“It was a difficult day for everyone in the courtroom.” Yeah. Except for Lori, that is. Monster. No remorse. Her own children, and she sits there smirking and laughing. Effing MONSTER.
_Lori's cousin told in an interview how Lori, when she was about 15, was driving at night with a boyfriend of hers and a cat was walking across the street...the boyfiend said to Lori he is going to try and run the cat over...which he proceeded to do. The cousin said Lori was NOT FASED AT ALL and continued to laugh and chat as if nothing had happened. We all know the first sign of being a psychopath as a child is cruelty to animals. I rest my case._
Hearing about how JJ was murdered just guts me. He must have been so afraid and terrified and confused. He must have wondered why his mom and uncle were hurting him and not helping him.
@@legally_ellecee1309 That is painfully obvious from some of the eye witness testimony. He seems to have retreated in upon himself, which, you know, anyone would do.
Chads demeaner in his phone call with Lori abt the police searching his property, sounds like defeat to me. He knows his minutes are numbered. His last ditch effort to escape by driving away from the scene, was done in a moment of sheer panic. His brains were scrambled trying to figure a way out of of the situation and his "fight or flight" kicked in
At that moment he went from sounding like this confident cult preaching type to a little child that knew he would spend the rest of his life in prison. So satisfying to hear. Where is your Lord saviour to save you now you monster along with that C.NT of a woman!!!!!
I believe Colby wouldn't have given up ...At this time his newborn baby was coming into the world ...Seems he's the only on to have escaped the clutches of this wicked women ..
@@donnasmall6032 yeah but he could have been wrapped up with that newborn baby for a year or two even before he really had time to go digging into his crazy Mom's family
You missed the most key moment of Summer’s phone call! Summer confronts her again about smiling on the beach getting married knowing her kids are dead and buried like garbage, and Lori says, “Yeah, *months* later!” - effectively admitting she knew they were dead, and giving us a big hint as to her motive for doing it (see: a child free beach wedding)
Yes, she said 3x damning things in my opinion including this statement. She mentioned it being months ago, that she didn't want to be alone, and that she had to move on. In my opinion, handing over her kids to be killed is as terrible as doing it herself.
I guess she has zero empathy, NPD and maybe also a sadistic personality disorder. My mother and brother have NPD, sadistic personality disorder and zero empathy. Such people are very dangerous and have no remorse killing people. Because they have zero empathy they don’t feel any guilt doing anything bad or evil to a other person. If they have a goal in life and a human is somehow in their way, they kill that person. Period. I am lucky that I am still alive (but disabled because of my evil family members). My dad was not that lucky. R.I.P. Dad 🥲💕
JJ's grandfather said that he thinks she is actually really nervous and she is using laughing and smiling to try and keep those negative feelings at bay.
Serial killers have described murder by asphyxiation (strangling) as one of the most difficult, time consuming and brutal ways to murder someone. So whoever did this, whether it was Lori, Chad, Alex or a combo of all of them had *time* to stop what they were doing. They saw each one of their victims struggle. That is the behavior of some truly evil people.
This is why I don't waste my emotions on narcissists, they do not care, they will not care, they don't know how. They stay calm, while they put those around them in knots. You'll make yourself crazy trying to get a point across. Lock them up. Walk away.
Genuinely I don't think this lady is a narcissist I think she's genuinely delusional. Like she legitimately has a delusional disorder. Look up the symptoms and it matches her behavior perfectly
I'm gonna assume yes, I think they thought they got off easy after Charles and Tammy's deaths weren't investigated by LE. They knew Tammy would ask about Loris kids etc plus wonder why CD was w a random single woman. I think the laughter in court is her last way of saying "f you" cuz she's mad she got caught. She enjoyed the thrill of watching ppl die, she wanted more and that's gone forever now.
She believed she was a reincarnated, teleporting goddess, on Earth to bring the second coming of Christ when not murdering her walking zombie children. So, yeah.
@@itsthatsvee exactly! DumbA$$es! Chandler police shouldn’t have investigated the shooting like they should always do and treat them all suspicious. Them clowns 🤡 didn’t even look into life insurance policies right away 🤷🏻♀️ if they had treated it like a homicide like it blatantly was instead just f self defense Alex and Lori would have been charged and those children and Tammy would still be here. But due to there slow investigations 3 more people were murdered
Oh she absolutely did! She was so convinced she was meant to be with Chad,that she WAS a goddess and this is what God was telling them to do. She’s smiling in court because she’s not too worried,this will all work out! I wonder how smiley she will be after a few months in a hopefully rough prison! So many disturbed criminals play the God card, if “ God asked them to do those things,how could it be wrong” in their own eyes,they are very important to Gods final plan! Problem being, that God has nothing to do with the evil humans do to others in his name !
Lo dudo... Está Mujer comenzó a tener esos comportamientos cuando conoció a este sujeto. Lamentablemente es una persona desequilibrada que entró en ebullición al conocer a este sujeto. El que tenía intereses económicos, y decía ver "animales" a quienes disparar era su marido, según entiendo. Los dos culpables por igual, uno por hacerlo, el otro por permitirlo, idearlo. Son un horror que escapa a nuestro entendimiento.
I can't repeat this enough. A Coroner is not a Medical Examiner. They have less education and only do very basic examinations, as ordered. They are not qualified to determine things like asphyxia via such-and-such method. The Coroner did nothing wrong - and things go this way more often than you'd guess. Also, at the time, no one had any reason to suspect that there was a murder plot in the works.
I’d like to know what insurance company pays out half a million dollar with no questions asked. Anyone who has ever tried to file a claim with insurance companies know it’s like pulling teeth. ESPECIALLY if 2+2 doesn’t equal 4. Tammy was young and healthy and no one said “boo”. Ridiculous.
@@franceshaypenny8481hat’s the problem. They didn’t suspect anything. Except the victim was young and fit and randomly died in her sleep? AND that pauses are usually the culprit. But those red flags were ignored and THAT is the problem. Edit- spouses are the usual suspects (google won’t let me change the above text, sorry)
Oh my ... I knew that early on. By time I was three years old, I would sneak out of the house at night into the safety of the dark, because I knew that all of the monsters were in the house and I thought they wouldn't be able to find me in the dark. I still feel safe outside in the dark.
I think what Audrey testified to was arguably more important than what Melanie Gibb testified to. Lori pretty much described the death scenes of Tylee and possibly JJ to Audrey, while also threatening Audrey’s life. Audrey’s testimony was huge and alarming to me. I also think that is why the defense attorney came at Audrey so hard.
You're spot on. So far, most questions nether help nor hurt her. You're left wandering what was the reason behind that question? You'll have to watch some of Chad's trial. John Pryor is shockingly mean and in the end you will despise him. He tries to make out like everyone is lying. In the long run I think he will actually help the Prosecution find Chad guilty. Plus no innocent person would ever hire such a terrible attorney.
I agree. M G and Z testimony were not that significant. They went along with LV until it would incriminate them and then only then did they help police. A did not.
There will never be enough punishment or Justice for what these evil people have done to the most precious gifts of all, children. My heart hurts for these precious children. It's unimaginable what they went through. May LVD and everyone who has blood on their hands be forever haunted by their actions.
I'm not a religious person whatsoever and don't follow the teachings of any church. but I know God exists. I have faith that there will be appropriate justice in the next world. Seeing Lori's appearance since being in custody, I think Karma has already gotten ahold of her. I don't think anything mattered to her more than her looks. Well, she's easily aged 20 yrs in 3. I wonder if that narcissist Chad Daybell would still consider her his beautiful Goddess if he could see her now! Her ugly, evil insides are now showing!
