Where is the north/south divide?
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The north and south of England are culturally, economically, historically and accently different. But where exactly is the line that splits the country?
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JAY FOREMAN and MARK COOPER-JONES
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This video is an affront to the proud British tradition of drawing straight lines through countries.
Lol 😂
lol
OTHER peoples' countries only!
@God Save The Queen and TommyKay We don't, we say Bath. Why do you say Bæth like in old english?
Important qualifier: *other countries
Squiggly lines are always a sign that it's a good map. My history teacher would constantly draw maps of Europe with incredibly squiggly coastlines, so the entire school would just assume his maps were perfect. Took me a while to realise his squiggles were just random.
“Ummm, Sir, when did Germany reclaim the Sudetenland?!”
Lol
@@omega9409 "Soon."
My teacher just drew great britain as a triangle, and france as a square.
What did he draw Germany like? I’d vote for a rectangle with a tiny hat.
hats of to the bloke who just drew the scotish border
Before this video i thought that the north-south divide was just fancy-terms for the english-scottish border
@@haris6772 I think from a technical standpoint it's the point at which you go from thinking London is cool and it's great to be able to go visit. To London is an expensive, functionality separate entity you wish we just leave the rest of us alone.
@@Talshere88 bro chill it's a joke; no need to diss the uk like that
Yugi Muto Scottish has two T’s
FREEDOM!!!
I like that Mark is essentially the absolute archetype of what northerners think southerners are like
Indeed! The last words said in this episode is "mahogany, mahogany", thereby fulfilling the stereotype!
Did he go to Eton?
FLORIDA--The further north you drive, the more southern it gets.
Also, the further south you drive, the more northern it gets. And vice versa.
@@ethanh6370 vice versa is just the original comment
@@ethanh6370 ah, my mistake
Go up to a Floridian and say there not southern you'll get shot bud
True true
You’re in the North if you have more Greggs than Waitrose and vice versa
Everywhere has more greggs. At least were I've been
Will Adams I live in the south and I’ve never been to a Greggs there’s only one in my city
Will Adams My town has two Greggs and one Waitrose
🙄Ha! Mahogany Mahogany 😆
My town centre has 3 greggs all less than a 5 minute walk to each if you were to start from the centre. I live in Barnsley. We have one round the corner from the bus station, one just outside the bus station, and the final one is 2 corners away from the bus station. I am not joking about this
The midlands: *exist*
Notherners: Is this the South?
Southerners: Is this the North? (mahogany)
I'm from Staffordshire and most of the people I've spoken to say we're North not Midlands. I think it is more a perceived rural indifference to the inner city, in that rural Staffordshire has more in common with rural Yorkshire than Birmingham.
Rich H. I’m from Staffordshire, I also feel more northerly
I live in Derbyshire and i don't even fucking know
I’m from Worcestershire and I feel like I’m a bit more northern but still south
I'm from South Sheffield which is basically the gateway to the north we class chesterfield just below us (7miles ish) as being Midlands even though they very much have the northern mindset and are very much northern Wannabees ... They are Midlands
2:41 Fun fact. In Italy, we tend to divide the country in four subdivisions: Northern Italy (8 regions: Aosta Valley, Piedmont, Liguria, Lombardy, Emilia-Romagna, Veneto, Friuli-Venezia Giulia and Trentino-Alto Adige), Central Italy (4 regions: Lazio, Marches, Tuscany and Umbria), Southern Italy (6 regions: Abruzzo, Apulia, Basilicata, Calabria, Campania and Molise) and Insular Italy (2 regions: Sardinia and Sicily)
This was extremely difficult to read.
The Norf/Souf divide should be based on the amount of Greggs per capita
True, in Sheffield Centre, you're never more than two minutes walk from a Greggs
Yes. Good.
17 greggs in Newcastle
Couldn't agree more lmao
Try morleys instead. If you keep going up and stop seeing morleys, you are in the north.
Canada uses an east/west split almost exclusively. But that's because only 11 or so people actually live in the north, while the rest of us huddle along the southern border for warmth.
Canada's split is actually pretty easy to explain as well and it's mostly economic and the exceptions to the east west split is basically all economic as well.
BC resembles Ontario more than it does any of it's neighbors because they share similar economics with their access to important trade partners in the US and important water shopping routes.
Alberta, Saskatchewan, and Manitoba are mostly farm land connected to poor areas of trade in the US. Also oil.
Ontario and Quebec would have nearly identical cultures due to how close they are to important US trade and access to very important water shipping routes but they end up being very different due to historical cultural divides and Ontario and BC end up being more similar even though they are very far apart.
Then the Maritime Provinces all share a common culture due to their heavy reliance on fishing as an industry.
I believe I was told in 10th grade that 90% of Canada's population lives within 100 miles of the borders, so this makes sense.
Here in my province in canada (Alberta)
We have a Northern-Southern Rivalry
@@deutschekanadische so does ontario, but it’s more of a toronto-vs-the-rest-of-the-province rivalry
Ha ha
Its not as bad as in germany where it is split like:
-north vs south (sort of)
-west vs east (take a guess why)
-everyone vs bavaria
-and a big 16 state battle royale, everybody hates everybody
i love germany
Indeed
Yes. But everyone except for north germany, can't speak propper german
And that kids is why we need the Kaiser, not a democracy
EVERYONE VS BAVARIA LMAO
Everyone vs Berlin
Most people drawing the line: Straight line across Britain
That one guy: *_Scotland._*
Wales is the forgotten stepchild that lives under the stairs of the UK
Plus we have our own contentious regional divides, though most agree Snowdonia and up is north...
So, Wales will go to Hogwarts?
I Like Turtles he’s English, from Oswestry, not Scottish.
@@scottfriske9186 He is amazing!
@@kanal2123a So Wales will save the muggle and wizarding worlds?
2:48 “France” shows picture of the two Sudans
Lol
accurate lol
th-cam.com/video/dwmyhoaQCAQ/w-d-xo.html
😂😂😂
based and redpilled
North of France: the south is only beach and crime
South of France : the north is only rain and consanguinity
Paris: Wait, you're all also French?
