Because Wirtz is German, in the BuLi, playing for a team that nobody cares about in and of itself. Plus also what disqualifies Leverkusen from having the best season ever, no matter what they do - the Europa League.
Bro I agree with you 100% but we all know from the last decade how much the Ballon D’or committee hates Germany and the Bundesliga so it will never happen…
37g/a but your point is absolutely right he should be neck & neck with jude & trophies should determine it including euros... although if france,which is most likely to win, win then mbappe will win it even without champions league trophy, just cuz of the agenda
Still not playing UCL. Tell me how to win the highest possible award if you dont even play on the highest possible stage? Of course he did amazing season but its still just the little treble. Nobody cares about UEL and german titles. Maybe he can make something work with an euros master performance but i doubt it. I dont even remember a single ballon d'or winner from UEL and not UCL😂
@@Guestownedu not in that way, when last defender won it? it's only strikers are modric is one of the last winners that is not a striker/forward. Before it was populaarity but it was more closed voting now it's everyone that don't even watch football
@@GamingEnjoyer Van Dijk almost won it recently. It was always the same: team success is key, popularity matters and forwards over defenders. Nothing changed.
In the past you became popular for achieving but now you are popular for having been popular. Messi deserves much praise but the last balloon d'or was just thrown at him for being Messi.
@@Darilon12 Yeah, that and winning the goddamn World Cup scoring 7 goals with 2 in the final with 16 goals and 16 assists in the league. But yeah Wirtz isn't winning because of the popularity with his 11+11, no CL or national team success. Jesus f christ people.
The fact that this will probably be The first season unbeaten in every competiton, that they break the bayern streak and wirtz is the main player, wirtz should be atleast on the top 3. Make an season like that in a team that is not the big ones, with the players they have, is wild.
100% agree with you I’ve been saying this, Wirtz is an unbelievable talent he’s always been top but last season he was injured, 20+ goals and 20+ assists with treble + Germany chance to win EUROS + 50 game unbeaten streak never done before surely that’s enough to win especially when you watch him play and see how good he is
Bellingham was a really strong shout at the beginning of the season but he's slowed down. He seems more tired in games now and isn't showing up every game like he was. I think he's still the favourite based on the fact that the other players have been injured or playing in a league that isnt really respected, I think this ballon dor will be heavily dependent on the euros.
I agree. International tournaments always hold the most weight. Whoever wins player of the tournament and wins the Euros will sky rocket in the Ballon D’or voting. The favorites are France or England so it’s probably between Mbappe and all the England boys.
Hey Nick! As a random guy from London Ontario! I love your videos on this channel, love the just, talking, honest, genuine opinions on things format. Excellent type of channel and keep giving us your thoughts on things! Have a great weekend man.
if it was rlly about the best player in the world as opposed to team success then it should be 1) rodri 2) wirtz 3) foden or vini if kdb didn't get injured for the first 3 months, 100% the ballon dor should be his
As a Real Madrid fan idc about this trophy when they introduced a trophy out of nowhere just to make sure give ballon dor to their favourite player instead of the real winner. ( just wait for that every year tournament Copa America and if Argentina wins it you will hear his name out of nowhere again )
Great video Nick! One thing I did want to mention that is pretty interesting is the difference between Europa and UCL. Because we had quite a similar situation in 2018, Antoine Griezmann had a crazy year, 3rd in the league with Atleti, won the Europa and even won the World Cup as one of the best players of the tournament. But because Modric won the UCL and had gone to the World Cup final he ended up winning the Ballon D'Or. I could see something very similar happen here with Wirtz and Bellingham/Vini Jr.
How is foden having a higher chance of winning then Vinicius? Foden isn’t even in the ucl semi-final, he hasn’t secured the epl. Vinicius is in the ucl semifinal, scored a double at Munich, he scored a hat trick in the super copa final against his Madrids biggest rival, he deserves to be higher than foden
I would love these conversations to be a podcast with you hosting someone, could be even big names like Beckham, imagine him and pick does a podcast. What a banger that would be
@@all-caps3927 vinicius was injured for 3 months and is already catching up to fodens g/a lmao, and he hasn't been outperformed by jude, jude was just very significant in the beginning of the season when vinicius was out
@@all-caps3927 Foden has played almos 15 matches more. Vini was out for 2.5 months due to injury Even though he has 21 goals and 11 assists in 35 matches. And it's not just abiut the numers, but their importance. Vini has shown up in all big matches this season, agains Girona, Barcelona 2x, Valencia, Manchester City, Bayern... He is the face of the team
@@nigeldasilvalima4568 for me vini and foden are on the same level at the moment, but vini is on for a better season at this rate as he'll probably win champions league and have a major part. I still think Woden is the most in form player at the moment, he has been sensational for city at such a young age. We will see what happens as time rolls on
i can’t be the only person who doesn’t understand why the ballon d’or is so dependent on how your natural or club team does?? so if you score 75 goals in a season but you play for slovenia how tf are you expected to win
It doesnt matter how many goals u score as seen with Haaland, it matters how u score them, u dribble past 3-4 defenders and score 75 goals but u cant win titles u definitely will be nominated for ballon dor and u will only lose if there are similar candidates that also won titles.
