Thonght provoking for a 31 year veteran of the Marine Corps. I taught st the Academy many years ago. The chapel is magnificent. One clarification. The combat photo is not a soldier but a Marine dashing across No Mans Land during the battle of Okinawa. The horrific casualties in that battle, both American, Japanese military and civilians convinced Truman to use the bomb. His calculus was lives killed versus lives saved, including Japanese
..the enormity of the chapel leaves a lasting impression. .The hymn 'Eternal Father Strong to Save" ( memorised at NAS Oceana✈completes the sentiment. I hope the midshipman(& women) shared this with you Bishop Barron. ⛵
Have had difficulty wrapping my mind around the totality of this subject for many years. Much appreciation for the clarity and deeper understanding presented here. TY
As a Veteran currently in RCIA this helped me some with the things I've done. I wish there were more videos on this subject as I truly feel some of the things I have done are unforgivable, even though the Church and my local Parish Priest (Also a Veteran) say otherwise. In all honestly my Journey through RCIA is not for me but rather for my son so that he might not make the same mistakes I have
Trust God’s mercy. Give it all to God. The first person in Heaven must have done the most unforgivable things as he ended up on a cross. Yet, he repented, turned to Jesus, and Jesus promised him Heaven. God is forgiving. He knows your heart and loves you very much. May He heal you and give you peace. In Jesus’ name 🙏🕊️
so many of us come from military families who had viet nam war vets who were disrespected. , so being able to understand the commitment these soldiers have exhibited is deeply appreciated.
Love you Bishop Barron alleluia amen. My Great Grandmas Gingerich nee MURRAY cousin was CHRISTIAN MOUNTIN MAN & WWI Hero Sgt Alvin York that almost was a conscientious objector until his Minister intervened amen and AMEN.
Bishop I love listening to you I remember the stories u said one about jelly beans and the other one about ladybugs God Watch and protect Your Catholic Religion and all Bishops, Pope,Priest, Cardinals, Nuns and us that love and try to live The True Catholic religion
Please visit Annapolis Royal, Nova Scotia! It has seen more battles than ANY place in North America. I am the Bellringer of St Louis church (the crusader king) -this parish enjoys the history of being the parish that had the FIRST Catholic Baptism in Canada in 1610.
In a way I'm reminded of something that my martial arts teacher made very clear to all of us: only fight as a last resort. That being said I'm not naive to the fact that there will be times when one is force into a situation where they will have no choice but to fight back. (if that makes any sense) About the firebombing of Dresden: from what I learned that city was home to many people who were fleeing other cities in Germany that were being attacked and after it was bombed there were many higher ups in both the American and British air forces at the time that were calling it into question and saying that shouldn't have been done.
If someone intentionally hurts you and is an enemy we’re supposed to still see them as human. But they’re still enemies and have to be dealt with, is that right? So “Love your enemy” means see them as humans but still enemies?
If you love your enemy and you simply want what's best for them, sometimes it means to stand up and not allow them to destroy themselves and others around them. To sit on the sidelines and not help those who cannot help themselves, while having the capacity to help, is I think a great evil. Part of that is being prepared to do what is necessary while showing confidence and self control. Love does not delight in evil while being slow to anger.
I’ve been grappling with that for the last seven years or so. The problem is, I’ve found, that these individuals don’t even realize that anything is wrong. They literally get up everyday and destroy either themselves, other people, or the property around them. Not only could it be physical harm, but mental, emotional, spiritual. As a Catholic, I am commanded to love. That’s turning out to be easier as time goes on. But it doesn’t quell my outrage.
Also, I think you’re referring to the Catholic Church’s teaching on just war. It’s a more defensive posture. There is also, and I haven’t studied about this, St. Thomas Aquinas’ teaching about the right to revolt. This is the basis, some of it, and also John Locke’s Glorious Revolution, that lead the founding fathers to write the declaration, constitution, and bill of rights.
