This peer to peer, no central server thing, they claim could host millions of players is nonsense. The speed of light is really fast, and the Earth isn't all too big from a lightbeam's perspective, but when a system has to zip this lightbeam back and forth literally several million times within fractions of a second to update everyone in the game world, then this can't be real-time. There will a phenomenon kick in known as "light lag". To update a million people at the same time without a central node but via p2p on a planet with a circumference of over 40.000 km and a diameter of over 12.000 km? Yeah, that would require an alcubierre style of faster than light spacial warpfield to make that happen (and for all we know, the alcubierre warpfield metric is in violation of the known laws of physics). We're talking about decaseconds of lag time - not milliseconds.
So, this p2p hosting of millions of people sequentially will never be possible in real time on Earth; not even in a hundred years, when technology might be supercheap to host millions of people in one gameworld. It's quite literally physically impossible to make a realtime MMORPG this way. You need a central server for that, and even then: A million players on one server would be a technological nightmare to manage.
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they really wanna compete with star citizen to become the most ambitious game that will never get finished, huh.
"You see that tree? Go cut it down. You see that mountain? Go level it? YOU WANT TO DIG SOME DIRT? GO DIG IT!"
Bruh
Sounds like they want to build something like a roblox but not roblox haha
Core does that but significantly better than this game.
More like the largest multiplayer lawsuit
c'mon, the game is literally called DREAM world, the whole game is a DREAM
Oh my god, they didn't even replace the default character model.
Lol I never seen someone pull the sympathy card in a trailer
Be very cautious of anyone who constantly uses the word "leverage" as a verb. Not that I have a lot of experience in the IT field, but in my humble experience it's the mark of someone who's in sales first and foremost.
In this case, the use of emotional language screams "all sizzle no steak" to me.
Yeah, remember that the "con" part of a con refers to confidence -- when you have likeable guys who make everything sound great but don't have any actual things to show, hide your wallet.
"I don't know, I just feel like I can trust this guy" = famous last words of every mark ever.
Lol as for the networking side, basically they're going to implenent a fake multiplayer with random npcs doing stuffs with player skins. There's no way any developer in their right mind would use a peer to peer connection for world consistency
14:42 I sure don't feel bad for him. This was a time when billions of much poorer people lost their jobs, and others were straightup dying from the pandemic. If this guy acts all weepy in the trailer, like he expects the world to pity him just for losing a cushy job and his gf while he still enjoyed a very privileged life, it's a screw-you to the people who *really* suffered at that time.
4:15 Downloaded assets flipping...is that technically an asset flip flip?
That server bullshit is a cheater's paradise. No server validation means you can do ANYTHING.
"Silicon Valley Rejects" Oh Dude you're brutal :D hahahaha
The zoom-in when his partner was explaining enum was foking BRILLIANT!
I just realized that, essentially, their "algorithm" is to remove years of study in server validation which used for security and to have less hackers in MMO.
In theory, yes, they'd load much more people. In practice, 99% of those are bots and hackers.
*"Dreamworld is gonna be the biggest multiplayer game ever" that nobody is gonna play*
It's always sketchy when a Kickstarter gets a ton of big donations at the start, then as it picks up traction those ppl refund as more ppl donate.
I love the slow pan on the guy on the right XD
The trailer looks like a mashup of unrelated free assets
enum value? what, that's not how it works, did they ever program? A static object has no scripts except their matrix converted to 3 vectors, size, rotation and scale, additionally to that a collider...and maybe a rigidbody.... you can not improve it any further, except using a more simple collision type, fewer vertices and a basic shader. I won't even get started with peer to peer conection.... They searched online for some fancy terms and decided, "hey this sounds techi, let's scam some clueless people". Reminds me of those movie scenes with hacker using random, unrelated programmer jargon.
oh and subscribed, this content is gold
Take a shot every time my guy nods and smiles
For Rockstar it took from 2010 to 2018 to create Red Dead Redemption 2. The estimated amount of people worked on RDR2, voice actors, etc included is around 4300+ people. World of Warcraft took roughly 5 years to create. The vanila, first release.
And these guys want the world to believe that 3 of them can pull off something that the combined dev teams of all the MMO in existance wouldn't be able to do, not even on paper.
ANd people fall for this.
I am speachless.
Millions of people on one servers? Their own trailer drops to 5 -10 fps just when they shown the fireworks in the city!
4:27 Messi of video game development totally approves that P2P network infrastructure thingy.
red flags right off the bat, 1) 'you can do literally anything' 2) that horrid logo that looks like it was made in microsoft word 3) When the studio and the game they are making have the same name.
10 gifted didn't go to waste - no cap 😂 Awesome review my dude 👍
4:30 To the guy that worked at Facebook, Google and Apple, that's called peer-to-peer (p2p), it's a 20 year oldish technology and it doesn't work for what they want to do for a lot of reasons, like: latency, drops, cheaters, synchronization, server-validation, client-balancing problems (the slowest client will slow down all the others), even firewalls and antiviruses could be a problem; also if they want to do a hybrid system with a server-side/p2p model the balancing is really complex, the server will use a frequency, wtf do you do on the clients?. The lack of perspective of these two is simply astonishing.
