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I am blown away by yr cool attitude towards a more respectful & caring approach to America Lakes , Waterways & their inhabitants ..... Humans have a bad record when it comes to sharing our planet .... So refreshing to hear a man in a industry that can genuinely help Earths other inhabitants ....
This is one of the only balanced and non fanboy electric outboard videos I've watched. Thank you.
The market they are missing is dinghy sailors. Outboards only need to take you in and out of the dock and boat ramp, or trundle home if the wind dies. If the battery could also power small house loads (radio, handheld GPS, led lights), and optionally regenerate when under wind power, that is convenient compared to gas outboard + lead battery
It can be. The outboard is no different than those inboard electric drives on sailboats. An integrated common source house/drive system is easy to do, just make sure to consult the experts on design. Solar, wind turbine, gas generator, prop-driven motor recharge, all can be combined to charge the system. Of course I'm speaking from a perspective of monohull sail (Columbia 22, Bristol 32, Morgan 40), but as regards "day sailors" (like the Columbia), it's just a matter of scaling the system. Unfortunately, regeneration with an outboard electric is not really feasible due to inefficiency in a much smaller system and props (than inboard). So for dinghy/dink sailors, it's fairly do-able to have accessories tied to the battery (24vdc) via a 12v dc-dc convertor (weatherproofed), it just reduces run time, but recharge will have to be off the water.
Every tool or vehicle that I have switched to electric has led to so many less headaches. Cannot wait for my new electric outboard.
I see you got some friends to thumbs up ;) Look, you don't have a new anything coming in I suspect. & if u do ? Cancel now. Cheers
@@slydawwgwhat is your point? I just order 32 300amp lifepo4 batteries and a pmac electric motor and controller etc, custom made, running 22.5kw continuous (30hp) and 40kw peak power( 55hp) torque output is 126nm or (92 ft ibs) at the motor, or 252nm at the prop (184 ft ibs) power it much better than petrol, I have 30kwh battery pack do 1hour 40min run time at 30hp non stop, batteries and engine kit plus a honda bf50a to drop everything into has been around 12k, boat and trailer new is 5k, 2k to put putting etc, buying things ready made like elco or eclass outboards us way more expensive, 30.2k for 30kw from elcass, you get the money and lithium ion batteries( they can explode) (lifepo4 cannot)
@@slydawwg I see he has 16 upvotes so that's apparently 16 more friends than you have; I also doubt you have any "sly" going on at all, mr. "slydawwg"
I agree with that guy, I'm replacing everything with electric because it's finally better than gas. I just got an EGO Power+ LB7654 765 CFM Variable-Speed 56-Volt Lithium-ion Cordless Leaf Blower (yes I just copy-pasted that from the Amazon listing LOL) and it gets the job done quicker than even my corded one did, and it's just 1 battery! Gas engines were always noisy high-maintenance pieces of sh**, it's simply a lot more obvious now after you have some electrics.
For your information, you do not have to buy epropulsion or torqeedo batteries, any 48V system will work with those motors if the batteries can support the amp draw. For what it's worth, if you're handy, you can buy cells off of aliexpress and build your own battery. For about $1200 you could build a 6+ kWh battery (sixteen 120 amp-hours cells in series to produce a nominal 48V). That's a lifepo4 battery (i.e. not a fire hazard), will last 2500 cycles (to 80% of original capacity), will run the epropulsion 3kW (5-6 HP equivalent) at wide open for two hours, and the battery will only weigh 100 pounds. The e-propulsion batteries are a nice off the shelf solution, but they are $500/kWh so a 6 kWh battery would cost you $3000 (and they weigh more because of the robust steel case). For me the electric is a no brainer, but my boat is a 15' inflatable Kaboat that I use for hunting; 3kW is enough to get me on plane and the lack of noise is great for not spooking game. Almost none of the lakes/rivers I run on are restricted, but I still choose electric because it's so much easier to deal with, and the lack of noise is important to me.
Also depth of discharge and charging are really important for these batteries. If you can get a charge controller that keeps the cells between 20% and 80% they will last a lot longer.
@@anydaynow01 Most batteries internal bms already does this, you don't need your charger to do it ( these aren't 'dumb' lead acid batteries ). My 80Ah LiFePo4 battery is actually a 9xAh but my bms limits my charge so I can extend the life. Most allow setting cutoff voltage manually which you can cross check with the voltage drop chart from the manufacturer, but even those who don't allow manual control do not really allow running to 0% standard.
In Canada years ago we took our boat to romote cabin on lake . To get to the cabin was a hour ride, the cabin was nice, but had no electricity. These electric motors could never compete with gasoline motor and a case like this. We had a Johnson 20 hp ,we had the motor for over 40 years, and the only repairs done on the motor was the carburetor was rebuild once and a tune up. But I do like the idea of the quiet pollution free motor.
