Another thing to consider for players is that attack speed is both offensive and defensive. The defensive side comes from being done animations sooner and being able to move before the boss hits you. Also you are able to kill the boss faster which results in less deaths.
You should also point out that, while you lose 1 att spd from using kaiser form, the extra line for gigas wave and the huge dmg boost and buffs you get from kaiser form trumps the loss of 1 att spd, due to it being kind of impossible to maintain the new dmg cap as of now (yet), making kaiser form highly recommended to use wheneer the gauge is up
As a small correction, you don't even lose attack speed in Final Form; Kaiser is still at the hard cap in FF (with green pot + DSI + IA). If it feels like it's slower, then it's because the Gigas animation is inherently slower than in normal form at a given attack speed level. But other than that, yup FF > normal form (extra lines + damage buff trumps the slower animation of Gigas in FF by a long shot).
@@imezxdchannel It used to be true a while ago, I don't exactly remember how long ago that was changed. But I did two tests in FF, one test with green pot + DSI + IA and one test with those same buffs plus Kaiser's Majesty (which also increases atk speed). And I did the same number of Gigas in both scenarios. If we assume that we did lose attack speed when we transform as he says in the video, then the test using Kaiser's Majesty should increase the number of Gigas (but it doesn't). The only way that would make sense is if we were already at the hard cap without Kaiser's Majesty (in other words, we didn't lose attack speed when transforming). EDIT: Of course, if I'm wrong OP or someone else is more than welcome to test it themselves. I just want to dispel the misconception before ppl start thinking that Kaiser can't reach hard cap or stuff like that.
So if I understand correctly, my main is F/P mage. Base is 6 Booster gets me to 4 DSI gets me to 3 IA gets me to 2 Green pot gets me to 1 Is this the max that I can get without help from other classes?
Check your 2nd job skills, Weapon mastery gives you atk spd +1 if you're using a spear (essentially matches the atk speed of a polearm), so you can consider your base as 5 instead of 6 so you can hit 0 atk speed
hey. I'm not sure if your information about kaiser final form attack speed is completely accurate. At the very least, even with kaiser's majesty or zero blue aura (Hard speed cap), the giga count does not change at all. So nothing can help us, I tried majesty and had a zero friend buff me, it was the same as the giga count I got without those buffs. I did some BA tests myself and it does appear that normal form kaiser has more giga count than final form kaiser... but a patch released from nexon 1 year ago stated that the final form attack speed is fixed and should be the same attack speed as normal kaiser. Can you test again and let me know your findings? I'm curious about the zero/ majesty part. I tested it and it did not work for me.
I'd like to second this comment; Kaiser is already at hard cap in final form (FF) with green pot + DSI + IA. Using all that while also popping Kaiser's Majesty does not increase the number of Gigas, which wouldn't make sense unless we were already at hard cap to begin with. It'd be more accurate to say that the Gigas Wave animation in FF is inherently longer than in normal form (which would explain FF's lower Gigas count than normal form at a given attack speed). Either way, being in FF is still more damage so that doesn't change, but I just wanted to dispel the misconception that we lose attack speed in FF. Nexon did in fact fix/patch that a while ago.
@@ClanKaiserGMS Both forms hard caps at attack speed 0. It's just that FF's gigas is inherently slower to cast than in normal form, so it may appear that the attack speed might've been lost. But FF does reach attack speed 0 (Blaze On, transfiguration, IA, DSI, green pot) because adding an extra attack speed buff (ex. Kaiser's Majesty, real SI, etc.) does not make us attack faster. Hope this makes sense.
Hmm interesting.. so attack speed from gauge does apply to final form? Have you tested this to check the amount of gigas casted between ff and non ff? You would need to have: Normal 6 Blaze + dsi + ia + gauge + mpe for 0 in normal Then in ff: Everything above + maybe divine speed from zero
@@ClanKaiserGMS I did those tests as I've mentioned (using Kaiser's Majesty in FF with all the other AS buffs). I've also had someone else do the same tests using Zero's buff instead just to verify. Both tests had the same results, where having extra attack speed buffs beyond what you'd need to hard cap in normal form (the one's you've listed under "Normal") didn't increase the number of Gigas casted. Basically, yes the attack speed from gauge does apply to Final Form. You do, in fact, reach hard cap in Final Form with 100% uptime.
