This is such a great scene. It paints the picture of Alonzo's role in the bigger picture - he's just a puppet for the real players. This is a classic movie
It is more complex than just being some player. It is a direct straight criticism to rich white privileged power being misused to the extreme, for personal gains. The only thing that can hit the same level of the immunity bar, is a cop.
@@michaelbull4344 They weren't High Level enough to avoid getting whacked by the Russians. There is a Hierarchy and Deals are usually made on those Levels. Alonzo got Lucky enough they gave him a chance to make up for the Insult by paying.
What I miss the most about the 80s, 90s and early 2000s is a lot of movies like this were "one day/night" movies. Those type of movies were all kinds of crazy shit happens in one day. It be like that sometimes.
@@sookmajoaby that one is probably my favorite "one day" movie. It's like the original "Joker" in my opinion. A hard working guy who society just ate up and abused, and he just couldn't handle it anymore. That ending is fucked... A briefcase, a lunch, and a man on the edge Each step he's closer to losing his head Is someone in heaven? Are they looking down? Nothing is fair, you look around Falling down Falling down Falling down!!!🤘🤘🤘 One of my fave Iron Maiden songs too btw!
That’s one of the many reasons Denzel got an Oscar for this. His body language instantly changes in the presence of the Wisemen, compared to the rest of this film.
I love the layers of contrast here. You got Jake as a rookie cop, dressed in plain clothing. Alonzo as a squad leader, dressed in a leather jacket with a gold chain- like a glorified street thug. And then you got the big fishes- an FBI captain, DA, and a high profile detective, all dressed in fine suits. Jake is to Alonzo as Alonzo is to these guys.
Good comment and yeah A lot of detectives don’t wear suits and ties. I know detectives from my gym and they wear very causal clothing on the job, t shirt and jeans, leather jacket, bomber jacket and hell one of them has visible hand and neck tattoos.
@@Jackholiday1025 well it is nature of their business on the other hand. They shouldn’t be so attention seeking if they are on the field. You can’t not investigate a drug business in the style of agent Smith.
I love how you can tell that Alonzo secretly hates the system even tho he's basically an agent in the matrix who works for the system. One of Denzel's most interesting and layered characters imo
Wtf are you talking about? Alonzo loves it. And stfu with that Matrix shit, absolutely bad analogy that makes no sense. Just delete your comment. It gives me secondhand embarrassment
He probably did it cause it's best for him to demand respect in the streets of LA. Being a gang banger can only get you so far till you end up dead or in prison. Being a detective will get you alot of power. That power went over Alonzo's head
This scene doesn't seem like much at first. But on a second watch of the movie I realized all these guys were corrupt and at the highest positions on the force.
I always loved that there was a backstory about Alonzo that hung over his head. Pretty cool that he was seemingly so invincible, but he had a huge mark on his back
This is an underrated comment. And it's that mark on his back that pretty much guides all of his decisions throughout the film. It also still ends up leading to his violent demise.
I finally understand what the peanut butter story is about. It's about a guy who thinks he is untouchable, he has been out smarting the system but he doesn't realize that he still has to live with the people that are a part of the system.
@@MrBraddles3128 stories in movies aren’t just funny stories, they’re subtle storytelling devices within the greater story. So calm down, don’t be a prick, and appreciate that this guy appreciates the movie and understands it better than you do
Alonso wasn't corrupt it's just how it is in his position and the only reason why they allowed Alonso to do it was cuz they cared about him and didn't want him dead for something stupid he did and realize the Russian was connected to the russian mafia and they were helping him to get the 1 million he needed to pay them off and roger deserved what he got for selling drugs to kids for so many years like Alonzo said to Jake this chess not checkers and in alonzos position for those people to trust him you have to dirt on you thts how he was so close to roger acted as his friend and all tht and then boom when u have your shot to kill him and take everything he had to help himself out you do it
There's some truth. DEA ALWAYS knows how much coke gets used in America. They're the MAIN dealer. Remember Panama's Manuel Noriega? Invading Panama was illegal. Why did America invade Panama and illegally arrest Noriega? He wanted a bigger payoff. DEA thought he got too greedy and had to be taken out. Noriega was denied a decent trial and nobody in any news media, local or foreign, was allowed to hear his side of the story. That's a violation of international human rights.
@richievu4055 He’s not a fed, he’s an LAPD Captain. FBI doesn’t use titles like Captain because they aren’t paramilitary. .Alonzo suggests Hoyt see the captain BEFORE he has to talk with the feds, implying the captain can help with a delicate situation. None of those guys at the table are federal, feds are the enemy to these types. Source: Family going back over 50 years in the CPD. With a few exceptions (because there are some decent Feds who play both sides), Feds were the one and only group we were always wary of. They simply can’t be trusted and their word means nothing, especially today. It’s not like the old days.
Seems like the wiseman with the cigar knew what would happen to Jake being Alonzo’s new trainee, look at the way he looks at jake; doesn’t even say a word. Seems to feel sorry for him.
Or maybe it was because he's somewhat sad Jake's getting involved knowingly or unknowingly into corruption. Another new rookie, clean, good cop, just going after the easy buck.
@@ThothTheAtlanteanK What are you talking about, dude? Antoine Fuqua has been directing movies every year since Training Day in 2001. He made Brooklyn's Finest in 2009, Olympus had Fallen in 2013, The Equalizer in 2014, The Magnificent Seven in 2016, The Equalizer 2 in 2018, Infinite in 2021, and The Guilty in 2021. All of them are about ex-cops or law enforcement badass dudes shooting people. Stop pretending there's a problem.
@@User-ei7eo My response was to the other commenter's quip on "thank hollyweird and feminism". Whether Fuqua's other movies are average or not, they were made in the spirit and style of Training Day. Feminism didn't force them to be average.
I thought the same. Great cinematography. Mauro Fiore is actually kinda underrated as a cinematographer despite winning an Oscar for Avatar (which was more for the overall "groundbreaking 3D visuals") - Training day, The Island, Real Steel, Magnificent Seven are all really well shot movies.
very interesting the way he said it ... he was always used to being the Alpha but he knew he wasn't one at the table but he wanted to save face so he had to say something..
This is one of those films. The more you watch it, the more you appreciate it for what it is. They established the players, built the foundations of a solid plot and built upon that with scenes that sucked you in. All within the span of a 24 hour day. It wasnt a perfect movie, but a damn good one with a masterfully acted cast.
Yep. He couldn't hold it in any longer. Properly seen the same pattern over the years especially as a superior. He looked genuinely worried for Alonzo's safety and the ability to provide him with extra cash and favors.
What’s scary is how much of a threat the Russians were to seasoned cops. Like, I thought cops were untouchable and to kill a detective would have the whole force on your ass. This is making it seem like even the cops can’t do sht against the Russian mob, which is terrifying.
Oh yeah, my favorite moment from him in this scene! I don't remember seeing any other movie where a character made this very specific eye shifting thing. Anxious as hell!
@@IronMan-tk8uc maybe the guy who played General Burgdorf in Downfall. When Hitler is screaming at his generals he shifts his eyes in such an intense manner. It really adds to the tension of arguing with a furious dictator on the verge of a complete mental breakdown.
I like to watch him and he's good, no doubt, but he's a one trick pony. There are much better actors out there with a much wider range, like Gary Oldman or Daniel Day Lewis. Even Christian Bale can play more characters than Denzel.
Well shot scene. You can feel the atmosphere there.... he's sitting at the table with the big dogs, you can sense the tension in the air, and dialogue and interchanges definitely get that across
What I like about this scene is how he starts laughing before he tells the story, makes it infectious, almost impossible to not find it funny. Little moments like this that are realistic are what make movies for me.