Yup, the infrastructure isn’t there yet for full electric
What would be great if the electric outboards could double as a trolling motor by adding features like spot lock and integration with the fishfinder, pedals, etc. If I could skip buying a trolling motor and batteries and save $2-3k, that would make the price gap between these and gasoline powered motors smaller. There would also be the convenience of having it all in one set up.
Or even if it ran off the same battery, that would save a few hundred bucks every few years. The lithium ion batteries these outboards run on would barely be taxed by a trolling motor and won't wear out like AGMs. Plus I would still like the front steer thrust capability of a trolling motor.
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I just like the idea of being able to mess with the HOA when I'm out on our lake with an outboard.
Haha
For a 9.9 with every option (tilt trim, 4 batteries, controls, wires, guages) the Elco comes out at 6K. You could save money though by sourcing your own batteries and a lower end charger. Really not bad for someone like myself who is on an electric motor only lake.
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I will never ever give up my 2005 Merc 25hp short shaft for ANY electric outboard, my little merc is fast fast
how much do you spend on gas each year, was thinking of getting a 20 foot pontoon, but not sure if I should get a merc or an elco?
@@TrevorsCrabs gas costs are soooo low unless you really use it all day everyday. most boat owners fill a tank a few times a year
@@TrevorsCrabs get a merc my friend...
@ZigZag is that motor fuel injected? I work with small outboards all the time, the mercs/tohatsu/nissans are all pretty much the same from 1999-2018. One feature i loved on a 2002 nissan 15hp I came across was an automatic choke, no lever, no switch but it always worked
I’ve got a 2000 Johnson 25 and it rips too. Never gonna get rid of it. I love the Mercs too! I’m not a brand fanboy. Just funny how I can hit 30mph but these 20’s can’t even plane 🤔
I’d have to disagree, but if you go buy a new engine do the maintenance on it and take care of it and it will last you a long time
Agreed. There’s still countless old motors kicking around.
I got a 79 4.5 mercury and a 75 hp everude all OEM still use all summer never lets me down. Check my channel video
You missed the point of the video, at the beginning he said lakes and waterways that don't allow fuel driven propulsion. This technology is improving
@@Ellopez05
✔️✔️ Yep.... I bought my 1st ever boat and motor from a friend in 1996. The boat was a crappy, off-brand 12 foot flat bottom aluminum boat that was originally designed for use with little 1.5hp Minn Kota motors in mind. But my buddy had "reinforced" it for rigidity, with treated 2"×12" boards for seats and as the motor mount. He had installed a 1966 Evinrude 9.9hp gas, short shaft motor. I paid $300 for the "package", including gas tanks, etc. Coincidentally, I always used my partly restored 1966 Chevy C10 pickup to transport the old boat.
That 30 year old Evinrude started within 2-3 pulls every time, even the first time out in spring after being properly drained and maintained 5 months earlier, with adequate pre-priming. It ran great, smooth, no problems. I sold it 2 years later, now wishing I would've kept it! ☹️
This is an electric hype vid
The only reason why an outboard would lose power in 5-Years would be improper maintenance upkeep. Not Changing Plugs, Not Changing The Gear Grease In The Lower Unit, Not Cleaning The Injectors or Carbs, Not Tuning Up The Motor are reasons for failure in 5-Years.
In the Baltimore area there are 7 electric only reservoirs within 45 minutes of each other. There are many bass clubs in the area, we also have the upper Chesapeake a little over an hour away and the Potomac about 2 hours away which also have a lot of tournament fishing.
The investment for electric outboards may seem expensive compared to its horsepower equivalent, if you are going to tournament fish in our gas waters the investment is endless to fish in the pro level boats, not including all the gas and time needed to get to and fish these waters.
Some of the electric only clubs in our area have been around 30 to 40 years.
Also we are not trying to get on plane, we move weight to the front and our boats go faster.
I live in Baltimore and was thinking of putting a 9.9 hp elco electric motor onto to 20 foot pontoon boat...
Do you think that size motor will be able to push the pontoon around in those waters north of the chesapeake bridge such as the gunpowder, middle river, bird river, harve de grace, and elk river?
@@TrevorsCrabs I boat all around the upper bay, for a 20ft pontoon boat you’ll want to get a gas motor that is at least 50hp
I fished a few reservoirs in Baltimore when I lived near by and was always impressed at how many had turned golf cart motors into boat engines. Wished I had learned how back then. Thinking it would serve me fine here in our lakes and rivers of WV.
It looked like all those boats were planing hull boats being used as displacement hull boats. Displacement hull boats will only go as fast as about 1/3 mph as the length of the waterline, trying for anything faster tries to lift the hull and uses a tremendous excess of power and for electric motors the power consumption far outweighs the added tenths of mph.
I get that Electric Motors haven’t got the batteries up to being really efficient yet. Yet at $6.00 a gallon they are starting to look really good. More small power boats are being put up for sale everyday. It may come down to do you want to be on the water or not?