Parisians are a breed of their own… the most arrogant people anywhere in the planet. But people from other parts of France are quite nice. Just my opinion.
@@HS-PGX You're not wrong
@@HS-PGX Same thing in Britain with London.
Same can be said for Manilans and the rest of the Philippines.
@@SM-dt1pr Not sure which Londoners you’re meeting but hardly any of us are arrogant about where we live. Don’t let government spending cloud your judgement
Although there's north island/south island rivalry in NZ, north island folk don't really think about the south island much, whereas the more evenly split sentiment is between Auckland and Northland (north of the Bombay hills) and Everywhere south of the Bombay hills. There's a saying that NZ stops at the Bombay hills, but has opposite meanings depending on which side of the divide you live in.
I also remember talking with someone who had lived in Auckland for a couple years who thought Wellington was in Waikato bc to them, Waikato was just whatever was south of Auckland.
Wait there is south of Bombay hills. I thought we'd just fall off the world. Hahaha
The Bombay border is a paradoxical struggle for Jafas; not believing it's there, yet knowing they have to pass through it for the Boxing Day exodus to the Coromandel.
"What we need is a geography teacher."
-Mark Cooper-Jones, a geography teacher
that explains alot
Wait is he actually
@@ShundoClodsire Former geography teacher to be more accurate but yes.
In the Middle Ages there were separate taxes for the North and the South. The North paid a tax for “defence against the Scots” and the South was taxed for “defence against the French”. The dividing line was roughly the River Trent. Interestingly, the Trent Valley is also the southernmost extent of the Ice Age glaciers. That’s the line!
Hahahahhahahahah, "the defence against the scots" and "the defence against the french" are the most english reasons ever to tax someone
That was really interesting, cheers!
I'd love to chase you up on that David, but something tells me it'd be fruitless!
There’s a lot of interesting medieval locations along this current line-I saw places like Warwick, bosworth, and Tewksbury
nice. Thanks for the information
"we need a geography teacher" - Mark Cooper-Jones, a geography teacher
exactly. I saw from the other video's comments saying that Mark became his/her geography teacher 8 years ago.
we need James V !
@@galaxyllama8930 i agree LOL XD
I’m from wales
@@mariam-hy5jv i love england
In Japan, there actually is a East-West cultural divide. It’s also North-South, but it’s mainly described as east and west for some reason. There isn’t so much an economic difference though as far as I know, people in the west are said to be more brash and the east more quiet (or maybe that’s just Osaka and Tokyo), and they eat their food different; like Easterners put onions in their pork cutlet and egg rice bowls while Westerners put green onions on theirs, Westerners hate natto while Easterners love it for example. Though despite being a westerner, I swear I’ve eaten onion (or green onion and onion) pork bowls before and all my family except for me can eat natto just fine.
九州でなっとうたびますよ。
But in Japan, it's easy, you just see where the frequency goes fro 50 to 60 Hz, and from what point on you need to get a new NTT phone contract.
Udon or Soba?
@@aclark903 まあざっくり言うとですよ
I think it's because of the history of Japan. Hokkaido and the north of Honshu only came under Japanese control relatively recently; so before then, Japan was more oriented in an east-west manner.
"It would put Sheffield in the South, and that just doesn't feel right"
As someone who lives near Sheffield, I fully agree with this.
AibPresto Official as a guy from the actual north i fully disagree. Sheffield is not in the north
@@tomcourt7888 as a guy from the north , Sheffield is definitely in the North
As a person from Durham, Sheffield is definitely not in the north.
@@PhillipR34 as a guy from the north it is the north
Anything south of Middlesbrough is the midlands
This is a criminally undersubscribed channel.
I guess a lot of people started hating him when he endorsed the Green party...
How many subs did this channel have before decline?
It isn't declining. It's growing. Up until April 2015, this channel had under 6000 subscribers. Then it more than doubled by the end of May 2015, (coinciding with the release of "Politics Unboringed").
+Bilton Lawford sorry, I misunderstood it completely. I don't know how I got to the conclusion that the channel had been in decline. I'm really glad to see that these guys are growing at such a fast rate, I really enjoy their content.
I'm American, and I just recently discovered this channel. Maybe they can get a shoutout from someone or be on reddit. These guys definitely should get more views :)
Canada from West to East be like
Hippies-->Cowboys-->Americans in denial-->France Junior---->Depressed fishermen
Vive le Québec libre !
@@lcem7 bientôt big ;)
Good, but it doesn't really account for Manitoba, does it? I would maybe put "Southernmost Territory" betwixt "Cowboys" and "Americans in denial".
@@AlbertaGeek nobody cares about the Manitoba
@@lcem7 manitoba doesn't count, maple syrup, maple syrup
In Poland it's more like North-West/South-East divide. Except for Silesia, which is kind of a Schroedinger's region: Depending on who you ask, it's either split in the middle, or North-Western despite most of it being in the south, or its own little country, or a part of Germany.
aren't the North-Western Poland the weird new ones and the South-Eastern the old core Poland?
In Silisia it depends if you ask the true locals, or the resettled Poles from Ukraine that came after WW2, when Polands borders were shifted westward.
@@deutschermichel5807 thing is that whole division doesn't feel really that significant as Poland after WW2 had massive population migrations going on around the country, there was a lot of cultural mix that lead to modern Polish culture being fairly similar to each other most of the time with rather minor differences overall.
And North-Western are often descendants of people who lived in Eastern parts of the country which makes it rather tricky.
Biggest difference is how people describe outsides (dwór versus pole) but aside from it there is not that much going on that field. WW2 really made massive impact on Polish culture that literally vanquished a lot of local uniqueness.
@@andrzejnadgirl2029 thatʼs sad ig. But much of local uniqueness died with WW2, like Germans who used to live in those lands. Such cultures, local mores and customs and regional dialects - all in all diversity, die
Silesia is Schesien, but stolen, so...
2:47 _France_
*Proceeds to show map of Sudan*
so thats why i couldn't find babylon
Not even France claims the Bir Tawil.
Uhh... enclaves!
SuperQuiMan ëíğ
This is a common mistake for people who have been to France, gotten off the plane, looked around at the people, and thought they got laid over in Khartoum.