@@cayden6033 I was referring to the detective. Like when they're egging him on to tell it, and he shakes his head and starts smiling about it, through all of his anger he still can't help but find it funny too. But you are spot on, Denzel is definitely trying to fit in with people above his pay grade. The way he talks down to Jake, they do to him.
+charlie c Not to worry my man, The Pacific Dining Car is still around and won't go anywhere anytime soon. Also this place is open 24 hours, but it is a bit pricy $$$.
Michael Sinclair Tom Berenger was the sadistic Sergeant Barnes in the 1986 hit Platoon and was nominated for best supporting actor at the Oscars but won a Golden Globe for his portrayal of Barnes.
Notice how these guys use the word "prick" so Alonzo also adopts the usage of the word "prick" as well. That's because Alonzo is making an effort to change his vernacular and behavior around these guys to fit in. It shows how Alonzo is hyper-conscious of every social setting he inhabits. He even introduces Jake to them by using their full names, which is never how he introduces any other characters in the movie, showing that Alonzo genuinely tries to earn their respect. Not to mention every time Alonzo laughs, he looks at the wisemen around him to see if they're laughing. And when he calls Landers a "sharp gal" and the other wisemen burst out laughing, you can hear Alonzo say "no?" revealing that the joke was accidental, and that these guys are on a different league. Also, every time Alonzo drinks an alcoholic beverage, it's supposed to be a visual queue that we are learning more about Alonzo, and another side of him is being revealed. When he is in Roger's house, he drinks liquor, because we are seeing his friendly side as he banters with Roger, and conceals his intentions to betray Roger later. When he's driving the Monte Carlo, he drinks beer, because we are seeing his manipulative side as he breaks through Jake's morals and attempts to persuade him that sometimes breaking the rules is the right thing to do. In this scene, he drinks wine, because we are seeing his elitist side as he tries to convince these horsemen that he's too good at his job to die at the hands of the Russian mafia, and that his sins will never catch up to him. Also, the line at 2:49 is significant: "give him credit: he worked the system; he deserves his freedom." It basically reveals Alonzo's true colors, outlining and reestablishing the antagonistic worldview that Jake will eventually have to confront in the climax of the movie. He believes defying the rules of the system is not wrong if you can get away with it. And Jake laughing at the story shows that throughout the day, Alonzo has slowly taken apart and altered Jake's moral code, and even altered the mentality of the audience. We're hearing a story about a criminal walking free in the streets, who, based on the fact that he avoided his punishment and showed little to no remorse, we can predict will likely become a repeat offender. But because, like Jake, you've been trained to admire Alonzo throughout the movie, you can't help yourself but laugh along with him about the situation. It's also funny how, right after that line at 2:49, when Doug Rosselli challenges what Alonzo says, Alonzo backtracks, because Alonzo knows that he's the subordinate at the table. He realizes that it looks like he's siding with the criminal, and that he's not acting elitist enough to these guys' standards by separating himself from the criminals and vowing to serve street justice to the criminal. Later at 3:39, Alonzo says he'll cash in one of his accounts. That's how he has dehumanized Roger. He sees Roger not as a friend, he views him as an account. We also see Jake sipping wine at 1:28. Although drinking wine is a shared action between Alonzo and Jake, the differing colors of their drinks is symbolic of their differing approaches to fighting crime. Alonzo has corrupted Jake enough by this point in the movie that Jake feels comfortable drinking while he's technically supposed to be on the job, but the color of Jake's wine (white) represents the deep-seeded virtues within him that motivate him as a cop. Jake's moral compass has been far from abandoned. Alonzo's wine (red) represents what motivates him as a cop. While Jake retains a basic level of honesty, purity, and innocence, Alonzo is driven by his passions, impulses, and selfishness. And I haven't even talked about the clothing these characters wear. Mostly because I think the reason why Alonzo wears black throughout the entire movie (except the climax) and Jake wears a white shirt under his dark-colored hoodie is self evident. Although I should point out that Jake's white shirt gets stained with red blood after Alonzo betrays Jake and abandons him with the Sureño gang members who almost shoot him in a bathtub. It's nice symbolism for Jake losing his innocence. And I should also point out that Alonzo wears a white undershirt in the climax because the white represents how pathetically transparent the motivations behind Alonzo's smooth talk are, and we can see what a POS Alonzo truly is. This scene accomplishes so much in such little runtime. It's so rare to see a movie written this tightly. Each scene is so rich with story, but you know what the best part about this movie is? You don't need any special intuition to enjoy this movie. You can enjoy Training Day as a casual viewer who wants to turn their brain off and experience simple escapism, or you can enjoy it as someone like me who neurotically reads way too much into everything. Congratulations for reaching the end of this comment.
I'm a diagnosed malignant narcissist (ASPD+NPD) and Denzel 'performance' is too good to be contrived; sometimes actors lift the curtain (Ralph Fiennes in Sch List another example) ...your appreciation for nuance and subtlety is impressive and just wanted to say that I enjoyed your comment and it resonated personally.
You said thank you for reading the whole comment as if you were trolling. Lol, the original script writers would have to salute your breakdown if they read it. If you don't have a youtube channel, start one! 1000s will subscribe
AZK91 I agree. People have this odd narrative they pretends going on here. “Alonzos soooo nervous here.”. You mean when he reaches over and grabs their wine and pours a glass without asking? Quit pretending he’s shaking in his boots because you want to pretend you’re some body language expert.
@@KobaAM I never felt he was scared but I felt he was the Enforcer on the Streets and they were the Enforcers in the Offices so it's like they were equal cause I'm sure if they turned their backs on him he would straight up tell them You forget I do the work on the streets we both need each other
@@mentlinc he said that because the suspect that he worked so hard to put away got a light deal on his sentence (probably only treatment at a low security level psychiatric clinic vs. actual prison time) because of him basically showing (pretending) to the court that he was crazy with the peanut butter ruse. Doug is disgruntled and defeated over how the system so easily worked in the suspect’s favor that he wants to kill him himself.
@@mentlinc it foreshadows what the Russians did to Alonzo at the end of the film. He tried to finesse his way across killing a Russian mafia boss/or high ranking member thinking he can live when in reality someone of power is going to kill him
It's also a commentary that once you pass a certain line legally or morally (like Alonzo did), the only price you pay is with your life because you have lost the legal or moral pre-requisites to the protection of both. Thus Alonzo screaming impotently that he's the law when the people in a neighbourhood ignore him.
The three wisemen aren't even the top of the dung heap. A captain, a detective and a DA. None of those guys could provide Lonzo with the warrant he needed to make the raid on Roger legal. These dudes are like connected middlemen. The money Lonzo gave the DA was to pay a judge off for the paperwork. This like watching a mafia movie but we only get to see the made men and the soldiers, not the real bosses or the capos.
If this movie setting does take place in 2001, these guys really just may be at the top. They seem to be either pioneers or graduated students of 80’s and 90’s CRASH units which is what this story is based around. Anyone higher than them is a chief of police who is more than usually closely connected to the mayors office. If they’ve made it thru the 80’s and 90’s with these high profile titles, they have major pull
And the Captain def outranks everyone. The DA is a major facilitator to determine if a shoot is clean or not, the Detective brought Alonzo in, but the Cap runs the show here
They way the Detective analyze Jake from head to toe is almost chilling like a hunter, the way the captain sizes him up during the handshake, and the way the head of the shooting squad pays him no mind because of the mess Alonzo stirred up in Vegas… the way Alonzo was having Jake chase his own tail all day he was smart to listen in as much as he could
Harris Yulin’s character is the most complex here. He’s a bridled part of a very corrupt system, and yet he still takes being an officer of the law seriously. He is genuinely pissed off about a criminal cheating the system and getting away with it, even though that’s what the three of them do every day. Then his answer is vigilante justice, because it’s the only justice he can deliver, but at least some justice was served, and that’s his job.