Bishop, you have laid out the just war criteria. Now apply it to US foreign policy. How many US wars since WW2 did actually meet this stringent "just war" criteria? Was there an attainable goal of success in Vietnam? Have we attained our goals of success in Iraq and Afghanistan? There are people fighting in those wars now that were not even born when they began. 100s of thousands of innocents have died in these modern wars. Vietnam began on a false flag attack (Gulf of Tonkin incident). And we were told Iraq had WMDs as a justification. Still waiting to see those. None of this is to attack the soldiers who go over and fight the wars for the rich men and politicians. "We can no longer think of war as a solution, because its risks will probably always be greater than its supposed benefits. In view of this, it is very difficult nowadays to invoke the rational criteria elaborated in earlier centuries to speak of the possibility of a “just war”. Never again war!...Every war leaves our world worse than it was before. War is a failure of politics and of humanity, a shameful capitulation, a stinging defeat before the forces of evil. Let us not remain mired in theoretical discussions, but touch the wounded flesh of the victims. Let us look once more at all those civilians whose killing was considered “collateral damage”. Let us ask the victims themselves. Let us think of the refugees and displaced, those who suffered the effects of atomic radiation or chemical attacks, the mothers who lost their children, and the boys and girls maimed or deprived of their childhood. Let us hear the true stories of these victims of violence, look at reality through their eyes, and listen with an open heart to the stories they tell. In this way, we will be able to grasp the abyss of evil at the heart of war. Nor will it trouble us to be deemed naive for choosing peace." (Fratelli Tutti 258, 261)
I am kind of surprised, Bishop Barron, that you did not visit Saint John’s College and do a short video on the tradition there and take a look at McDowell hall. The student study the fathers of the church among other Great Books. That’s where I read the Summa.
So I'm kind of shocked that nobody showed Bishop Barron the Campus, especially because at the time of the revolution, Franklin, Jefferson, and Adams met there for lengthy discussions (historically validated by correspondence.) It was a good meeting point with Jefferson in VA and the others in Philly. Of course, the buildings on the current campus except for the library were all there after that time, but Mc Dowell has been there for ages. When you go into the great hall, you get chills thinking about how many thinkers delivered lectures there.
Thank you bishop, for speaking about this, I am from the UK, my father was in the army and fully believed that he was going to hell because of being the army. He was never taught any different and at that time there were no religious figures like there are now. What you say is so kind and hopefully military personnel will learn that they aren’t bad people. Thank you
Where i run into issues with JWT is not the birds eye view analysis for politicians and kings, but for the common soldier. If I train and live and fight virtuously for my country out of love, but I don't believe in the legitimacy or competency of the current authority authority, and/or I look at all the conflicts we are likely ti find ourselves in in the near future, and I find no way of calling such conflicts "just" am I not culpable for my participation? At what point does remote participation in excess because substantially equivalent to formal participation in evil?
While in full agreement the the use of nuclear weapons against Hiroshima and Nagasaki was evil, the prosecution of the land war against the Japanese homeland did not have an alternative that was not evil. Estimates of casualties based on the battle of Okinawa were in the millions. The just war theory rings hollow in the practical with an intractable, fanatical enemy. As it was, the Japanese high council would have fought on post Nagasaki if not for Emperor Hirohito's order to capitulate. Watch Ken Burn's final chapter of "The War" and walk in their shoes. Read Eugene Sledge's memoir With the Old Breed: At Peleliu and Okinawa. I think Bishop Barron would empathize with Sledge: "War is brutish, inglorious, and a terrible waste. Combat leaves an indelible mark on those who are forced to endure it. The only redeeming factors were my comrades’ incredible bravery and their devotion to each other. Marine Corps training taught us to kill efficiently and to try to survive. But it also taught us loyalty to each other-and love. That esprit de corps sustained us.
Yes, I agree that the bombings were evil. Think about Pearl Harbour-what essentially happened there was not dissimilar to those bombings, except it were pilots in planes, terribly, crashing into the naval base, ships, planes.
