They should compare star wars on nes vs master system because there was a star wars game on snes but not on genesis. And they should also compare Ghostbusters on nes vs master system because there was a Ghostbusters game on genesis but not on snes
"Best Gameplay" was almost too close to call! That was cool how you guys both went back and forth with your talking points! I love Ninja Gaiden for NES, but your video got me interested in playing the Sega Master System version. Great video!
Finally. An episode comparing with 8-bit systems after 6 and a half years. P.S. Can you compare Mickey Mouse III for NES and Castle of Illusion for Master System? NOTE: I was originally going to do Mickey Mousecapade for NES, but due to how bad the controls are. So I switched to Mickey Mouse III for NES!
Castle of Illusion is one of the best 8 bit platforms ever made, I totally recommend you play it via emulator, it shows how good SMS was compared to NES. IMO is a better game than the MD version.
As far as your actual critique and writing analysis of the games go, this is easily one of your best episodes, you guys are getting better at this. I genuinely wasn't sure which was gonna win (esp gameplay) but when Greg displayed the fluidity of the Nes gameplay, I agreed, awesome guys.
Great job, boys! You've inspired me to go play the SMS version of Ninja Gaiden, partially because I've never played it, and partially because it looks beatable! Also can't wait for Sparkster!
I was always sad the SMS didn't get much love here in the US. It was the superior console and had more of the arcade ports I liked. Plus like you said, the NES Ninja Gaiden was just too difficult to be any fun.
Sparkster SNES vs Genesis, that will be a fun one 😊 Great episode guys, this was a blast to watch! And you almost fooled me with the t-shirt swapping, nice one XD
Lol, no matter you look at it the NES wins... the series continued and improved on the gameplay and graphics NG 2 & 3. The only thing I saw myself is the extra colors the SMS can produce. Awesome video guys as always, like with all your fans it’s great to see you guys are doing different generation of games and not just 16-bit.
PS1 vs N64 vs Saturn would probably be more appropriate (mixing and matching based on the game). There aren't really many muliplatform games you could compare between just the N64 and the Sega Saturn due to the short lifespan for the Saturn and less 3rd party support that overlaps between the two consoles. PS1 vs N64 and PS1 vs Sega Saturn would probably have more comparisons to look at.
The Saturn and N64 are like polar opposites though, they do completely different things, in the areas when one shine, the other sucks. Maybe you can compare Doom, Quake, Duke Nukem and some racing games, IDK what else.
Didn’t even know the master system even had its own version of ninja gaiden! Great vid! Nice to see you guys finally doing NES and Master system games. And if I may, I have a few recommendations: Ghostbusters, star wars, rampage, after burner, shinobi, double dragon, home alone, alien 3, bram stokers dracule, dick tracy, paperboy, rambo, strider, terminator, and terminator 2
I love watching you guys doing some fun stuff. The NES/SMS thing was a very nice twist this time. Btw. I´d really like to see a comparison for Wolverine: Adamantium Rage on SNES and Sega Genesis.
I'm loving the 8-bit episode! Ninja Gaiden is one of my favorite NES games, it's so damn fun and challenging it never gets old. I'd like to try my hand at the SMS version, it looks pretty good, and the mechanic of hanging from platforms was incorporated into NG3 which made for some especially challenging segments in the later stages.
KidShoryuken You should definitely play it. If you are like me and played the nes version all your life, you will breeze through the sms version because its a lot less frustrating and easier overall. I beat the sms version the first time I played it because i was so used to the 3 insanely difficult nes games.
Already commented but I realized if your're doing nes vs. sms now then one match up that would be fun for halloween would be Castlevania vs. Vampire Master of Darkness
Ha, I never expected to see YOU here! I watch your videos too... I can't STAND Disney's representation of Star Wars and I'm ever so glad I'm not the only one. Keep up the good work!
@@miamimagicians For me, it's like the difference between College Football (Console Wars) and the NFL (AVGN). I enjoy both, but while College Football isn't as popular, but it has a lot more heart than the NFL.
Ninja Gaiden SMS looks like a solid game, but my heart will always belong to the original. It's hard, yes, but like Greg said, DAMN fun and satisfying once you finally master it and can call yourself a true ninja master. To quote the ninja from the AVGN episode: "Playing Ninja Gaiden is a secret art, only the MOST determined players can defeat it". This game kicks you in the nutsack at first, but when you become good enough to turn the tables, it makes you a platforming god. I actually heard that being sent back to stage 6-1 was a glitch/error that they decided to keep in to make the game more challenging.