It's good to know gas have some competition. Lakes with that many recreational boaters have to go no combustion or the pollution poisons the lakes
The carbon, gas & oil capture on gas engines is not anything like your daddy's engine,--- read, study, learn. So tired of having to explain to the sheered. Cheers
dont care about the planet give me long reliable power source.. im looking at a all electric sailboat ..but not to save any planet .. lol just to save my damn wallet...... if i can leave the dock and not come back.. im all for it..
Nothing like the smell of a 2 stroke in the morning.
Glad to see a lot of Ray Electric outboards there, they're the best available, and made in the USA :)
Their website says they been manufacturing electric outboards since 1974, and that they were the first electric outboard to be designed and patented as a primary power electric outboard. They did it first lol
No one talks about the ravaging the Earrh to get lithium to make the batteries and how it’s a limited resource also
Yup.....people don’t get it! Mining and smelting are far worse for the environment.
Since when did gas motors start to go bad or lose hp after 5 years? wtf lol. I cant say i ever seen that happen
@@TinyBoatNation Or you are just neglecting your motor so its causing damage to it and ruining it lol. Probably fish a quarter to half the year and 1998 outboard as good as the day i got it .......
2 strokes lose compression from day one meaning loss of power 4 strokes need valves and other maintenance
@@TinyBoatNation *cough cough* bullshit. Source: atlantic pirate.
@@TinyBoatNation you just lost all credibility.
@@TinyBoatNation I just sold and evenrude 15hp from 1982 had not lost any compression. Always fired up and I ran her wide open every time I was out. It will eventually fail but 5 years and a motor loses power that BS.
I run small electric trolling motors and love them, but as always the problem is how many hours can you get out of a charge and how many batteries do you need. I also have a 2hp Honda outboard that can run all day on a couple of litres.
I have a 15hp Honda I run on a 14' jon boat, long runs on a tidal river and burn 1.9 gallons give or take ounces every time I use it. They still have a long way to go, and I don't think they will ever get there.
Elco lists their prices, and the smaller ones arent too far off what a current 4 stroke yamaha is. At the top end of the range, the 50hp Elco is around 2 grand more than MSRP(anyone want to chime in the actual current retail for an F50?) of an equivalent Yamaha F50... But heres the interesting part, they're lighter at 191 lbs vs 247lbs for the Yamaha, so by the time you add enough batteries, the weights probably even. The 9.9s show similar weight differences.
Ummm those batteries are gonna be a lot more than 50 lbs lol. If you go AGM it will be several hundred pounds more and if you go LiPo try adding a few grand to the cost.
Electric motor is really quiet and consistent and less maintenance…but very expensive motor itself already and if we want long distance or high power…I even cannot guess how many so heavy and expensive battery we need ship on the boat? And what if battery flat more than what I expected….it’s gonna be a deadly terrible day.
2:55 No 4 stroke (including EFI) has more torque than a 2 stroke. A 2 stroke engine has every stroke a power stroke compared to a 4 stroke which has a dead stroke (the exhaust). So in term of torque 1- Electric, 2- 2 stroke direct injection, 3 - 2 stroke EFI, 4. 2 stroke carbureted, 5- 4 stroke EFI, 6 - 4 stroke carbureted.
The 4 stroke vs 2 stroke comparisons hp4hp almost always end up in the 4 stroke coming out of the hull faster, but ultimately losing to the 2-stroke at high end. Its never the other way around - at least in comparison videos.
I'm running generic brand AGM's on my Torqeedo Cruise 4.0 on my sailboat. You don't need to use the proprietary lithium batteries.
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I'm an elco dealer in NJ, they have been using them since they 1897 world's fair. They are surprisingly quick. But alot of weight in batteries.
Electric motors - great concept but we are just in the beginning stages of the movement. Right now its just not practical for alot of people except for those who fish on the electric only lakes. I'm just about to buy a 60HP for my next build but the electric costs would cost 3 times as much. It doesn't even warrant consideration right now. But the future is bright! Once there are more out there, the technology drives down prices, and battery performance and size comes down it will eventually kill a gas engine. Elon Musk is doing it with cars (I can't wait to get my first EV) and it will eventually happen with marine engines.
Another positive that no one has mentioned is altitude performance. I fish 9,000ft lakes and my 15hp motor is an absolute dog. A great benefit of an electric outboard is that you would have no performance drop at higher altitudes.
Chris Roberts I’m also looking forward to what the future brings with electric. I would love a reliable electric I/O.
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I'm thinking elco inboard for our old school gaff cutter ironically named Elcho , I hadn't seen those elco outboards they look very interesting that was a very large brushless electric engine on that 9.9hp version no doubt it could produce instant 9.9hp power making planning easier no bogging down , , it would make a great yacht tender , charging of the solar / wind generator on our the yacht we would be limited only by battery capacities, nice ! No trips to a service station ever again !
Between the reliability, reduced maintenance, performance, eco-friendliness, and no gasoline required, electric outboards seem to be a strong alternative.