British humor on youtube is so rare. Awesome.
You mean "British humour", of course... :)
Exurb1a, nuff said
Niran And tremendously enjoyable
We leave out the canned laughter so you have to work out when you laugh
It's challenging for some
Daniel Gent but we don't. Porrage is full of it.
Anyway this is shittiest Britainia humor I have ever seen Map Men
We germans had a brilliant solution for this ages ago. Just divide east and west babyyy
They came to this solution after failing with the previous one, attempting to remove the border in general
I believe you outsourced your regional pissings to a bloke names Stalin
You split in to four actually then three then two then 1 you should probably just make your mind up
It wasnt Germany's idea.
@@ndexer finally, i found someone who knows how the split happened. Thankyou sir
You guys have now got me wanting to visiting Scunthorpe, something I never would have imagined doing before.
it's not worth it, no matter the allure
Is Scunthorpe anywhere near Peniston?
In Canada the lines are simple, there's Quebec, And then there's everyone else
Does that count as an east-west divide? Or is it an east-middle-west divide?
It's more of a west-east-quebec-east divide.
To be fair, they were there before you.
In Alaska it's Anchorage, and then everyone else.
the latter
"Mahogany Mahogany" is the best ending to a video I've ever seen.
I know right?
So good.
Not to mention the Coronation Street theme tune.
This has the best ending line: th-cam.com/video/9Jf-8QrHb4M/w-d-xo.html
I say!
Anyone who lives north of the Falklands is a Northerner.
True
I think you mean the south sandwich islands
Michael Robinson As an argentinian i'm triggered
is malvines and of Argentina Latin America for latin americans only , ok?
Sheo Shipper Fuck off
Finland has both a north/south divide and an east/west divide. It depends on the subject which people usually think about. Culturally, west/east is the pronounced division, but economically it's north/south.
"Ahh Wales doesn't count. Hah, Mahogany Mahogany." - Coronation street theme plays -
I, too, saw the last few seconds of the video.
@@honorarymancunian7433 you just summed up every quote comment on every video ever
Wales does not count as you were discussing England all along. Why you drew Scotland and Wales on your map MapMen is a puzzle indeed. FYI there is a north/south difference in Wales too. Maybe find out about it?
Northern Ireland wants to talk to you
@Meme Review There is an East West divide as well....it starts at Conwy. East is Anglicised and West is most definitely Welsh...Anglesey is very Welsh with lots of Mancs (Manchester born) on the coast
It can be easily measured by the Greggs/Waitrose ratio
Halifax has 5 Gregg's 😂
@@jacobjallen2620 no. Not in Halifax. More like Bath or Harrogate
Greggs out numbers both north and south these days.
I've seen one Waitrose in my life and it was the day I went to London for the first time...I havnt been back to the south since
@@3103-q6z There's one in Otley.
“You can tell he did his reasearch because the line is very squiggly indeed.”
I spat out my water when he said that 😂🤣
1:56
“What we need is a geography teacher.”
MARK YOU SAID YOU WERE A GEOGRAPHY TEACHER IN THE HEATHROW VIDEO
"Wales doesn't count"
Y'know, sometimes I feel sorry for the Welsh. But then I remember they're Welsh, and I feel even worse for them.
Diolch.
I laughed a hell of a lot more than I should have at that hahaha. Ah well, they'll always have their cheese on toast and castles. I mean Rarebit.
TalesOfWar "Wales" Comes from an old English word meaning foreigner, or slave.
AlwaysRM_ Yes, as in a person who is the property of another person.
I know that... but it means Slave?!?!
Jay: *says "England"*
Also Jay: *draws map of the UK*
Me:
AAAAAAAAAAAA
*casually just freehand draws the UK though.
He didn't draw Northern Ireland though, so it's just Great Britain.
@@rossmccluney2483 Good point!
I am sorry how late this is but no other part of the UK is there. Just England.@@natj8675
@@superdave186 0:53 I don't know if you are looking at a different part of the video I am, but here he says "England" and I can quite clearly see Scotland and Wales in this drawing.
“Ah, forgot Wales again”
Said parliament
“Wales doesn’t matter”
Said Boris Johnson
That attitude can be applied to everywhere north of Norwich
@@doodlebug4360 can confirm, I’m Scottish.
@@doodlebug4360 ain't that the truth.
@National Socialist So your name is.... National Socialist. I'd take smackheads any day of the week.
@National Socialist andd so is england we cant do any better
In Greece it's North vs South (Thessaloniki vs Athens specifically) but there are also rivalries between cities, like Larissa vs Volos, Chania vs Heraklion etc.
"I live in the Midlands!"
"No you don't."
Superkobster cheers... where do I live then?
@@Hello-yr1ux The North or the South.
Lolol no
@@Hello-yr1ux the nouth
@@hrgrhrhhr things are about to go sorth
Well excuse ME sir, I am from Chile: Longest country in north-south direction and I have a few things to say.
This is true.
Thanks. Now if you want to see a more elaborated version, we have the driest desert of the planet down here, and that already gives our north a very distinct personality. As you start moving south climate changes, clouds are suddenly a reality, cities become more city-like, traffic jams are real and so on. Suddenly, an invisible line will appear and the "south" begins. Some people say Concepción (where there used to be an indian-spaniard border back in the colonies), others Temuco, others Puerto Montt, where our main highway dies out and boats and planes become more efficient ways of transport because have you seen our geography at the south? Yup.
Anyway, ferns and forests arise, Norway-like fjords fill the landscape and you get to the chilean patagonia and the literal end of civilised world (Antarctica doesn't count). I don't know if you could draw a line and as these brits prove it, it depends on who you ask. But there's definitely a N-S division.
I live in Chile, but isn't Brazil technically longer from north to south?
@@hughbowden5696 it is by like 80 km
'we have the driest desert of the planet down here'
ohhh if only you had said 'driest non-polar desert' or the 'desert with the least precipitation' i wouldn't feel compelled to point out the McMurdo Dry Valleys :(
Icespoon rawa2 as we say in Arabic
Edit: I forgot to put the ic at the end of Arabic
Read in the voice of Jay :D
Actually for US, we have west coast vs east coast, while ignoring everything in the middle
Holy T but what about the north south racism divide?