I see different messages online about Kanna so little confused, looks like you don’t want IA attack speed as Kanna, mages have all cast speed normal (6) by default no matter speed of weapon itself?! So would I need other things other than booster (2), decent SI (1), green pot (1) on Kanna?! If I am right there isn’t much difference between speed 0-2 on kanna?! Domain also temporary speed boost evt?
RE: Mages and attack speed of staff/wand: "The main difference between wand and staff is that wands have +5% crit rate vs staff that have +6 m. att. The difference in attack speed stated on the weapon is irrelevant because explorer mages go by a "spell casting speed" instead, which is Normal (6). In KMS, people tend to run wand because the innate crit for i/l and f/p is so low that it's hard to obtain extra sources of crit rate. In GMS, staff is bis because crit rate comes by a bit easier (lv 3 phantom link and beast tamer link). Also, the extra 6 att lets you get higher flame scores as flames on weapons is based off percentage"
[Note]: All mages except Battle Mage are not affected by their weapon's Attack Speed. Instead, all attacks have a cast speed of Normal (6) regardless of weapon which is still affected by Attack Speed Source: www.grandislibrary.com/content/attack-speed
thanks for video anyway how I suppose to know mine attack speed? I only know my hammer 160lvl his attack speed is fast. how about a demon slayer? I know I have green potion -1 + skill from v matrix -1 in totall its 2 , fast+ 2
Love your vids as you put out guides that not a lot of people explain in depth but holy crap the spamming of sound effects you put are so distracting to the content
No idea. Not a jett main. If you are talking about the "hold down" skill. Probably not affected much, since I would assume that is a "hurricane type" skill.
sorry Pathfinders will not be able to break the soft cap since macros are counted as "hurricane Type" skill too so even if u are at 0 attack speed, if u use macros for ur burst and deluge, it will be the same as 2 attack speed
Its sad that even with the att speed lower, the final form buff with extra lines and fd is too powerful for us to skip xD. And the extra mobility helps
You don't lose attack speed in Final Form, it's just simply that the animation of Gigas in Final Form is inherently longer than in normal form. If you hit the hard cap in normal form already (IA + DSI + green pot), then an external buff (ex. Zero, BaM, real SI) will not make a difference in Final Form since you'll be at hard cap already.
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Another thing to consider for players is that attack speed is both offensive and defensive. The defensive side comes from being done animations sooner and being able to move before the boss hits you. Also you are able to kill the boss faster which results in less deaths.
You should also point out that, while you lose 1 att spd from using kaiser form, the extra line for gigas wave and the huge dmg boost and buffs you get from kaiser form trumps the loss of 1 att spd, due to it being kind of impossible to maintain the new dmg cap as of now (yet), making kaiser form highly recommended to use wheneer the gauge is up
Yep. FF still trumps
As a small correction, you don't even lose attack speed in Final Form; Kaiser is still at the hard cap in FF (with green pot + DSI + IA). If it feels like it's slower, then it's because the Gigas animation is inherently slower than in normal form at a given attack speed level. But other than that, yup FF > normal form (extra lines + damage buff trumps the slower animation of Gigas in FF by a long shot).
@@xaltrex7645 didnt op state in the video that you lose your gauge buffs (attspd1) when you activate final form?
@@imezxdchannel It used to be true a while ago, I don't exactly remember how long ago that was changed. But I did two tests in FF, one test with green pot + DSI + IA and one test with those same buffs plus Kaiser's Majesty (which also increases atk speed). And I did the same number of Gigas in both scenarios. If we assume that we did lose attack speed when we transform as he says in the video, then the test using Kaiser's Majesty should increase the number of Gigas (but it doesn't). The only way that would make sense is if we were already at the hard cap without Kaiser's Majesty (in other words, we didn't lose attack speed when transforming).