In my younger years, my friend and I would make plans to go to the lake to ski behind his 15ft speedboat (55hp), and there were several instances when our plans were outright ruined by a gasoline outboard that would not run, for whatever reason. And, several instances where the outboard started out running fine, and quit in the middle of the lake - again, for whatever reason. Add to that the cost of gasoline and 50:1 mix and an electric solution would have been very nice. But, that was just not an option in 1985.
So, I'm excited about all the electric boat motors now available. My husband and I are preparing to sell our sticks and bricks house and live fulltime on a houseboat in the Florida Keys. And, we want to put solar panels up top, have a large LiFePO4 house battery bank, and electric inboard motors (pair of Elco 70hp) with a large dedicated LiFePO4 battery bank for propulsion. The goal is to be completely off-grid and travel the Keys and the intracoastal, using a diesel generator to top off the batteries as needed.
Thanks, for the video!
The giant price gap paired with the shorter run times of electric outboards over gas outboards keeps a guy like me far awayyy....I have no hp cap lakes near me and very few electric only lakes I want to mess around in in my area so gas is here to stay in my boats
Superficial stuff. What happens if you store the battery for 6 months? These usually need to be used fairly often on my bike, or the lithium battery dies. They have a limited life too. Then its big bucks for a new one, If you can get one.
Most of these are good for up to a year, but you're right in that Li battery tech doesn't like to completely discharge (which is what would happen if you left it disconnected from power for like a year). At home I have a rotation schedule for my Li-battery-powered equipment's batteries and their chargers. It's something to keep in mind, but look: Battery tech won't improve until people throw money at it. Look at the first personal computers vs. now. Know what drove all that? People buying personal computers for years.
The nice thing though is that you can keep the same motor essentially forever and just upgrade the batteries when new tech comes along, and if you took care of your old batteries (not charging them past 80% and not discharging them below 20% too often) then they will still retain quite a bit of resale value...
i have a 2003 yamaha 25 2 stroke and it it still runs like a champ i go fishing on it almost every weekend and is still going strong.
And it will for 30 plus more years if reasonably maintained. Cheers
If only this exact style of engine wasn't exempt from environmental-conservation-esque exhaust laws, the net cost (including to the "commons", if you search-engine "tragedy of the commons") of running such a motor wouldn't be much larger than you think
What people do not realize is, the electric motor is relatively cheap. The expense of owing and using an electric out board motor is in the batteries. The batteries are very expensive and have a short shelf life.
thats right
Electric motors are great, it's the batteries that are the problem. Hopefully one day a portable battery can have enough energy to last as long as a petrol outboard.
maybe it's just me but I've been using a 6 HP Johnson 2 stroke for 30 years with very good reliability in both fresh & salt water. Maintenance is the key. The person making this video must not do much maintenance on his outboard engines if he has problems with an engine after 4 years of use. I ran a 70HP Yamaha 2 stroke on my 17 foot Whaler 20 years in salt water without any problems but proper maintenance is the key. That Yamaha is still running well.
Yeah that's the thing, these days people are used to treating things like appliances. Just turn it on and if it doesn't work throw it away. So something that has virtually no maintenance like an electric outboard would work for a lot of people, especially if the boat just sits for most of the year and fuel isn't being run through it. I mean most people don't even know how to change or diagnose their spark plugs these days.
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I have 11 vintage motors with newest being a 1960 down to 1946 . All run tip top because i can work on them because they are simple. That said i have a 1957 7.5 Evinrude Twin that keeps up with most 10 hp motors.
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A 100 amp hour agm battery weighs about 30kg and gives 1.2kw hours..... a lithium tesla module weighs 25kg and delivers 5.7kw hours use a karvin electric 16hp which uses no gear box and is 89% efficient 2x tesla battery modules super light and super efficient 24v 11.4kwh of power or 48v 5.7kwh, karvin also do larger motors,... thus is my plan 😂
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I've started looking into these electrics. My issue is the expense of the batteries. The gas motors can go a lot longer then the electric but, when you're fishing the idea is to get where you want to fish and then switch over to a trolling motor to control your position. I'm still checking I've got a 15 horse two cycle which is fine but it's getting old. The lakes I'm looking at getting to in the future depend on a lot of energy because of the size of the lake.
But then, many lakes I would like to fish have a 10 horse maximum requirement. I'm new to checking into this and have a lot more reading and investigating to do.
If you're handy you can build you own LiFePO4 battery on the cheap. Right now I'm looking at 120 Ah cells on Aliexpress. They are $1030 for sixteen cells (put in series to give you a nominal 48V). Add a $100 BMS and build your own case and you have a 6 kWh LiFePO4 battery for $1200 all-in, and the cells + BMS weigh in just under 100 pounds (but you would need to build a case to put them in).
@@JoeStoffa and it's even cheaper now. A 100 ah LiFePo4 with built in bms is only $350 these days.
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get lithiums from hybriid cars 3.7v cells wire them in series. i have done so much testing with them and they are far superior to even the best agms. shop i was the lead tech at has 20 world records using them. 12% of the weight of a AGM or LA battery and u could make a higher output batter for far less money than buying one.