The chemistry between Ethan Hawke and Denzel in every scene is so damn dope. The little nuances of the already invested "comradiere" between them, despite it being Jake's first day. 0:40 The playfulness of Jake mockingly rolling his eyes like a little brother that was told to wait by Big bro Alonzo is just one of the many examples throughout the film. Denzel's performance is peak art for sure, but Ethan brought his A-Game as well. I can't get enough of these two and it's tragic af that they didn't do more work together. Seeing those moments damn near makes me wish we had gotten a happier ending instead. An ending that would have managed to keep this dynamic alive for future films.
The way he moves his eyes back and forth. The way he puckers his lips drinking the wine as he's getting scolded.... Denzel nailed this role so damn good. The bar was set pretty high after this one.
If the government is corrupt.... why is the "rabbit hole" of the police force considered deep? Do people really believe the idealistic lies about the "government" and "establishment" acting in their best interest? Like really, even now in 2021? LOL
Always a fan of Berenger, just a great actor to his core, even in smaller roles. Alongside Denzel, nothing but great friction and chemistry in every moment, no question. Top talents
I love how (after having seen the movie and knowing the full story that the latinos tell later) you can practically see what happened: Alonzo in the club, drunk, someone (the Russian) bumps into him and spills his drink and he loses it, and beats a the Russian mobster to death in the back, gets manhandled and taken into a back room and beaten, they demand $1 million in a week and throw him out on the street. Great storytelling without actually telling.
I'd say it's that somehow the Russian called him a bitch. Look at how he responds every time it happens. Extremely violent. I've always wondered if he would even have killed Roger if Roger didn't call him "their bitch."
Great scene...excellent choice by Antoine Fuqua to get 3 pros like Tom Berenger, Raymond J. Barry and Harris Yulin to play the wise men...on the DVD commentary Fuqua said he was thrilled these great character actors did the movie.
Antoine brought guys that could bring the type of gravitas that you needed in a scene like that. It takes a certain type of actor to be able to carry that scene up..... You want an actor that can carry that dialogue and carry that scene forward but can share with the other actors in there.
To add to that imagine for argument's sake if you put someone else in Denzel's role and then put Denzel in that meeting as one of the wise men Denzel would overpower every actor in that scene in my opinion.
If you try to imagine Alonzo's backstory. You can see those guys were probably the ones that brought him into corruption like he, and his team was trying to do with Hoytt later. In the beginning of his career you can imagine Alonzi actually trying to do good like Jake was, but unlike him he actaully went with it.
I like how you can notice there's a boss, a manager and a supervisor 😅. The boss and manager are just looking and seeing how the Supervisor handle's this situation. Damn how that relates and feels so much like working at your job.
Watched this for the first time earlier this year, and it's the best written and acted movie I've ever seen in my entire life. This is a timeless masterpiece, and deserve a solid 10/10 rating
@@jadezee6316 that’s your opinion. When it came out in 2001, I bought the dvd and watched every day, for a month! One of the best movies of my lifetime, and I’m a 70’s baby.
@@StoneGone hi mate that’s an interesting comment… how come you watched it every day for a month can I ask? was it to pick up on subtle things you might have missed out the first time?
I always loved how everyone in this scene works. Such beautiful talent all in one scene. Not to mention, it's better during the rewatch: The puppeteers talk to the puppet, who pupeteers the rookie. Such a great work of a film. EDIT): I love this moment at 2:58
These dudes are high up, but the DW character is the king of the streets and they know this. As soon as they heard he had a way out of the predicament, they ok’d it. The man was a player in the game, but a formidable one.
Such an iconic and hillarious scene, and legend of a film. An extremely underrated film that covers such an iconic storyline, with a legendary cast like Denzel Washington, characters, and track too it. Watched it on my birthday today on the 19th of April, and was extremely worth it. I don't want to spoil too much, but its worth every penny, and very intense, action packed, and interesting for those who are interested in watching.
Training Day, Book of Eli, The Equalizer, & many...MANY more masterful roles, executed by an acting arts master, Denzel Washington! We may never again see another individual who is so...locked into his/her art like this gentleman is.
Glory, Flight, The Siege, John Q, Courage Under Fire, Crimson Tide, Fallen, The Bone Collector, Malcom X, Man on Fire, Deja Vu, and Inside Man are others aswell.
Alonso laughs as a way to fit in here. He doesn't know the punchline, unlike the other wisemen. Many times this occurs in social situations. This whole movie is a statement of how people behave and change with different people under different social circumstances in order to benefit themselves.
I think its great acting that Harris Yulin, who plays the guy telling the story, laughs along with everyone even though he's mad about it. He can't help but laugh at his own pain with his friends about how terrible his luck is.
I first watched this movie when I was a kid, so it took me a couple years and some clarification from my dad for me to really understand how pivotal this scene was to the movie.
Masterful scene - with the presence of extremely extraordinary seasoned thespians - with Denzel looming largest. The subtle, yet powerful expressions and eye shifting- the closeups and editing were critical here. It’s akin to what “ Alonzo” alluded to - seeking counsel with “3 Wise Men.” The scene also perfectly depicts the true arrogance and pomposity of real life top brass cops and decorated/corrupt detective within the LAPD - trust me, I’ve witnessed them in Los Angeles in the turbulent 1990s and early 2000s - most of them are real pricks!!
My Dad and some Vets I know, always referred to mental hospital as the "Puzzle-Factory". This was the first time I ever heard anyone else use the term. Cracked me up.
The guy telling the peanut butter story establishes himself as the best actor of the three wise men right here 0:38 without even saying anything... When Jake says "Nice to meet you", he just gives him that look "So polite - must be a total beginner in this dirty business".
All of the wisemen are like a part of Alanzo’s personality. The funny one, the sympathetic one, the aggressive one, and the killer. “I’m going to do him if I see him on the streets.” Same what Alanzo was doing with alley crackhead. He’s like all four of them combined.
Did anyone notice that the cop telling the story was the narcotics chief detective Mel Bernstein in Scarface Montana: "So long Mel have a great trip". Mel: "Fuck You !"
His name is Harris Yulin, good actor, tends to play a cop or someone in law enforcement quite frequently. Also, a fun fact, he and Denzel were in the movie "The Hurricane."
How come people don't mention Training Day when talking about all time great gangster movies, it should be there. It's a great movie. Edit: You guys are saying Training Day is not a gangster movie, but I see a lot of gangs and gangsters in the movie. Plus by definition, Alonzo is a gangster, he is a gangster with rackets, an outlaw. Look up the word gangster and the definition.
@@Relbl I liked that, actually. It felt like Alonzo had had a lot of trainees like Jake, but in this case Jake's goodness and a piece of luck turned the tables in his favor...
This is basically the Roger scene. When he tells the story about the snail and answers his phone saying It's your mess you clean it up. He's basically telling Alonzo he's not helping him out of this.
Very subtlety acted scene. The more you look at it, the more you realize these guys are all fine professional actors. - because you d swear they were real cops.
This is such a great scene. It paints the picture of Alonzo's role in the bigger picture - he's just a puppet for the real players. This is a classic movie
The Wise Men are a powerful old white boys' network. No way Alonzo, a tough black street cop, could penetrate it. Even though he wanted to.
But these guys knew not too touch a made mafia man. They know what likes not to cross Alonzo was a hothead the Mexican gang said the same thing.