Very happy to see the 8 bit era has arrived ;). I had the SMS version growing up, and back in the day the arcade version just kicked my ass everytime haha, loved it though. Great episode guys
I've been watching your show for a good while and am fully caught up... It's very refreshing to see NES and SMS games being compared against each other, but that certainly doesn't mean I'm tired of the 16-bit wars. Thank you for the many hours of entertainment and I look forward to future episodes, like Sparkster. That's going to be a really good one! :)
AN NES VS SMS GAME?! FINALLY!! Anyway, I honestly probably would've give best gameplay to the Master System. There's no denying that the cutscenes elevate the NES game above the SMS in the presentation and music departments, but I really love the gameplay of Master System Ninja Gaiden more than that of NES Ninja Gaiden. Still, great review!
man this was a grreeat episode guys!! loving the NES vs SMS! my favorite thing about your show has go to be the fact that it seems to always make me feel as if these episodes were made back in the 90s and late 80s! I've never played Ninja Gaiden on SMS but Ninja Gaiden on NES is one of my all time favorites on the system! thanks for this episode guys!
Finally doing 8-bit console wars too? Nice! And you picked the right winner here. Ninja Gaiden for the Master System is a pretty good game but the one for the NES is just more satisfying to play and better presented. Since you will more likely doing more NES vs Master System videos, here are some games that you should consider: - Ghostbusters - Rampage - Double Dragon - Star Wars - Final Fantasy (NES) vs Phantasy Star (Master System)
Wow, I never would have thought I'd see the day in which you guys would be able to review the 8-bit games for Nintendo and Sega, and I hope to see more episodes like this in the future as well. :D
IT'S FINALLY HAPPENING!!! HELL YEAH!!! Great stuff fellas! I like the point about the "cut and paste" graphics on the NES, that always bothered me, too. Great episode!
Yeah, the Master System's dpad is just plain awful. Between that and the lack of a pause button on the controller, I'm not sure what Sega was thinking. This episode pretty much went the way I expected it to, considering the hardware. The Master System was a graphics and performance powerhouse compared to the NES: Faster processor, larger color palette, and could handle more colors and animation on-screen at once, so it's a surprise it lost to the NES when it came to the cutscenes, as it could easily have all the animation the NES did, and then some. However, the Master System had one glaring weakness compared to the NES, and that was the soundchip. The NES had 5 channels: 2 PSG channels, a triangle wave channel, a white noise channel , and a PCM sample channel (used in this game for the percussion samples). The Master System, on the other hand, only had four channels: 3 PSG channels and a white noise channel. This meant that the system was only capable of two different types of sounds, and the white noise channel was generally used for both percussion and sound effects, causing the percussion to cut out whenever a sound effect was played back. On top of that, the Master System's soundchip was incapable of low frequency sounds, leading to the characteristic high-pitched tone it's known for. The Japanese Master System was superior in this regard, since it had the FM soundchip as well, but Ninja Gaiden wouldn't utilize that as the Master System was discontinued in Japan by that time, so it's no wonder the NES version sounds so much better. Figured I'd provide some technical insight for this comparison, in case some of you are wondering.
It just feels very stiff. You can press the direction you want to go with the NES dpad, and physically feel the d-pad tilt in that direction. The Master System'd d-pad was essentially flat, and it's easy to press the wrong direction when playing games like Outrun, and end up accidentally downshifting without meaning to. Since you lived in Brazil, did you ever try playing Street Fighter II on the Master System with one of those controllers? I imagine that would have been a real chore.
A moonwalking Ninja? You made my Day, Guys! :D Thank you for an another great Episode (Y) My personal Favorite Ninja Gaiden Game is the one on the Gameboy
The Master System almost always had better colours but less detail, on almost every game. The colour palette is far better, but often the detail is reduced for some reason.
Nice that the master system had the movement options and animations from the later 2 NES Ninja Gaiden games, like the ability to hang from and flip up onto platforms, and the way Ryu only does 1 flip when jumping. Also the crouch walk is nice.
TH-cam unfortunately filters out content that isnt something they can commercially sell on a high scale. Retro gaming is small nitch. Sucks because i love retro gaming
Here's something to watch on my way home. AWESOME VIDEO, DUDES! Really great to see you two step it up to a different console generation of platforms. Hope to see another!
do double dragon, rambo first blood part 2, castlevania vs vampire master of darkness, kung fu vs black belt,, spy hunter vs action fighter as nes vs sms in the future.
Nice to see you two step into eight-bit territory. A refreshing change of pace from the usual 16-bit games you compare. I'm definitely looking forward to the next episode; Sparkster (SNES) Vs. Sparkster: Rocket Knight Adventures 2 (Genesis). That's one I've been looking forward to since your sixth unboxing video.
Yeah, i remember story somebody using GG to freeze the timer in that level so he could listen the music loops indefinitely. Nowdays we just download the .NSF and play them using music player that can understand the format.
As always great episode, but guys, do something with your sound. Room scenes have echo, voice over is distorted (too high volume for mic input). Some acoustic panels, better mic level will fix that. Also, compressor for sound in video editor.