TH-camr JehuGarcia has a bunch of videos on building large(think DIY powerwall) battery packs using recovered 18650 cells from laptop batteries. Might be worth investigating🤔👍
Ok here is my question. I have a 26' Marinette which is an old aluminum cabin cruiser weighs about 6000 lbs. I want to troll for stripers without using my inboard 327 V8. So I want to use a small electric kicker motor comparable to a 5 hp to troll 1.5 to 3.5 mph. I don't want to spend a fortune. what do you suggest and what battery set up do I need?
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I got a 50’s 18hp outboard on a 14ft aluminum boat. She scoots boys.
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being someone who loves to fish and be outdoors, i would LOVE to have gotten an electric motor. worst case scenario your fishing your battery dies... pull out a solar panel and charge it while you are fishing...
unfortunatly when covid first hit, i looked into prices... equivilent of a 10HP electric motor cost $20,000 Where the equivilat gas powered cost $3500, and lets be honest enough gas to run that motor all season, is not even. $100, the price difference was just unacceptible.
just checked some prices TODAY... gas motos still the same... but the equivilent to an 10 HP in electric is down to about 3500 (plus battery)so all the sudden, it becomes viable... maybe next year
I see a lot of people being very conservative, mercury making a v12 outboard, why? It is just a matter of time and it will be all electric. Just like over in Europe, where all production cars to be sold have to be electric in a little over a decade. Manufacturers who are to late in the game are lossing market share. Over here in the Netherlands, teslas are the most sold new cars for already two years in a row, fact! Just get used to it. Prices of electric cars are already dropping, outboards will be the same
First of all, can't be done, won't be done. It's all politics. A simple change in GOV. will silence the sheered penny-less sheep Cheers
We run two torqueedo on our 35ft Catarmaran. Love em. Had them for ten years. Glad to see that people are finally jumping on the wagon. Better late than never.
If I were to do this I would have to go Lithium just for the weight factor over AGM's. I have 3 AGM's in my boat now and god they are heavy. The future is hopefully brighter with several companies investing billions into Solid State Lithium batteries. They get that figured out. Game over. You'd be running electric outboards at least 3 times longer. Cars 900 miles on a charge. The future is coming..
We'll be watching!
Will a trolling motor run off a lithium battery pack,like a jackery? Store told me no, but it was big box store and didn’t trust his knowledge. I’m just looking for something light to take my raft out to a moored boat and then shore the raft if on anchor.
@@TinyBoatNation got ya I should have thought about that
Get a paddle. Seriously.
Same problem as EV (cars), they need to get battery energy density to double while cost halve to make this workable for the family boater. You might be able to eat the cost of an emotor due to longevity, but periodic battery replacement will kill the budget over time ...
^THIS
Not to mention water and electric just doesn't seem sensible...
I just towed in an elect. bass boat w/my 94 Suzuki DT 15 (low compression) on Lake Mohave Az. for a 12 pack and a qt of 2 stroke oil...I don't know why all the tears, must have been all that 2 stroke smoke and/or the smallmouth I was catching while trolling/towing lol.
Yeah right
I definitely think I will continue to be a "jerk" for many years with my noisy engine for fossil fuels. Even though I live in one of the greenest countries in the world with the greenest energy. My country would be number one if we did not produce oil. Batteries are insanely expensive and when I think about how many different types of batteries I have had on my drills there is no reason to believe it will not be the same on electric boat engines.
And why do those with electric motors play saints? it is not electric motors that open the gates of heaven. That's what you contain within ... the way you behave towards others.
@@TinyBoatNation I looked at an electric 10 hp, compared to my Tohatsu 9.8. The electric one was 3 times the price and 2kg heavier, and how long will it last? No thanks.
@@bigglyguy8429 I love the Tohatsu 9.8 two stroke, one of the best small outboards made! But to think it will last anywhere near as long as an electric outboard is ridiculous. A Ray electric outboard could probably last millions of hours with very basic maintenance... no internal combustion engine could even come within two orders of magnitude of that
You can run all of the motor you are talking about, can run on agm or lead.
As well as off a gasoline generator in your boat, lol.
😂 I just wanna know if greta was out the back pedaling to start the diesel generator
AGM should be a nonstarter these days given how cheap lithium is, especially if you DIY. AGM deep cycle is effectively only half the rated capacity whereas lithium is 100% the rated capacity and still last much longer. There are super cheap LiFEPO4 cells on the market that you can easily build yourself and very affordable charge controllers. You can pack many times more usable lithium capacity in a fraction of the weight of AGM. Used Tesla modules are another option but those lithium packs don't have the same life cycle as LiFEPO4.
As for electric motors, they're very overpriced today because of the lack of competition. They should be much less expensive than gas motors due to their simplicity. It's not worth paying $9000 for an electric outboard. It's well worth building your own electric outboard for a fraction of the price.
Plus if you only cycle an LFP cell between 20% and 80% they will live an extremely long time, especially considering how many full power hours people actually put on the power units a year. I would like to do this one day, maybe get an off the shelf outboard then make my own battery and charge control setup.