A step between Ss. Augustine and Thomas might be St Adomnan, an early medieval Irish saint, who wrote the Law of Innocents and made Kings in Ireland and northern Britain sign up to it well over a thousand years before the Genevan Convention. I don't think the Church gets enough credit for for the principles appropriated by secularists in this world.
What about if our faith was persecuted heavily. For example, would it have been justified for Christians to resist USSR control by lethal force because they’re threatening our Christian values and way of have life?
Ah, the good, slick Bishop. Note how he uses only WWII to back "just war." Note also how he neglects to say how justified was Vietnam, Iraq, Panama, Grenada etc. Does he use any of them as an example of an unjust war? Not when talking with the young men in the brilliant uniforms, designed to lure them into willing combatants.The military loves Catholics like Bishop Barron, who will bless them as they are preparing to kill and maim whoever the government tells them is the enemy. Just imagine Dan and Phil Kerrigan listening to this talk, or Dorothy Day...
" Wars and Rumors of War"( Matthew 24:6; Mark 13:7; Luke 21:9) , Psalm 144:1; 2 Timothy 2:3-4; CCC 2310. As Both a Latin ( Roman Rite) Catholic Christian and a Prior Service Enlisted USMC and US Army Veteran, this aforementioned is what I Myself, John Rodriguez, go by. Full Stop. Point Blank and. 🇺🇲🇺🇸❤️🇻🇦🇻🇦✝️☦️🪖🎖️💣💥🔥🛡️🗡️⚔️🙏⛪‼️
But not a single quotation from Christ to justify your defence of war! Oh, Bishop, are we followers of Christ or theologians writing four hundred years after his resurrection? Just wars sound good in practice - noble, defensible, honourable - but where are these wars? Are not all wars the result of previous injustice? If we look back at wars executed under the pretence of defending Vatican authority, where is an example of this just war? Would Jesus stand at the head of an army? Surely this conception of 'just war' is merely a way for the secular authorities to build empires by using theologians and moralists to justify actions explicitly condemned by Christ! "There is no sure foundation set on blood, No certain life is achieved by others' death."
If a just war requires a competent authority, then any rebellion against a lawful governor is unjust am I correct? Where does that leave the American Revolution in hindsight, and what is the Catholic response to the problem of tyranny?
Yes, it requires competent authority. You have a more complete explanation than I offered. Just war seems to be more defensive than offensive. As in defending yourself against someone who is being violent towards you. Have you ever read any part of the Summa? St. Thomas Aquinas would be of some help with his argument for the right to revolt. Think also of John Locke...St. Thomas’ writings are the basis for the founding father’s writings, eg. the declaration. But all that can’t survive without the structure of religion.
@@robertcurran2765 for the most part. They mostly argued, but thank God they kept talking. I really believe the founding fathers, at least most of them, would be shocked about the apathy towards religion.
“The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him.”
― G.K. Chesterton
Bishop’s homilies at Annapolis in these videos are affirming and so elucidating for Christianity, veterans, and service members.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing"--Edmund Burke
Thonght provoking for a 31 year veteran of the Marine Corps. I taught st the Academy many years ago. The chapel is magnificent. One clarification. The combat photo is not a soldier but a Marine dashing across No Mans Land during the battle of Okinawa. The horrific casualties in that battle, both American, Japanese military and civilians convinced Truman to use the bomb. His calculus was lives killed versus lives saved, including Japanese
I've seen this photo also; I thought it was from Eugene Sledge's book With the Old Breed and from Pelelieu...S/F...
@@glvappraiser The USMC photo credit was Okinawa but I do believe the photo was in Sledge’s book. I should be required reading for every Marine. S/F
It should be. Darn auto write.