Yea, I played the SMS version on a Genesis with the Power Base Converter and Genesis controller. I could see how the SMS controller would be a problem.
Thank you!!!!! I've been hounding you guys with this request for years now. Great comparison review, I agree with almost everything, except I kinda wished it was a tie. And I didn't seem to have that controller problem on the SMS version, and I do use a regular Master System controller. I flew through some levels like a levitating ninja. Look up the Sega SG Hori Commander controller for the SMS and wonder why America didn't get those. Keep these 8 bit Console Wars coming!!
The show just got more interesting, please do more NES vs SMS episodes, a bit of nitpick though, the NES music is a bit too low here, maybe next time try to increase its volume a bit.
Finally Ninja Gaiden! Even with the NES game being a classic, the SMS version is superior in gameplay and graphics. It's not suprising how the SMS can be so smooth and colorful (love the Master System/Game Gear color palette). More Master System/Game Gear games, please! (Can hardly wait for Sparkster)
Sherbert's World of Schlock So? Have you played Ninja Gaiden for the TG-16/PC-Engine? It puts the NES and SMS versions to shame. th-cam.com/video/rj_nZdlr9bU/w-d-xo.html
Another great thing on Master System Gaiden, the power point count past 999. The counter stops but it really doesn't. I love all these games. Thanks for this.
WOAH! YEAH BABY! Genesis Sparkster vs Super Sparkster is coming out next. Hope Bladeblur shows up for this episode also this the episode I've been waiting for you guys since I first found your channel last year.
Excellent episode, you guys pronouncing those Japanese names were amazing. Anywho here are my suggestions: Rampage NES vs SMS Zelda II: The Adventure of Link NES vs Wonder Boy in Monster Land SMS Batman Returns NES vs SMS Punch-Out NES vs Rocky SMS Commando NES vs Rambo SMS Ghosts 'n Goblins NES vs Ghouls 'n Ghosts SMS Killer Instinct SNES vs Eternal Champions Gen Equinox SNES vs Landstalker Gen Knights of the Round SNES vs Golden Axe 2 or 3 Gen whatever is fair to you guys Disney's Magical Quest 2 SNES vs Gen Rocky Rodent SNES vs High Seas Havoc or Socket Gen The Twisted Tales of Spike McFang SNES vs Beyond Oasis Gen Bust-A-Move '99 (N64) vs Bust-A-Move 3 ( Sega Saturn)
While I saw the outcome coming, I was on edge because I honestly thought Sega won this time. Great episode! EDIT: Also, Sparkster is next! Been waiting for that one!
How could you honestly think that the Sega Master System would come on top of one of the greatest most well-known classic old school games of all time on the soundtrack alone puts this game miles above the Master System version in my opinion.
Oh my God i grew up with sega master system and ninja gaiden was one of my favourite games in my collection!! Between nes and master system version of course i prefer the master system version :) anyway once again great video from console wars.Please do more master system vs nes videos!!
also I would argue that this is one of the best retro gaming channels on youtube! I'm sure the subs will skyrocket at some point, only a matter of time!
This opens up the doors for so many possibilities if you don't just do SNES and Genesis. Mortal Kombat 4, WWF Attitude, Sonic Adventure 1 & 2 and so many more. Maybe you guys can add a new guy called PlayStation (for special occasions of course) so you guys can do so many other games released for 2 of the 3 consoles, like Marvel vs. Capcom 2, Sonic Heroes, WWF Games for PS and N64 (Maybe WWF Attitude for all of them, or NWO vs. WCW: World Tour vs. Wrestlemania 2000). The possibilities are practically endless. I am just fantasizing at this point.
I owned both consoles growing up. Personally, I have always preferred the Master System versions of NES games. The graphics and sound were always better on Sega’s 8-bit console.
Totally agree. I had an NES and my cousin had a Sega. His games were way better. I have been a Sega fan ever since. They build much better quality consoles and had a far better game library. And their controllers don't suck. I hated N64 and loved Saturn and Dreamcast. Genesis rocked. SNES was slow and sluggish and their games have aged horribly.
@shadowshinobi06 Yes, the Master system sound was limited. Nes was certainly able to hold it's own graphically which was not bad for a system that was almost three years older. A lot of Master system games also suffered from wonky detection, but a lot were very good as well.
I loved this episode! One of the best ever! Can't wait for the next one because I have been asking for that game for a while now. THIS IS CONSOLE WARS!!!
I like how the NES cart was loose, and he pulls out a boxed MS version. Those cases sega used really made it easy to keep things boxed, vs cardboard that rips and tears and doesn't exactly easily let you put everything back in it.
Cuzjudd not imo. My favorite 8 bit franchise and one of my favorite franchises ever. Have them all for NES and the SMS version. SMS version is best. No question
It's pretty impressive that you did NES vs. Master System for a change. On behalf of your fans, thanks for giving us something different.