@@luketalbot7253 it generally holds except for this island of non-south around miami that doesn't really belong to a direction
shockedcurve453 well of course there’s exceptions, like with the uk the Isle of Man isn’t in the north or south
I'd argue we divide much more than that. West Coast vs East Coast, the South, the Midwest, the West, and New England
"A man from Colorado drew the line between East and West in the Rockies, a man from Virginia in the Appalachians, and a man from Missouri insisted there's something called the 'Midwest'. Ha ha ha!"
I like how he said "And here's the mip" instead of "And here's the map".
That "Bith" joke may be the most British joke since the one about the parrot.
If a British man owned a zebra, he'd name it "spot".
@@TilveranWrites id name it benton
I know a guy from Bath who says it like he's a northerner but he's just from Bath
@@mvnkycheez i know a girl from bath
Can someone explain it to a poor foreigner?
To people in Scotland, we are all southeners.
Yes, you are.
But Northumbria goes further north than the entire county of Dumfries and Galloway in Scotland!
and you're all wildlings, north of the wall.
Dang Southners!!!
@Aqua Cunt I think you mean especially Anglian. Northumbria was an Anglian kingdom stretching from north of the Humber (hence the name) to the Forth.
You may be confusing the Saxons (Germans) with the Angles (Danes).
The Angles are one of the four (five if you include the Viking fringe) ancient peoples of Scotland alongside the Picts (north of the Forth), Scots/Gaels (Argyle & the western seaboard), & Britons (south west Scotland).
"Am I a northerner or a southerner?"
"That's easy, how do you pronounce this word?"
_shows word bath_
"Biv!"
"You're not a southerner, you're a South African!"
well then, how do you pronounce bathing
baafing? haahaha, keep doing that, i like it
You actually say it bbbbbth
i mean, that's still not the north
Your point being? That’s still a kind of southerner, is it not
In not from north of south I’m from the midlands
I once read an article on linguistics. Hence, I know there is an imaginary line called "isogloss" in England, which seperates two areas there; native speakers of English living in the south of the line say /ʌ/ and those living in the north say /ʊ/ for 'up, cut, come'. Another imaginary line seperates one area saying /ɑː/ from that saying /æ/ for 'half, bath, grass'. Those English dialects saying /ʊ/ belong to Northern British English, being nicknamed "Oop North".
I think the isogloss line goes through Nottingham depending on whether we say “our ‘ouse “. Or “ar arse”
Good call on avoiding Ireland what talking about other country’s north south divide 😂
Korea is slightly worse.
That's because they're two different countries
Two Englishmen talking about the Irish divide... Oh boy I can already imagine where we'd be headed.
I mean, the Republic of ireland has an East West split
Yeah but like Wales Ireland doesn't count! 😂😉
Mahogany mahogany.
Ama namna gani my fren
Mahogany mahogany
Soft bloody southerners
@@ErwinPommel at least we have friends
The wind is your only friend.
Yeah... my family is "northern German"(Hamburg) and they moved to southern Germany(Stuttgart) for better economic prospects, where I grew up. I was told to keep away from the southern culture and language, as a child, since it was considered inferior, by my parents. All people in our household were asked to speak "high German" around me- which is the version of the German language originating in Nether-Saxony/ Lower-Saxony and termed "high" since it is distinct from the regional "nether" dialects. So it doesn't mean "better" or "posh" German, and it is also not from high up on some mountain. It is however the kind of German taught internationally and the kind considered generally free of any dialect. So in my mind there is a clear north-south divide in Germany, too. But later my family moved to Cologne and I moved to Berlin and now don't get me started on the East-West divide... I am not sure, which is worse.
Actually you are wrong. High German is indeed what is spoken in the South of Germany, while „Niederdeutsch“ originates in the North.
We just have the unfortunate habit of calling „Standard“ German (actually the dialect of the region around Hannover) „High“ German.
In conclusion:
North: Platt, Niederdeutsch, Friesisch, Sorbisch
South: Schwäbisch, Bayrisch, whatever the Austrians and Swiss do.
Btw: I find it incredibly arrogant and wrong of your parents to immigrate somewhere and still consider themselves superior…
@@lucadreier22 if something is ALWAYS called something, then that is its name. I wasn't speaking in historically linguistic terms, but in colloquial/standard modern usage of words - terms. And the term "hochdeutsch" does make most sense to people, when it is juxtaposed with "niederdeutsch", which is the original regional language/ traditional dialect there. So saying "I am wrong", because people generally use a term incorrectly, but to such an extent that this use has been accepted as the standard use of the term, is ungenerous.
One might have added to my remark by saying this: "acctually Hochdeutsch should be considered misused in its designation as the name for the type of German spoken in Hannover, because originally the meaning of the term has a different origin. "Hochdeutsch" should acctually be used to refer to the German language from regions further south, than those where Niederdeutsch is/was spoken."
(Niederdeutsch=Nethergerman= regional dialect (mostly from regions in Nethersaxony (where Hannover is the state capital)).
I could have worded mine better, too. Especially, because I didn't mean to say Hochdeutsch originated in Hannover, but the term Hochdeutsch was coined as a term for dialects distinct from Niederdeutsch. And since people in Hannover, which is the capital of Nethersaxony, where Nether-German is prominently spoken, speak the "clearest" dialect-free version of German (which is seemingly completely divorced from all Nethergerman surrounding it), it is also considered the capital of "High-German". But in its essence the term "Hochdeutsch"(High German) is used to describe forms of German distinct from Nether-German.
My parents were very much in love with themselves and their own culture and wanted to defend it against new influences. Meaning they didn't want to lose their cultural identity. But they also definitely didn't fancy anything the south had to offer. To them nothing there was a desirable cultural substitute for what they had lost. So, I agree, that is definitely a little arrogant, but also on some level normal. People who leave their ancestral home to go somewhere else usually try to hold on to what they have lost, as much as possible.