JJ was only 7 years old. Lori couldnt have taken too much care of him. What a selfish narcissistic killer. She talked to Chad much differently than her own son on the phone. I thought I had seen the most evil people possible until Lori, Alex and Chad appeared.
Listening to this a second time, I realize that the poor court recorder is sniffling and holding back tears while typing away. This has to be so very hard to do with these brutal cases.
I actually assumed it would be a long time before I witnessed another person as narcissistic, wicked and utterly selfish as Alex Murdaugh. ........Wrong.
I get the oddest feeling there were two people that killed Tammy. He can't hold her down AND suffocate her with a pillow at the same time. The bruises are very telling.
Only now on this case it will make you rethink the justice system. It's been unjustice since day one. It's like Russian roulette and how much money you have that ways in your favour. Sad really
I don't think Chad wanted to be bothered with J. J. and Tylee did not like Chad. They could not get rid of J. J. and not Tylee, but, they wanted the money. Getting rid of those children was not a problem for either one of those self centered devil's.
I hope that things wrap up soon. I always get angry because when I see someone sitting there smiling and acting like that it's seems to show that they are not sorry for what they did. It's hard to think about what happened to those children and see her showing no remorse.
Regarding the question of whether Lori was present when JJ was killed, here is what I wonder. Melanie G's hubby had a horrific nightmare and Melanie went and knocked on Lori's door to get a casting or something to help whatever caused it in their minds. But Lori didn't answer her door. The next morning when Melanies now hubby asked to see JJ to say goodbye, Lori said he wasn't there. I think Lori was present when JJ was restrained at the very least.
JJ was in Lori's bedroom with her and Chad, after being carried upstairs, seemingly asleep??, by Alex. The next day no JJ. Speaks for itself really and no doubt why tape had hair on it from the floor of her room
If, only if, this was a cult, and I think it was, David didn’t had any nightmare, he witnessed the murder of JJ. Pay close attention to how they both dismiss JJ because of his handicap. MG and David are as evil as Chad and Lori. All of them are, Zulema and everyone that heard about zombies and did nothing to save them.
I wonder what the nightmare was. I think the guy is a total quack, but I remember they interviewed a guy who cleaned out the apartment and he said it was just the weirdest, darkest place he had ever dealt with. What awful energy must have been in all of these places.
@@rosesweetcharlotte I think in Ian's case, as in so many others, it's a generational thing. The beliefs they were bought up with. Surrounded by. Churches they attended. It allows them then as adults, to be taken in by those such as Chad
All 3 who witnessed Charles being killed, are now dead. I honestly believe Alex disabled Charles and Lori killed him with the second shot when he was already wounded on the ground. He said she was adamant that she will kill him. The police did not do their job then. Nor did they test Loris hands for gunshot residue. I also think she assisted when they tied up JJ.
@Leena Wexler, could you explain that for me a bit? “It is not the job of the police to protect individual citizens from harm” Who then, is it their job to protect from harm?
@Leena Wexler wow. What do we even have police officers then? Why their motto is protect and serve if it´s fraudulent?Are we in UK now where they swear an oath to protect the unelected cartel instead of the people?
LVD couldn't let others take Tylee...Tylee would have told what really happened to Charles...and JJ was a spiteful move toward Kay and Larry...she would never let others take them
I think it was more about money. She didn't want kids, but she needed the money they brought in. And she was so delusional that she had convinced herself that they were posessed
I think she and Alex killed Tylee’s father Joe and got away with it. They became emboldened and then killed Charles… thought they got away with and kept attempting to kill (shooting at Brandon and Tammy) and killing both kids. She is a psychopath. 😢
I've been following this case ever since Nate Eaton went to Hawaii to follow them and I agree with you this case has become more disturbing than I could've ever imagined because all the little details are coming out that we never heard or saw before, although most of it we've already known. But some of the details like about the kids and JJ being smothered in the plastic bag I mean my God I just can't even imagine my children being murdered I would probably end up in prison going after the murderer I can't imagine hurting my kids
I must to bring back the awkward phone call from the Watts family in prison, they are disturbing. Summer and Colby are right, rage is what I see if someone hurt my kids, nephews and nieces. I need it to be medicated when my sister passed away, I can’t imagine not struggling with such a brutality against children.
The moment they showed their mugshots on national tv saying they dipped out amidst a welfare check for the kids, I knew Tylee and JJ were dead and I let hope that they weren't keep me glued to this case.... I honestly think the only other case I was glued to like this was Shannan/Cici/Bella Watts murders
I just can't imagine dying from suffocation like that. It would take so long! And all the while, he must have been wondering why his mother was hurting him or wouldn't help him
Lori said during the conversation with her sister that she knew when JJ and Tylee died when she said "Two months ago" which was almost exactly the time from the time Lori was married to Chad in November detectives say they died September .. You have to listen very carefully to the whole conversation
Anyone who knew what the penalty was for "being dark" or "a zombie," who knew that Charles, Tylee, JJ, and Tammy had been declared as such YET DID NOTHING TO STOP IT, are guilty of complicity, conspiracy, right along side Chad & Lori. Why are they free? Why do they skate, when they did everything but "pull the trigger?"
When Melanie phoned Lori to ask her why she was saying JJ was with her. I think she knew dann well what had happened to the kids but knew that Lori wouldn’t mention it on the phone. Lori asked are you ringing on behalf of the police is this a recorded call? Because she knew it didn’t sound like her friend Melanie who knew everything. Melanie did know everything and should be charged with conspiracy to murder too.
I'm the one that spent hours at the hospital for Tylee, etc. Yeah, so what? That is what a parent has to do sometimes. That would seem it would make her more frantic, more attached to those children.
I have a big question about Lori‘s hair on JJ’s body. If Lori‘s hair is on his shirt then it could’ve been transferred to him earlier in the day. But if Lori‘s hair is on tape, that is on the outside of the plastic, then she was there when the plastic was being applied. I understand JJ was wrapped in layers of plastic. So if Lori‘s hair is in between the layers of plastic and stuck to the duck tape, then that means Lori was there when he was being bound, or at least, when his body was being bound into the plastic and duct tape. So where EXACTLY was Lori’s hair found on JJ’s body???
As someone with linger hair, my hair gets everywhere. I can totally see some of her hair just getting onto the tape. I think she's guilty, I just don't think the hair is really the damning evidence.
@@rosesweetcharlotte I have long hair and all kinds of rolls of tape and the few I looked at, that I use frequently, there is none. Now, the used parts have... 🤷♀️
@@vitalucas9452 yea but the duct tape was probably chad’s. In the amount of time Chad and Lori were together I doubt she was in his shed using the duct tape. This isn’t the same as your duct tape that’s in your house that you’ve been in for years
I wish she was held accountable for the death of her first husband. Nobody listened to him and even his death has been disregarded by the police that didn’t hear him.
I feel awful for all the people they killed! the person they trusted most, looking into their eyes as they choked the life out of them! OMG! Lori & Chad were only out for themselves, at all costs! Evil
Can I just say something that I haven't seen anyone else bring up are Tylee's hospital frequent visits... What if Lori was the cause of those hospital visits? How do we know Tylee wasnt a victim of Munchausen by proxy?
Diagnosis of pancreatitis, so there're labs that can back that up. But it's weird in a kid, who knows?! There would be painkillers and other meds for that condition..maybe mom did woo woo healing and let the kid suffer instead.