It's not that it's an official requirement. Team success just affects how people perceive a player's performance. The ones who are voting are experts and professionals. None of them will have watched all games of all top players. So they are always relying on highlights, PR, and things like team success. It's not fair but it is what it is.
We all know deep down that the ballon d'or doesn't always pick the best player in that specific year. Look at the most recent one where messi won it even though Haaland, Rodri and KDB all contributed a lot to a historic treble for city.
I'd personally argue Grimaldo has been more instrumental for Leverkusen than Writz has Plus, 31 goal contributions from a defender is insane (even if he is a very attack minded defender) I'd love to see a defender win the ballon d'or. The last time it happened was in 2006 with Cannavaro. That was 18 years ago
I think whoever wins the champions league will dictate the next ballondor winner. If PSG wins then mbappe, if bayern Kane, etc. Its really close atm imo and if leverkusen were in the UCL Wirtz has a good chance to win it.
I watched wirtz win the title by scoring a hattrick and calling game in the 89th minute as he got swarmed by thousands of fans storming the pitch…coldest thing I’ve seen live. Give that young man his flowers 😭
Thank you cause even tho I’m a Madrid fan I’ve been watching the bundesliga since I was a kid and been saying wirtz is easily the best youngster out rn but when I bring it up dumb people that don’t even watch leverkusen saying all the other youngsters are better than him and he performed well so far for Germany
I actually think the top 5 order as per the tweet should be reversed. Vini and Phil have been INSANELY impactful for their teams at the biggest stages.
Its so crazy because if Madrid wins it’s literally over, I saw a graphic that said Toni Kroos should win it because at that point he would have done a treble (League, UCL, and Euros) It soley depends on your team.
ability wise wirtz is top 2 easily in the world and might even be the best. if leverkusen are invincible in everything and get the treble, IMO unless haaland wins the treble hes my no.1 shout. best german player in the last 10 or so years. if he was called wallace and played for chelsea he'd already have it in his hand.
Was literally saying to my friend a couple days ago that if both Madrid / psg and leverkussen both win their respective European competitions . It’ll be down to the euros on who gets it
Wirtz, Grimaldo and Frimpong should all be very high on the ballon d`or list. The ballon d`or has always had a huge Madrid and Barcelona bias(majority of ballon d`or winners throughout history have played for either of these two clubs) And that was before Messi and Cr7 alone inflated the winning numbers for Barcelona and Madrid in ballon d`or wins. i honestly think that Rodri or Wirtz should win the ballon d`or.
Wirtz definitely is good enough to be a serious contestant no question about it but I can tell you why no one is talking about him and why he will not win the Ballon d’or the ballon d’or is not about the players qualities and not even rly about the achievements of the team it’s about big names that’s why Mbappe is in that list Mbappe is definitely not as good as the other players on that list but the reason why he is probably gonna win this is bc he has a big name that’s also the reason why Messi was able to rob the trophy from Lewandowski (and bc he came to PSG) it’s a French trophy so in my opinion that boosted the decision for Messi and (that’s just my opinion) I feel like German players have it more difficult to get acknowledged I mean Wirtz is the perfect example for that he is so young and in the past he was already so good and then he got that injury and couldn’t play for 1 year but instead of becoming worse he became even better (don’t know how he managed to do that) and now he is one (maybe even the) best players at Leverkusen while they are playing such an unbelievable season and at such a young age even breaking bayerns 11 year dominance in the league in my opinion it’s a way bigger feat than winning laliga with Madrid its like winning the BL with Bayern even though I think Bellingham is a great player who would deserve that trophy no doubt about that
I believe Vini is too low. Even with his injury he’s contributed more to Goals than Kane & Foden I would say. Jude has slowed down A LOT since the beginning of the season. Genuinely think Vini should be topn3 considering foden is out of Champ league.
I feel like if Germany would do well at the Euros, I think you should at least consider a player like Toni Kross. I mean he has been excellent for RM and if Germany really goes far in the Euros he will 100% play a huge role in this team. Indeed, we would have a similar story to Luka Modric in 2018.