But this thinking of something as inferior or superior is only on an individual personal basis. They thought of this cultural influence as undesirable for themselves. They did not think the people around them were "inferior" - they just didn't want to become like them^^, because they held their own cultural origin in very high regard. I think more than any other culture they rejected the idea of cultural change in themselves.
Where they say Apfel is South! :-)
This is the most polite and cultured argument I’ve ever seen. There’s this idea that the British are the most polite people on earth but in my experience it’s not really the case. I’ve had an absolute pleasure conversing with Germans and even “arguing” and it never got vicious. What is it about German people that their arguments are so polite, measured and pragmatic? I want to know! I need answers please
@@opiniotworczyblog5090 I know very little about Germans and their culture, but if I had to guess, I would say that it could be that they are known for being efficient, and getting emotional and throwing insults during a discussion or debate is, from a logical point of view, a counterproductive way to handle things, as it brings no new information to the table, and just introduces noise. Notice that not once did either of them make an attempt at attacking the other, even when it was clear that there was a clash in ideologies, but which was later clarified through an exhaustive description of their experience and points of view, one that I would say most people wouldn't even think to bother typing down, as it could require considerable effort.
Jay and friend. I love Map men. find that they are interesting enough to rewatch a year later.
I’m from the midlands
To the southerners I’m a northerner. To the northerners I’m Switzerland :p
I'm from the Midlands too...but up in the far north - Darlington - I was called a Southerner.
@@simonh6371 No, you have your dinner at miday so you're a northerner.
@@davew4998 Actually mate it depends on what class you are in, or think you are. My Grandparents on one side had dinner at midday and tea at 5:30 on the dot, we had lunch and dinner at home. I now have lunch and dinner too. Because we're neither Southerners nor Northerners, we're Midlanders. Look on the map, even without Scotland if you draw a line across halfway up, it's North of the Midlands.
@@simonh6371 I was only teasing. My roots are cockney and we always had our dinner at lunch time too.
I’m from Lincolnshire, equidistant from Newark and lincoln, which would appear to put me smack dab in the middle... I always felt Newark was posher than Lincoln so now I’m confused... I like to think I’m northern... my friends from further south certainly do anyway but my friends from the north say I’m southern It really does seem that no one acknowledges the midlands...
I'm from Milton Keynes, and when asked where that is I often say "it's as far north as you can go whilst remaining in the south"
Is that what the concrete cows say also?
Fake town
up the mk, roundabout heaven
Milton Keynes is a uniquely Southern shithole. Driving through it reminds me of the grim little towns around Portsmouth
I'm in Gloucestershire and I like to say I'm the most northern part of the south west
As someone who lives in New Zealand, I can't say I've seen much animosity between North and South Islanders. If there's any cultural divide going on, it's Auckland vs Everywhere else.
Are you a north islander? I've seen a fair bit in the south.
But yeah fuck auckland
Well, that’s Auckward
Yeah I agree. Apart from a few racist fringe nutters in the South Island, the main divide is AKL vs everyone
Anything south of the Bombay hills is merely a peasant serf state with the sole purpose of providing their Jafa masters with flat whites and artisanal cheeses.
Wot...there is stuff north of the Bombay Hills ???
Was just watching this again, and I found it quite entertaining, as usual! Thanks for the video!
I think that the reason that north-south cultural divisions are so common. Is because climate changes more when you travel north to south rather than east to west. Which creates a greater possibility for people at similiar latitudes to create a more common culture as the similiar climate helps unite them.
Yeah, you're probably right. It doesn't work in countries that are "fat", though, and there are historical reasons for the differences sometimes. Plus the influence of neighbouring countries.
Here in Czechia, it's West vs. East because the eastern part was a separate country in the Middle Ages. In Slovakia, the West was influenced by Czechia while the East had more contacts with Ukraine.
In Germany there's obviously an east/west devide between the original Federal Republic of Germany and the former GDR. We also have a divide based on language. There are three distinct dialect groups going from north to middle to south and at least one of them falsely claim they don't speak with a dialect. Then there's a north/south divide based on geography. Are you closer to the sea or closer to the Alps? And then there's the good old capital/non-capital divide. Nobody likes Berliners (except we're talking about the pastry.) But since for the longest time there was no united Germany, everbody hates everbody, of course.
@@elonmush4793 And Berliners look down upon everyone else. And rightly so, as I may add as a Berliner myself, as everybody else are savages. 😁
Also, LOL at the reference to Hanover 😂
Strange full stop usage.
@@martavdz4972 Yeah, Ukraine also has extremely strong East/West split for historical reasons, with east and south having bigger Russian influence (and notable amount of Russian migration and suppression of Ukrainian language and culture), and West and North having historically stronger Lithuanian/Polish/Austro-Hungarian influence
Me:*Lives in the midlands*
Video: Where's the North/South split?
Me: I'm sure they'll talk about the fact that there's no specific line because I'm a midlander
Video: *laughs at concept of midlands*
Me: Oh...
Josieloveselephants the north/ south split is in reality less of an exact line and more of a gradient, so it's less, everything north of Birmingham is white and everything south of it is black and more like Birmingham is just very grey, the problem arises that some people from the Midlands take more of a "the Midlands is a completely different colour" idea, rather than the truth that it's just the middle of the gradient
COVENTRY IS THE CENTER OF ENGLAND
I'm a midlander too. Hilarious video!
Josieloveselephants I’m from the midlands too fun more of my people
As a Brummie, I'm a proud midlander and I'll die on the hill that it's the best third of the UK. HOWEVER, if forced, I feel a bit more northern than southern, mainly just because Brum is an industrial shithole in places
*angry welsh comments incoming*
And more than deserved. Along with the angry Scottish comments.
Gareth Williams what an earth is Scotland mad for?
Scotland is mad because they when they drew a map of England they included Scotland when Scotland isn't in England, this also caused problems when they asked the public where they thought the north-south line is because some got confused and drew the Scottish-English border.
Angry Welsh comments coming from where? There is no Wales. Did you not see the map? :)
@@bouncinbetty2032 that or they're just being scottish
I live in the Peak District and because of the way the county lines are, I'm directly in between Manchester and Sheffield, two cities that everyone agrees are northern, and yet I'm classed as 'midlands' because Derbyshire county has a big sticky up bit for some reason lol.