There's a few of them they could do. I'd like to see more.
Hear hear!
They should compare star wars on nes vs master system because there was a star wars game on snes but not on genesis. And they should also compare Ghostbusters on nes vs master system because there was a Ghostbusters game on genesis but not on snes
@@meatballmeatwad5730 they did a Ghostbusters episode.
Dan can finally use Greg's common argument, 'I have more colors'
Feels good. Feels reeeeeeeeal good.
Glad to see you guys doing NES and SMS games! And thanks for the shout-out!
Of course man! Happy to shout-out friends!
@@ConsoleWars do more of NES vs SMS and do WWF Royal Rumble
Do more nes vs sms review guys
Nein Nopes, LOL Literary...just thought that too!😱
Eddiepsp, Nice...but I feel you're overdoing those requests a bit
Well, they have to. Some day they will run out of 16 bit ports to compare. Expanding the console generations is the best move for this channel.
Oh shut up, they ask for game requests and Eddiepsp is helping them. Also Zelda vs Golden Axe Warrior would be a good match up as well.
Another one I'd like to suggest: Renegade SMS Vs. NES.
NES vs SMS nice!
What?? An 8-bit console wars?? AWESOME GUYS.
"Best Gameplay" was almost too close to call! That was cool how you guys both went back and forth with your talking points! I love Ninja Gaiden for NES, but your video got me interested in playing the Sega Master System version. Great video!
The Master System game is very good. It was almost too close to call.
Finally. An episode comparing with 8-bit systems after 6 and a half years.
P.S. Can you compare Mickey Mouse III for NES and Castle of Illusion for Master System?
NOTE: I was originally going to do Mickey Mousecapade for NES, but due to how bad the controls are. So I switched to Mickey Mouse III for NES!
Is the SMS Castle of Illusion a bad game? Because I keep hearing Mickey Mousecapade is terrible. Might be a landslide victory if CoI is any good.
Well, It does kinda feel confusing. But I guess Master System's Game is better than the NES!
COI is one of the best games on the system. That wouldn't be fair.
Castle of Illusion is one of the best 8 bit platforms ever made, I totally recommend you play it via emulator, it shows how good SMS was compared to NES.
IMO is a better game than the MD version.
Shameless plug of my reviews of castle land and the upcoming Legend of illusion games on master system 😎
As far as your actual critique and writing analysis of the games go, this is easily one of your best episodes, you guys are getting better at this. I genuinely wasn't sure which was gonna win (esp gameplay) but when Greg displayed the fluidity of the Nes gameplay, I agreed, awesome guys.
Thanks. I really put a lot of work into this one.
Ninja Gaiden for NES only took me 28 years to beat.
Wow, back in 2016 it only took me a few days and I'm pretty young. It took me about a month to master it though.
"Infinite continues means no game overs. The game is not over, until _YOU_ make it over!"
Took me 34. lol
+TBONE2004
AVGN reference ?
Yes it is. One of my favorite episodes.
We need more 8-bit console wars !!!
HELLYEAH.
Operation Wolf.
We need more Sam!
I think Phantasy Star 1 Master System is better than Final Fantasy on NES. WHAT??? Thats IT! ARE WE DOING THIS!!!
Great job, boys! You've inspired me to go play the SMS version of Ninja Gaiden, partially because I've never played it, and partially because it looks beatable!
Also can't wait for Sparkster!
SPARKSTER!!!
I beat the SMS game the first time I played it. Absolutely beatable.
I was always sad the SMS didn't get much love here in the US. It was the superior console and had more of the arcade ports I liked. Plus like you said, the NES Ninja Gaiden was just too difficult to be any fun.
What a great episode!
You should do a What's the Diference video comparing the NES and SNES versions of Ninja Gaiden!
Great to see a NES vs Master System episode.
Love both the SMS & NES versions.
Sparkster SNES vs Genesis, that will be a fun one 😊
Great episode guys, this was a blast to watch! And you almost fooled me with the t-shirt swapping, nice one XD
One of the best episodes yet! Also, a great ending. The ninjas moonwalking certainly made me chuckle. Keep it up guys!
Glad you enjoyed it!
NES Ninja Gaiden is one of my all time favorite game soundtracks.
Same here, the SMS soundtrack is good as well though.
If you do another 8-bit Console Wars, I hope you compare Double Dragon!
Been seeing this a lot so......YUUUP!!!!
Your wish was answered, sir.
I love how you made the beard thing canon in this episode. I hope there are other NES vs. SMS episodes in the future!
We will def do more NES vs SMS.
Lol, no matter you look at it the NES wins... the series continued and improved on the gameplay and graphics NG 2 & 3. The only thing I saw myself is the extra colors the SMS can produce.