EDIT: Of course, if I'm wrong OP or someone else is more than welcome to test it themselves. I just want to dispel the misconception before ppl start thinking that Kaiser can't reach hard cap or stuff like that.
So if I understand correctly, my main is F/P mage.
Base is 6
Booster gets me to 4
DSI gets me to 3
IA gets me to 2
Green pot gets me to 1
Is this the max that I can get without help from other classes?
Yah seems correct
Unless you missed something, yea. Seems right.
You hit 0 atk speed. The recent changes gave MP boost ( in first job) +1AS.
Check your 2nd job skills, Weapon mastery gives you atk spd +1 if you're using a spear (essentially matches the atk speed of a polearm), so you can consider your base as 5 instead of 6 so you can hit 0 atk speed
Thanks for the detailed explanation!
hey. I'm not sure if your information about kaiser final form attack speed is completely accurate. At the very least, even with kaiser's majesty or zero blue aura (Hard speed cap), the giga count does not change at all. So nothing can help us, I tried majesty and had a zero friend buff me, it was the same as the giga count I got without those buffs.
I did some BA tests myself and it does appear that normal form kaiser has more giga count than final form kaiser... but a patch released from nexon 1 year ago stated that the final form attack speed is fixed and should be the same attack speed as normal kaiser.
Can you test again and let me know your findings? I'm curious about the zero/ majesty part. I tested it and it did not work for me.
I'd like to second this comment; Kaiser is already at hard cap in final form (FF) with green pot + DSI + IA. Using all that while also popping Kaiser's Majesty does not increase the number of Gigas, which wouldn't make sense unless we were already at hard cap to begin with. It'd be more accurate to say that the Gigas Wave animation in FF is inherently longer than in normal form (which would explain FF's lower Gigas count than normal form at a given attack speed). Either way, being in FF is still more damage so that doesn't change, but I just wanted to dispel the misconception that we lose attack speed in FF. Nexon did in fact fix/patch that a while ago.
Let me see if I understood you correctly,
You are saying that FF hard caps at atk speed 1?
and normal form hard caps at atk speed 0?
@@ClanKaiserGMS Both forms hard caps at attack speed 0. It's just that FF's gigas is inherently slower to cast than in normal form, so it may appear that the attack speed might've been lost.
But FF does reach attack speed 0 (Blaze On, transfiguration, IA, DSI, green pot) because adding an extra attack speed buff (ex. Kaiser's Majesty, real SI, etc.) does not make us attack faster.
Hope this makes sense.
Hmm interesting.. so attack speed from gauge does apply to final form? Have you tested this to check the amount of gigas casted between ff and non ff?
You would need to have:
Normal 6
Blaze + dsi + ia + gauge + mpe for 0 in normal
Then in ff:
Everything above + maybe divine speed from zero
@@ClanKaiserGMS I did those tests as I've mentioned (using Kaiser's Majesty in FF with all the other AS buffs). I've also had someone else do the same tests using Zero's buff instead just to verify.
Both tests had the same results, where having extra attack speed buffs beyond what you'd need to hard cap in normal form (the one's you've listed under "Normal") didn't increase the number of Gigas casted.
Basically, yes the attack speed from gauge does apply to Final Form. You do, in fact, reach hard cap in Final Form with 100% uptime.
I see different messages online about Kanna so little confused, looks like you don’t want IA attack speed as Kanna, mages have all cast speed normal (6) by default no matter speed of weapon itself?! So would I need other things other than booster (2), decent SI (1), green pot (1) on Kanna?! If I am right there isn’t much difference between speed 0-2 on kanna?! Domain also temporary speed boost evt?
I'm not exactly sure how Kannas work.
But you can try figuring it out by talking to other kanna mains?