I’ve never seen such a beautiful map of France in all my life... the usual map is so pedestrian... 🥖
Ohhh! I know this historical origins of this one! The concept of the "North-South divide" goes back to the Anglo Saxon heptarchy. In that seven kingdom system Mercia was considered the most northern kingdom in the "South" (Mercia literally means "border people" ) , which makes the River Humber - being Mercia's northern boundary - the dividing "line." And who said a degree in Anglo Saxon literature was useless?! 😂
This 81yr old Lancashire lass (pre 197Os Merseyside) Part of Cheshire in Domesday survey. Maeres-ea, AS. boundary river. Between Mercia and Kingdom of Northumbria, which Kingdom was part of the Danelaw pre 1000
Are there any coconuts in Mercia? Asking for a friend.
That's one of the possible explanations, but it's entirely possible that the anglo-saxons borrowed the concept to the previous political entities of the island, with Lloegyr vs Cymry, or even the Romans.
Hah! Nerd!
@@Ezullof Oh sweet, didnt know that! As far as I'm aware the Saxons have the oldest written account of the N/S divide but wouldn't surprise me at all if the idea was nicked from an earlier group whose records got lost/relied on oral traditions. Damn, I love history
everybody who isn't me is wrong.
don't talk shit you idiot
You’re right.
Nathan Kingham paradox yay
illiterate thug you are not an idiot
you embody the internet
I was playing a game the other night where I had to think of a country beginning with W. I couldn’t so I left it blank. I’ve only lived in Wales my whole life 🤯
Bring up a map of all the Waitroses’ in the UK and you’ll see the north-south divide 😂
Apparently to be fair to Waitrose they do only have ONE large distribution centre in England (Bracknell in Berkshire.....which is in the south); as opposed to much bigger rivals like Tesco, and Sainsbury's who both have several large distribution centres serving different parts of England, and wider UK.
You could say Waitrose have stayed true to their origins which lie in the south, but the fact that they are a 'Partnership' which means that every single Waitrose employee has a stake in the business might have something to do with it. The other supermarkets are all Public Limited Companies (Plc's).
Waitrose has an entirely different business model from any other British supermarket chain. If this hasn't been persuasive enough then I don't know. Ask the Head of Waitrose why they don't have stores in Sheffleld or Newcastle!! I think there may be one or two in Nottingham (which is about the farthest north Waitrose stores are).
@@robtyman4281 that's bollocks haha there's at least 2 in Newcastle which I can think of just from the top of my head
@@jakehill2603 I'm just stating the facts about Waitrose - I know as I used to work for them. I'm not disputing that there are no Waitroses' in Newcastle, but there aren't as many in the North because they have one central warehouse.
@@robtyman4281 there are definitely branches of Waitrose in Newcastle. There's also at least one further north in Northumberland. They're a lot more geographically spread than they used to be.
@@robtyman4281, surely the Co-op is also not a PLC?
Here in Germany we have both an east/west and a north/south divide.
You can pretty much divide Germany into north-west, north-east and south Germany and actually observe different cultures.
Especially the south is vastly different to the northern parts.
Would that be essentially Prussia, Saxony and Bavaria?
johnnye87 not really
@Muddykip 13 The US can be divided every which way like 50 times. They are called states.
Germany is best divided into NE, NW and the good part.
Well we all know who to blame for the East-West divide..or do we? I suppose it depends on who you blame for the lack of a united Germany. Some will blame the USA, some the USSR (considering it doesn’t exist anymore it’s way easier to blame the Soviets).
Jay: Bith
Me: I diagnose you with Kiwi
yis, thet's abeout ruight
Nope, kiwi is closer to buth.
But north or south island??
As a Kiwi, I pronounce it like /'bæːf/ (barf) when I'm speaking quickly (ginna havva barf = gonna have a bath). If I try to pronounce it properly, it sounds like you'd expect; /'baːθ/ (barth)
Mep Men
I think one way that works for me, is to draw a line between the sourthernmost point on the Mersey Estuary, and keep going until you reach the Humber. Coincidentally, this splits Sheffield between the North and South, right down the middle of the Meadowhall shopping centre.
In germany we have "Aldi Nord" and "Aldi Süd" and thats all we need
Germany is also a great example of an East - West divide, though it's thankfully disappearing
Germany has a east-west-divide for historical reasons. The western part has a north-south-divide for cultural/mentality reasons.
DAS HEISST HOFER!!!
Marc Exner You'd see that Bavaria and Baden-Würtemberg have very different identities to other Germans, with different dialects as well as the fact that these were the areas Catholicism was pretty much present even after the Reformation.
@@bn56would Uhm... northern Bavaria - not catholic at all. But Hesse, Rhineland-Palatinate, NRW - very catholic. And different dialects are to be found kinda everywhere ;) I guess the main difference is between parts that used to be Prussia and those who weren't.
I'm a big fan of your map of France :D
lol, I thought it looked a bit funny
They said France and showed a map of Sudan
Adam Anderson Great, sarcasm
Had to scroll way too far to find this comment :D
They're subjects of UK they have to hate the French for cheating on them with the Austrians why do you think U.S and Canada live with their mum U.K instead of that tosser France
when they were asking the public they had massive microphones but they didn't record the audio lol
Im not seeing enough people recognise just how god damn funny the final 10 seconds are. The camera move. The dismissal of wales. The Corrie theme. Its like comedic art in motion.
2:48
Shows Sudan but says France
I’m so confused-
who cares? its france!
@@atinofspam3433 grrrrrrrr, parle mieux
if the map men call it France then its France
Eh, same thing (Mahogany Mahogany)
@@darkcassoulet1041 j'avoue
Being French I can tell you there is also an East/West divide as in "I'm near the Ocean" vs "I'm near the mountains" kinda spirit. And we do have a centre. In like there is literally a French region called "Centre". Yes, it is a depressing region.