Rodri is never mentioned. Like what if Dortmund wins the UCL and Spain wins the Euros? That could leave Kane with no trophies, Jude with a La Liga title and Supercopa, and Foden with a Premier League title and maybe an FA Cup. The fact Rodri could be winning more titles than all the nominees with the Premier League, FA Cup, and Euros and still not get a mention in my eyes is disrespectful. Manchester City have earned more points when Rodri is playing than when Foden is playing. If Rodri wasn’t playing this season then City wouldn’t even be in the title race.
This is crazy.. bellingham went missing in so many games. His highest grades and performance ratios are against smaller teams.. i think mbappe was also ghosting a lot. I think it should be vinicius 1 foden 2 kane 3.
There’s no favorite for the Ballon Dor this year as all the players are on the same level. Whoever wins the champions league and has a deep run in the EUROs, will win the Ballon Dor. No matter how well you play domestically, people value the champions league and international competitions and if you win one of them. Mbappe Bellingham Kane Vini Wirtz Rodri Foden etc are all strong contenders and I missing someone maybe I can throw Bernardo Silva into the mix Kroos Rudiger etc. . I think we’ll have a clear idea on who’s winning the Ballon Dor whoever wins the champions league and or the EUROs.
Imo the top 5 (in no particular order) deserve to be Vini, Bellingham, Mbappe, Wirtz and Kane. But I think the winner comes down to the Euros/Copa America. If France win the Euros, Mbappe will win. If Brazil win Copa America, Vini will win. If Germany win the Euros, Wirtz will win. If England win the Euros, I think Bellingham will win it over Kane, since didn’t win the Bundesliga or UCL.
KDB should have won it last year tbf. Haaland statistically was insane, but his stats without KDB behind him are mid at best. Shame nobody talked about him.
I think Wirtz could win it only if leverkusen win the treble and finish the whole season invincible then have good final or win the euros with Germany. This is the only scenario where he probably wins though
The only thing is that wirtz really doesnt have any bug game moments this year, except for that goal v Roma in the semis, but in their Bundesliga winning campaign he really doesn’t have any of the key moments to tie or win games, whilst other players like vini and Bellingham do have those factors, wirtz needs to show up in the rest of europa league, dfb pokal or the euros
@@thanos9483 check the games that actually lead to that more than 10 point lead over bayern, and that “deciding” Bundesliga game was a 5-0 win at home with wirtz scoring a hatty after the game is already 2-0, that’s like saying asensio was key in the champions league final in 2017 bc he scored but the game was already 3-1😐 actually watch the games, both of the most important games against bayern in the bundes, wirtz got nothing, against dortmund when they tied nothing again, all those key late winners or tie making goals, wirtz had no direct hand in
@@stevencamacho1127 Europe League… man if You have no Clue, then please Don‘t Talk, Wirtz just turned 21 and he already plays world class. It wouldn‘t be horrendous if he won it, atleast Not as horrendous as messi last des Ballon dors.
@@thanos9483 your point makes no sense, just ignored everything I said, if u want to justify him being 21 in europa league and using that, then u can’t then go on and say he deserves the ballon d or, messi won it being world cup best player with a world cup campaign that only maradona can compare to, wirtz isn’t even the best player in Bundesliga, its Kane, nor is he the best performer in europa league and either, its prob auba. Just telling u, check the actual important games and deciding games for very team, and you’ll see that wirtz isn’t necessarily supposed to be in the ballon dor convo, he needs to show up in the europa league final and have an insane euros to be deserving of winning it
i love wirtz, but i firmly believe you need to be playing in the UCL to win the balon dor. only way i see wirtz having the slightest chance is if like dortmund win the UCL, germany win the euros and both vini and jude absolutely crashout
In my opinion Toni Kroos and Rodri should also definitely be in the running. They have been amazing. Same with Grimaldo. I personally think he deserves it even more than Writz. Also I didn't really notice Rudiger as much at the start of the season but recently he's definitely had more than Ballon d'Or worthy performances.
Shouldn't be based off how many trophies you win in a year to get ballon do'r, or how many goals you get, it should be based off of pure development and who has shined, because at the end of the day we don't get an say anyway, it is all politics.
wirtz needs dortrmond or Bayern to knockout one of those contenders from winning the ucl then its up to him to perform at the euros but a 50 games unbeaten plus 40 G/A and a treble is high level he just does not have Judes madrid pr but they are closer then people think
the only way Wirtz could win is if dortmund or win ucl (the only team left who doesnt have a super star). And than germany win euros. I hope that happens. If any other team wins ucl than kane, mbappe or jude will win depending on what team won ucl. If they go unbeaten and win euros he has to win
As a Ronaldo fan if Ronaldo win euro who is by far the biggest think this year I also want him to win ballon dor when Messi can do it for a World Cup only wish way less goals while there was a guy called Haaland who won it all for club and literally break every record I am 100% seriously that I also wanna see Ronaldo win then but definitely not him who been the best by any way
As a Leverkusen fan and as good as Grimaldo has been all season, let me tell you that Wirtz is way ahead. The opposition has to adapt their game plan completely to him.