@@awesomesmasher999ftw4 "I heard that a doctor brought up munchhouser by proxy years ago." Interesting ... And that totally fits with Lori being a such narcissist. Lori's family of origin was so weird and obsessed with appearances that I could see Lori harming Tylee and making her very sick to try to force Tylee to be thinner so Lori could be proud of Tylee. All along I've felt that Tylee not being a cheerleader type, like Lori was, may have been a big issue for Lori.
I'd like to know how Melanie Pawlowski can feature so heavily in all this evidence (as virtually a little mini-Lori) and not have any arrest warrant out for her????
According to Larry and Kay's speech to reporters, Brandon does have a trial in the works (including as well as Charles' case and Chad's). So watch this space for Melanie to be arraigned 🤞
I have come to the conclusion, thus far, that she is the ring leader in all,of this. But because she bats her eyes at people and has been able to win people over through being charming to there faces. Shes as guilty as a guilty person can be, may e worse because she brutally murdered her innocent loving children. The DP should never have been taken off the table for her.
If this turns out to be another “Casey Anthony “ situation, where Lori skates Scott-free, I am going to be livid & completely DONE with the American judicial system!
You nailed it, Jesse! She never says what she knows happened and she admitted she knew but the rest of us don’t know because we weren’t there. So if she didn’t do it then why all the secrets?!? She knew, maybe she didn’t kill them with her own hand but she’s the reason their dead. And her telling Summer she can’t talk about it and if she was innocent she would talk about it.
This is definitely one of the most disturbing cases out right now. One I'm sure NO ONE can possibly wrap their head around. How can any mother do such a horrible thing as this & find it funny is extremely disturbing. She's either very mentally disturbed & needs to be locked in a mental institution for the rest of her life without ever coming out or in prison for the rest of her life!
Two things you missed out. 1. Lori said to MG that she knew where kids were and they were safe and happy. 2. Audrey’s testimony that Lori threaten to kill her and how….pretty significant if Audrey is to be believed.
I noticed the threats made to Audrey sounded similar to how Lori threatened Charles. Also, this threat would have come before the children were discovered. It also sounds eerily like the information Chad gave to Zulema about in a former life she had been R'd, killed and dismembered. These people are evil. I believe Audrey.
Because of how they died, and time frame, I believe it is quite possible, that Mr Ryan's and Alex's death (they "gave a blessing" before his death (like they also did others) could also be murders. Thank you, Crystal
Does anyone know if they’ve talked about the storage unit at the trial?? Remember early on when the kids were reported missing, and there was security cameras footage of them moving the kids’ stuff into a storage unit?
She keeps saying, You weren’t there, you don’t know what happened, not the FBI, they weren’t there…” How does she alone know what happened? She repeats it and talks over Colby, seems it was very important to her… Nobody was there?
It was so heartwrenching to hear Lori Vallow's sister crying and saying she would have taken the kids, everyone would have taken them.Those poor kids had their lives snuffed out because of maniacs and the spouses of Chad and Lori. Imagine the terror these children must have felt as their lives were taken. Just sickening. They can look forward to a long life "apart" in separate prisons. Not the togetherness she wanted.
To me, if I was a juror, the fact that the duck tape came from her apartment is evidence enough of her guilt! The hair could have come from the time JJ was killed or not, but THE TAPE CAME FROM HER!!!
Does anyone else find it rather suspicious that Melanie Gibb stayed with Lori in Arizona right before Charles was killed. And then fast forward a couple of months and she stayed the night with Lori in Rexburg right before JJ was killed. How much did Melanie really know?
“They love me”…😢exactly …the ultimate betrayal…. they trusted you to protect them with YOUR life, but who sadly is still alive while those poor babies are gone in a horrific slaughter😭
Hey, @law&crime, it would be amazing if yall could add audio subtitles to the calls and such. Itd be a blessing bc youtube's option isnt always available nor accurate.
I have been using “Daybell’ to explain killing someone so you can run off and have an adulterous affair, without divorcing!! Well at least I didn’t Daybell him!
During the search you can hear the guiltiness in his voice. Eventually during a search like that, they will find what they are looking for. I think he realized that. Yeah. They are both guilty of this.
Hearing Colby yell at his mom was sad but great to hear at the same time. He deserved to show so much anger at her and he didn’t deserve to lose his siblings the way he did. It reminds me of this Michigan case where this mom, whose daughter was murdered by a “friend.” and she screams at her killer in court.
What I'd like to know: who got immunity for testifying? Is that public record? I'd actually bet money on it. I'd bet on Melanie G., Melanie P. (still waiting for HER testimony!) as well as Zulema.
The followers had prior knowledges of Tammy's and JJ's short life statements and nobody called the cops! They, too, are guilty for hiding informations! Each witnesses hit the nails for Lori's and Chad's coffins of guilt! Both should have been in trial together! The witnesses and the public has to go through this hearthbreaking and gruesome case again.
I wonder if Lori had botox treatments, before, because look at how much better Tammy looked, her face was smooth, and Lori's was all wrinkly [ most likely from being out in the sun a lot ], but now she can't have those treatments, and those puffy lines on either side of her nose are so visible, that is all I see when I see her face.
I definitely think so. Tammy seemed like a very healthy woman who maybe didn't have access to botox and treatments, but she took great care of herself. Lori isn't eating great anymore, she doesn't have access to the same plastic surgery and makeup, and she just be under a lot of stress.
Jesse.. no smoking gun? I adore you, but this whole trial is a smoking gun. Specifically Lori buying the wedding rings on her murdered husband's account while Chad's wife was still breathing (but not for long).. and the one that not everyone is picking up on.. Lori saying "MONTHS LATER" to her sister where she attempts again to be the victim.. and Chad telling ANYONE who would listen that Tammy was going to die. And like countless others to comment on. Her demonic goose is COOKED (shout out to Tammy who loved geese).
I don't think Lori will have any problems with that. Lori has already entirely justified to herself that she had no choice but to kill them. It was the only way she could live the life she felt she deserved. The rest of us smucks try to live our lives by getting a job, but Lori was too smart to do it the hard way.
There is a special place in Hades for the murderers of children. These monsters don't tend to enjoy their stay in prisons, either because they are full of inmates who may've committed crimes, but at least still love & protected their own kids.
While there is no smoking gun, other than the hair DNA, there is overwhelming circumstantial evidence to convict. All of it points to Lori not only as a conspirator, but as the ringleader.
Chad killed Tammy, IMO. He would do it "privately." I predict that one of these nights, Lori is going to wake up screaming, having just dreamed of the deaths of JJ and Tylee. She'll look around her and see nothing but bars and cement, and realize that she, too, has been buried alive. "
You know what, if they hadn’t killed the kids, they would had gotten away with killing their spouses. Because non of the family on both side had not gone to the police for suspicious of deaths of their spouses.
People need to go back 3 years ago and see the reading that Donna Seraphina had done on JJ and Tylee, this was months before anyone knew they were dead. She describes the manner in which they were murdered and the EXACT way they would be found. Donna has worked on many missing children cases and has provided LE with information that has lead to finding these kids.
I just found her u tube Chanel I couldn’t believe how accurate she was / is as soon as I heard it I stopped thinking LVD and Chad were mentally sick now I believe it was satanic and what she described was horrifying
Yes, for sure people should listen to that reading. I couldn’t believe how accurate Donna Seraphina was with the manner of death and the way the children were buried. She definitely has a gift.
It's chilling that Tylee lied to help her mother and uncle get away with murdering Charles, and that she and her brother were later murdered by her mother also. If she told the truth, maybe her mother would have been locked up before.
Some of the sickest things done to humans by other humans are done under the guise of religion.… A false sense of righteousness is the most wicked and evil thing.