Awesome video guys as always, like with all your fans it’s great to see you guys are doing different generation of games and not just 16-bit.
Great! Make more 8-bit and maybe N64 vs Saturn/Dreamcast videos if possible.
PS1 vs N64 vs Saturn would probably be more appropriate (mixing and matching based on the game). There aren't really many muliplatform games you could compare between just the N64 and the Sega Saturn due to the short lifespan for the Saturn and less 3rd party support that overlaps between the two consoles. PS1 vs N64 and PS1 vs Sega Saturn would probably have more comparisons to look at.
The Saturn and N64 are like polar opposites though, they do completely different things, in the areas when one shine, the other sucks. Maybe you can compare Doom, Quake, Duke Nukem and some racing games, IDK what else.
Bangai-oh, wetrix, Star Wars racer, rush 2049, ready 2 rumble, shadowman, Rayman 2, Tony hawk, many more. Lots of DC games were n64 ports
Didn’t even know the master system even had its own version of ninja gaiden! Great vid! Nice to see you guys finally doing NES and Master system games. And if I may, I have a few recommendations: Ghostbusters, star wars, rampage, after burner, shinobi, double dragon, home alone, alien 3, bram stokers dracule, dick tracy, paperboy, rambo, strider, terminator, and terminator 2
I love watching you guys doing some fun stuff. The NES/SMS thing was a very nice twist this time.
Btw. I´d really like to see a comparison for Wolverine: Adamantium Rage on SNES and Sega Genesis.
We see that request a lot. I'm sure we'll get to it.
YESSSSSSSSS! YOU GUYS FINALLY DID IT. I asked you guys to do nes vs sms a while back. No one does a good video on this comparison. Love it!
Yes!!! You guys did it (NES vs SMS)!!! Can't wait for more!!!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I'm loving the 8-bit episode! Ninja Gaiden is one of my favorite NES games, it's so damn fun and challenging it never gets old. I'd like to try my hand at the SMS version, it looks pretty good, and the mechanic of hanging from platforms was incorporated into NG3 which made for some especially challenging segments in the later stages.
Def give the SMS version a try.
KidShoryuken You should definitely play it. If you are like me and played the nes version all your life, you will breeze through the sms version because its a lot less frustrating and easier overall. I beat the sms version the first time I played it because i was so used to the 3 insanely difficult nes games.
Already commented but I realized if your're doing nes vs. sms now then one match up that would be fun for halloween would be
Castlevania vs. Vampire Master of Darkness
I love these videos.
Ha, I never expected to see YOU here! I watch your videos too... I can't STAND Disney's representation of Star Wars and I'm ever so glad I'm not the only one. Keep up the good work!
Ever since the AVG and stop being funny these guys have taken his place I feel
@@miamimagicians For me, it's like the difference between College Football (Console Wars) and the NFL (AVGN). I enjoy both, but while College Football isn't as popular, but it has a lot more heart than the NFL.
@@LegendarySuperMario I like the Disney trilogy but I can respect your opinion
In my opinion Disney is the best we got because the fans can't agree what they want for starwars
Ninja Gaiden SMS looks like a solid game, but my heart will always belong to the original. It's hard, yes, but like Greg said, DAMN fun and satisfying once you finally master it and can call yourself a true ninja master. To quote the ninja from the AVGN episode: "Playing Ninja Gaiden is a secret art, only the MOST determined players can defeat it". This game kicks you in the nutsack at first, but when you become good enough to turn the tables, it makes you a platforming god.
I actually heard that being sent back to stage 6-1 was a glitch/error that they decided to keep in to make the game more challenging.
Very happy to see the 8 bit era has arrived ;). I had the SMS version growing up, and back in the day the arcade version just kicked my ass everytime haha, loved it though. Great episode guys
Glad you enjoyed it dude!
I've been watching your show for a good while and am fully caught up... It's very refreshing to see NES and SMS games being compared against each other, but that certainly doesn't mean I'm tired of the 16-bit wars.
Thank you for the many hours of entertainment and I look forward to future episodes, like Sparkster. That's going to be a really good one! :)
Glad you enjoy it!
wow you guys finally did an NES vs SMS one! looking forward to more!
We're finally getting into the 8-bit territory? Awesome! Can't wait for the inevitable Wonder Boy VS. Adventure Island episode.
Been seeing that request a lot.
Wonder Boy clearly was better.
No song conjures up happy memories of this game like the NES NINJA GAIDEN's death song you hear when you die .
AN NES VS SMS GAME?! FINALLY!!