Yes, let's just all build our own. ;) Even if you did ? Your still in the bathtub. (very odd comment though, you take the prize) Cheers
Batteries are extremely expensive as well and they don't last forever
Unless someone is running a commercial operation where they kill the battery everyday, they will last a very long time when properly maintained, especially if they go lithium ion. The actively cooled battery pack cars are going 300k km and more with a minimum of degradation.
@@anydaynow01 Doesn't own a boat.
if your boating is on relatively small lakes then electric makes sense, but if your boating involves long passages on open water internal combustion is a much more practical choice. i can't think of a single marina in my area that has a charging station for electric boats, they do offer standard 30 and 50 amp shore power but that's only good for slow overnight or longer recharging.. but there are tons of fuel docks everywhere where you can fill up on gas or diesel.
Not just "more practical" but the safety (piece of mind) factor can't be ignored when the Electric either gives out, or can't handle the conditions.
lol the battery price alone is discouraging. that Elco 50hp with a single lithium ion battery pack is $25,000 plus you have to pay for charging and it all reverts back to the point that you can't just put gas in the boat and keep going. I mean how long is it going to take to charge on 110v hookup? With lithium ion you start having to consider that high amp chargers diminish the life of the battery. the kit they sell on Elco's website is 4 - 296ah batteries. Maybe you could get 4 of the dakota lithium 48v batteries and run a series parallel setup. but still looking at $13,000. I'm all for slapping a tesla motor in a boat but the battery tech just isn't there yet.
Uh ya, not quite ready for a Tesla motor yet ? :) Musk wants vacation trips to Mars first, then the boat ;) oh boy.
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Cool video bro! Excited about the future of electric outboards
I flip up/down canopy with solar panels to charge. I made my own battery banks with EVE LifeP04 cells. 54kw of power for $8k so knowing that 27kw would be enough then spending the other 4k on panels and foldable hard top would mean never paying for electricity(charging). if you have a boat lift you can do solar on it if you stay on same lake.
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It’s just a really expensive trolling motor. Proprietary batteries start huffing and puffing at a certain age too.
At 10-20% throttle these will reach the speed of a trolling motor at 100% throttle. they are not the same.
@@TinyBoatNation They can't get the boat on plane and the batteries drain fast at higher loads and speeds Which makes a regular trolling motor a better choice. BTW, most electric only lakes are reservoirs. Never seen a tournament on a reservoir before. This is a very unique situation. These electrics are not good investment, it's not about how well built the electric motor is built or lasts. It's about how long they support the proprietary battery.
They'll work it out mate, fuel is history soon!
My friend ask them how many kilos are the batteries, what happen if there is a fire, if the battery is not anymore good, why is necessary for the transportation to use a special box with -70 CELCIUS ?????
Ask them please.
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Batteries now are so much cheaper. LIFEP04 12v 100ah's are $180 on sale.
I HAVE A 2003 CRESTLINE 1750 SPORTFISH WITH A 140 HP. SUZUKI THIS MOTOR WORKS GREAT . TAKE CARE OF THEM AND THEY RUN FOR ALONG TIME. IF YOUR ON A ELECTRIC MOTOR ONLY LAKE USE A TROLLING MOTOR.
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Too soon.
Ill wait till their cheap as a dollar store fan.
It's the battery costs...
@@gingerkitty1374 And battery replacement cost!
@@TrevorsCrabs fraction of gas costs in the long run. Proven by electric cars over and over. I see a lot of people being very conservative, mercury making a v12 outboard, why? It is just a matter of time and it will be all electric. Just like over in Europe, where all production cars to be sold have to be electric in a little over a decade. Manufacturers who are to late in the game are lossing market share. Over here in the Netherlands, teslas are the most sold new cars for already two years in a row, fact! Just get used to it. Prices of electric cars are already dropping, outboards will be the same
Buy an old Nissan leaf for 5k, and old not working petrol outboard. Do some tinkering and you have a powerful set up with loads of range
yes
I get a kick out of the low life outboards of today. A 1970 two stroke is still running strong now.
Agrees
What about an inboard generator.. run that electric from a small generator.
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The Mad Scientist has a new vision.....when you build it, build your decks out of solar panels, that way it can charge back up on its own, or make the cover out of solar materials.
I agree make a bimini cover from solar panels.... they have foldable solar panels these days.... similar to torquedos design of panel....
Yes! I’ve also wondered why boat builders don’t design front hulls with torpedo type openings that can generate hydro power(like a waterfall effect, water mill). At least you can recoup power as you’re hauling ass and burning gas through the water!
Those little outboard engines last a long time if they are maintained. Plenty still running around made in the 70's.
Here is what this guy and most of boat guys have to hear. The gas engines are powerful, fast, fuel efficient etc.etc. However, they are damn too noisy. And, as we all know well, the noise cars, bikes and boats are loved because they impower some of us and compensate for lacking other manly features.