It is more complex than just being some player. It is a direct straight criticism to rich white privileged power being misused to the extreme, for personal gains. The only thing that can hit the same level of the immunity bar, is a cop.
@@michaelbull4344 They weren't High Level enough to avoid getting whacked by the Russians. There is a Hierarchy and Deals are usually made on those Levels. Alonzo got Lucky enough they gave him a chance to make up for the Insult by paying.
@@thousandyoung They gave Alonzo a chance to pay off because he was a cop. Killing a cop in the US is not like killing a cop in Russia.
What I miss the most about the 80s, 90s and early 2000s is a lot of movies like this were "one day/night" movies. Those type of movies were all kinds of crazy shit happens in one day. It be like that sometimes.
TophDaGreat collateral
Yes or a really intense couple of days. Perfect example “Man on Fire”
They still exist, they're just not as good as they used to be.
'Falling down '
@@sookmajoaby that one is probably my favorite "one day" movie. It's like the original "Joker" in my opinion. A hard working guy who society just ate up and abused, and he just couldn't handle it anymore. That ending is fucked...
A briefcase, a lunch, and a man on the edge
Each step he's closer to losing his head
Is someone in heaven? Are they looking down?
Nothing is fair, you look around
Falling down
Falling down
Falling down!!!🤘🤘🤘
One of my fave Iron Maiden songs too btw!
Alonzo is basically at Jake's level when sitting with the wise men.
Too right. Good one.
Italian are you Joseph Burtulato??? No surprise, as you're white in the end......
They are Freemasons
@Angelthe original comment obviously went over your head
It's not about his level ...it's the conversation being held & those having it.
I would love to see a Training Day prequel showing Alonso going from a good cop to a corrupt cop.
and that day he fucked up
There will be one afaik
Great Idea Yo.. i would like to see that
Check out the deleted scenes
If they didn’t do one immediately after this one, they ain’t doing one now 20 years later
I like how in this scene alonzo becomes jake hoyt as soon as he sits down
Erik Rasmussen good observation this is the only time in the movie in which Alonzo doesn’t know how to act he feels overpowered by the 3 wisemen..
Because he isn't a boss. He is just another lapdog like the drug dealer told him.
No shit hahaha
Like Roger said, he's their bitch, ass kisser
That’s one of the many reasons Denzel got an Oscar for this. His body language instantly changes in the presence of the Wisemen, compared to the rest of this film.
I love the layers of contrast here. You got Jake as a rookie cop, dressed in plain clothing. Alonzo as a squad leader, dressed in a leather jacket with a gold chain- like a glorified street thug. And then you got the big fishes- an FBI captain, DA, and a high profile detective, all dressed in fine suits. Jake is to Alonzo as Alonzo is to these guys.
Good comment and yeah A lot of detectives don’t wear suits and ties. I know detectives from my gym and they wear very causal clothing on the job, t shirt and jeans, leather jacket, bomber jacket and hell one of them has visible hand and neck tattoos.
@@Jackholiday1025 well it is nature of their business on the other hand. They shouldn’t be so attention seeking if they are on the field. You can’t not investigate a drug business in the style of agent Smith.
How was Alonzo dressed like a “thug” racist
@@ThoughtAbout-vm8sv How is it racist? You saying that thugs can only be black people? Got something to confess, you racist? 🤨📷
@@ThoughtAbout-vm8sv he is. no need to white knight. you are white, aren't you?
Officer Jake Hoyt basically got 20 years experience on his first day at the job
🤣🤣🤣
He had the worst day ever
@@thechild7355the kinda day that makes you wanna do even better at your job or quit and head the fuck out.
Bro had the worst first day as a cop only second to Leon Kennedy.
Bro did a speedrun
@@shayanahmed7132 It's funny you mentioned that because everytime I see Leon in RE2 I ALWAYS think about Jake Hoyt Lol
Can you imagine how corrupt and evil these three guys are to dwarf Alonzo like this?
LOL well said the truth can be very humorous wen delivered in such simple ways
Access is power
@@pontiacGXPfanand power Is access
I love how you can tell that Alonzo secretly hates the system even tho he's basically an agent in the matrix who works for the system. One of Denzel's most interesting and layered characters imo
Wtf are you talking about? Alonzo loves it. And stfu with that Matrix shit, absolutely bad analogy that makes no sense. Just delete your comment. It gives me secondhand embarrassment
@@somnuswaltz5586 calm down your hormones honey, you're gonna lose your period
100% right theory. You can see at the beginning how he took a red pill
He probably did it cause it's best for him to demand respect in the streets of LA. Being a gang banger can only get you so far till you end up dead or in prison. Being a detective will get you alot of power. That power went over Alonzo's head
cope
This scene doesn't seem like much at first. But on a second watch of the movie I realized all these guys were corrupt and at the highest positions on the force.
Man I never even noticed that, until you just mentioned it right now tho too!
@@josephblanchard6248 Watch the directors comments. He mentions a lot of things that were missed lol
come on... U knew from the clothes they were fucked up. everythang Funny, until its real Munny
@@MajinErick what are you talking about?
@@sowhat... directors comments.
I always loved that there was a backstory about Alonzo that hung over his head. Pretty cool that he was seemingly so invincible, but he had a huge mark on his back
This is an underrated comment. And it's that mark on his back that pretty much guides all of his decisions throughout the film. It also still ends up leading to his violent demise.
He's a mark ass bih
I second this comment! Great movie. The only reason the wise men tolerate Alonso is that he has dirt on each of them.
@@ailtorresAccess is power
I finally understand what the peanut butter story is about. It's about a guy who thinks he is untouchable, he has been out smarting the system but he doesn't realize that he still has to live with the people that are a part of the system.
It’s just a funny fucking story. Nothing more.
@@MrBraddles3128 u so dumb
@@MrBraddles3128 I'm pretty sure the story is about allonzo. But I could be wronf
@@MrBraddles3128 stories in movies aren’t just funny stories, they’re subtle storytelling devices within the greater story. So calm down, don’t be a prick, and appreciate that this guy appreciates the movie and understands it better than you do
smiles and cries
This was probably the most important scene in the movie he got the green light from top chiefs to commit his crime and coverup.
he got greenlit by paying his tribute to them. hence why he asked who's driving.
tsuba14 so what does that mean for the driver ? Red Mercedes?
@@jcguevara4465 In the movie, iirc, he drops off the money he stole in the back of the car in exchange for a warrant.
The Riptide Raptor yea I got that later he bribed him for the warrant to raid roger
Alonso wasn't corrupt it's just how it is in his position and the only reason why they allowed Alonso to do it was cuz they cared about him and didn't want him dead for something stupid he did and realize the Russian was connected to the russian mafia and they were helping him to get the 1 million he needed to pay them off and roger deserved what he got for selling drugs to kids for so many years like Alonzo said to Jake this chess not checkers and in alonzos position for those people to trust him you have to dirt on you thts how he was so close to roger acted as his friend and all tht and then boom when u have your shot to kill him and take everything he had to help himself out you do it
These are his teachers. They raised him and deal with him with respect and concern. Great scene. Kind of begs for a prequel
always with the fucking prequels, background lore and all the stupid shit. just leave it how it is god damned
@@hazardeur😂
Why do I have the feeling that these kind of shady deals go on with more frequency than we think
j2times2006 Because you're perceptive.
My thoughts too
Cuz they do .
It's called survival.
There's some truth. DEA ALWAYS knows how much coke gets used in America. They're the MAIN dealer. Remember Panama's Manuel Noriega? Invading Panama was illegal. Why did America invade Panama and illegally arrest Noriega? He wanted a bigger payoff. DEA thought he got too greedy and had to be taken out. Noriega was denied a decent trial and nobody in any news media, local or foreign, was allowed to hear his side of the story. That's a violation of international human rights.