I usually skip over videos to do with this tragedy, the revulsion I feel for that pair & what they did to those children, I am at a loss to understand how a brain/ brains can operate in these twisted ways of Narcissism, N is something I will never understand, having been targeted by one, I don't get what THEY get out of being such cowardly spiteful humans, that type of brain function does not compute. Poor Children, their last moments of understanding what was going to happen to them ❤❤😢
In January 2020, Revered Donna Seraphina described the both incidents with the kids. Lori was the one to throw the bag over JJ’s head and then a man crossed the room to help her. Reverend Donna even spoke about the PJ’s JJ was wearing and the duct tape.
If chad and lori dont get convicted I would lose all hope in hunanity because these people were diabolical. JJ was there when charles was shot and she just gets him breakfast and takes him to school like cool have a good day don't tell anyone your adoptive father was murdered this morning Freaking sick 😢
Alex had the same pink foam that Tammy did. Her death was mislabeled as natural and then corrected. Is anyone going to exhume him as well? I just feel like everybody keeps getting everything wrong and backtracking
Annelle Weller I've been a rock collector all my life. The fact that they would used MALACHITE which is poisonous in their wedding rings has never been brought up! Am I the only one that knows malachite can make you sick?
Very sloppy, lazy work by the police with respect to the death of Tammy Daybell. She had bruising on her arms--blunt injuries--and it's hard to believe that police didn't notice the bruising or wonder how a healthy 49-year-old would suddenly die. A serious look at Chad's life would have revealed that he was having an affair.
Like the malignant narcissist that she is: She makes everything about her. Always playing the victim but the real victims are Tylee, JJ, Charles and Tammy. She wanted every penny she could squeeze out them. JJ and Tylees monthly SS checks that amounted to $4,000. Charles had a Life Insurance Policy of a million dollars that originally made Lori the beneficiary ....she would soon find out Charles changed the beneficiary to his sister, Kay Woodcock..JJ's biological grandma. Tammy's Life Insurance that made a paid out to Chad of over $420,000.
@@Stacy- Joe Ryan's life insurance went to Tylee, but Lori was 'managing' the money for Tylee. With Tylee dead, Lori got to keep the money. I read it was $350,000 somewhere ...
Lori says, You weren't there you don't know what happened, to Colby. Then she says, "They know the truth and I know the truth." in reference to Tylee and JJ and herself. This suggests she was there when they died. She is horrifying... and believes they'll be fine with what she's done in a supposed afterlife?? She's lost a few screws along the way and needs to be locked away for the remainder of her life.
“It was a difficult day for everyone in the courtroom.” Yeah. Except for Lori, that is. Monster. No remorse. Her own children, and she sits there smirking and laughing. Effing MONSTER.
Agree 100%!
_Lori's cousin told in an interview how Lori, when she was about 15, was driving at night with a boyfriend of hers and a cat was walking across the street...the boyfiend said to Lori he is going to try and run the cat over...which he proceeded to do. The cousin said Lori was NOT FASED AT ALL and continued to laugh and chat as if nothing had happened. We all know the first sign of being a psychopath as a child is cruelty to animals. I rest my case._
Agree sick twisted psychopath xxx
So do you guys think she’s a monster ?
Hearing about how JJ was murdered just guts me. He must have been so afraid and terrified and confused. He must have wondered why his mom and uncle were hurting him and not helping him.
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When Lori is found guilty, can we just put a plastic bag over her head, then burn, dismember, and crudely bury her body? THAT wold be justice!
I have thought about his last days way too much….he must of all been so scared and confused in his last few weeks wondering where Tylee was. 💔
@@legally_ellecee1309 That is painfully obvious from some of the eye witness testimony. He seems to have retreated in upon himself, which, you know, anyone would do.
@@rosesweetcharlottehow did he get murderd
Poor Colby his siblings murdered by his own Mother. Life changing. Hope he recovers without ruining his own life.
Chads demeaner in his phone call with Lori abt the police searching his property, sounds like defeat to me. He knows his minutes are numbered. His last ditch effort to escape by driving away from the scene, was done in a moment of sheer panic. His brains were scrambled trying to figure a way out of of the situation and his "fight or flight" kicked in
Very well said
The gig was up! 😂😂 It screamed “we are effed!” And gone were the sexed up voices! 😂😂😂
At that moment he went from sounding like this confident cult preaching type to a little child that knew he would spend the rest of his life in prison. So satisfying to hear. Where is your Lord saviour to save you now you monster along with that C.NT of a woman!!!!!
@yvonnehunter5634
Very well said. Bravo. 👏
Also, if Kay and Larry hadn’t been diligently looking for the kids, this could’ve been far more destructive. I mean NOBODY else was looking for them!
I believe Colby wouldn't have given up ...At this time his newborn baby was coming into the world ...Seems he's the only on to have escaped the clutches of this wicked women ..
@@donnasmall6032 yeah but he could have been wrapped up with that newborn baby for a year or two even before he really had time to go digging into his crazy Mom's family
@Itmatt Ersnot One thing I'm sure of ...WE will never know what really happened...even with the best evidence..It's a little worrisome really ..
You missed the most key moment of Summer’s phone call! Summer confronts her again about smiling on the beach getting married knowing her kids are dead and buried like garbage, and Lori says, “Yeah, *months* later!” - effectively admitting she knew they were dead, and giving us a big hint as to her motive for doing it (see: a child free beach wedding)
Wow! I didn’t catch that. I hope the prosecutors did
@@kathywatson7822I’m pretty sure that’s why it was evidence the jury heard 😂
THIS
Yes, she said 3x damning things in my opinion including this statement. She mentioned it being months ago, that she didn't want to be alone, and that she had to move on. In my opinion, handing over her kids to be killed is as terrible as doing it herself.
@@joank.0421 it most certainly is! The jury will find Lori guilty on all 3 counts of conspiracy for sure!
I imagine how terrified these kids were and it hurts me inside.
I cant stop crying
As my Mother used to say, ‘Hanging’s too good for them.’
@@Chafflives she was right 😔
@@TabithaJones-rg9igok....lol
You're not alone😔💔
That Lori Vallow has the gall to smile in court knowing that her two children were murdered and buried in Chad's yard makes my skin crawl.
Hi Mel, are you from TCRS? Good to see you here🌷.
And Lori seems absolutely fine with everything. The level of calm acceptance is chilling.
I guess she has zero empathy, NPD and maybe also a sadistic personality disorder. My mother and brother have NPD, sadistic personality disorder and zero empathy. Such people are very dangerous and have no remorse killing people. Because they have zero empathy they don’t feel any guilt doing anything bad or evil to a other person. If they have a goal in life and a human is somehow in their way, they kill that person. Period.
I am lucky that I am still alive (but disabled because of my evil family members). My dad was not that lucky. R.I.P. Dad 🥲💕
JJ's grandfather said that he thinks she is actually really nervous and she is using laughing and smiling to try and keep those negative feelings at bay.
@@SN-bl6xm that just sounds like sociopathy at that point
Serial killers have described murder by asphyxiation (strangling) as one of the most difficult, time consuming and brutal ways to murder someone. So whoever did this, whether it was Lori, Chad, Alex or a combo of all of them had *time* to stop what they were doing. They saw each one of their victims struggle. That is the behavior of some truly evil people.
This is why I don't waste my emotions on narcissists, they do not care, they will not care, they don't know how. They stay calm, while they put those around them in knots. You'll make yourself crazy trying to get a point across. Lock them up. Walk away.
I agree
And once people realize this, there's finally peace.
Genuinely I don't think this lady is a narcissist I think she's genuinely delusional. Like she legitimately has a delusional disorder. Look up the symptoms and it matches her behavior perfectly
I am going to need anger management after these cases
How could she have done this????? she killed her babies!!!!!