Anyway, I honestly probably would've give best gameplay to the Master System. There's no denying that the cutscenes elevate the NES game above the SMS in the presentation and music departments, but I really love the gameplay of Master System Ninja Gaiden more than that of NES Ninja Gaiden. Still, great review!
man this was a grreeat episode guys!! loving the NES vs SMS! my favorite thing about your show has go to be the fact that it seems to always make me feel as if these episodes were made back in the 90s and late 80s! I've never played Ninja Gaiden on SMS but Ninja Gaiden on NES is one of my all time favorites on the system! thanks for this episode guys!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Really awesome video! I didn't even know there was a Ninja Gaiden on MS.
Thanks man. Def give it a try. It was much better than I expected.
Finally doing 8-bit console wars too? Nice!
And you picked the right winner here. Ninja Gaiden for the Master System is a pretty good game but the one for the NES is just more satisfying to play and better presented.
Since you will more likely doing more NES vs Master System videos, here are some games that you should consider:
- Ghostbusters
- Rampage
- Double Dragon
- Star Wars
- Final Fantasy (NES) vs Phantasy Star (Master System)
Now this is the beginning of something perfect.
Wow, I never would have thought I'd see the day in which you guys would be able to review the 8-bit games for Nintendo and Sega, and I hope to see more episodes like this in the future as well. :D
I got so drunk I grew a beard... classic!
This is one of the funniest retro game channals on YT...Take sometime and please come back when you are ready @Greg we all miss ya bro
8-bit Double Dragon I SMS vs NES would be great. Also Dan - keep the beard
I really appreciate that you guys don’t have a wall of video games or posters behind you. Pretty classy.
I really enjoy the new nintendo guy, but i can´t deny that I still miss the old nintendo guy! I hope Greg is fine!
IT'S FINALLY HAPPENING!!! HELL YEAH!!!
Great stuff fellas! I like the point about the "cut and paste" graphics on the NES, that always bothered me, too. Great episode!
Yeah, the Master System's dpad is just plain awful. Between that and the lack of a pause button on the controller, I'm not sure what Sega was thinking. This episode pretty much went the way I expected it to, considering the hardware. The Master System was a graphics and performance powerhouse compared to the NES: Faster processor, larger color palette, and could handle more colors and animation on-screen at once, so it's a surprise it lost to the NES when it came to the cutscenes, as it could easily have all the animation the NES did, and then some. However, the Master System had one glaring weakness compared to the NES, and that was the soundchip. The NES had 5 channels: 2 PSG channels, a triangle wave channel, a white noise channel , and a PCM sample channel (used in this game for the percussion samples). The Master System, on the other hand, only had four channels: 3 PSG channels and a white noise channel. This meant that the system was only capable of two different types of sounds, and the white noise channel was generally used for both percussion and sound effects, causing the percussion to cut out whenever a sound effect was played back. On top of that, the Master System's soundchip was incapable of low frequency sounds, leading to the characteristic high-pitched tone it's known for. The Japanese Master System was superior in this regard, since it had the FM soundchip as well, but Ninja Gaiden wouldn't utilize that as the Master System was discontinued in Japan by that time, so it's no wonder the NES version sounds so much better.
Figured I'd provide some technical insight for this comparison, in case some of you are wondering.
Makes sense for the Japanese audience, but not out in the west.
The d-pad ain't any different to the Nes one.
Nein Nopes You must not have used an actual Master System control pad, then, because from experience I can tell you it is stiff as all hell.
It just feels very stiff. You can press the direction you want to go with the NES dpad, and physically feel the d-pad tilt in that direction. The Master System'd d-pad was essentially flat, and it's easy to press the wrong direction when playing games like Outrun, and end up accidentally downshifting without meaning to. Since you lived in Brazil, did you ever try playing Street Fighter II on the Master System with one of those controllers? I imagine that would have been a real chore.
I don't agree, I think the Genesis and Saturn controllers have the best d-pads, especially for fighting games or any game that uses all 8 directions.
A moonwalking Ninja? You made my Day, Guys! :D Thank you for an another great Episode (Y) My personal Favorite Ninja Gaiden Game is the one on the Gameboy
The Master System almost always had better colours but less detail, on almost every game. The colour palette is far better, but often the detail is reduced for some reason.
Nice that the master system had the movement options and animations from the later 2 NES Ninja Gaiden games, like the ability to hang from and flip up onto platforms, and the way Ryu only does 1 flip when jumping. Also the crouch walk is nice.
How do you guys not have more subscribers? Awesome video
Thanks!
I completely agree. This channel is fantastic and these guys deserve more recognition and success.
TH-cam unfortunately filters out content that isnt something they can commercially sell on a high scale. Retro gaming is small nitch. Sucks because i love retro gaming
Nein Nopes young millennias can't hold an attention span
Nein Nopes
20 minutes is long?=O
Here's something to watch on my way home. AWESOME VIDEO, DUDES! Really great to see you two step it up to a different console generation of platforms. Hope to see another!