Love this part where they make Alonzo look like some small fish.
@74kjohnson 💯
Wade They're the higher ups in the LAPD.
or not
Allen Greene theyre not all LAPD. Alonso says the first guy is a fed (FBI) and the second guy is DA shooting team.
RCP Pilot Alzono is speaking to three top officials in LAPD they have more power then Alzono.
Only one gentleman at that table and that's the one who stood up to shake Jake's hand during the introductions.
You would be correct sir.
EDIT: I had to add- For some reason a lot of proper etiquette has been lost with kids today...
As the table went around the higher levels of corruption went up.
FBI that’s why
It would be awkward given their position on the table. And the art guy is pissed right now
@richievu4055 He’s not a fed, he’s an LAPD Captain. FBI doesn’t use titles like Captain because they aren’t paramilitary. .Alonzo suggests Hoyt see the captain BEFORE he has to talk with the feds, implying the captain can help with a delicate situation. None of those guys at the table are federal, feds are the enemy to these types. Source: Family going back over 50 years in the CPD. With a few exceptions (because there are some decent Feds who play both sides), Feds were the one and only group we were always wary of. They simply can’t be trusted and their word means nothing, especially today. It’s not like the old days.
Seems like the wiseman with the cigar knew what would happen to Jake being Alonzo’s new trainee, look at the way he looks at jake; doesn’t even say a word. Seems to feel sorry for him.
exactly.. that look he gave him was more like a pity one
Or maybe it was because he's somewhat sad Jake's getting involved knowingly or unknowingly into corruption. Another new rookie, clean, good cop, just going after the easy buck.
A strange day for you to have a trainee following you around Alonzo........
It'll work out fine.
Or not
Michael Jordan I saw it more of a “poor bastard, he doesn’t know how things really are” type of feeling.
Will the real Michael Jordan please stand up...
This scene is so multi layered its amazing. I really don't know what I would do if movies like these went away.
Too late they are gone. Thank Hollyweird and Feminism for that.
@@ThothTheAtlanteanK Hollywood is all on Disney/ MCU ball sack now sadly
@@AdamWest1290 Agreed! That's the truth!
@@ThothTheAtlanteanK What are you talking about, dude? Antoine Fuqua has been directing movies every year since Training Day in 2001. He made Brooklyn's Finest in 2009, Olympus had Fallen in 2013, The Equalizer in 2014, The Magnificent Seven in 2016, The Equalizer 2 in 2018, Infinite in 2021, and The Guilty in 2021. All of them are about ex-cops or law enforcement badass dudes shooting people. Stop pretending there's a problem.
@@User-ei7eo My response was to the other commenter's quip on "thank hollyweird and feminism". Whether Fuqua's other movies are average or not, they were made in the spirit and style of Training Day. Feminism didn't force them to be average.
This scene is one of the coldest out there.. It shows that even the top dog in his world can be a pawn in somebody elses
That part!
The lighting in this scene is genius.
The lighting in throughout the whole movie is genius.
I thought the same. Great cinematography. Mauro Fiore is actually kinda underrated as a cinematographer despite winning an Oscar for Avatar (which was more for the overall "groundbreaking 3D visuals") - Training day, The Island, Real Steel, Magnificent Seven are all really well shot movies.
@Woody Meggs Yes, an informal adjective for the noun "genius".
@@srb-ef3zs no lol he’s asking why Is it genius 😂
Try watching this movie when it’s cloudy outside .. open the window. Fucking amazing
I love how lonzo calls the other guy a prick for calling him a dead man.
Ya
very interesting the way he said it ... he was always used to being the Alpha but he knew he wasn't one at the table but he wanted to save face so he had to say something..
They own him frfr
Then says "excuse me" before pouring some vino
This is one of those films. The more you watch it, the more you appreciate it for what it is. They established the players, built the foundations of a solid plot and built upon that with scenes that sucked you in. All within the span of a 24 hour day. It wasnt a perfect movie, but a damn good one with a masterfully acted cast.
It's among the best I've seen. By having a perfect story, that makes it a perfect film.
"How did you ever screw up so bad" lol it was over after that 😂
Alonzo knew he screwed up right there
I would've shat my pants as Alonzo by that point
@@Yetipfote You can hear the confidence in his voice crack in his response, he probably was shitting and they were nice enough to not say anything.
Yep. He couldn't hold it in any longer. Properly seen the same pattern over the years especially as a superior. He looked genuinely worried for Alonzo's safety and the ability to provide him with extra cash and favors.
@@kickerse13 What he did exactly?
4:05 Tom Berenger goes from calm. To completely serious in seconds. This scene, on its own, has better dialogue and acting. Than most movies nowadays.
Are you his son?
So Sgt. Barnes wound up surviving ‘Nam after all 😂
@@KingKhanate1997 hahaha :D
holy shit that's Tom Berenger?
Tom Berrenger is Barnes back from Vietnam now working for the DEA
I love how they have a good laugh and everyone's having a good time then immediately into "how did you ever screw up so bad?"
And his eyes roll to see all of them to read them. Brilliant acting.
What’s scary is how much of a threat the Russians were to seasoned cops.
Like, I thought cops were untouchable and to kill a detective would have the whole force on your ass.
This is making it seem like even the cops can’t do sht against the Russian mob, which is terrifying.
American mobs/crews have rules. Russian Vor are a different breed...
@@BlaneNostalgia Inside info?
Russians and mob are different breeds for police. And u don’t even wanna mention how bad cartels are
3:20 It's all about 3:20. Without a word of dialogue, just with his shifty eyes, Denzel conveys it all. It just got REAL in that moment. Awesome.
Oh yeah, my favorite moment from him in this scene! I don't remember seeing any other movie where a character made this very specific eye shifting thing. Anxious as hell!
@@IronMan-tk8uc maybe the guy who played General Burgdorf in Downfall. When Hitler is screaming at his generals he shifts his eyes in such an intense manner. It really adds to the tension of arguing with a furious dictator on the verge of a complete mental breakdown.
@@acrazysheepdog1555 Ok.
Denzel Washington is arguably one of the best actors of all time.
Not even arguably. He is one of the best
I like to watch him and he's good, no doubt, but he's a one trick pony. There are much better actors out there with a much wider range, like Gary Oldman or Daniel Day Lewis. Even Christian Bale can play more characters than Denzel.
@@Ricardo-cl3vs lmao Denzel is way better.
@@c_dotwildland6695
Lmao, no he's not.. 😅 😂 🤣
@@Ricardo-cl3vs Nah. But CB is tight tho
Well shot scene. You can feel the atmosphere there.... he's sitting at the table with the big dogs, you can sense the tension in the air, and dialogue and interchanges definitely get that across
This scene shows that everybody works for somebody bigger, and we are all a part of a system that's bigger than one individual
What I like about this scene is how he starts laughing before he tells the story, makes it infectious, almost impossible to not find it funny. Little moments like this that are realistic are what make movies for me.
i would also say that he laughed because he was trying to fit in, almost as if Denzel has become jake when he's around the 3 wise men.
@@cayden6033 I was referring to the detective. Like when they're egging him on to tell it, and he shakes his head and starts smiling about it, through all of his anger he still can't help but find it funny too. But you are spot on, Denzel is definitely trying to fit in with people above his pay grade. The way he talks down to Jake, they do to him.
Great scene , My cousin and I ate here last Saturday.
And yes The Baseball steak is on the menu.
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Berringer, Barry, and Yulin. 3 great actors who just dominate this scene. Love it
Talk about a screen presence...wow they def own it
Loved Barry in X-files. Been a fan since. He has smooth voice
smiles and cries.