When it comes to a boat, or a bike, car or an airplane, they are interesting because you can cruise fields, lakes and skies. The noise is just spoiling it all...like screaming in subtle music. I am looking forward to using all vehicle technologies that will be quiet...maybe my girlfriend is gonna cruise with me more often.
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Have you ever done any 16 ft starcraft or aluminum center console builds. Can you recommend a good horsepower amount for a 16ft starcraft center console? looking to hit top out at about 30mph
@@TinyBoatNation it has a merc 350,35hp 2 stroke. Most conditions it can only reach 12 mph. When it catches a tailwind and rides a swell it barely tops out at 15mph.
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Really....a 20hp won't plane a 1648..... I have an 1848, 3 large adults, a 5hp gas troll motor and it goes 20-22mph. The cost of the electric motor and lithium batts is off the charts. Good luck with that.
That’s what I was thinking. I’ve got a 25 on a 1452 and it flies about 30 mph. Those motors are either not really 20 or they have so many hundreds of pounds in batteries they can’t get up. Then again I’ve had 4 adults and plane no problem so I’m thinking it’s the first idea.
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There's a new Tesla EV Marine Electric motor head by Hyper Electric Marine, on a Mercury lower unit coming out in 2021 up to a 350 HP... Electric Torque Monster's
@@TinyBoatNation Technology is moving fast & making things more affordable... They have a few promotional videos on TH-cam now.
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We have a Yamaha 25 with around 5k hours of hard use with only regular maintenance and 1 lower bearings and seals. Most outboards never get near that use. Electric motor should be cheaper.
Electric, unless you are regulated to use one are beyond incapable for all the obvious reasons already explained. Again , bathtub Gov. regulations may have you trapped, so you get a pass ;)
yes kike chef 1985 waver runer 2925 40 years old 400000 too 60000 hoyrs
My question is how long can you run these at 50% power before the batteries die?
Battery outboards are the future... its coming.
What a joke, when your battery goes dead my gas outboard will still be on the water.
@@531671967 Gotta love that infinitely large gas tank.
Maybe in some sensitive areas like drinking water reservoirs and such. These will just never take off for recreational boaters, just too slow to have fun, complete lack of range, and very expensive in comparison. Also battery minerals don’t exactly come out of the ground cleanly either. When those batteries go bad they gotta go somewhere too.
@justan idiot I never even considered a fire on one of these. Bound to happen with all these DIYers building their own high voltage setups. I’ve seen a small Lithium cell go off and I cannot imagine a boat full of em going up.
On the Elite Series the typical boat is pushing 100K. Half the boats in my club are 60 - 80K. A new 250 costs 25K and gets about 3 miles per gallon. How much does a 30 or 50 elco and sufficient battery set up cost? If I could go 30 with 45 miles range I could complete at the club level even on unlimited hp lakes.
30K for the motor and battery
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@@sharonbraselton4302 ?
Maybe you need a clue about Southern Arizona. Patagonia Lake is the ONLY lake in Southern Arizona that a person can run boats with engines larger then 10 horsepower. The three other smaller lakes in this part of the state have restrictions for electric or smaller then 10 hp gas engines.
Patagonia lake is basically cut in half. One whole side is no wake, inlet / shallower side. The main open body of water is deeper as it is the dam side. This is the wake side. The rule for wake side is counter clockwise direction only at all times. Also, jet skis and boats pulling tubes/ skiers are only allowed on weekdays to reduce the chances of injury.
We live in a desert. Water is more scare than other parts of the country. Please don’t add stupid comments about our great state. We already have enough dumb people moving to Arizona daily. We don’t need one more.
My biggest problem with electric outboards is how they are marketed. I mean, I can do math. There is no way an electric motor with a maximum input power of 4.7kw (the "9.9 hp") can produce more than 6.3 HP. And the only way it can produce 6.3hp is if it is 100% efficient at converting electrical power to propulsion which is impossible.
EPropulsion stats are better
@@TinyBoatNation Not as far as I can tell. They vastly over rate their motors as well. 1KW of input power is about1.34 British Horsepower. And that is only if the electric motor is 100% efficient, which it is most certainly not. They "rate" the 1kw motor as a "3 Horsepower" Equivalent.
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Alot of money to fish over fished electric only small lakes. I know because Pennsylvania is full of them.
Did you just say you have to starting worrying about a 25hp yamaha four stroke failing around 5 years?
I thought they go for much longer before you have to touch them.
400 hours
Sounds to me like everybody needs duels/ triples that has advantages as well like I-docking might not need a trolling motor at all?
Cool video 👍 I use torqeedo and karvin electric outboards very powerful
@@TinyBoatNation I have been fallowing your builds for a long time now best tiny boat builder and modder by far !!! Your drive to learn and progress in your builds are impressive indeed!
Cool but 9k for an electric 50hp outboard is crazy. You can almost get a Yamaha 150 SHO but guess you can't fish on these types of electric only waters.
