FYI: Vigor does not need to be *that* fast, I didn't rune him or anything else specifically for this, I just used the runes they had on them. Also you don't need crit damage on water homie, go spd/hp/acc you'll be fine, and all lower path skills are best for him here. Also Malaka gets even better on vio, but he was already on fatal/focus for arena and I didn't change him.
I feel like this is in the same kind of position that's lab hard and hell were in when they first came out and that it probably could stand to be scaled back a bit. Not a lot mind you, but just a bit. Floor two needs something like 265 speed after towers and since that's faster than floor one I can only imagine that you're going to be needing near 285+ by the time you get to floor 10. Unless the intention is if you're not at least conqueror RTA level you're not supposed to be able to do this at which point good job it is working as intended.
No its just trash.Its neither for both of them justan opportunity for whales to flexx on some nerds,that they spent their dads house on a mobile game cuz endgame players are 99.9% whales anyways and they dont give shit about the rewards nor the content(which is gonna get boring in at least 3months)
@@tytongames6781 why is it bad that the End endgame players are actually getting some difficult pve content? Might as well keep them around instead of making them want to quit. Its Hell mode and it feeling like hell mode is good. Only problem is it shouldnt cost energy to play and the rewards suck.
Ugh, I'm not even considering doing this even tho I kinda have the runes to do it, too much time and stress for a bunch of ms and a devilmon (cuz probably I won't be able to go for the ld o legend scrolls) I'll keep autoing toah with my 5* tyron Nice video tho Gz on vigor runes btw
@@paulgoogol2652 stop right there. This is HELL. If it doesn't feel like HELL why is it Hell? You idiots getting pissy about toa hell being hard is so annoying. The actual problem here is the rewards are absolute trash.
@@marielcarey4288 So it is not an issue that you can forget about this if you have no Rica/Verad/Gaynimede after 1500 days of fairly active playing? Well ok then, Mr Whale.
@@paulgoogol2652 I'm a dolphin, only spent about £150 on this game but that was like 4 years ago. To be fair though yeah having no rica or verad or Isis makes toahl... hell. Haha
@@paulgoogol2652 so you think you shouldve pulled them in that time? Good joke. You literally commenting under a video that shows that you dont need them. What is the surpose? And I think the other guy is right. Its end game content, its hell. What tf are they supposed to give us? There is content for every stage of players and the goal is to get good enough to beat them one day. You acting like com2us never gives anything
I got to stage 4 using tyron, spectra, water homunculus, loren, and Jeanne but I don’t think I can get past stage 4 because of the wind snipers and molly
lets not forget to tell the newbies that ur runes are end ga,e g3 quality runes and a very small percentage of the co,,unity will be able to do this....i just saw kid in chat all pissed off and hurt because he coppied your team and tried for an hour...i looked at his runes...5/6 star ..white green blue....average of 2 to 9 speed? he wouldst have been able to pass the first wave no matter what mons he had om that account thx for the awesome content as always the kid was really upset and we want people to have fun and stick around and not leave sw...so please make sure they know this is endgameish type content that requires runes to match.
I Did Toa hell stage one with a pretty much f2p team Tyron lead loren spectra 2 Verd and EVEN a Mav level 35 haha its all about the runes :) high speed on tyron spectra and loren with at least 60/70 accuracy and lets goooooo spectra and mav on violent for me. I didnt even bother removing my rage runes from my verd, tyron and loren was on swift :) gg Thanks for the video I ll be waiting for stage 2 hehe :) By the way im Mid game no early not late mid game just mid game i just farm a lot to get good runes now i really want to focus on doing good in arena because for now my best was f3 but i actually never did much there and my towers are not maxed, only cd is maxed tho
I went in there once to see how it is, got destroyed on the first turn. RNG wasnt in my way and freeze didnt stick. but im not focused on that right now. what im focused on is more runes. just farming stuff to upgrade my runes
It is challenging indeed. But now I have a reason to give my toa units better runes :D I have Rica, Verad and could even use a Frigate but my runes aren't good enough to clear this easily.