Chuck Steak Stay away from robin :)
Put the drink down.
This scene makes you realise that Alonzo is simply a little fish in a pond full of bigger fishes. Just a puppet on a string.
Alonzo is to the 3 Wise men what Jake is to him.
And even the bigger fish at this table has to answer to even bigger fish to get that warrant
Wise man: “The Russians don’t care if you have a badge, they’ll WAK you.” Goosebumps because lonzo also knew his destiny
Ethan Hawke is like me in the school cafeteria in this scene.
Why do you eat by yourself?
i thought that i was the only 1 that thunk this especially when he meets the strike team. like u would be the last 1 being picked in gym class.
MrJimmy3459 i vut
Mac i like this part
if you have to ask, then you will never understand the answer.
I can watch this movie over and over again... Denzel is bloody brilliant!
👍
The peanut butter court story is hysterically funny! Has me LMAO watching this scene and film a million times already..
Raymond J Barry, Tom Berenger, and Harris Yulin never gets the accreditation they deserve for being damn good actors.
well i mean tom berenger has a golden globe and emmy so I'd say he has been recognized for his acting ability.
Harry Yulin has form, he appeared in the Brian De Palma film Scarface (1983) as corrupt cop Mel Bernstein.
Barry was outstanding in Justified. Real mean SOB
Michael Sinclair Tom Berenger was the sadistic Sergeant Barnes in the 1986 hit Platoon and was nominated for best supporting actor at the Oscars but won a Golden Globe for his portrayal of Barnes.
Barry was great in Falling Down and Born on the 4th of July
hes so fuckin natural, its like he doesnt fit the role, the role fits him. he bends fuckin reality with his bossness
Denzel is the most talented actor of our time imo. He flows so perfectly in intense roles like this. His only equal is Daniel Day Lewis.
@@Brandon-iq3dj Jeff bridges
Notice how these guys use the word "prick" so Alonzo also adopts the usage of the word "prick" as well. That's because Alonzo is making an effort to change his vernacular and behavior around these guys to fit in. It shows how Alonzo is hyper-conscious of every social setting he inhabits. He even introduces Jake to them by using their full names, which is never how he introduces any other characters in the movie, showing that Alonzo genuinely tries to earn their respect. Not to mention every time Alonzo laughs, he looks at the wisemen around him to see if they're laughing. And when he calls Landers a "sharp gal" and the other wisemen burst out laughing, you can hear Alonzo say "no?" revealing that the joke was accidental, and that these guys are on a different league.
Also, every time Alonzo drinks an alcoholic beverage, it's supposed to be a visual queue that we are learning more about Alonzo, and another side of him is being revealed. When he is in Roger's house, he drinks liquor, because we are seeing his friendly side as he banters with Roger, and conceals his intentions to betray Roger later. When he's driving the Monte Carlo, he drinks beer, because we are seeing his manipulative side as he breaks through Jake's morals and attempts to persuade him that sometimes breaking the rules is the right thing to do. In this scene, he drinks wine, because we are seeing his elitist side as he tries to convince these horsemen that he's too good at his job to die at the hands of the Russian mafia, and that his sins will never catch up to him.
Also, the line at 2:49 is significant: "give him credit: he worked the system; he deserves his freedom." It basically reveals Alonzo's true colors, outlining and reestablishing the antagonistic worldview that Jake will eventually have to confront in the climax of the movie. He believes defying the rules of the system is not wrong if you can get away with it. And Jake laughing at the story shows that throughout the day, Alonzo has slowly taken apart and altered Jake's moral code, and even altered the mentality of the audience. We're hearing a story about a criminal walking free in the streets, who, based on the fact that he avoided his punishment and showed little to no remorse, we can predict will likely become a repeat offender. But because, like Jake, you've been trained to admire Alonzo throughout the movie, you can't help yourself but laugh along with him about the situation.
It's also funny how, right after that line at 2:49, when Doug Rosselli challenges what Alonzo says, Alonzo backtracks, because Alonzo knows that he's the subordinate at the table. He realizes that it looks like he's siding with the criminal, and that he's not acting elitist enough to these guys' standards by separating himself from the criminals and vowing to serve street justice to the criminal.
Later at 3:39, Alonzo says he'll cash in one of his accounts. That's how he has dehumanized Roger. He sees Roger not as a friend, he views him as an account.
We also see Jake sipping wine at 1:28. Although drinking wine is a shared action between Alonzo and Jake, the differing colors of their drinks is symbolic of their differing approaches to fighting crime. Alonzo has corrupted Jake enough by this point in the movie that Jake feels comfortable drinking while he's technically supposed to be on the job, but the color of Jake's wine (white) represents the deep-seeded virtues within him that motivate him as a cop. Jake's moral compass has been far from abandoned. Alonzo's wine (red) represents what motivates him as a cop. While Jake retains a basic level of honesty, purity, and innocence, Alonzo is driven by his passions, impulses, and selfishness.
And I haven't even talked about the clothing these characters wear. Mostly because I think the reason why Alonzo wears black throughout the entire movie (except the climax) and Jake wears a white shirt under his dark-colored hoodie is self evident. Although I should point out that Jake's white shirt gets stained with red blood after Alonzo betrays Jake and abandons him with the Sureño gang members who almost shoot him in a bathtub. It's nice symbolism for Jake losing his innocence. And I should also point out that Alonzo wears a white undershirt in the climax because the white represents how pathetically transparent the motivations behind Alonzo's smooth talk are, and we can see what a POS Alonzo truly is.
This scene accomplishes so much in such little runtime. It's so rare to see a movie written this tightly. Each scene is so rich with story, but you know what the best part about this movie is? You don't need any special intuition to enjoy this movie. You can enjoy Training Day as a casual viewer who wants to turn their brain off and experience simple escapism, or you can enjoy it as someone like me who neurotically reads way too much into everything.
Congratulations for reaching the end of this comment.
Hermano me leí todo tu comentario , esta película es mi favorita en 37 años de vida. Saludos desde Argentina Bs As.
That’s some really deep shit, but I follow you…… Still in my top 5 movies ever
I'm a diagnosed malignant narcissist (ASPD+NPD) and Denzel 'performance' is too good to be contrived; sometimes actors lift the curtain (Ralph Fiennes in Sch List another example) ...your appreciation for nuance and subtlety is impressive and just wanted to say that I enjoyed your comment and it resonated personally.
You said thank you for reading the whole comment as if you were trolling. Lol, the original script writers would have to salute your breakdown if they read it. If you don't have a youtube channel, start one! 1000s will subscribe
I straight up love you for this huge breakdown.
Alonzo got owned in this scene suddenly he became the rookie but tells Dre
"Don't worry about it...spoke to the three wise men its all good"
Everything is lovely
@TheRealist 811 I'm not even sure if he was talked down to. They showed care and even compassion towards Alonzo at the end of this scene.
Yes because Alonzo was their Alpha Wolf on the streets. Did their dirty work no questions, no commotions, no feelings
AZK91 I agree. People have this odd narrative they pretends going on here. “Alonzos soooo nervous here.”. You mean when he reaches over and grabs their wine and pours a glass without asking? Quit pretending he’s shaking in his boots because you want to pretend you’re some body language expert.
@@KobaAM I never felt he was scared but I felt he was the Enforcer on the Streets and they were the Enforcers in the Offices so it's like they were equal cause I'm sure if they turned their backs on him he would straight up tell them You forget I do the work on the streets we both need each other
Tom Berenger's grim looks after Doug says “I’m gonna do him”. Masterful.