Broo "broke Tony Stark" 😂😂😂
KiraTV did a great piece on this too. Definitely takes it a step further on breaking down this scam including some ex-girlfriend insight.
Oh and: The video they showed is stitched together from the demonstation videos of the game assets they bought to make this kickstarter campaign. So, there is no procedural world generated. What we see in their video is just the snippets taken from the creators of the game assets. Also, the pirate cove is the standard demo-level of one of the asset bundles they bought. They literally did nothing on their own. All of this is a lie, a mirage, a scam - like you said. It's a criminal enterprise at work here in my opinion, and a lot of people just lost their money... and Kickstarter helped to lose them their money (and profitted off of it too, because it was not a lack of complains from the community that it still was up and running as a kickstarter campaign). Nobody can trust a Kickstarter anymore.
I love it when he does the subscriber voice... "but big fry" 😂🤣
why the hell do people give money to scams like this... it's clearly bullshit
If everything is client sided it will be cheater city way way worse than any other game. They may have the most cheated on game in history at least.
It will legit be Minecraft bedrock realms.
That guys face slow zoom effect... Oh man like love u bro!
It’s the 0% technical knowledge from the Facebook/Google/Apple employee for me
The explanation of them running multiplayer servers through individual clients made no sense and just made me think of how easily people can exploit the crap out of this game if that is the case😂
That marketing guy looks like he was built in the same factory than Mark Zuckerberg, but it is an updated version that looks slightly more human.
I'm an actual developer working an an ambitious project. Devs like this are scaring me from trying to reach out for funding due to all the scams out there. I hate these people
This is the plot line to a 2010s comedy film.
They used the UE4 base model for the character lmao
7:40 he just said that oops
That zoom was gold
That game looked like a scam to me first view ... Firts of all .. Player model is UE4 default and all the rest was bought / free assets ... + 2 people making it ? i mean this screamed failure or scam 100%
Oneother rad flag was that the artstyle was mixed so badly .... I mean ... Its clear that they have made nothing...
On top of it ... i mean how are they wanna sharing worlds ? its UE4 .. a map is several gb in data.
As i said this screamed scam so much
@BigfryTV Thank you for warning people about this!
Dream world is being pragrammed in a parallel dimension by a 4 year old with 9billion iq...in a dream. This is deff going to come into reality
I'd like to see what actually happens once all those players running towards that big monster get close to him. Is there even combat? I didn't see any, are we supposed to run up and examine this thing then go home? I feel bad for the 7 people who pledged $1,999.
When I was a kid I wanted to make my own Spiderman cartoon 😄
We've all dreamt. Then we grew up.
I think the problem with using marketplace assets is that people use them as an excuse to not do the core game work themselves. I have nothing against buying textures, models or shaders IF they fit the game or are being modified to fit the game and the core of the game is still unique and made by the devs themselves. This becomes an issue when people just buy ready made levels or whole game features with scripts and everything and just ditch them together. If someone would use valves network API for the networking, it wouldn't be a problem because the networking is not the game itself, it's just a tool. But when they just throw a complete FPS game kit in there, the core of the game is something other people made and therefore does not even fully fit the needs and ideas of the games developers.
Imagine if all that cash they scammed was instead sent to Marauder on Fib.
The guy on the right wondering how he reached this moment in his life
one if them was talking about the server stuff ended with " if that makes sense " me: no it doesn't
This game is like minecraft,death stranding,raft, and fortnite(the land/map I mean) all into one.
These guys are the 2021 version Matt Damon and Ben afflict when writing Good Will Hunting. except you know not successful…
Well the first dead give away was the pickaxe doesnt even have a proper freaking texture....
Wow is that the best 2015 shooter Game in the background for intro! 😄
Stop zooming I'm. He's going to steal my soul
all that gameplay is just flipped assets. These guys made that in a week. That dude didn't work at Facebook Google or Apple, these guys don't have the tech to support millions of players. Such an obvious scam it's sad anyone fell for it
With Chronicles of Elyria and Star Citizen getting away with it, other scammers think they don't need to try anymore. I can't understand what people see in a kickstarter with a mess of an art style and no coherency?
Their judgment day will come, eventually
I dont understand this either and this one is particularly jarring because they want to make something not even AAA studios could touch and they have a shoe string budget, no experience and non existing manpower.
And their claims are full of shit from top to bottom, only retards would back this up who have no ideas about the limitation of technology.
Hell, i am sure not even with Quantum computers there could be like a hundred thousand players on one server.
Lol i was backing this. Time to cancel. The thing is i saw this as some guys trying to accomplish their dream. I didn't really think about this until you pointed out just how ridiculous this is.
Don't reinvent the wheel, steal a car.
@BigfryTV This is movie The Producers brought to an MMO.
Think the only game I can think of that has ever accomplished anything like this is Minecraft.
First
no one asked tho
cool didn't ask
4:29 GTA V does pretty much that, and it's a laggy disaster full of hackers. No way they can use that """UNIQUE DISCOVERY""" to support millions of players.
love the battlefield gameplay! hype for the next game is building!
EA: why didn't i think of that solution
Why the hell was that guy even in the interview....?? Just sitting there all weird and shit.
we not gunna talk about how chaotic the game would be. itd turn into tb2t