I wonder if dark homunculus would be good for toa hell. Unbalanced field will increase your speed and decrease your cool time on skills and vice versa on all opponents
me: finished toa normal for the first time me: didn’t know toa hell exist until i saw a video me: tries toa hell thinking it won’t be that bad *regret and embarrassment*
@@kostakisxwl9642 i got it with jamire poseidon jeanne bellenus fran. Jamire(could use dark homie or even mav) helps to keep Jeanne provoking so you can keep your water CC alive for stage 1
No, hes useless. All 5 slots are INSANELY important, and verde doesn't do near enough to fit into one of those 5 stars. (coming from someone with 18 stars)
Bagel: Bombs are now 1 turn in this stage, use bombs Me, using the only lnd nat 5 I have for almost toa only since its stupid Nyx and I dont have Rica: My bombs are always 1 turn...
I use shaina, sabrina, eirgar, fran and bella on toa team and it beat toa ez but only until like 48 to 50 on toa hard so now toa hell is gonna be brutal
Everytime i tried and failed on 1st floor immediately after update, i was hearing bagel shouting at me to FARM MORE RUNES! 😂😂 so i went to farm and never got decent runes. Welp today's not my day
rip, my tyron is just 5* and not full skilled up. Because he works at that way in my toa and toah team. I tryed wit Fran, Rica, Taurus, Delphoi and Bernard. ´ Works okay, but i can't clear yet. So i think i should try something else.
@@red_dll I have it, 100% ready. But no skill ups to make it 2A. Everytime I summon, they keep giving me grim reapers and racuni. I even farm tamon desert and, the rewards are unspeakable
Taor. Tyron reduces more consistently but you need to land slow first so it cancels out and if the consistency is similar might as well go for more damage
Isnt toah 4 a chiwu and 2 megans + wind sylphids? Just use fran loren kro and if you wanna be fancy bring a buff blocker like fire lizard or ling ling then fill the last slot with a cooldown buff like Mav, Dark homu To be fair you can just swap the buff block for jeanne and try keep the megans and sylphids provoked
nice, now you can do toa hell easily as soon as you have them all on violent or despair 265+ spd / 30k+ hp. so yeah...in predator runes didn't matter...in toa hell if you are not on g1 runes at the minimum -> good luck!
My Kumar, with over 13k base HP, has the same HP as your Vigor, but with, like, 70 speed less lmao I don't think I have the runes for doing toa hell ;-;
In my opinion I would've rather seen a revamp of toa and toah. I do enjoy the difficulty of it though, even if it makes me bang my head against the wall at times.
i am certainly disappointed you did not mention that toa-hell units have 220 speed, even more disappointed you didnt mention dark homu which significantly reduces both rune and skillup requirements for toa
Unfortunately, I think the rewards are bad. Well the end players have something to do but why do the devilmons need them? They need the midplayers the most and they have problems in Hell. I don't even manage the first level although I've been playing for over 4 years and without breaks. Now the midplayers have a carrot in front of their nose that they will never reach unless they spend a lot more money and time and the endplayers get what they no longer need
FYI: Vigor does not need to be *that* fast, I didn't rune him or anything else specifically for this, I just used the runes they had on them. Also you don't need crit damage on water homie, go spd/hp/acc you'll be fine, and all lower path skills are best for him here. Also Malaka gets even better on vio, but he was already on fatal/focus for arena and I didn't change him.
Baretta loren spectra verde verad or any cc, hell 1-3
Better freeze or stun?
I beat toa in 7 days in my new acct. is that a world record?
Would Nyx be able to affect the harmful effects only 1 turn?
Dark homu with unbalanced field would probably do better then vigor
Bagel: 10 minutes a stage? And 10 stages? 10 Video ideas!