@@johnkeenan5404 Just looked it up; I stand corrected... it was an Okinawa image... I think I've read that book three times... S/F John
..the enormity of the chapel leaves a lasting impression. .The hymn 'Eternal Father Strong to Save" ( memorised at NAS Oceana✈completes the sentiment. I hope the midshipman(& women) shared this with you Bishop Barron. ⛵
Have had difficulty wrapping my mind around the totality of this subject for many years. Much appreciation for the clarity and deeper understanding presented here. TY
As a Veteran currently in RCIA this helped me some with the things I've done. I wish there were more videos on this subject as I truly feel some of the things I have done are unforgivable, even though the Church and my local Parish Priest (Also a Veteran) say otherwise.
In all honestly my Journey through RCIA is not for me but rather for my son so that he might not make the same mistakes I have
it is for you too. you just dont see it yet : ). And all is forgivable
Trust God’s mercy. Give it all to God. The first person in Heaven must have done the most unforgivable things as he ended up on a cross. Yet, he repented, turned to Jesus, and Jesus promised him Heaven. God is forgiving. He knows your heart and loves you very much. May He heal you and give you peace. In Jesus’ name 🙏🕊️
Thank you Bishop, this is enlightening to hear.
Indeed☆
Beautiful message. Thank you Bishop Barron
Opposing wickedness is similar to dealing with the devil's doing; to counter evil, it is necessary to act appropriately.
Thank you Bishop Barron♥️🙏 You explained this topic very well!
so many of us come from military families who had viet nam war vets who were disrespected. , so being able to understand the commitment these soldiers have exhibited is deeply appreciated.
Thank you for another fantastic video God bless you 🙏 from Rob from Wales uk 🇬🇧
Love you Bishop Barron alleluia amen. My Great Grandmas Gingerich nee MURRAY cousin was CHRISTIAN MOUNTIN MAN & WWI Hero Sgt Alvin York that almost was a conscientious objector until his Minister intervened amen and AMEN.
As always such a profound message, that loving bridges the divide of views between peace and violence.
Bishop I love listening to you I remember the stories u said one about jelly beans and the other one about ladybugs God Watch and protect Your Catholic Religion and all Bishops, Pope,Priest, Cardinals, Nuns and us that love and try to live The True Catholic religion
What a leader for us!!!
Love this reflection 🙏
Please visit Annapolis Royal, Nova Scotia! It has seen more battles than ANY place in North America. I am the Bellringer of St Louis church (the crusader king) -this parish enjoys the history of being the parish that had the FIRST Catholic Baptism in Canada in 1610.
Thankyou Bishap.This is enlightening to hear.
Great insight! Thank you so much Bishop Robert!!!
In a way I'm reminded of something that my martial arts teacher made very clear to all of us: only fight as a last resort. That being said I'm not naive to the fact that there will be times when one is force into a situation where they will have no choice but to fight back. (if that makes any sense)
About the firebombing of Dresden: from what I learned that city was home to many people who were fleeing other cities in Germany that were being attacked and after it was bombed there were many higher ups in both the American and British air forces at the time that were calling it into question and saying that shouldn't have been done.
If someone intentionally hurts you and is an enemy we’re supposed to still see them as human. But they’re still enemies and have to be dealt with, is that right?
So “Love your enemy” means see them as humans but still enemies?
Thats at least how I always saw it. Theres a difference between hating someone and doing whats necessary.
If you love your enemy and you simply want what's best for them, sometimes it means to stand up and not allow them to destroy themselves and others around them. To sit on the sidelines and not help those who cannot help themselves, while having the capacity to help, is I think a great evil.
Part of that is being prepared to do what is necessary while showing confidence and self control. Love does not delight in evil while being slow to anger.
I’ve been grappling with that for the last seven years or so. The problem is, I’ve found, that these individuals don’t even realize that anything is wrong. They literally get up everyday and destroy either themselves, other people, or the property around them. Not only could it be physical harm, but mental, emotional, spiritual. As a Catholic, I am commanded to love. That’s turning out to be easier as time goes on. But it doesn’t quell my outrage.
Also, I think you’re referring to the Catholic Church’s teaching on just war. It’s a more defensive posture. There is also, and I haven’t studied about this, St. Thomas Aquinas’ teaching about the right to revolt. This is the basis, some of it, and also John Locke’s Glorious Revolution, that lead the founding fathers to write the declaration, constitution, and bill of rights.