We also have an area the geographers pedantly call "la diagonale du vide" aka "the emptiness diagonal" it goes from North East to South West France and has very little population encompassing a bunch counties we like to jokingly describe as having more cows than inhabitants. Though they may literally have more cows than inhabitants. We're not sure, too few people living there to count all the cows.
30yrs ago went to Bretagne. Parc D'Amorique, Pleyben, stayed in old stone house Leur Vihan, Brasparts hardly saw anyone had to practise my French, liked it because was not mainstream French. J'ecoute la chasse des sangliers 🕊️
They might actually have more cows than people. Livestock operations can be very large. I don't know how much livestock there is in France, but you may have heard that Australia, New Zealand, and even Ireland have more sheep than people.
As an Italian, I find the UK talking about North/South divide as something cute...because here in Italy:
-- North and South have always been - and still are - two different countries; the North is wealthy and industrialized and wants independence blaming the South for being lazy, the South is more touristic/agricultural and blames the North for leaving it behind.
-- Everyone hates or ignores the Center (Tuscany, Former Papal State) because it is seen as "Southener" by North Italians, and "Northerner" by South Italians
-- the center (Tuscany in particular) is filled with local rivalries originating from the rinascimental city-states and thus hates itself
--Sardinia is just its own thing with sheep and weird people
Which part of Italy has the best food, north or south?
@@alvexok5523 I feel like you're going to start a big Italian fight lol
Is Rome in the north or south?
@@rachelcookie321 South I think
sardinia translates to wales in english
As a linguist, the North-South divide is a linguistic thing to me. A number of characterising isoglosses running approximately from East to West have divided Britain since the times of the Anglo-Saxons. These differences are due to the origin of the tribes settling in different parts of modern England.
it's pronounced Bath
Chewy No it’s bath
you sure, I always thought it was Bath
No it's Bath ya bawbags
Yes that's what I said Bath
No it's _bath_
2:49
"France.."
*Shows Sudan and South Sudan*
Close enough
As a Sudanese I've never knew I was French 🤣
Why........
wait I just realise something..
It's not wrong though. France is fast becoming Sudan.
In Japan it is easterners and westerners. Tokyo in the east and Osaka/Kyoto in the west. Easterners are respectful, patient but cold, Westerners are (kind of) disrespectful, impatient, but warm hearted. I am an Easterner, but my personality is Westerner, and I'm genetically Ryukyu! That's like a Southerner whose personality is Northerner, but Genetically Irish!
Yeah I lived in Tottori before Tokyo. People are much friendlier also in Osaka too
That's just playing with words. Japan's axis is diagonal - from southwest to northeast. Apart from Hokkaido (which was "invented," like, yesterday) there is NO "North Japan" (whatever NHK would have you believe) - there is the Tohoku (northeast) region. And Kyushu and Shikoku (plus Kinki) are not just west of the Kanto, they are MUCH further south than the Kanto. And personalitywise, there is NO similarity between the people of the Kanto and those of the Tohoku, so there goes _your_ theory!
The three mountains intensify
Weird, everyone in Kyushu was super respectful but also cold and indifferent, but everyone in kanagawa was really friendly and casual
I think genetically Hawaiian might be more accurate than Irish. Since Okinawa/Ryukyu is basically our version of Hawaii (and Hokkaido is our Alaska).
1:32 love the touch of bromwell in there
Map men: most countries have a split of top and bottom.
Canada: *wexit intensifies*
*Thousand yard stare intensifies as I remember having to read "The Two Solitudes" by Hugh MacLennan for English 101 at the U of A.*
To be fair, Canada is a little more complex:
We've got the Maritimes (the bit East of Quebec)
Quebec (self explanatory, really)
Central Canada (Ontario and MAYBE a little of Manitoba)
The Prairies (Manitoba, Saskatchewan, and Alberta)
The Coast (British Columbia)
and The North (Yukon, Northwest Territories, and Nunavut)
If you really want to divide north from south, then the south has all the major cities of Canada except for Edmonton and I'm not sure everyone would agree on Edmonton being part of the North anyway.
Wexit is cancelled because the price of oil has collapsed and Alberta et al will be in Ottawa as they have no savings and are approaching bankruptcy, again, for the third time. "Please let there be another oil boom, I promise not to pi$$ it against the wall this time". The wall is wet.
Qualicum Wilson as an Albertan I completely agree. Everyone here wants the oil to get better but it won’t. Notely tried diversifying the energy sector but people only seemed to care about the oil. It’s an addiction for the people here I swear
quebexit
There is a north-south divide in Canada:
The roughly 200 km stretch that hugs the US border to the south is habitable.
Then you have all the rest in the north, mostly trees and rocks.
Italy's North-South division is not only economic, but also cultural, linguistic climatic and so on 😅 we basically tolerate each other only when a national sports team is playing
Jay: We're going to ask the British public for an opinion on something!
Mark: (Visibly dreading this.)
Love the addition of the Bromwell High theme in there.
Being from Glasgow, as far as I am concerned the south begins at Carlisle.
Being from Perth, as far as I'm concerned the south begins at Stirling.
@@greenwoodorganics4681 😂
^ Highland Limbo
@@greenwoodorganics4681 The south begins where they all start speaking English.
Inbhir Nis.
@@RighAlban Nobody in Sutherland or Caithness speaks gaelic larper
Wait. France?
Matthew Tolentino Sudan
Matthew Tolentino better example: Germany
France is Germany anyway
*ElsaB-Lothringen
Yes France.
Interestingly, as a Welsh person moving to England. Said Northeners instantly decided I was a fellow Northener since I was from North Wales. In Wales the North South devide isnt a thing. But we have a srperate divide of our own caused by the empty void that is mid Wales
the north Waleans think of Mid Wales as the South lol
The geography of Wales is quite strange. If you live in Wrexham you are much better-connected to the connurbations in northwest England than you are to Cardiff.
wales is exempt from the north-south divide, which only affects england.
WTF Wales definitely has it's own north-south divide, are you twp? North walians speak Gog Welsh which sounds ridiculous and has loads of different words compared to the Welsh spoken in South Wales.
Sorry I don't understand what your saying with that accent.