10 videos every stage lmao so total 100 videos.. $$$
@@yohanespaskal9352 toa hell is 10 stages
@@kezimik9293 and every stage has 3 difficulties xd
@@iAmNothingness he's only doing the hardest
@@kezimik9293 I know. But bagel gonna use stupid things as usual right? wkwkwkwk to make 10 videos every stage. That's a jokes dude... Like wtf.
this ToA hell actually make me realize how suck my speed sub roll is 😂
Yo i was like that at the start but all you actually need is base plus 140 speed and you're good to 30 stars. With ehp and acc ofcourse.
"I used the bombs to destroy the bombs."
I feel like this is in the same kind of position that's lab hard and hell were in when they first came out and that it probably could stand to be scaled back a bit. Not a lot mind you, but just a bit. Floor two needs something like 265 speed after towers and since that's faster than floor one I can only imagine that you're going to be needing near 285+ by the time you get to floor 10. Unless the intention is if you're not at least conqueror RTA level you're not supposed to be able to do this at which point good job it is working as intended.
as Bagel said - it is *very* hard and *not* for early game players. this is the end game content.
no one is doubting that
bagel said that.
No its just trash.Its neither for both of them justan opportunity for whales to flexx on some nerds,that they spent their dads house on a mobile game cuz endgame players are 99.9% whales anyways and they dont give shit about the rewards nor the content(which is gonna get boring in at least 3months)
@@Tk.Bogarts Yep, 100% whale garbage content.
@@tytongames6781 why is it bad that the End endgame players are actually getting some difficult pve content? Might as well keep them around instead of making them want to quit. Its Hell mode and it feeling like hell mode is good. Only problem is it shouldnt cost energy to play and the rewards suck.
Ugh, I'm not even considering doing this even tho I kinda have the runes to do it, too much time and stress for a bunch of ms and a devilmon (cuz probably I won't be able to go for the ld o legend scrolls)
I'll keep autoing toah with my 5* tyron
Nice video tho
Gz on vigor runes btw
10 mysticals is the funniest joke I've heard from com2us since the release of labyrinth
Bagel: Rica, Verad and Gany teams make it easy mode
Me: *uses team gets wiped*
FARM
MORE
RUNES
!!!
i personally use rica gany and dark ryou and just straight up perma stun em with ryou
@@p4n3k03k ah yeh sure, lemme just summon this super easy unit no biggie xD
@@p4n3k03k that's nice for the 10 people that have him xD
@@valentinbojan4500 hes not giving advice, he just wants to flex with his mob
Bagel, Fire griffin helped a lot. Why not replace Loren for the griffin?
Thanks for the tutorial, crowd control and only got hit once. Thanks
Amazing Vigor bagel
cant wait for videos on stage 4 and 5
😂 I went with a crazy high risk team
Tyron, Loren, Mellia, Verd, and Spectra and it worked 😅🤷♂️
Theonly thing i hate about toa hell is the reward is underwhelming and they should make it 0 energy Anything else is fine.
And make it not feel like late stage cancer.
@@paulgoogol2652 stop right there. This is HELL. If it doesn't feel like HELL why is it Hell? You idiots getting pissy about toa hell being hard is so annoying. The actual problem here is the rewards are absolute trash.
@@marielcarey4288 So it is not an issue that you can forget about this if you have no Rica/Verad/Gaynimede after 1500 days of fairly active playing? Well ok then, Mr Whale.
@@paulgoogol2652 I'm a dolphin, only spent about £150 on this game but that was like 4 years ago. To be fair though yeah having no rica or verad or Isis makes toahl... hell. Haha
@@paulgoogol2652 so you think you shouldve pulled them in that time? Good joke. You literally commenting under a video that shows that you dont need them. What is the surpose? And I think the other guy is right. Its end game content, its hell. What tf are they supposed to give us? There is content for every stage of players and the goal is to get good enough to beat them one day. You acting like com2us never gives anything
Another question Bagel, my team is verde, poseidon, dover, water homunculus and loren would I need to swap anything out or leave it the way it is?