@@pilum3705 you’re talking about just war, as defined by the Catholic faith.
Bishop, you have laid out the just war criteria. Now apply it to US foreign policy.
How many US wars since WW2 did actually meet this stringent "just war" criteria? Was there an attainable goal of success in Vietnam? Have we attained our goals of success in Iraq and Afghanistan? There are people fighting in those wars now that were not even born when they began. 100s of thousands of innocents have died in these modern wars. Vietnam began on a false flag attack (Gulf of Tonkin incident). And we were told Iraq had WMDs as a justification. Still waiting to see those. None of this is to attack the soldiers who go over and fight the wars for the rich men and politicians.
"We can no longer think of war as a solution, because its risks will probably always be greater than its supposed benefits. In view of this, it is very difficult nowadays to invoke the rational criteria elaborated in earlier centuries to speak of the possibility of a “just war”. Never again war!...Every war leaves our world worse than it was before. War is a failure of politics and of humanity, a shameful capitulation, a stinging defeat before the forces of evil. Let us not remain mired in theoretical discussions, but touch the wounded flesh of the victims. Let us look once more at all those civilians whose killing was considered “collateral damage”. Let us ask the victims themselves. Let us think of the refugees and displaced, those who suffered the effects of atomic radiation or chemical attacks, the mothers who lost their children, and the boys and girls maimed or deprived of their childhood. Let us hear the true stories of these victims of violence, look at reality through their eyes, and listen with an open heart to the stories they tell. In this way, we will be able to grasp the abyss of evil at the heart of war. Nor will it trouble us to be deemed naive for choosing peace." (Fratelli Tutti 258, 261)
Based. So true
thanks for the wonderful message.
I am kind of surprised, Bishop Barron, that you did not visit Saint John’s College and do a short video on the tradition there and take a look at McDowell hall. The student study the fathers of the church among other Great Books. That’s where I read the Summa.
So I'm kind of shocked that nobody showed Bishop Barron the Campus, especially because at the time of the revolution, Franklin, Jefferson, and Adams met there for lengthy discussions (historically validated by correspondence.) It was a good meeting point with Jefferson in VA and the others in Philly. Of course, the buildings on the current campus except for the library were all there after that time, but Mc Dowell has been there for ages. When you go into the great hall, you get chills thinking about how many thinkers delivered lectures there.
Thank you bishop, for speaking about this, I am from the UK, my father was in the army and fully believed that he was going to hell because of being the army. He was never taught any different and at that time there were no religious figures like there are now. What you say is so kind and hopefully military personnel will learn that they aren’t bad people. Thank you
Looking forward to some videos of bishop practicing aikido ☺️
Jbu Bishop Barron.🙏
Where i run into issues with JWT is not the birds eye view analysis for politicians and kings, but for the common soldier. If I train and live and fight virtuously for my country out of love, but I don't believe in the legitimacy or competency of the current authority authority, and/or I look at all the conflicts we are likely ti find ourselves in in the near future, and I find no way of calling such conflicts "just" am I not culpable for my participation? At what point does remote participation in excess because substantially equivalent to formal participation in evil?
Amazing.
While in full agreement the the use of nuclear weapons against Hiroshima and Nagasaki was evil, the prosecution of the land war against the Japanese homeland did not have an alternative that was not evil. Estimates of casualties based on the battle of Okinawa were in the millions. The just war theory rings hollow in the practical with an intractable, fanatical enemy. As it was, the Japanese high council would have fought on post Nagasaki if not for Emperor Hirohito's order to capitulate. Watch Ken Burn's final chapter of "The War" and walk in their shoes. Read Eugene Sledge's memoir With the Old Breed: At Peleliu and Okinawa.