RE: Mages and attack speed of staff/wand:
"The main difference between wand and staff is that wands have +5% crit rate vs staff that have +6 m. att. The difference in attack speed stated on the weapon is irrelevant because explorer mages go by a "spell casting speed" instead, which is Normal (6). In KMS, people tend to run wand because the innate crit for i/l and f/p is so low that it's hard to obtain extra sources of crit rate. In GMS, staff is bis because crit rate comes by a bit easier (lv 3 phantom link and beast tamer link). Also, the extra 6 att lets you get higher flame scores as flames on weapons is based off percentage"
Why does i/l mage with 0 AS feel slower than yours or even my kanna at 2 As?
Mages have default casting speeds
@@ClanKaiserGMS does that mean not every class with 0 AS will perform the same? And thanks for the quick response, much appreciated
You mentioned that AS doesn't affect mages but from the mage guides we need AS. Are you sure that makes are still exempt from this?
[Note]: All mages except Battle Mage are not affected by their weapon's Attack Speed. Instead, all attacks have a cast speed of Normal (6) regardless of weapon which is still affected by Attack Speed
Source:
www.grandislibrary.com/content/attack-speed
So as an adele, mines at 4, i have speed booster(skill):3. Then i use DSI:2. Then green potion:1. This makes me at attack speed 1?
Assuming you start at 4 like you said, yes.
Hi! Just wanna ask, would inner ability Attack Speed +1 give us the kind of Attack speed that Rune of Hermes would? 😂
I think the rune bypasses the speed cap but IA +1 doesnt, not without some sort of external involvement (ex: MPE green pot)
im a kaiser main and from what i understood because of final form i should get +1 attack speed in my ia instead of legenary buff duration line right?
Regardless of FF or not, you need +1 IA
as for a DK there is no way i could hit 0 right?considering i have everything except "gauge"
Weapon=6
IA+1
DSI=1
Booster=2
Mystery=1
Pot=1(breakscap)
Yep, what geo said
@@geofftus1642 i tot only from special soures then i would be able to break the soft cap? but i only have green which brings me to 1 instead of zero
@@geofftus1642 ahhhhh okay i got it thankiew
Will you ever main another class?
Never!
thanks for video anyway how I suppose to know mine attack speed? I only know my hammer 160lvl his attack speed is fast. how about a demon slayer? I know I have green potion -1 + skill from v matrix -1 in totall its 2 , fast+ 2
grandislibrary.com/content/attack-speed
Love your vids as you put out guides that not a lot of people explain in depth but holy crap the spamming of sound effects you put are so distracting to the content
for hero. Axe and sword? What to use? tyty
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Would blaster benefit from this
Ask a blaster main to confirm but it should? Most classes do.
does jett main bossing skill affect by attack speed?
No idea. Not a jett main. If you are talking about the "hold down" skill. Probably not affected much, since I would assume that is a "hurricane type" skill.
How did that Seren run go?
murder..ed...by seren
I'm a pathfinder i feel like i would benefit more from +1 mob hit then +1 atk speed for inner ability... Someone help me on this
Not a PF, so i'm not sure of the skill build
sorry Pathfinders will not be able to break the soft cap since macros are counted as "hurricane Type" skill too so even if u are at 0 attack speed, if u use macros for ur burst and deluge, it will be the same as 2 attack speed
Shadower need attk speed?
In inner ability, don't think so? I think you can hit cap without. Double check with a shad main
Its sad that even with the att speed lower, the final form buff with extra lines and fd is too powerful for us to skip xD. And the extra mobility helps
Yep. FF OP, just bring a zero or a BaM ;)
@@ClanKaiserGMS Zero is Kaiser best partner in crime :^)
@@ClanKaiserGMS doesn't a pirate speed infusion do the trick too
You don't lose attack speed in Final Form, it's just simply that the animation of Gigas in Final Form is inherently longer than in normal form. If you hit the hard cap in normal form already (IA + DSI + green pot), then an external buff (ex. Zero, BaM, real SI) will not make a difference in Final Form since you'll be at hard cap already.
@@xaltrex7645 yah you right OwO ty
how about ark's gusg drive buff
I don't play ark so I dont know :\
So how should DB react the max att speed?
Geof knows his stuff kekw.
@@geofftus1642 TYTY I'll try that
First!