Dang. I opened youtube to see this and dang was i disappointed. I thought this was a Malaka video. Still good though
Bagel I have a question about your Homunculus. Why did you choose the solo freeze hit over the AoE freeze hit?
I got to stage 4 using tyron, spectra, water homunculus, loren, and Jeanne but I don’t think I can get past stage 4 because of the wind snipers and molly
"hm maybe I can beat a couple floors" *sees rune quality* "lets go work on my db12 team..."
*lets get a db12 team
@@elliottrogers735 He already probably has a db12 team but he just needs a better one.
Notice how we got predator, a manual play mode. Now toa hell. A manual play mode. Trying to counter the disengagement of autofarm?
Amazing
lets not forget to tell the newbies that ur runes are end ga,e g3 quality runes and a very small percentage of the co,,unity will be able to do this....i just saw kid in chat all pissed off and hurt because he coppied your team and tried for an hour...i looked at his runes...5/6 star ..white green blue....average of 2 to 9 speed? he wouldst have been able to pass the first wave no matter what mons he had om that account thx for the awesome content as always the kid was really upset and we want people to have fun and stick around and not leave sw...so please make sure they know this is endgameish type content that requires runes to match.
Water hell lady or fire Phoenix? Can’t decide on who i should pick.
just fyi extending harmful effects does work use dark dryad and it extended to 2 turns
I Did Toa hell stage one with a pretty much f2p team Tyron lead loren spectra 2 Verd and EVEN a Mav level 35 haha its all about the runes :) high speed on tyron spectra and loren with at least 60/70 accuracy and lets goooooo spectra and mav on violent for me. I didnt even bother removing my rage runes from my verd, tyron and loren was on swift :) gg
Thanks for the video I ll be waiting for stage 2 hehe :) By the way im Mid game no early not late mid game just mid game i just farm a lot to get good runes now i really want to focus on doing good in arena because for now my best was f3 but i actually never did much there and my towers are not maxed, only cd is maxed tho
Oof i farm a lot too but i dont get good roles and Not much ok- good runes
@@pattt6532 I feel ya its a marathon, endless quest ... can be frustrating , gotta love the grind
Is the dark homunculus with unbalanced field good here?
I went in there once to see how it is, got destroyed on the first turn. RNG wasnt in my way and freeze didnt stick. but im not focused on that right now. what im focused on is more runes. just farming stuff to upgrade my runes
Can u make a tierlist from every unit for toa hell? I mean, dont do the bad units. Just the a and s ss sss units
Each stage is very different with the goals, so the monsters used are different. I had good luck on the first 3 floors with gany hathor tho
all I see here is the amounts of violent procs Bagels units get :D
I'm more curious what he would do when he reach the stage where you can't CC
Just exit the game instantly haha
It is challenging indeed. But now I have a reason to give my toa units better runes :D
I have Rica, Verad and could even use a Frigate but my runes aren't good enough to clear this easily.
I wonder if dark homunculus would be good for toa hell. Unbalanced field will increase your speed and decrease your cool time on skills and vice versa on all opponents
It's heavily dependable on the floor conditions/limits. Withouh those yes, dark homu is very good there!
Nice vigor there , mine has similar hp and def except cd slot 4 and lacking 20 speed (which I still think is decent , right ?)
What was that last frame? xD
me: finished toa normal for the first time
me: didn’t know toa hell exist until i saw a video
me: tries toa hell thinking it won’t be that bad
*regret and embarrassment*
I saw Sean B go through toa hell, and I was like "WTF?" when I saw the stage 7 boss.
I got a very nice artifact for Malaka, and I thought, "If I only I built Malaka". Well, there is my reason to build him.
Hey Bagel, instead of Malaka could I use Dover(Light bomber)?