A bit odd that you talk about the German team and rattling down names without mentioning any Stuttgart players. Probably strongest team in Germany alongside Leverkusen (and they almost went up 3-0 against Leverkusen the other week and tied not due to some Leverkusen magic but a referee’s mistake). So give credit where credit is due: Undav, Führich, Anton, Stiller, Mittelstädt, etc
If the balon d'or depends on team performance as well that means that Haaland deserved it even more. He has better stats in a better league and he won the treble. 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
I really don't understand why everyone hypes up leverkussen but nobody talks about Wirtz potentially winning the Balon D'or
mostly because people understand that 50% of the ballon dor is marketing and bellingham has too much marketing for wirtz to compete
The award is a lot of behind the scenes politics
Because hes not playing in the ucl simple
@@nonloso1391then why is levurkusen getting hype
Because Wirtz is German, in the BuLi, playing for a team that nobody cares about in and of itself.
Plus also what disqualifies Leverkusen from having the best season ever, no matter what they do - the Europa League.
The fact that Wirtz is having a season like this coming off a torn ACL makes it even more crazy
Bro I agree with you 100% but we all know from the last decade how much the Ballon D’or committee hates Germany and the Bundesliga so it will never happen…
That's true for basically every vote based competition.
Writz 40+ G/A this season... Unbeaten in 46 games (RN) unbeaten Treble is loading... Won the bundlisga for the first time in club history
37g/a but your point is absolutely right he should be neck & neck with jude & trophies should determine it including euros... although if france,which is most likely to win, win then mbappe will win it even without champions league trophy, just cuz of the agenda
Only 11+11 in the league but apparently he won them Bundesliga while other Bayer players stood around and watched.
@@UKRSHEV no one can win anything alone
@@mikesupreme4521 florian wirtz is playing in the bundesliga and europa league
Still not playing UCL. Tell me how to win the highest possible award if you dont even play on the highest possible stage? Of course he did amazing season but its still just the little treble. Nobody cares about UEL and german titles. Maybe he can make something work with an euros master performance but i doubt it. I dont even remember a single ballon d'or winner from UEL and not UCL😂
Sadly he’s not popular enough. This award has become nothing more than a popularity contest
'has become.' it's always been a popularity contest
@@Guestownedu not in that way, when last defender won it? it's only strikers are modric is one of the last winners that is not a striker/forward. Before it was populaarity but it was more closed voting now it's everyone that don't even watch football
@@GamingEnjoyer Van Dijk almost won it recently. It was always the same: team success is key, popularity matters and forwards over defenders. Nothing changed.
In the past you became popular for achieving but now you are popular for having been popular. Messi deserves much praise but the last balloon d'or was just thrown at him for being Messi.
@@Darilon12 Yeah, that and winning the goddamn World Cup scoring 7 goals with 2 in the final with 16 goals and 16 assists in the league. But yeah Wirtz isn't winning because of the popularity with his 11+11, no CL or national team success. Jesus f christ people.
The fact that this will probably be The first season unbeaten in every competiton, that they break the bayern streak and wirtz is the main player, wirtz should be atleast on the top 3. Make an season like that in a team that is not the big ones, with the players they have, is wild.
NO
he's not better than vini, criminally underrated himself
hes in the europa league
100% agree with you I’ve been saying this, Wirtz is an unbelievable talent he’s always been top but last season he was injured, 20+ goals and 20+ assists with treble + Germany chance to win EUROS + 50 game unbeaten streak never done before surely that’s enough to win especially when you watch him play and see how good he is
Wirtz is a possible treble MVP winner this season. If Germany wins Euro's Wirtz absolutely deserves this award, no doubt
Jude that high is a crime. Im sorry, but in the big games vini is the one truly getting this team through.
two british players in the baloon d or when both are underperforming lmao
This changes everything
Freak ur first
If Wirtz gets the Tripple with Leverkusen AND wins the Euro with Germany - and scores some more on that way - the CL is irrelevant.
But if Kroos wins the CL with Madrid and the Euro it will be tough because Toni is so strong this year 🤠
Bellingham was a really strong shout at the beginning of the season but he's slowed down. He seems more tired in games now and isn't showing up every game like he was. I think he's still the favourite based on the fact that the other players have been injured or playing in a league that isnt really respected, I think this ballon dor will be heavily dependent on the euros.