Why ?
My heart was breaking 💔 listening to her talking with her son. 😢
Her sister was also painful to hear. 😢
Her calm voice while her sister is extremely grief stricken about LORI'S kids tells you all you need to know.
@@Mewse1203 yes it sure does!
That sister and mother were so on Lori's side. It was sickening to watch them on TV defending those monsters.
Did she HONESTLY think she would get away with all of this?
Actually yes and she still does 😂
I'm gonna assume yes, I think they thought they got off easy after Charles and Tammy's deaths weren't investigated by LE. They knew Tammy would ask about Loris kids etc plus wonder why CD was w a random single woman. I think the laughter in court is her last way of saying "f you" cuz she's mad she got caught. She enjoyed the thrill of watching ppl die, she wanted more and that's gone forever now.
She believed she was a reincarnated, teleporting goddess, on Earth to bring the second coming of Christ when not murdering her walking zombie children. So, yeah.
@@itsthatsvee exactly! DumbA$$es! Chandler police shouldn’t have investigated the shooting like they should always do and treat them all suspicious. Them clowns 🤡 didn’t even look into life insurance policies right away 🤷🏻♀️ if they had treated it like a homicide like it blatantly was instead just f self defense Alex and Lori would have been charged and those children and Tammy would still be here. But due to there slow investigations 3 more people were murdered
Oh she absolutely did! She was so convinced she was meant to be with Chad,that she WAS a goddess and this is what God was telling them to do. She’s smiling in court because she’s not too worried,this will all work out! I wonder how smiley she will be after a few months in a hopefully rough prison! So many disturbed criminals play the God card, if “ God asked them to do those things,how could it be wrong” in their own eyes,they are very important to Gods final plan! Problem being, that God has nothing to do with the evil humans do to others in his name !
I don’t believe even Stephen King could write a fictional horror book of this kind.
I agree
Already in the works
I am scared to ever visit Utah if Mormons are like that.
I personally think Lori was the mastermind in these murders.
So do I
Lo dudo... Está Mujer comenzó a tener esos comportamientos cuando conoció a este sujeto. Lamentablemente es una persona desequilibrada que entró en ebullición al conocer a este sujeto. El que tenía intereses económicos, y decía ver "animales" a quienes disparar era su marido, según entiendo. Los dos culpables por igual, uno por hacerlo, el otro por permitirlo, idearlo. Son un horror que escapa a nuestro entendimiento.
If that coroner isn't fired and required to reimburse the insurance company for the payout shame on that county. Total incompetence.
I agree.
I can't repeat this enough. A Coroner is not a Medical Examiner. They have less education and only do very basic examinations, as ordered. They are not qualified to determine things like asphyxia via such-and-such method. The Coroner did nothing wrong - and things go this way more often than you'd guess. Also, at the time, no one had any reason to suspect that there was a murder plot in the works.
@@franceshaypenny8481 That is one thing the actual medical examiner got across pretty well.
I’d like to know what insurance company pays out half a million dollar with no questions asked. Anyone who has ever tried to file a claim with insurance companies know it’s like pulling teeth. ESPECIALLY if 2+2 doesn’t equal 4. Tammy was young and healthy and no one said “boo”. Ridiculous.
@@franceshaypenny8481hat’s the problem. They didn’t suspect anything. Except the victim was young and fit and randomly died in her sleep? AND that pauses are usually the culprit. But those red flags were ignored and THAT is the problem.
Edit- spouses are the usual suspects (google won’t let me change the above text, sorry)
As a child i never imagined that all of the real monsters in the world would be humans.
Especially by my precious Mama..
Oh my ... I knew that early on. By time I was three years old, I would sneak out of the house at night into the safety of the dark, because I knew that all of the monsters were in the house and I thought they wouldn't be able to find me in the dark. I still feel safe outside in the dark.
Wow, that was deep. I agree
@@marelinem541 So many of us in the world grew up like this. My Mother tried to kill me 3 times.
Spot on. Fairy tales full of evil humans doing such scary stuff, it was a warning.
I think what Audrey testified to was arguably more important than what Melanie Gibb testified to. Lori pretty much described the death scenes of Tylee and possibly JJ to Audrey, while also threatening Audrey’s life. Audrey’s testimony was huge and alarming to me. I also think that is why the defense attorney came at Audrey so hard.
100%
You're spot on. So far, most questions nether help nor hurt her. You're left wandering what was the reason behind that question?
You'll have to watch some of Chad's trial. John Pryor is shockingly mean and in the end you will despise him. He tries to make out like everyone is lying. In the long run I think he will actually help the Prosecution find Chad guilty. Plus no innocent person would ever hire such a terrible attorney.
We?
I agree. M G and Z testimony were not that significant. They went along with LV until it would incriminate them and then only then did they help police. A did not.
Yep
Are we sure they didn’t kill Alex as well?
No. He was cremated, as was Tylee's Dad Joe Ryan. No way ever find out.
I think Alex killed himself bc he knew he was the fall guy and knew it wasn't going to be long before he was going to be arrested.
It would seem sooooo given the circumstances.
I was thinking the same thing 😮
I think stress from all that cause him to die.
Lack of empathy and arrogance towards her sister and son Colby. No descriptive words that can explain Lori Daybell’s behaviour. 🤷♀️👹
I actually thought she was the most emotional with her sister, though that isn't saying much.
Malignant narcissism.
There will never be enough punishment or Justice for what these evil people have done to the most precious gifts of all, children. My heart hurts for these precious children. It's unimaginable what they went through. May LVD and everyone who has blood on their hands be forever haunted by their actions.
So be it.
I know but they needed the kids out of the way.
We found someone more disgusting then Casey Anthony.
I'm not a religious person whatsoever and don't follow the teachings of any church. but I know God exists. I have faith that there will be appropriate justice in the next world. Seeing Lori's appearance since being in custody, I think Karma has already gotten ahold of her. I don't think anything mattered to her more than her looks. Well, she's easily aged 20 yrs in 3. I wonder if that narcissist Chad Daybell would still consider her his beautiful Goddess if he could see her now! Her ugly, evil insides are now showing!
@@yvonnehunter5634 Agreed 100. Karma has no deadline.
JJ was only 7 years old. Lori couldnt have taken too much care of him. What a selfish narcissistic killer. She talked to Chad much differently than her own son on the phone. I thought I had seen the most evil people possible until Lori, Alex and Chad appeared.
Listening to this a second time, I realize that the poor court recorder is sniffling and holding back tears while typing away. This has to be so very hard to do with these brutal cases.
That’s Colby on the stand listening to the recording as he is testifying.
I believe that’s Summer on the stand crying whilst listening to the call as it enters evidence.
over here they are called stenographers. A dying breed that runs in the Serrenghetti
Colby was most definitely sobbing
That was not the court reporter, but Colby.
I never thought there would be two people that needed a shovel to the face so badly as much as LVD and Chad. Absolutely evil.
I actually assumed it would be a long time before I witnessed another person as narcissistic, wicked and utterly selfish as Alex Murdaugh. ........Wrong.
And Letitia Stauch
@@summertimerobot437cant forget that evil witch
Casey Anthony
I get the oddest feeling there were two people that killed Tammy. He can't hold her down AND suffocate her with a pillow at the same time. The bruises are very telling.
I guess if he had his legs holding her down, but then there would be more injuries to her chest.
I think he had Alex help.
It’s not an odd feeling. That’s literally how it went down. It’s the only way.