Oh wait never mind, I watched the video further. Alright thx alot Bagel. Keep up the good content!
Patiently waiting for floor 4 that shit impossiblleeeeee
I can feel u bro. 1st wave is hard. If i set a team to p@ss wave 1 i die at final wave
@@kostakisxwl9642 i got it with jamire poseidon jeanne bellenus fran. Jamire(could use dark homie or even mav) helps to keep Jeanne provoking so you can keep your water CC alive for stage 1
Bagel, this video didn't appear on my notif.
i feel that swift verdehile will be the carry in toa hell
but they're might be atb push nerf in some stage idk
No, hes useless. All 5 slots are INSANELY important, and verde doesn't do near enough to fit into one of those 5 stars. (coming from someone with 18 stars)
@@christianw6819 Depends on you team, I guess.
Verad, Rica, Loren, Verde, Frigate/Mav could work
So how much speed and acc?
My toah team does absolutely nothing to the enemy so clearly 65% isn't enough
Trash waves are around 215-220, Boss stage they're 235-240 from what I can tell.
The res might as well be 100% on them lol
YEAH MORE MALAKA!!!
Having 30-45 second caiross teams and can auto toah but at the same time can’t do stage 1 only he’ll mode feels bad
Thats weird bro
I use rica verad and still loss cause of enemy resistance and not super runes =(
What means RTA?
As a casual player with Rica and verad I accept your half luck
Bagel: Bombs are now 1 turn in this stage, use bombs
Me, using the only lnd nat 5 I have for almost toa only since its stupid Nyx and I dont have Rica: My bombs are always 1 turn...
Well don‘t have water homunculus but luckily I have a Verad ^^
I use shaina, sabrina, eirgar, fran and bella on toa team and it beat toa ez but only until like 48 to 50 on toa hard so now toa hell is gonna be brutal
Nice I have all those units ..... oh wait my runes are crap
Just a little tip for you guys. Swift Verde is really effective.
how can you do Toa Hell? it is so hard
Well he is late game
Does he optimize accounts for people? Or does anyone know anyone legit who optimizes or grinds runes for people?
I wanted a video showing me how to use my gany, rica properly :(
SeanB used them in a couple stages, try taking a look at his video, it might help
Everytime i tried and failed on 1st floor immediately after update, i was hearing bagel shouting at me to FARM MORE RUNES! 😂😂 so i went to farm and never got decent runes. Welp today's not my day
Rica 1 on despair Rica 2 on violent Water homoc on violent
Conspiracy theory:
Com2us released toa hell so ppl forget about the rta issue
I think it was so streamers had something manual to do other than RTA so they'd stop playing Genshin
rip, my tyron is just 5* and not full skilled up. Because he works at that way in my toa and toah team.
I tryed wit Fran, Rica, Taurus, Delphoi and Bernard. ´
Works okay, but i can't clear yet. So i think i should try something else.
I'm stuck on nepthys :( Too many passives. I get to the boss but I die super fast once I do
Tesa is your new best friend, I've been using him a lot
@@gobind360 Yeah, I know. But I can't sacrifice even a single spot from my current team, so rip for me :D
Got the monsters, have no runes. Why is it so hard to get a tyron, verad or any other AOE attack bar manipulation monster?
It is hard for you to get a fire griffon? :p
@@red_dll
I have it, 100% ready. But no skill ups to make it 2A. Everytime I summon, they keep giving me grim reapers and racuni. I even farm tamon desert and, the rewards are unspeakable
so.....I'm not gonna touch that for a good 10 years
Who is better for db12? Tyron or Toar?
My toar works
Taor. Tyron reduces more consistently but you need to land slow first so it cancels out and if the consistency is similar might as well go for more damage
Yep. Mid game runer here... Fran n the girls will get a good one step into the first wave, first stage... Need farm relics for a couple years now.
Yeah, I can't even do TOA hard stage 40...I can't get past it.