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The Mercruiser V12 is $77,000 per engine.... pretty sure electric can compete on that price point. Even the Yamaha 300s are $30,000-$40,000 a piece.
Mercy’s about $90,000 rigged.
So missing the point. Comparing Electric to a powerful gas Engine is like playing with rubber ducks in your bathtub, as opposed to going out on the deep water & truly fishing & having fun & knowing your going to get back. Cheers
@@slydawwg Meanwhile the Tesla is the fastest production car in the world, and with the next battery upgrade will soon have one of the longest-range production cars in the world, so your statements have no weight. You're exactly like an old man speaking wistfully of coal powered steam engines when diesel existed
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HI Since we fisherman know about reliability of electric motors since we run Minn Kota`s and similar since forever , makes sense to take electric main propulsion also. Also was feeling bad when exhaust goes in the water because of obvious pollution. Stumbled on German E-Bay on HANGKAI brushless outboards from 3.0 to 10 HP with incredible low pricing starting at 436 to 764 Euro. Voltage from 24 for the 3 HP and 60 Volt for the 10 HP ?! There is also 8 HP for 48 Volt for 588 Euro. All transom mount with stick. Obvious China made , didn`t buy one yet but just to inform you....
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With the price of gas now, fueling a gas motor all the time will eventually exceed the initial cost of more costly electric motor setup. The final step is to get a solar panel array at home to charge the boat up. The long view easily favors electric, only issue is paying all the fuel money up front for the technology.
Agreed
The price hike in gas is a politically engineered crisis. Economically the infrastructure isn’t ready for an all electric society. All electric “clean” energy is a facade. Still have rely on the mining the materials for the batteries.
Hint hint to the electric outboard motor company's. This man needs one the godfather of electric power boat's. Hook him up your sales will go up . Trying for ya man. Spot on when buying a boat your really buying a motor and problems
Mike.. Look up Pure WaterCraft. They are coming out with the end all be all electric motor. It can Literally get ur boat up over 20mph
Yeah.... for $30k+ !
mike you are a laugh a minute, did I accidentally click on the "i wanna beee" comedy show? Apparently you use a new fishing method called skip plane trolling where the boat has to be on plane to put the lure in the water. Back in the day I used to use a Minn Kota 36 lb thrust trolling motor hooked to two 6 volt golf cart batteries in a 12 ft jon boat. Almost everyone laughed at my poor boy rig until weigh in time when I usually placed in the top 5. It's really simple, my rig did not go fast & it could not go very far so it forced me to learn the waters I could cover & I kept my secrets to myself.
You only live once. Is that the best you can do ? ;)
ray was around at least a decade before the torqueedo was available.
make one from salvage Bmw I3 or Nissan Leaf or even a Tesla even an electric golf cart basically many choices so far no one here has done that so credit me for the Idea
a 4 stroke DOES NOT HAVE MORE TORQUE than a 2 stroke! I don't know why this myth keeps propagating. they have lower gear ratios to make up for the lack of torque, and feel like they have more but nothing, pound for pound, is going to beat a 2 stroke (rare exceptions, of course).
@@TinyBoatNation you understand how a 2 stroke makes twice the power than a 4 stroke (everything equal, especially displacement) right? no need to go on a mission, it's simple physics.
Good info but cut back on the red bull.
Golden motor has been making electric outboards way longer than Torqeedo .
How do they perform against a normal outboard, I'm more focused on speed😂
they suck
@@TinyBoatNation it’s not comparable, gas outboard motors will always rule over electric for speed
When battery technology gets better(it will). The fastest boats will be electric....same goes for other forms of transportation. Batteries are getting better but they still are not there yet. Electric motors can be unbelievable when it comes to power. The trouble is the weight of the batteries. We need batteries that weigh 200lbs and contain about 50kw of energy. Lifepo4 banks at that weight are only about 10kw....the best Lithium cells available which are Panasonic/Tesla cells are only gonna get ya maybe 15kw of energy now probably 20kw by the end of this year. Still need alot of advancement yet. At that point it will also become popular for short flight aircraft trips as well.
With instant torque our Eclass electric outboards 3kW to 20kW have more power than gas. We have to use bigger propellers than the original HP leg has. We can get speed, even our 4kW planes an aluminium boat at more than 15mph.
Do they water cool the batteries? I have to wonder what a battery for a day of fishing will weigh, and it weighs the same with full charge or no charge.
a well built lithium will be the same or less than a tank of gas.
Welcome to the South, look at the Huntsville, Alabama area... Great Central Location & Great City to boost.
The SHOCKING TRUTH IS NOT THE MOTORS, IT IS THE BATTERY,AND THE TIME AND ABILITY TO RECHARGE!
I am not against Electric motors . I have 5 people that want to go boating and water skiing say the average adult weights 150 pounds up to 200 pounds then you have the weight of the boat and what if I decided to boat a big river with a current. I need a universal motor to fit my needs . Is there a Electric boat motor out there right now to fit my needs ???? Asking for feed back thank you
Electric skiing ? Really ? No, of course not.
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