I agree. International tournaments always hold the most weight. Whoever wins player of the tournament and wins the Euros will sky rocket in the Ballon D’or voting. The favorites are France or England so it’s probably between Mbappe and all the England boys.
I think if vini wins ucl and Copa it should go to him
Hey Nick! As a random guy from London Ontario! I love your videos on this channel, love the just, talking, honest, genuine opinions on things format.
Excellent type of channel and keep giving us your thoughts on things!
Have a great weekend man.
Cheers man. Love being able to chat with you all. Try to keep the discussions as unbiased and open as I can
Eh aboot there’s a moose loose aboot the hoose 😂😂😂
if it was rlly about the best player in the world as opposed to team success then it should be
1) rodri
2) wirtz
3) foden or vini
if kdb didn't get injured for the first 3 months, 100% the ballon dor should be his
Mate, loving the discussion style videos to mix it up on the channel. Keep em coming!!
Great video I love these kind of talks❤
If Wirtz goes crazy in the Euros, it’s his 100%
As a Real Madrid fan idc about this trophy when they introduced a trophy out of nowhere just to make sure give ballon dor to their favourite player instead of the real winner. ( just wait for that every year tournament Copa America and if Argentina wins it you will hear his name out of nowhere again )
Cry more ronny fangirl
But if ur guy had won the most all time you’d care🤣
Wirtz is definitely a solid Ballon d’or candidate, but playing the Europa League plays against him..
He might win it if Germany wins Euro and if he is player of the tournament (which he can be)
Against him is an understatement.
Great video Nick! One thing I did want to mention that is pretty interesting is the difference between Europa and UCL. Because we had quite a similar situation in 2018, Antoine Griezmann had a crazy year, 3rd in the league with Atleti, won the Europa and even won the World Cup as one of the best players of the tournament. But because Modric won the UCL and had gone to the World Cup final he ended up winning the Ballon D'Or. I could see something very similar happen here with Wirtz and Bellingham/Vini Jr.
How is foden having a higher chance of winning then Vinicius? Foden isn’t even in the ucl semi-final, he hasn’t secured the epl. Vinicius is in the ucl semifinal, scored a double at Munich, he scored a hat trick in the super copa final against his Madrids biggest rival, he deserves to be higher than foden
foden deserves to be higher than mbappe and bellingham. vini 1 foden/kane 2/3 bellingham 4 mbappe 5
@@ccc5949foden is not top 10😂
I would love these conversations to be a podcast with you hosting someone, could be even big names like Beckham, imagine him and pick does a podcast. What a banger that would be
Bro is talking about Wirtz but not about Toni Kroos.
Florian has been coooooookinnnnngggggg.
Drop the Kendrick reaction big bro
Vini jr is definitely the best player in the world right now.
He has stepped up a lot in 2024
so how has Foden got more g/a this year in a harder league? And how has he been outperformed by Bellingham
@@all-caps3927 vinicius was injured for 3 months and is already catching up to fodens g/a lmao, and he hasn't been outperformed by jude, jude was just very significant in the beginning of the season when vinicius was out
@@all-caps3927 Foden has played almos 15 matches more. Vini was out for 2.5 months due to injury
Even though he has 21 goals and 11 assists in 35 matches. And it's not just abiut the numers, but their importance. Vini has shown up in all big matches this season, agains Girona, Barcelona 2x, Valencia, Manchester City, Bayern... He is the face of the team
@@nigeldasilvalima4568 for me vini and foden are on the same level at the moment, but vini is on for a better season at this rate as he'll probably win champions league and have a major part. I still think Woden is the most in form player at the moment, he has been sensational for city at such a young age. We will see what happens as time rolls on
What?? Hes stepped up since 2021 bro
German players have never got enough props the last 10 years
As soon as you said Wirtz I liked the video😭👍🔥🔥🔥
Wirtz absolutely deserves it. Grimaldo, Frimpong and Xhaka should also be in the conversation at least.
Oh yeah, Xhaka in the conversation for Ballon d'Or...the delusion is unreal
Wirtz, yes. The rest, no.
@@UKRSHEV Have you watched more than 3 Leverkusen matches this season? He's arguably the most important player for them.
Not really, it has to be wirtz
@@moneyball6046 name me wing defenders that have double digits numbers last years I'll wait
Kroos and Rüdiger great shouts if Madrid win UCL and Germany do good
Feel like Rodri is criminally underrated, he is Man City’s most important player by a mile should definitely be in the conversation if not winning
i can’t be the only person who doesn’t understand why the ballon d’or is so dependent on how your natural or club team does?? so if you score 75 goals in a season but you play for slovenia how tf are you expected to win
i’m right there with you
It doesnt matter how many goals u score as seen with Haaland, it matters how u score them, u dribble past 3-4 defenders and score 75 goals but u cant win titles u definitely will be nominated for ballon dor and u will only lose if there are similar candidates that also won titles.