Facts
Why did he say that I dont get it. Was the guy a problem for Doug?
@@mentlinc he said that because the suspect that he worked so hard to put away got a light deal on his sentence (probably only treatment at a low security level psychiatric clinic vs. actual prison time) because of him basically showing (pretending) to the court that he was crazy with the peanut butter ruse. Doug is disgruntled and defeated over how the system so easily worked in the suspect’s favor that he wants to kill him himself.
@@mentlinc it foreshadows what the Russians did to Alonzo at the end of the film. He tried to finesse his way across killing a Russian mafia boss/or high ranking member thinking he can live when in reality someone of power is going to kill him
It's also a commentary that once you pass a certain line legally or morally (like Alonzo did), the only price you pay is with your life because you have lost the legal or moral pre-requisites to the protection of both. Thus Alonzo screaming impotently that he's the law when the people in a neighbourhood ignore him.
No matter how many times I watch this, Im crying with laughter.
The three wisemen aren't even the top of the dung heap. A captain, a detective and a DA. None of those guys could provide Lonzo with the warrant he needed to make the raid on Roger legal. These dudes are like connected middlemen. The money Lonzo gave the DA was to pay a judge off for the paperwork. This like watching a mafia movie but we only get to see the made men and the soldiers, not the real bosses or the capos.
Perfect analysis. I was thinking who do these men know bc they don't possess the power themselves?
Oh damn I didn't catch that.
If this movie setting does take place in 2001, these guys really just may be at the top. They seem to be either pioneers or graduated students of 80’s and 90’s CRASH units which is what this story is based around. Anyone higher than them is a chief of police who is more than usually closely connected to the mayors office. If they’ve made it thru the 80’s and 90’s with these high profile titles, they have major pull
And the Captain def outranks everyone. The DA is a major facilitator to determine if a shoot is clean or not, the Detective brought Alonzo in, but the Cap runs the show here
Well deserved oscar! Denzel was outstanding
They way the Detective analyze Jake from head to toe is almost chilling like a hunter, the way the captain sizes him up during the handshake, and the way the head of the shooting squad pays him no mind because of the mess Alonzo stirred up in Vegas… the way Alonzo was having Jake chase his own tail all day he was smart to listen in as much as he could
Good acting. People making a joke and all together directly switching back to serious conservation.
Agreed despite laughing they want to kill the guy who outsmarted the system
*conversation
@@joetamburello6292 i think because he was a witness of something
Harris Yulin’s character is the most complex here. He’s a bridled part of a very corrupt system, and yet he still takes being an officer of the law seriously. He is genuinely pissed off about a criminal cheating the system and getting away with it, even though that’s what the three of them do every day. Then his answer is vigilante justice, because it’s the only justice he can deliver, but at least some justice was served, and that’s his job.
The chemistry between Ethan Hawke and Denzel in every scene is so damn dope. The little nuances of the already invested "comradiere" between them, despite it being Jake's first day.
0:40 The playfulness of Jake mockingly rolling his eyes like a little brother that was told to wait by Big bro Alonzo is just one of the many examples throughout the film. Denzel's performance is peak art for sure, but Ethan brought his A-Game as well. I can't get enough of these two and it's tragic af that they didn't do more work together.
Seeing those moments damn near makes me wish we had gotten a happier ending instead. An ending that would have managed to keep this dynamic alive for future films.
It’s called Training Day… not Training Week or even Training Year.
This movie has so many great scenes it's amazing.
This scene reminds me of Reservoir Dogs. I mean the dialogue, body language and carless banter was almost as a real real life situation. GOLD
The way he moves his eyes back and forth. The way he puckers his lips drinking the wine as he's getting scolded....
Denzel nailed this role so damn good. The bar was set pretty high after this one.
my man Denzel needs to go to jail for this role. Too convincing.
This part is deep. Shows you how deep the rabbit hole really goes.
If the government is corrupt.... why is the "rabbit hole" of the police force considered deep? Do people really believe the idealistic lies about the "government" and "establishment" acting in their best interest? Like really, even now in 2021? LOL
One of the few oscar-winning performances that was actually deserving of the Oscar
I think all Oscar performances deserved their Oscar
Back then Oscar was corrupted
EVERYONE of 3 at table are AMAZING actors! real cool they agreed to be in brief scene, a testament to love of craft and admiration for Mr. Washington.
Including Tom Berenger who played corrupt senior officer Stan Gursky had memorable role as sadistic Sergeant Barnes in Platoon in 1986.
The biggest foreshadowing scene in the movie. Classic film. Ethan and Denzel: legends
To me it was too obvious here. At this point I didn't trust Alonzo at all and knew where it was going especially during the robbery
This scene is a master class for any actor....everyone is playing the part to a T. Fantastic filmmaking.
sure, Mel maybe you can hand out yourself one of them first class tickets to the Resurrection
this is an amazing comment
So long, Mel. Have a nice trip.
Fuck you!
Took me 15 years to realize this was the same dude lol
@@godisbollocks fuck you you little punk lol
@@godisbollocks FUCK YOU
"Guy gets hold of some peanut butter, packs his asscrack with it.." 😂 Gets me every time
Always a fan of Berenger, just a great actor to his core, even in smaller roles. Alongside Denzel, nothing but great friction and chemistry in every moment, no question. Top talents
Me too. A big fan of Tom Berenger
I liked him in that movie The Substitute and Sniper
I love how (after having seen the movie and knowing the full story that the latinos tell later) you can practically see what happened: Alonzo in the club, drunk, someone (the Russian) bumps into him and spills his drink and he loses it, and beats a the Russian mobster to death in the back, gets manhandled and taken into a back room and beaten, they demand $1 million in a week and throw him out on the street. Great storytelling without actually telling.
I'd say it's that somehow the Russian called him a bitch. Look at how he responds every time it happens. Extremely violent. I've always wondered if he would even have killed Roger if Roger didn't call him "their bitch."
Great scene...excellent choice by Antoine Fuqua to get 3 pros like Tom Berenger, Raymond J. Barry and Harris Yulin to play the wise men...on the DVD commentary Fuqua said he was thrilled these great character actors did the movie.
Exactly I was watching platoon the other day in Tom berenger was great in that movie.
@@jimmyjam26 when the machine breaks down, we break down!
Antoine brought guys that could bring the type of gravitas that you needed in a scene like that. It takes a certain type of actor to be able to carry that scene up..... You want an actor that can carry that dialogue and carry that scene forward but can share with the other actors in there.
To add to that imagine for argument's sake if you put someone else in Denzel's role and then put Denzel in that meeting as one of the wise men Denzel would overpower every actor in that scene in my opinion.
@@rolandmiller5456 no no no
If you try to imagine Alonzo's backstory. You can see those guys were probably the ones that brought him into corruption like he, and his team was trying to do with Hoytt later. In the beginning of his career you can imagine Alonzi actually trying to do good like Jake was, but unlike him he actaully went with it.
Tom Berenger Back in The Day was one of The coolest actors
@Kiel Li Mikal that movie is fire I still watch it!
Heck yeah! PLATOON BABY!!!!
I like how you can notice there's a boss, a manager and a supervisor 😅. The boss and manager are just looking and seeing how the Supervisor handle's this situation. Damn how that relates and feels so much like working at your job.
This is when the movie goes from a drama to a horror flick. Just about now.
DW's character is 100% street in this film, but the second he sits down with these guys, he becomes like them, sounds like them. Pure chameleon.
More like he becomes to them, what Ethan Hawke is to him.