2:47
The guy : *says France and proceeds to show Sudan*
In the United States, there is definitely a divide between the East coast and the West Coast/Best Coast. But both Coasts tend to agree on their mistrust of the Deep South. There's a lot of room in the middle of the country, but folks on the western middle, like Idaho, are different than the folks on the eastern middle, like Iowa. Alaska and Hawaii are lovely but generally left out of these conversations. It is rumored that there's a place called Wyoming, but no one has ever met a resident of that state to confirm. And a shockingly large number of citizens don't even realize that Puerto Rico, Guam, and American Samoa are actually part of the country. We're very divided for a nation with the word United in our name. lol
east > west
I have been to Wyoming and confirm that it exists.
Unlike North Dakota.
American is more of a north and south, the east and west thing is largely based on sports.
@@sparticuzj19 The difference between New York and L.A is a cultural one, not just based on sports. It's more to do with the coasts rather than the sides though.
Yes, there is a deep mistrust of the South. It's mostly generated by Hollywood and New York City (which includes both Broadway and the news media).
Sweden also has a North-South divide. Past the Gävle river Sweden fractures into a myriad of dialects and unique cultures. The southern part of the north (if that makes any sense) is decently civilized. Past the Ume river reindeer suddenly become a viable mode of transportation. These northern northerners are seemingly immune to the cold and have bad taste in coffee. In the south an espresso wouldn't look too out of place but in the far north they take it black. They want it as dark as their shriveled up, snow shoveling hearts and i should know! I'm from the far north!
Doesn't the border go at Dalaälven?
Sincerely, a jamt.
Edit: That is around Gävle, so you were correct.
Also, fun fact, only a tenth of the swedish population lives in the north of Sweden (which technically is half of sweden) with around a million residents.
Edit 2: And coffee should be served as black as a moonless winter night, or the colour of pitch, whatever you prefer.
once you drive past gävle you will instantly get depressed
Which part is rape capital of Europe.
Mostly of the rape is happening in the South divide. Almost none in the north.
@@lazyhunk2 none. Because it's not Delhi, dude
Mahogany mahogany
Chipboard Chipboard.
I find this singling out of wood types offensive and discriminatory. We should be more inclusive to other wood types such as plywood, oak and pine woods. Equal rights for all woods!
Plywood Plywood
If you’re from Northampton You say bankrupt bankrupt
*French music playing me: *bursting with laughter
Even though it sounds most absurd, I'd say the final hypothesis that "most country are just longer in north south" might be the answer. Canada's populated region streches east-west, so as many people pointed out in the comments a east-west divide is more obvious. Same goes with Russia and China, while there are north-south divide, the east-west divide are much more obvious in these countries.
about 11 people live in north canada
Thomas alva America plagiarise Tesla.
Here in America we use the Mississippi River as the east west divide
China wiped out any cultural difference between north and south long ago
@@Grivian Maybe they advertise that to the outside, but as a Cantonese I can assure you the difference is still huge.
Former Czechoslovakia had a very pronounced and obvious west-east divide: Czech Republic vs Slovakia, of course. But even now, with the countries broken apart, they each have their own west-east divide: in Czechia, it's Bohemia in the west against Moravia and Silesia in the east, and in Slovakia there is also a very pronounced west-east divide, with its epicentres in Bratislava and Košice, the two largest cities in the country, in the west and in the east respectively. Slovakia also has a north-south divide because of the large Hungarian minority in the south, but I'd argue that the west-east divide is still the principal one. You can tell I'm Slovak and not Czech because no Czech would ever be able to tell you this much about Slovakia.
Everything between germany and russia always confuses me. This is vastly ignorant, especially since friends of mine go on vacation everywhere from Lithuania to Macedon (or whatever it's called). Still can't help it.
NovaColonel It's referred to as Eastern Europe not "what's between Germany and Russia". And as far as I'm concerned it's a very interesting region.
@jokar jokar What's the point of your response then?
@jokar jokar lmao
Italy's north-south divide is so big we need a ministry just to lower it.
Gomen Nasai well, Korea's north-south divide is so big, we need one more government!
Belgium’s north-south divide is so big that, just like Belgian politics, it’s way to complicated to explain in one comment
At least Italy has a midlands, and even placed the capital in it.
For the USA, I consider north above Washington DC, and south below it.
Well done for avoiding the Ireland North South split!
*bad craic
Don't even go there! That's coming real again next year
Jack Francis well that's also an international border so it's not really a north south split as Ireland isn't part of the UK and Northern Ireland is. It's kinda like saying that Alaska and Canada have a east/west split. It's kinda misleading
Oh god, living in a relationship with a British person makes you wanna learn about those small things that make Britain so unique, but then you just feel lost because everything seems to be complicated and you just think back, back to when in school in textbooks in english class it just seemed so simple there - where british people are all nice and gentlemanny and dont hit the bar at 11am and london is beautiful and not totally overcrowded, and their accents are all beautiful yet audible. However, then at some point in life you find out they drink tea with milk and you go "??????" and that's where it all start just before you end up in a relationship with a British person that cooks you indian food on the first date and suddenly tea also means dinner or lunch. Also: Nandos, loo, bum, twat, wee, wha'eva.
That's also how I got introduced to Map Men eventually, so i'm kinda cool with it. Much love from Germany for those videos that unravel a bit more of the british culture for me.
How else would you drink tea?!?
At least we have egg cups!
@@JohnyG29 with seven year old yak butter. Is there any other way?
Why am I reading this with the voice of exurb1a in my head?
Personally hate my accent it's wierd
Also the only thing unique about Britain is the unusual amount of rain we have here
I genuinely think that the method you alluded to at the start of the video is the best one. If you're in a part of the country where most people pronounce "bath" and "trap" using a different vowel sound then you're in the south, and if you're in a place where people pronounce it correctly then you're in the north.
Midlands?
@@jackiedelvalle no
That gives a straight line between the upper reaches of the Bristol Channel and the westmost corner of the Wash. Which is what most people i know agree with.
@@jackiedelvalle and midlands is where it's 50 50
Call me crazy, but I don't think bath and barf should be homophones.
I spit out my drink all over the floor when they showed a map of North/South Sudan and said “France” in the montage