Haaland won the treble. Just Messi is fifas pink barbie star girl. Thats all
It's not that it's an official requirement. Team success just affects how people perceive a player's performance.
The ones who are voting are experts and professionals. None of them will have watched all games of all top players. So they are always relying on highlights, PR, and things like team success.
It's not fair but it is what it is.
@@davidumana9861The Ballon d'Or is not given our by FIFA and Messi had a worthy season
We all know deep down that the ballon d'or doesn't always pick the best player in that specific year. Look at the most recent one where messi won it even though Haaland, Rodri and KDB all contributed a lot to a historic treble for city.
Germany is the 2nd strongest league, right behind Italy according to UEFA rankings right now. This speaks for Wirtz
I'd personally argue Grimaldo has been more instrumental for Leverkusen than Writz has
Plus, 31 goal contributions from a defender is insane (even if he is a very attack minded defender)
I'd love to see a defender win the ballon d'or. The last time it happened was in 2006 with Cannavaro. That was 18 years ago
I think whoever wins the champions league will dictate the next ballondor winner. If PSG wins then mbappe, if bayern Kane, etc. Its really close atm imo and if leverkusen were in the UCL Wirtz has a good chance to win it.
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I watched wirtz win the title by scoring a hattrick and calling game in the 89th minute as he got swarmed by thousands of fans storming the pitch…coldest thing I’ve seen live. Give that young man his flowers 😭
you are on point. subbed
If you mention Wirtz, you have to mention Kroos as well. He is such an important player for Madrid and Germany. At least in my opinion.
Thank you cause even tho I’m a Madrid fan I’ve been watching the bundesliga since I was a kid and been saying wirtz is easily the best youngster out rn but when I bring it up dumb people that don’t even watch leverkusen saying all the other youngsters are better than him and he performed well so far for Germany
I actually think the top 5 order as per the tweet should be reversed. Vini and Phil have been INSANELY impactful for their teams at the biggest stages.
Its so crazy because if Madrid wins it’s literally over, I saw a graphic that said Toni Kroos should win it because at that point he would have done a treble (League, UCL, and Euros) It soley depends on your team.
ability wise wirtz is top 2 easily in the world and might even be the best. if leverkusen are invincible in everything and get the treble, IMO unless haaland wins the treble hes my no.1 shout. best german player in the last 10 or so years. if he was called wallace and played for chelsea he'd already have it in his hand.
Haaland cant win the treble
Neur?
They have like 3 players on that team that can be in the conversation
If it's all about him not being up there for the betting odds you should put a dollar on it.
Was literally saying to my friend a couple days ago that if both Madrid / psg and leverkussen both win their respective European competitions . It’ll be down to the euros on who gets it
It could also become Toni Kroos right? If Madrid wins the CL and Germany the Euro…
He is amazing at the moment…
Wirtz, Grimaldo and Frimpong should all be very high on the ballon d`or list.
The ballon d`or has always had a huge Madrid and Barcelona bias(majority of ballon d`or winners throughout history have played for either of these two clubs) And that was before Messi and Cr7 alone inflated the winning numbers for Barcelona and Madrid in ballon d`or wins.
i honestly think that Rodri or Wirtz should win the ballon d`or.
Rodri??? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@713HoodRichCity Fã 😂
Cold!!!
i think whoever wins the cl, deserves the ballon d'or
2/4 semifinalists were German clubs so it strengthens Wirtz argument!
There is a reason vini always gets ucl man of the match cuz he is mr.Ucl Jr. 😉
Vini is the top favorite tor me,
bro the fact I got red tots wirtz makes me feel better bc of this conversation
the unbeaten record is of course very impressive but you have to take into account that they didn't play in the champions league this season
Without watching, I guess it's Wirtz. If you achieve an unbeaten treble, you should get it by default.
Wirtz definitely is good enough to be a serious contestant no question about it but I can tell you why no one is talking about him and why he will not win the Ballon d’or the ballon d’or is not about the players qualities and not even rly about the achievements of the team it’s about big names that’s why Mbappe is in that list Mbappe is definitely not as good as the other players on that list but the reason why he is probably gonna win this is bc he has a big name that’s also the reason why Messi was able to rob the trophy from Lewandowski (and bc he came to PSG) it’s a French trophy so in my opinion that boosted the decision for Messi and (that’s just my opinion) I feel like German players have it more difficult to get acknowledged I mean Wirtz is the perfect example for that he is so young and in the past he was already so good and then he got that injury and couldn’t play for 1 year but instead of becoming worse he became even better (don’t know how he managed to do that) and now he is one (maybe even the) best players at Leverkusen while they are playing such an unbelievable season and at such a young age even breaking bayerns 11 year dominance in the league in my opinion it’s a way bigger feat than winning laliga with Madrid its like winning the BL with Bayern even though I think Bellingham is a great player who would deserve that trophy no doubt about that
I believe Vini is too low. Even with his injury he’s contributed more to Goals than Kane & Foden I would say. Jude has slowed down A LOT since the beginning of the season. Genuinely think Vini should be topn3 considering foden is out of Champ league.