I think Bishop Barron would empathize with Sledge: "War is brutish, inglorious, and a terrible waste. Combat leaves an indelible mark on those who are forced to endure it. The only redeeming factors were my comrades’ incredible bravery and their devotion to each other. Marine Corps training taught us to kill efficiently and to try to survive. But it also taught us loyalty to each other-and love. That esprit de corps sustained us.
Yes, I agree that the bombings were evil. Think about Pearl Harbour-what essentially happened there was not dissimilar to those bombings, except it were pilots in planes, terribly, crashing into the naval base, ships, planes.
@DBA All very sad. And all that said, two wrongs don’t make a right.
A step between Ss. Augustine and Thomas might be St Adomnan, an early medieval Irish saint, who wrote the Law of Innocents and made Kings in Ireland and northern Britain sign up to it well over a thousand years before the Genevan Convention.
I don't think the Church gets enough credit for for the principles appropriated by secularists in this world.
Tremendous!
What are examples of just wars post WW2?
What about if our faith was persecuted heavily. For example, would it have been justified for Christians to resist USSR control by lethal force because they’re threatening our Christian values and way of have life?
Tyranicide is legitimate and just
Save lives.
What would happen if tomorrow the Pope showed up tomorrow on the front lines between Russia and Ukraine tomorrow and demanded peace?
Production value is nuts
Right?
Im here for school
Ah, the good, slick Bishop. Note how he uses only WWII to back "just war." Note also how he neglects to say how justified was Vietnam, Iraq, Panama, Grenada etc. Does he use any of them as an example of an unjust war? Not when talking with the young men in the brilliant uniforms, designed to lure them into willing combatants.The military loves Catholics like Bishop Barron, who will bless them as they are preparing to kill and maim whoever the government tells them is the enemy. Just imagine Dan and Phil Kerrigan listening to this talk, or Dorothy Day...
Would America coming to the defense of Taiwan from China be considered just?
Just war doctrine not theory
" Wars and Rumors of War"( Matthew 24:6; Mark 13:7; Luke 21:9) , Psalm 144:1; 2 Timothy 2:3-4; CCC 2310. As Both a Latin ( Roman Rite) Catholic Christian and a Prior Service Enlisted USMC and US Army Veteran, this aforementioned is what I Myself, John Rodriguez, go by. Full Stop. Point Blank and. 🇺🇲🇺🇸❤️🇻🇦🇻🇦✝️☦️🪖🎖️💣💥🔥🛡️🗡️⚔️🙏⛪‼️
But not a single quotation from Christ to justify your defence of war! Oh, Bishop, are we followers of Christ or theologians writing four hundred years after his resurrection?
Just wars sound good in practice - noble, defensible, honourable - but where are these wars? Are not all wars the result of previous injustice? If we look back at wars executed under the pretence of defending Vatican authority, where is an example of this just war? Would Jesus stand at the head of an army?
Surely this conception of 'just war' is merely a way for the secular authorities to build empires by using theologians and moralists to justify actions explicitly condemned by Christ!
"There is no sure foundation set on blood, No certain life is achieved by others' death."
X
If a just war requires a competent authority, then any rebellion against a lawful governor is unjust am I correct? Where does that leave the American Revolution in hindsight, and what is the Catholic response to the problem of tyranny?
Yes, it requires competent authority. You have a more complete explanation than I offered. Just war seems to be more defensive than offensive. As in defending yourself against someone who is being violent towards you. Have you ever read any part of the Summa? St. Thomas Aquinas would be of some help with his argument for the right to revolt. Think also of John Locke...St. Thomas’ writings are the basis for the founding father’s writings, eg. the declaration. But all that can’t survive without the structure of religion.
I think you could argue the continental congress became the competent authority. They were elected by and spoke for the people.
@@robertcurran2765 for the most part. They mostly argued, but thank God they kept talking. I really believe the founding fathers, at least most of them, would be shocked about the apathy towards religion.
10:44 - Jesus was a pacifist.
But I don't want everyone to be like Jesus.
In other words...
Christians need not aspire to be like Christ.
Repent sinner.