It's not very hard for a large man to get on top of a smaller woman and force her face down into a pillow when she is vulnerable and sleeping.
I'm pretty sure it was Alex. Alexs device pinged there the night Tammy was murdered
If this jury don't find her guilty I just don't know how to feel what this so call American justice system.
No worries Rose. The jury is going to get it right for Lori and for Chad when his time comes. Guilty
I believe with all my heart she will be found guilty. I totally understand how you feel.
Casey Anthony!!!
Only now on this case it will make you rethink the justice system. It's been unjustice since day one. It's like Russian roulette and how much money you have that ways in your favour. Sad really
@@jeanettecoleman-mz7ie Yep and OJ Simpson.
It's interesting hmmm a coincidence that Jo Ryan and Alex Cox both died of heart issues - I believe that Lori was directly connected
Agreed!
Don't forget Tylee dad, Joseph Ryan, who was Lori's 1st or 2nd husband. He died too
He was husband #3
Yess! They should look that up too
She hides behind "you weren't there". Its her MO with everyone who dares to confront her
Oh she was there when the deaths were happening by her own words
It’s alarming how she smiles and laughs. She is evil.
I truly believe she’s so delusional. She thinks this is all a joke, and that God’s going to save her from all of this ,really delusional thinker.
Your right she is
I don't think Chad wanted to be bothered with J. J. and Tylee did not like Chad. They could not get rid of J. J. and not Tylee, but, they wanted the money. Getting rid of those children was not a problem for either one of those self centered devil's.
I hope that things wrap up soon. I always get angry because when I see someone sitting there smiling and acting like that it's seems to show that they are not sorry for what they did. It's hard to think about what happened to those children and see her showing no remorse.
Regarding the question of whether Lori was present when JJ was killed, here is what I wonder. Melanie G's hubby had a horrific nightmare and Melanie went and knocked on Lori's door to get a casting or something to help whatever caused it in their minds. But Lori didn't answer her door. The next morning when Melanies now hubby asked to see JJ to say goodbye, Lori said he wasn't there. I think Lori was present when JJ was restrained at the very least.
JJ was in Lori's bedroom with her and Chad, after being carried upstairs, seemingly asleep??, by Alex. The next day no JJ. Speaks for itself really and no doubt why tape had hair on it from the floor of her room
If, only if, this was a cult, and I think it was, David didn’t had any nightmare, he witnessed the murder of JJ. Pay close attention to how they both dismiss JJ because of his handicap. MG and David are as evil as Chad and Lori. All of them are, Zulema and everyone that heard about zombies and did nothing to save them.
I wonder what the nightmare was. I think the guy is a total quack, but I remember they interviewed a guy who cleaned out the apartment and he said it was just the weirdest, darkest place he had ever dealt with. What awful energy must have been in all of these places.
@@rosesweetcharlotte I also wonder if the nightmare really was just a nightmare, or if he actually witnessed the actual events that took place
@@rosesweetcharlotte I think in Ian's case, as in so many others, it's a generational thing. The beliefs they were bought up with. Surrounded by. Churches they attended. It allows them then as adults, to be taken in by those such as Chad
All 3 who witnessed Charles being killed, are now dead. I honestly believe Alex disabled Charles and Lori killed him with the second shot when he was already wounded on the ground. He said she was adamant that she will kill him. The police did not do their job then. Nor did they test Loris hands for gunshot residue. I also think she assisted when they tied up JJ.
@Leena Wexler even when Charles told them he was afraid she was going to harm the children ?
@eboston7591The police did not do there job. They completely failed that investigation involving charles death.
@Leena Wexler, could you explain that for me a bit? “It is not the job of the police to protect individual citizens from harm” Who then, is it their job to protect from harm?
@Leena Wexler wow. What do we even have police officers then? Why their motto is protect and serve if it´s fraudulent?Are we in UK now where they swear an oath to protect the unelected cartel instead of the people?
LVD couldn't let others take Tylee...Tylee would have told what really happened to Charles...and JJ was a spiteful move toward Kay and Larry...she would never let others take them
She wouldn't let anyone else take them because she'd lose the monthly payouts. It has to do with the money
Tylee was also going to turn 18 soon, and that means she'd be in control of her own money and her own life. No more Lori telling her what to do.
I think you’re both right
I think it was more about money. She didn't want kids, but she needed the money they brought in. And she was so delusional that she had convinced herself that they were posessed
I think she and Alex killed Tylee’s father Joe and got away with it. They became emboldened and then killed Charles… thought they got away with and kept attempting to kill (shooting at Brandon and Tammy) and killing both kids. She is a psychopath. 😢
I've been following this case ever since Nate Eaton went to Hawaii to follow them and I agree with you this case has become more disturbing than I could've ever imagined because all the little details are coming out that we never heard or saw before, although most of it we've already known. But some of the details like about the kids and JJ being smothered in the plastic bag I mean my God I just can't even imagine my children being murdered I would probably end up in prison going after the murderer I can't imagine hurting my kids
I pray for her sister...her son...the family...I cried listening to this family's response to her revolting self.
I must to bring back the awkward phone call from the Watts family in prison, they are disturbing. Summer and Colby are right, rage is what I see if someone hurt my kids, nephews and nieces. I need it to be medicated when my sister passed away, I can’t imagine not struggling with such a brutality against children.
The moment they showed their mugshots on national tv saying they dipped out amidst a welfare check for the kids, I knew Tylee and JJ were dead and I let hope that they weren't keep me glued to this case.... I honestly think the only other case I was glued to like this was Shannan/Cici/Bella Watts murders
I just can't imagine dying from suffocation like that. It would take so long! And all the while, he must have been wondering why his mother was hurting him or wouldn't help him
Lori said during the conversation with her sister that she knew when JJ and Tylee died when she said "Two months ago" which was almost exactly the time from the time Lori was married to Chad in November detectives say they died September .. You have to listen very carefully to the whole conversation
Anyone who knew what the penalty was for "being dark" or "a zombie," who knew that Charles, Tylee, JJ, and Tammy had been declared as such YET DID NOTHING TO STOP IT, are guilty of complicity, conspiracy, right along side Chad & Lori. Why are they free? Why do they skate, when they did everything but "pull the trigger?"
Totally agree. I heard they made some kind of freedom deal to give information. Can’t remember what it’s called.
When Melanie phoned Lori to ask her why she was saying JJ was with her. I think she knew dann well what had happened to the kids but knew that Lori wouldn’t mention it on the phone. Lori asked are you ringing on behalf of the police is this a recorded call? Because she knew it didn’t sound like her friend Melanie who knew everything. Melanie did know everything and should be charged with conspiracy to murder too.
Both Zulema and Melani P should have been charged with conspiracy
@@lululiga333 Agree. That call was to cover her @ss.
I'm the one that spent hours at the hospital for Tylee, etc. Yeah, so what? That is what a parent has to do sometimes. That would seem it would make her more frantic, more attached to those children.
Honestly, that just makes it all worse. She goes from this super caring mother who did everything for her kids to, well, this
I have a big question about Lori‘s hair on JJ’s body. If Lori‘s hair is on his shirt then it could’ve been transferred to him earlier in the day. But if Lori‘s hair is on tape, that is on the outside of the plastic, then she was there when the plastic was being applied. I understand JJ was wrapped in layers of plastic. So if Lori‘s hair is in between the layers of plastic and stuck to the duck tape, then that means Lori was there when he was being bound, or at least, when his body was being bound into the plastic and duct tape. So where EXACTLY was Lori’s hair found on JJ’s body???
As someone with linger hair, my hair gets everywhere. I can totally see some of her hair just getting onto the tape. I think she's guilty, I just don't think the hair is really the damning evidence.