We'll def do more!
do double dragon, rambo first blood part 2, castlevania vs vampire master of darkness, kung fu vs black belt,, spy hunter vs action fighter as nes vs sms in the future.
Another awesome episode guy's.
I never even knew there was a version of Ninja Gaiden released on the SMS until a few years back.
Yeah same here, some youtube suggestion link me to it and I was like OMG I didn't know this.
Congrats on the new shirts, guys!
Nice to see you two step into eight-bit territory. A refreshing change of pace from the usual 16-bit games you compare.
I'm definitely looking forward to the next episode; Sparkster (SNES) Vs. Sparkster: Rocket Knight Adventures 2 (Genesis). That's one I've been looking forward to since your sixth unboxing video.
NES music in this video was a bit strange. Ninja gaiden's music is the best of that hard game
Act 4-2 ALL DAY LONG!
They used a stereo modification, so will sound strange in some devices that's working with mono.
Yeah, i remember story somebody using GG to freeze the timer in that level so he could listen the music loops indefinitely.
Nowdays we just download the .NSF and play them using music player that can understand the format.
Yeah, on a cell phone the NES music is almost all drums. Gotta check that mono compatibility, guys! Great video anyway.
As always great episode, but guys, do something with your sound. Room scenes have echo, voice over is distorted (too high volume for mic input). Some acoustic panels, better mic level will fix that. Also, compressor for sound in video editor.
Ugh, the SMS D-pad. At least a Genesis pad has a nice one!
Yea, I played the SMS version on a Genesis with the Power Base Converter and Genesis controller. I could see how the SMS controller would be a problem.
Big Master Anonymous, tell me about it!
Big Master Anonymous yeah with the lack of buttons ?😂😂😂
Daniel Critchley
6 buttons
great episode as always. for a Console Wars episode I think it would be cool to see a comparison of WeaponLord for both the Genesis and SNES
They've gone 8 bit. I am interested.
Thank you!!!!! I've been hounding you guys with this request for years now. Great comparison review, I agree with almost everything, except I kinda wished it was a tie. And I didn't seem to have that controller problem on the SMS version, and I do use a regular Master System controller. I flew through some levels like a levitating ninja. Look up the Sega SG Hori Commander controller for the SMS and wonder why America didn't get those. Keep these 8 bit Console Wars coming!!
Do an episode on Clayfighter SNES vs Genesis.
I love that you guys did NES vs SMS! Maybe N64 and Saturn or Dreamcast?
The show just got more interesting, please do more NES vs SMS episodes, a bit of nitpick though, the NES music is a bit too low here, maybe next time try to increase its volume a bit.
Another good episode. It's funny and has good comparisons for both games. Way to go Console Wars.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Can you do :
The simpsons Bart vs the World NES vs Sega Master System
The very first 8-bit Console Wars, nice! Also looking forward to Sparkster; or should I say, Flashing Cake Batter?
Yes, good old Flashing Cake Batter.
Yes!!!! Master system!!!!!
OMG The next episode!
I was waiting for that for years (and I even mentioned that 2 years ago funny enough)
We will have a little chat about the next one.
Finally Ninja Gaiden!
Even with the NES game being a classic, the SMS version is superior in gameplay and graphics. It's not suprising how the SMS can be so smooth and colorful (love the Master System/Game Gear color palette). More Master System/Game Gear games, please!
(Can hardly wait for Sparkster)
We need these type of reviews:
NES vs. SMS
Gameboy vs. Game Gear
SNES vs. Genesis
N64 vs. Saturn
And I'm Turbografx...This is console wars
TG16 doesn't even know what it is. 8-bit CPU with a 16-bit GPU.
Sherbert's World of Schlock So? Have you played Ninja Gaiden for the TG-16/PC-Engine? It puts the NES and SMS versions to shame.
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World of Retro Gameplay yes I have a turbo with an everdrive...it's the best looking of the classic ninja gaiden games and it's the NES version
And I'm PlayStation (maniacal laugh)
World of Retro Gameplay You're joking, right? The background scrolling in the TG version is a nausea inducing joke.
Another great thing on Master System Gaiden, the power point count past 999. The counter stops but it really doesn't. I love all these games. Thanks for this.
True. Very helpful for the boss of the game.
The floodgates for 8-bit have been opened it seems after reading the comments section.
WOAH! YEAH BABY!
Genesis Sparkster vs Super Sparkster is coming out next.
Hope Bladeblur shows up for this episode also this the episode I've been waiting for you guys since I first found your channel last year.
Oh he will!
SPARKSTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! is next.
SPARKSTER!!!