I feel like if Germany would do well at the Euros, I think you should at least consider a player like Toni Kross. I mean he has been excellent for RM and if Germany really goes far in the Euros he will 100% play a huge role in this team. Indeed, we would have a similar story to Luka Modric in 2018.
Jude got this one for sure
Rodri is never mentioned. Like what if Dortmund wins the UCL and Spain wins the Euros? That could leave Kane with no trophies, Jude with a La Liga title and Supercopa, and Foden with a Premier League title and maybe an FA Cup. The fact Rodri could be winning more titles than all the nominees with the Premier League, FA Cup, and Euros and still not get a mention in my eyes is disrespectful. Manchester City have earned more points when Rodri is playing than when Foden is playing. If Rodri wasn’t playing this season then City wouldn’t even be in the title race.
I hope Bellingham wins or Vini. Either way I’m just happy we’re getting a new winner!!
I need a video about Reus and Thiago Silva 😢 I genuinely feel old seeing them retire
They aren't retiring 🤦♂️ Silva is going home and Reus is gonna play for a lower team probably
@@davidumana9861 I meant generally seeing them retire, leaving clubs, not play at their peek anymore. Should have used different wording tho
None of the top5 deserve it at all. But honestly I can‘t think of anyone who deserves it more. Only Wirtz
This is crazy.. bellingham went missing in so many games. His highest grades and performance ratios are against smaller teams.. i think mbappe was also ghosting a lot. I think it should be vinicius 1 foden 2 kane 3.
There’s no favorite for the Ballon Dor this year as all the players are on the same level. Whoever wins the champions league and has a deep run in the EUROs, will win the Ballon Dor. No matter how well you play domestically, people value the champions league and international competitions and if you win one of them. Mbappe Bellingham Kane Vini Wirtz Rodri Foden etc are all strong contenders and I missing someone maybe I can throw Bernardo Silva into the mix Kroos Rudiger etc. . I think we’ll have a clear idea on who’s winning the Ballon Dor whoever wins the champions league and or the EUROs.
Imo the top 5 (in no particular order) deserve to be Vini, Bellingham, Mbappe, Wirtz and Kane. But I think the winner comes down to the Euros/Copa America. If France win the Euros, Mbappe will win. If Brazil win Copa America, Vini will win. If Germany win the Euros, Wirtz will win. If England win the Euros, I think Bellingham will win it over Kane, since didn’t win the Bundesliga or UCL.
Just statistic wise it would make sense and would be amazing to see but in reality its impossible since this award only goes to stars with bit PR
Imagine. Leverkusen unbeaten season. Munich Dortmund final. Germany wins Euros. What a year german football can have is crazy.
Reus is missing after they win against PSG and he scores a hattrick in the final to secure the champions league
KDB should have won it last year tbf. Haaland statistically was insane, but his stats without KDB behind him are mid at best. Shame nobody talked about him.
De Bruyne should be in the talks. The impact he’s had despite being injured for more than half the season isn’t normal at all
It's a whole of 2024. He's not a pink barbie fifa star girl for that. But KDB is so clear of the rest of the city squad even playing 3 months.
I think Wirtz could win it only if leverkusen win the treble and finish the whole season invincible then have good final or win the euros with Germany. This is the only scenario where he probably wins though
I mean it’s not unrealistic at all, leverkusen only has 5 games left to win the triple and win it all and Germany national team is good af rn
Vini jr. is the best player by a landslide.
These UCL matches coming up are gonna decide who wins it .
Dortmund could help Wirtz winning the Ballon D'Or
Kroos should have a case if germany wins.