You can immediately tell he's not in control and it makes him uncomfortable
@@Lethalbanter narcissism 101
Watched this for the first time earlier this year, and it's the best written and acted movie I've ever seen in my entire life. This is a timeless masterpiece, and deserve a solid 10/10 rating
you obviously havnt seen many movies in your life....its a good movie...mainly because of the actors...but not one you want to see right away again
@@jadezee6316 shut up
@@jadezee6316 that’s your opinion. When it came out in 2001, I bought the dvd and watched every day, for a month! One of the best movies of my lifetime, and I’m a 70’s baby.
@@StoneGone hi mate that’s an interesting comment… how come you watched it every day for a month can I ask? was it to pick up on subtle things you might have missed out the first time?
@@Rose_19911 some movies just be like that, I watched Casino & Goodfellas like a 100 times when I first seen them
I always loved how everyone in this scene works. Such beautiful talent all in one scene.
Not to mention, it's better during the rewatch:
The puppeteers talk to the puppet, who pupeteers the rookie.
Such a great work of a film.
EDIT): I love this moment at 2:58
These dudes are high up, but the DW character is the king of the streets and they know this. As soon as they heard he had a way out of the predicament, they ok’d it. The man was a player in the game, but a formidable one.
Extra chunky jiff still makes me laugh really hard. 😅🤣😂
Such an iconic and hillarious scene, and legend of a film. An extremely underrated film that covers such an iconic storyline, with a legendary cast like Denzel Washington, characters, and track too it. Watched it on my birthday today on the 19th of April, and was extremely worth it. I don't want to spoil too much, but its worth every penny, and very intense, action packed, and interesting for those who are interested in watching.
Training Day, Book of Eli, The Equalizer, & many...MANY more masterful roles, executed by an acting arts master, Denzel Washington!
We may never again see another individual who is so...locked into his/her art like this gentleman is.
Man on Fire.
Glory, Flight, The Siege, John Q, Courage Under Fire, Crimson Tide, Fallen, The Bone Collector, Malcom X, Man on Fire, Deja Vu, and Inside Man are others aswell.
@@thegunslinger1363 Not 1 of either of our lists contains a bad movie. The fella can flat...ACT!
Man on fire, Virtuosity, Richochet,
Crimson Tide, Inside Man, Out of Time, Roman J. Israel.....
That hearty laughter at 1:38 😂
💯
Training day is one of my best movies ever. Stands so far heads and shoulders above fuquas other movies, and most cop movies in general
Alonso laughs as a way to fit in here. He doesn't know the punchline, unlike the other wisemen. Many times this occurs in social situations. This whole movie is a statement of how people behave and change with different people under different social circumstances in order to benefit themselves.
You can hear that in the timing of Denzel laughing greet acting
what is the punchline?
The scene is much more brilliant than it is shows at first, and not just Denzel's acting but also the subtle scripting encoded on it.
I hadn’t seen Tom Berenger in quite some time prior to watching this. Quite a pleasant surprise.
This scene is brilliant and complete perfection!!!
I think its great acting that Harris Yulin, who plays the guy telling the story, laughs along with everyone even though he's mad about it. He can't help but laugh at his own pain with his friends about how terrible his luck is.
Good friends make you feel better about bad shit that happens to you because it happens to them too
I first watched this movie when I was a kid, so it took me a couple years and some clarification from my dad for me to really understand how pivotal this scene was to the movie.
me too i was less than 15
Masterful scene - with the presence of extremely extraordinary seasoned thespians - with Denzel looming largest. The subtle, yet powerful expressions and eye shifting- the closeups and editing were critical here. It’s akin to what “ Alonzo” alluded to - seeking counsel with “3 Wise Men.” The scene also perfectly depicts the true arrogance and pomposity of real life top brass cops and decorated/corrupt detective within the LAPD - trust me, I’ve witnessed them in Los Angeles in the turbulent 1990s and early 2000s - most of them are real pricks!!
Lmao at dude calling the insane asylum the "puzzle factory"
Brice Kohnen LoL i know
Tom Berenger
Big quotable
yeah they knew what they were talking about!
My Dad and some Vets I know, always referred to mental hospital as the "Puzzle-Factory". This was the first time I ever heard anyone else use the term. Cracked me up.
The guy telling the peanut butter story establishes himself as the best actor of the three wise men right here 0:38 without even saying anything... When Jake says "Nice to meet you", he just gives him that look "So polite - must be a total beginner in this dirty business".
@Cutter true they all made this scene work
This stood out to me too. So excellent.
All of the wisemen are like a part of Alanzo’s personality. The funny one, the sympathetic one, the aggressive one, and the killer. “I’m going to do him if I see him on the streets.” Same what Alanzo was doing with alley crackhead. He’s like all four of them combined.
True
Did anyone notice that the cop telling the story was the narcotics chief detective Mel Bernstein in Scarface
Montana: "So long Mel have a great trip".
Mel: "Fuck You !"
Thanks for pointing that out I knew he looked familiar
Looks like he got himself one of them first class tickets to the Resurrection.
hell of a catch, man
His name is Harris Yulin, good actor, tends to play a cop or someone in law enforcement quite frequently. Also, a fun fact, he and Denzel were in the movie "The Hurricane."
Wow never new that all those years till now!
How come people don't mention Training Day when talking about all time great gangster movies, it should be there.
It's a great movie.
Edit: You guys are saying Training Day is not a gangster movie, but I see a lot of gangs and gangsters in the movie. Plus by definition, Alonzo is a gangster, he is a gangster with rackets, an outlaw.
Look up the word gangster and the definition.
I think the deus ex of the girl's wallet killed it for a lot of people... lazy writing
More of a cop movie, not gangster.
They probably don't put it in the gangster movie category. It's one of the greatest movies of all time tho.
Its a movie about the corruption of the police force
@@Relbl I liked that, actually. It felt like Alonzo had had a lot of trainees like Jake, but in this case Jake's goodness and a piece of luck turned the tables in his favor...
2:27 "By the time she found out it was sandwich spread, the order was signed, and the guy had been transferred." LMFAO!!!🤣
I laughed way too hard at that.
The lighting/production design in this scene is insane.
The scene at the highway overpass is amazing
At 2:30, I can rewind on that laugh all day and not get tired. Thats a classic.
Their laughter were very genuine at best.
This is basically the Roger scene. When he tells the story about the snail and answers his phone saying It's your mess you clean it up. He's basically telling Alonzo he's not helping him out of this.
Bro wtf you're a genius 🤣. Being that Roger was connected to the streets do you think he knew there was a price on Alonzos head?
And in the scene he tells Alonso he “has his back” but never actually offering to give him money to help showing there’s no loyalty between them.
That man tells a story so well, so low key, without exaggeration. Let's the story be funny by itself.
Very subtlety acted scene. The more you look at it, the more you realize these guys are all fine professional actors. - because you d swear they were real cops.
This scene is a study in how film are done .
vik 88 ..I know.. Follywood sux these days.. tell me a classic movie in the past 5 years that can compare to a classic like this??can't be done...
Antoine Fuqua is a Hell of a Director.
This movie was a collection of scenes like this, It's one of the best film's i have ever seen.
DENZEL WASHINGTON IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE ACTORS👏👏🔥LOVED HIS PERFORMANCE IN TRAINING DAY❤️👍
So you tellin me mel bernstien from scarface plays a crook cop in scarface and training day? Nice
Mel was such a piece of shit. I was glad when Tony shot him.
@@PunkSlapper123 Wrong , Tony didnt shoot mel .
@@anycolouryoulike8567 you might want to rewatch the movie. Tony shot Mel twice.
Yeah I was wrong, I confused Mel with Frank with the latter being shot by Manny, sorry for the error.
He survived the gut shot lol
Man was out the gate with it!
"I don't talk to dead men!"
Darn!