Excellent episode, you guys pronouncing those Japanese names were amazing. Anywho here are my suggestions:
Rampage NES vs SMS
Zelda II: The Adventure of Link NES vs Wonder Boy in Monster Land SMS
Batman Returns NES vs SMS
Punch-Out NES vs Rocky SMS
Commando NES vs Rambo SMS
Ghosts 'n Goblins NES vs Ghouls 'n Ghosts SMS
Killer Instinct SNES vs Eternal Champions Gen
Equinox SNES vs Landstalker Gen
Knights of the Round SNES vs Golden Axe 2 or 3 Gen whatever is fair to you guys
Disney's Magical Quest 2 SNES vs Gen
Rocky Rodent SNES vs High Seas Havoc or Socket Gen
The Twisted Tales of Spike McFang SNES vs Beyond Oasis Gen
Bust-A-Move '99 (N64) vs Bust-A-Move 3 ( Sega Saturn)
Some great suggestions!
While I saw the outcome coming, I was on edge because I honestly thought Sega won this time. Great episode!
EDIT: Also, Sparkster is next! Been waiting for that one!
FOR REAL?! Goddamn! Even tho the sequels ain't as good as the original one, it's pretty decent.
I knew from the start that Nintendo would win this one, but Sega sure didn't go down without a fight, either.
How could you honestly think that the Sega Master System would come on top of one of the greatest most well-known classic old school games of all time on the soundtrack alone puts this game miles above the Master System version in my opinion.
The first NES vs. SMS episode! AWESOME! Also who knew the "moonwalk" was considered a Ninja move. 🤣
Oh my God i grew up with sega master system and ninja gaiden was one of my favourite games in my collection!! Between nes and master system version of course i prefer the master system version :) anyway once again great video from console wars.Please do more master system vs nes videos!!
We will!
Wow the first video to have nes vs sega master system. Nice to see some more variety.
Sam lookin' good!
Agreed!
Love you dudes! ❤️
Thanks! And glad to see you putting out videos again!
Suggestion: star trek next generation snes vs genesis
also I would argue that this is one of the best retro gaming channels on youtube! I'm sure the subs will skyrocket at some point, only a matter of time!
Hell yeah ninja gaiden 🙌
This opens up the doors for so many possibilities if you don't just do SNES and Genesis. Mortal Kombat 4, WWF Attitude, Sonic Adventure 1 & 2 and so many more. Maybe you guys can add a new guy called PlayStation (for special occasions of course) so you guys can do so many other games released for 2 of the 3 consoles, like Marvel vs. Capcom 2, Sonic Heroes, WWF Games for PS and N64 (Maybe WWF Attitude for all of them, or NWO vs. WCW: World Tour vs. Wrestlemania 2000). The possibilities are practically endless. I am just fantasizing at this point.
KingJaz B. Switch vs dreamcast graphics are pretty much on par :)
Congratulations on your excellent prom date, Greg! Just... try not to get her pregnant with twins. Won't turn out well.
You guys are a great discovery !! thanks for your creativity, it's pretty fun! :)
I owned both consoles growing up. Personally, I have always preferred the Master System versions of NES games. The graphics and sound were always better on Sega’s 8-bit console.
Totally agree. I had an NES and my cousin had a Sega. His games were way better. I have been a Sega fan ever since. They build much better quality consoles and had a far better game library. And their controllers don't suck. I hated N64 and loved Saturn and Dreamcast. Genesis rocked. SNES was slow and sluggish and their games have aged horribly.
@shadowshinobi06 Yes, the Master system sound was limited. Nes was certainly able to hold it's own graphically which was not bad for a system that was almost three years older. A lot of Master system games also suffered from wonky detection, but a lot were very good as well.
It’s cool to see different systems and games being compared, I love the SNES and Genesis videos, but once in awhile, something different is great.
This is the mark of a new era
I loved this episode! One of the best ever! Can't wait for the next one because I have been asking for that game for a while now. THIS IS CONSOLE WARS!!!
I laughed when the first argument for SMS graphics were: the sms has better color. Speaking of a role reversal.
Ikr
I like how the NES cart was loose, and he pulls out a boxed MS version. Those cases sega used really made it easy to keep things boxed, vs cardboard that rips and tears and doesn't exactly easily let you put everything back in it.
Sega had better boxes back in the day for sure.
The graphics argument was a joke. The SMS version looks as good as some 16-bit games
Brandonsaurus64 no It was a joke that SMS won. Better colour in SMS but everything else was better on the NES version
Cuzjudd not imo. My favorite 8 bit franchise and one of my favorite franchises ever. Have them all for NES and the SMS version. SMS version is best. No question
synical13 Nothing wrong with that. We all certainly have our preferences
synical13 Haha agreed on all accounts
What are you talking about? SMS won graphics.
Great episode as always guys. Very interesting you both compared an NES and Master System game.
Thanks man!
Console Wars No problem
Yeah! More nes x sms.
Sega máster system is better hahaha
you guys are funny! that shirt gag made me laugh out loud. nice work!