He is the brain of madrid and germany
The only thing is that wirtz really doesnt have any bug game moments this year, except for that goal v Roma in the semis, but in their Bundesliga winning campaign he really doesn’t have any of the key moments to tie or win games, whilst other players like vini and Bellingham do have those factors, wirtz needs to show up in the rest of europa league, dfb pokal or the euros
Tell me You don‘t Watch the Bundesliga without Talking me, my man scored a Hattrick in the Bundesliga decidibg game
@@thanos9483 check the games that actually lead to that more than 10 point lead over bayern, and that “deciding” Bundesliga game was a 5-0 win at home with wirtz scoring a hatty after the game is already 2-0, that’s like saying asensio was key in the champions league final in 2017 bc he scored but the game was already 3-1😐 actually watch the games, both of the most important games against bayern in the bundes, wirtz got nothing, against dortmund when they tied nothing again, all those key late winners or tie making goals, wirtz had no direct hand in
@@stevencamacho1127 Europe League… man if You have no Clue, then please Don‘t Talk, Wirtz just turned 21 and he already plays world class. It wouldn‘t be horrendous if he won it, atleast Not as horrendous as messi last des Ballon dors.
@@thanos9483 your point makes no sense, just ignored everything I said, if u want to justify him being 21 in europa league and using that, then u can’t then go on and say he deserves the ballon d or, messi won it being world cup best player with a world cup campaign that only maradona can compare to, wirtz isn’t even the best player in Bundesliga, its Kane, nor is he the best performer in europa league and either, its prob auba. Just telling u, check the actual important games and deciding games for very team, and you’ll see that wirtz isn’t necessarily supposed to be in the ballon dor convo, he needs to show up in the europa league final and have an insane euros to be deserving of winning it
@@thanos9483 then he could win golden boy
didn't know germany had a player called "cruise"
Imo Toni Kroos deserves it, he dictates entire games all year, and dominates the passing stats
i love wirtz, but i firmly believe you need to be playing in the UCL to win the balon dor. only way i see wirtz having the slightest chance is if like dortmund win the UCL, germany win the euros and both vini and jude absolutely crashout
In my opinion Toni Kroos and Rodri should also definitely be in the running. They have been amazing. Same with Grimaldo. I personally think he deserves it even more than Writz. Also I didn't really notice Rudiger as much at the start of the season but recently he's definitely had more than Ballon d'Or worthy performances.
If you think grimaldo deserves it over wirtz you havent watched him play, he is literally the difference
As much as i like Grimaldo but it's him benefiting from playing with Wirtz not the other way
Shouldn't be based off how many trophies you win in a year to get ballon do'r, or how many goals you get, it should be based off of pure development and who has shined, because at the end of the day we don't get an say anyway, it is all politics.
There are two more players from that squad that should be in the discussion: Xhaka and Grimaldo.
wirtz needs dortrmond or Bayern to knockout one of those contenders from winning the ucl then its up to him to perform at the euros but a 50 games unbeaten plus 40 G/A and a treble is high level he just does not have Judes madrid pr but they are closer then people think
Did ppl forget that if Argentina win Copa America messi takes it again 🗿...that's how it works...
the only way Wirtz could win is if dortmund or win ucl (the only team left who doesnt have a super star). And than germany win euros. I hope that happens. If any other team wins ucl than kane, mbappe or jude will win depending on what team won ucl. If they go unbeaten and win euros he has to win
hahaha just finnished everything and you said the same thing. Damn, great minds think alike
If Bayern levercuzzy wins the treble and writz perform well in the euros he should be top five in balón d oro
As a Ronaldo fan if Ronaldo win euro who is by far the biggest think this year I also want him to win ballon dor when Messi can do it for a World Cup only wish way less goals while there was a guy called Haaland who won it all for club and literally break every record I am 100% seriously that I also wanna see Ronaldo win then but definitely not him who been the best by any way
imagine if dortmund wins the ucl and wirtz gets the ballon d'or
Wirtz undefeated treble and euros win he has to win but same for mbappe, jude and kane with ucl and euros win in lead role
Imagine talking about underrated when you guys are literally picking Wirtz over Grimaldo just because he's young and is an attacker
As a Leverkusen fan and as good as Grimaldo has been all season, let me tell you that Wirtz is way ahead. The opposition has to adapt their game plan completely to him.
@@MemoTea Stop it, nobody changes their tactics for Wirtz, or anyone else except Frimpong
@@tazzdamann You're delusional buddy
It all depends on the euros
Messi mudded the awards it doesn’t matter any more
Vinicius Jr Diving Award incoming
A bit odd that you talk about the German team and rattling down names without mentioning any Stuttgart players. Probably strongest team in Germany alongside Leverkusen (and they almost went up 3-0 against Leverkusen the other week and tied not due to some Leverkusen magic but a referee’s mistake). So give credit where credit is due: Undav, Führich, Anton, Stiller, Mittelstädt, etc
Wirtz > Foden tbh
its kinda realistic for him to win Ballondor if they win Europa League, DFPokal plus Bundesliga being unbeaten
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If the balon d'or depends on team performance as well that means that Haaland deserved it even more. He has better stats in a better league and he won the treble. 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
Nothing compares to World Cup
Ballon'Dor is bought for years now