I am certain that my long hair is on my duct tape too.
But I also agree. She is guilty of more than we even want or need to know.
@@rosesweetcharlotte she and Chad are both guilty
@@rosesweetcharlotte I have long hair and all kinds of rolls of tape and the few I looked at, that I use frequently, there is none. Now, the used parts have... 🤷♀️
@@vitalucas9452 yea but the duct tape was probably chad’s. In the amount of time Chad and Lori were together I doubt she was in his shed using the duct tape. This isn’t the same as your duct tape that’s in your house that you’ve been in for years
I wish she was held accountable for the death of her first husband. Nobody listened to him and even his death has been disregarded by the police that didn’t hear him.
What's the difference she never getting out
I feel awful for all the people they killed! the person they trusted most, looking into their eyes as they choked the life out of them! OMG! Lori & Chad were only out for themselves, at all costs! Evil
Can I just say something that I haven't seen anyone else bring up are Tylee's hospital frequent visits... What if Lori was the cause of those hospital visits? How do we know Tylee wasnt a victim of Munchausen by proxy?
Diagnosis of pancreatitis, so there're labs that can back that up. But it's weird in a kid, who knows?! There would be painkillers and other meds for that condition..maybe mom did woo woo healing and let the kid suffer instead.
I heard that a doctor brought up munchhouser by proxy years ago.
Yes a doctor diagnosed that in medical record years ago
That or her nerves wrecked by her mom-beast.
@@awesomesmasher999ftw4 "I heard that a doctor brought up munchhouser by proxy years ago."
Interesting ... And that totally fits with Lori being a such narcissist.
Lori's family of origin was so weird and obsessed with appearances that I could see Lori harming Tylee and making her very sick to try to force Tylee to be thinner so Lori could be proud of Tylee.
All along I've felt that Tylee not being a cheerleader type, like Lori was, may have been a big issue for Lori.
I'd like to know how Melanie Pawlowski can feature so heavily in all this evidence (as virtually a little mini-Lori) and not have any arrest warrant out for her????
And 1 shooting attempt towards her husband who also had a insurance policy,after LVD finding out she was cut off by her soon to be ex husband.....
According to Larry and Kay's speech to reporters, Brandon does have a trial in the works (including as well as Charles' case and Chad's). So watch this space for Melanie to be arraigned 🤞
I feel the same ,she must be tried for the attempt on Brandon life .
I have come to the conclusion, thus far, that she is the ring leader in all,of this. But because she bats her eyes at people and has been able to win people over through being charming to there faces. Shes as guilty as a guilty person can be, may e worse because she brutally murdered her innocent loving children. The DP should never have been taken off the table for her.
If this turns out to be another “Casey Anthony “ situation, where Lori skates Scott-free, I am going to be livid & completely DONE with the American judicial system!
oh god please god don’t say that
The system been messed up for a long time already
You nailed it, Jesse! She never says what she knows happened and she admitted she knew but the rest of us don’t know because we weren’t there. So if she didn’t do it then why all the secrets?!? She knew, maybe she didn’t kill them with her own hand but she’s the reason their dead. And her telling Summer she can’t talk about it and if she was innocent she would talk about it.
Lori has aged 20 years in the last 4!! Her beauty is gone, gone, gone!
This is definitely one of the most disturbing cases out right now. One I'm sure NO ONE can possibly wrap their head around. How can any mother do such a horrible thing as this & find it funny is extremely disturbing. She's either very mentally disturbed & needs to be locked in a mental institution for the rest of her life without ever coming out or in prison for the rest of her life!
Two things you missed out. 1. Lori said to MG that she knew where kids were and they were safe and happy. 2. Audrey’s testimony that Lori threaten to kill her and how….pretty significant if Audrey is to be believed.
I noticed the threats made to Audrey sounded similar to how Lori threatened Charles. Also, this threat would have come before the children were discovered. It also sounds eerily like the information Chad gave to Zulema about in a former life she had been R'd, killed and dismembered. These people are evil. I believe Audrey.
ABSOULTLEY SHE IS TO BE BELIEVED!
Listening to Lori's sister is heartbreaking 💔
🩷🩵🩷🩵🩷🩵🩷🙏🩵🩷🩵🩷🩵🩷🙏🩵🩷 Tylee and JJ💔❤️🩹💟🕊♡
Because of how they died, and time frame, I believe it is quite possible, that Mr Ryan's and Alex's death (they "gave a blessing" before his death (like they also did others) could also be murders. Thank you, Crystal
Does anyone know if they’ve talked about the storage unit at the trial??
Remember early on when the kids were reported missing, and there was security cameras footage of them moving the kids’ stuff into a storage unit?
I think it’s been mentioned but the video has not been shown
She keeps saying, You weren’t there, you don’t know what happened, not the FBI, they weren’t there…”
How does she alone know what happened? She repeats it and talks over Colby, seems it was very important to her…
Nobody was there?
She was there is what she was implying
It was so heartwrenching to hear Lori Vallow's sister crying and saying she would have taken the kids, everyone would have taken them.Those poor kids had their lives snuffed out because of maniacs and the spouses of Chad and Lori. Imagine the terror these children must have felt as their lives were taken. Just sickening. They can look forward to a long life "apart" in separate prisons. Not the togetherness she wanted.
Another sad case may the victims rest in peace 🕊️
To me, if I was a juror, the fact that the duck tape came from her apartment is evidence enough of her guilt! The hair could have come from the time JJ was killed or not, but THE TAPE CAME FROM HER!!!
Does anyone else find it rather suspicious that Melanie Gibb stayed with Lori in Arizona right before Charles was killed. And then fast forward a couple of months and she stayed the night with Lori in Rexburg right before JJ was killed. How much did Melanie really know?
Everything IMO
“They love me”…😢exactly …the ultimate betrayal…. they trusted you to protect them with YOUR life, but who sadly is still alive while those poor babies are gone in a horrific slaughter😭
Hey, @law&crime, it would be amazing if yall could add audio subtitles to the calls and such. Itd be a blessing bc youtube's option isnt always available nor accurate.
YES YES YES
I have been using “Daybell’ to explain killing someone so you can run off and have an adulterous affair, without divorcing!! Well at least I didn’t Daybell him!
Like "a Loraina Bobbett."
During the search you can hear the guiltiness in his voice. Eventually during a search like that, they will find what they are looking for. I think he realized that. Yeah. They are both guilty of this.
Not that he felt guilty for murdering children, but the stress of knowing what was about to come to light.
@@marelinem541 Yeah that's right
Hearing Colby yell at his mom was sad but great to hear at the same time. He deserved to show so much anger at her and he didn’t deserve to lose his siblings the way he did. It reminds me of this Michigan case where this mom, whose daughter was murdered by a “friend.” and she screams at her killer in court.
What I'd like to know: who got immunity for testifying? Is that public record? I'd actually bet money on it. I'd bet on Melanie G., Melanie P. (still waiting for HER testimony!) as well as Zulema.
“ in the house?” That made it clear to,e that she knew there was a possibility they were NOT in the house… otherwise why ask him that …wow
What we find with psychopathic narcissists is that everything is all about them. Empathy is completely lacking.
The followers had prior knowledges of Tammy's and JJ's short life statements and nobody called the cops! They, too, are guilty for hiding informations!
Each witnesses hit the nails for Lori's and Chad's coffins of guilt! Both should have been in trial together! The witnesses and the public has to go through this hearthbreaking and gruesome case again.