Isnt toah 4 a chiwu and 2 megans + wind sylphids? Just use fran loren kro and if you wanna be fancy bring a buff blocker like fire lizard or ling ling then fill the last slot with a cooldown buff like Mav, Dark homu
To be fair you can just swap the buff block for jeanne and try keep the megans and sylphids provoked
most people cant, dont worry about it. i can auto toa hard until stage 80 and still cant lol
Jewbagel that wind street fighter guy would be great here if u lay loads of dots hes the 4 star his skills base of contuios dmg
When is Com2fus going to fix there ranking system
Avoid at all costs, got it! lol
i bet you could do it on the eu server
I got irritated and just went toxic with some floors "verad x dark dryad x jamire"
Hey Bagelmon you literally talking about me. F2P and trying this out
Dear Jewbagel i m really curious when you reach stage 4 good luck
Me too, beat the first 3 stages very easily, but the nepthys stage with all those passives is just too brutal
At times like these having Isis would be really nice haha
its very hard content
next video: racuni solo toa hell
early game player i am, but the only nat5s i have are Verad, Rica and Gany :P
Thats really lucky tf you mean "only"
nice, now you can do toa hell easily as soon as you have them all on violent or despair 265+ spd / 30k+ hp.
so yeah...in predator runes didn't matter...in toa hell if you are not on g1 runes at the minimum -> good luck!
Yah sure, you have best nat5 in the whole game... i have 15 nat5s and all are average
update: just pulled Tiana :(
I just finished toan 100 for the first time and then com2us coughs.
My Kumar, with over 13k base HP, has the same HP as your Vigor, but with, like, 70 speed less lmao
I don't think I have the runes for doing toa hell ;-;
Why are you guys distracted by this, wheres the RTA fix?!
Can I get a heart plz
In my opinion I would've rather seen a revamp of toa and toah. I do enjoy the difficulty of it though, even if it makes me bang my head against the wall at times.
When I just finished toa normal 100 pretty easily, I tried toa hell stage 1 and got my ass knocked out into
another world.
I hit a big roadblock on stage 4. Can't beat those stupid snipers
runes?
Bagel
You need speed to even get a turn. So I'm gonna say if your towers aren't fully upgraded don't even bother with TOA hell.
Watch me bro I haven’t even built my speed tower yet
But Bagel, there isn't an excuse not doing predator anyway! Look at the rewards! xD
Guide for a single ms that will give you farmable nat3
i am certainly disappointed you did not mention that toa-hell units have 220 speed, even more disappointed you didnt mention dark homu which significantly reduces both rune and skillup requirements for toa
still struggling with toa hard
Which floor?
@@airkami a lot of them 50+ haha
@@Artoriosis Hopefully you can get some of the f2p mons that carry even in TOH like skilled up mav, 2a spectra, fusing baretta, fran and loren.
@@Artoriosis Then you just need the right swift/despair sets to get them the speed and CC they want
I got 3 acc, no one got tyron :(
I get that it's meant to be hard. But I still would not be surprised if it were nerfed and made easier in the near future.
omg i don't have a single runes let along i don't have either 2A ww and tyron
Me crying in lv2 totem fastest spd 100
Unfortunately, I think the rewards are bad.
Well the end players have something to do but why do the devilmons need them?
They need the midplayers the most and they have problems in Hell. I don't even manage the first level although I've been playing for over 4 years and without breaks.
Now the midplayers have a carrot in front of their nose that they will never reach unless they spend a lot more money and time and the endplayers get what they no longer need
10:25 Bagel is disappearing! :c
Bagel be like: I don't feel so good mister Stark...
@@woahwoah2207 Bagel: OMG what is that
Toa hell is hell
i like bobmbs
HoW cAn He PlAyS wItHoUt HaNdS?
Cant even get those nat 4s lol
seanB tried f2p for nepthys...He lost his mind
imagine this on ld only....