I wonder if Lori had botox treatments, before, because look at how much better Tammy looked, her face was smooth, and Lori's was all wrinkly [ most likely from being out in the sun a lot ], but now she can't have those treatments, and those puffy lines on either side of her nose are so visible, that is all I see when I see her face.
I definitely think so. Tammy seemed like a very healthy woman who maybe didn't have access to botox and treatments, but she took great care of herself. Lori isn't eating great anymore, she doesn't have access to the same plastic surgery and makeup, and she just be under a lot of stress.
Narcissists like Laurie are truly terrifying
Psychopath, not just narcissist.
Jesse.. no smoking gun? I adore you, but this whole trial is a smoking gun. Specifically Lori buying the wedding rings on her murdered husband's account while Chad's wife was still breathing (but not for long).. and the one that not everyone is picking up on.. Lori saying "MONTHS LATER" to her sister where she attempts again to be the victim.. and Chad telling ANYONE who would listen that Tammy was going to die. And like countless others to comment on. Her demonic goose is COOKED (shout out to Tammy who loved geese).
Right! It’s such a smoking gun it’s got COPD, lung cancer and sees a pulmonologist on the regular. This whole case is a Marlboro ad. It’s horrible.
This all makes me so sad. I hope every day of her remaining years she sees the faces of her children and her dead husbands.
Meh. I think she wouldn't care, or even feel proud she dispatched 'demons' or some crap. I'd rather she woke up every day to a boot in her face.
I believe her demons will show their faces every day
I don't think Lori will have any problems with that. Lori has already entirely justified to herself that she had no choice but to kill them. It was the only way she could live the life she felt she deserved.
The rest of us smucks try to live our lives by getting a job, but Lori was too smart to do it the hard way.
There is a special place in Hades for the murderers of children. These monsters don't tend to enjoy their stay in prisons, either because they are full of inmates who may've committed crimes, but at least still love & protected their own kids.
While there is no smoking gun, other than the hair DNA, there is overwhelming circumstantial evidence to convict. All of it points to Lori not only as a conspirator, but as the ringleader.
The fact that they were happy and smiling at their wedding in Kauai right after they murdered the 2 kids... Absolutely disgusting.
A small request, please post words for the calls. Don't hear well. I don't recall her once ever saying," I did not kill my children".
Poor Colby 😢
Thanks for this wonderful summary! It is very well done. I heard all of this, yet having them all brought together is definitely proves guilt.
Chad killed Tammy, IMO. He would do it "privately." I predict that one of these nights, Lori is going to wake up screaming, having just dreamed of the deaths of JJ and Tylee. She'll look around her and see nothing but bars and cement, and realize that she, too, has been buried alive. "
Nope. In her version of the story, Lori Vallow Daybell will always be the victim.
She sits there like she’s watching a circus performance. Completely checked out of reality.
Chad has already said he was sleeping with Tammy at the time of her death , so he already confessed if Autopsy is true
You know what, if they hadn’t killed the kids, they would had gotten away with killing their spouses. Because non of the family on both side had not gone to the police for suspicious of deaths of their spouses.
People need to go back 3 years ago and see the reading that Donna Seraphina had done on JJ and Tylee, this was months before anyone knew they were dead. She describes the manner in which they were murdered and the EXACT way they would be found. Donna has worked on many missing children cases and has provided LE with information that has lead to finding these kids.
I just found her u tube Chanel I couldn’t believe how accurate she was / is as soon as I heard it I stopped thinking LVD and Chad were mentally sick now I believe it was satanic and what she described was horrifying
Yes, for sure people should listen to that reading. I couldn’t believe how accurate Donna Seraphina was with the manner of death and the way the children were buried. She definitely has a gift.
Thanks so much for this update, Jesse. I was way behind on this case. Love your coverage!
Very convenient how only lori's kids are dark spirits but all 5 of chads kids are okay
What’s the point of playing tapes that we can’t hear the words? Put subtitles on.
It's chilling that Tylee lied to help her mother and uncle get away with murdering Charles, and that she and her brother were later murdered by her mother also. If she told the truth, maybe her mother would have been locked up before.
Some of the sickest things done to humans by other humans are done under the guise of religion.… A false sense of righteousness is the most wicked and evil thing.
I usually skip over videos to do with this tragedy, the revulsion I feel for that pair & what they did to those children, I am at a loss to understand how a brain/ brains can operate in these twisted ways of Narcissism, N is something I will never understand, having been targeted by one, I don't get what THEY get out of being such cowardly spiteful humans, that type of brain function does not compute.
Poor Children, their last moments of understanding what was going to happen to them ❤❤😢
In January 2020, Revered Donna Seraphina described the both incidents with the kids. Lori was the one to throw the bag over JJ’s head and then a man crossed the room to help her. Reverend Donna even spoke about the PJ’s JJ was wearing and the duct tape.
Who?
All guesswork and $$$$
Who is her?
She's a psychic Reverend Donna Seraphenia and she has a TH-cam channel
@@lesleyhughes3174 - You’re wrong. I didn’t believe either until she nailed numerous pieces of their recovery FOUR months before they were found.
That smug smile on Lor!’s face is revolting!
If chad and lori dont get convicted I would lose all hope in hunanity because these people were diabolical. JJ was there when charles was shot and she just gets him breakfast and takes him to school like cool have a good day don't tell anyone your adoptive father was murdered this morning
Freaking sick 😢
Then gets his dog sold then his sister is murdered then he gets murdered completely tragic
JJ was probably already in the car. He would have heard the shot, but perhaps not have known what it meant.
JJ, Tylee, Chad, and Tammy deserve justice. I hope they’re resting peacefully
Alex had the same pink foam that Tammy did. Her death was mislabeled as natural and then corrected. Is anyone going to exhume him as well? I just feel like everybody keeps getting everything wrong and backtracking
Alex was cremated.
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I've been a rock collector all my life. The fact that they would used MALACHITE which is poisonous in their wedding rings has never been brought up! Am I the only one that knows malachite can make you sick?
Very sloppy, lazy work by the police with respect to the death of Tammy Daybell. She had bruising on her arms--blunt injuries--and it's hard to believe that police didn't notice the bruising or wonder how a healthy 49-year-old would suddenly die. A serious look at Chad's life would have revealed that he was having an affair.
Like the malignant narcissist that she is: She makes everything about her. Always playing the victim but the real victims are Tylee, JJ, Charles and Tammy. She wanted every penny she could squeeze out them. JJ and Tylees monthly SS checks that amounted to $4,000. Charles had a Life Insurance Policy of a million dollars that originally made Lori the beneficiary ....she would soon find out Charles changed the beneficiary to his sister, Kay Woodcock..JJ's biological grandma. Tammy's Life Insurance that made a paid out to Chad of over $420,000.
She received 6000 a month total for Tylee and JJ- apparently it wasn’t enough
Its very obvious this was about money, greed lust revenge!
And this was first tested to a successful murderous outcome on Joseph Ryan.
She also got the insurance payout from Joseph Ryan's death too. Why he still had her as the beneficiary is crazy. I don't remember the amount though.
@@Stacy-
Joe Ryan's life insurance went to Tylee, but Lori was 'managing' the money for Tylee. With Tylee dead, Lori got to keep the money. I read it was $350,000 somewhere ...
Lori says, You weren't there you don't know what happened, to Colby. Then she says, "They know the truth and I know the truth." in reference to Tylee and JJ and herself. This suggests she was there when they died. She is horrifying... and believes they'll be fine with what she's done in a supposed afterlife?? She's lost a few screws along the way and needs to be locked away for the remainder of her life.
Imo they gave Alex something that couldn't be detected .
Her 1st husband definitely was her 1st kill.
Joe Ryan was actually her second husband