This is crazy and helpful! I tried it with my flute and it worked! I felt like I wasn't even playing. I sung a low "D" into my flute and I felt like I was just hearing an echo, but when I stopped my voice and continued to blow the air my "D" sounded perfect! You're a great teacher!
I am a pianist, 24 years old and i was searching for a new instrument to learn. I found out that flute would be great for me, i love its sound! Nina you are my inspire. Thank you very much for your videos!
Having used singing and playing as a flutist in a few peices, it actually impresses me greatly how close she gets to the pitch in these moderately fast passages! If you listen closely to the slower scale exercises that she does, you can hear distinctly that she is matching the pitch, it's just an octave lower, yes? You don't always have to match the pitch to get this effect (some people get off pitch on purpose for another sound), but as Nina says, the resonance is better when matched.
This reminds me of Ian Anderson's playing in the group Jethro Tull. This is interesting....I think I'll try it. I am a 3rd year student...took flute up as an adult and am loving it.
hi nina, i've been playing the flute for a while and started to do this naturally. but i found that the best thing i did for playing the flute with this style of playing was to learn the dideridoo, it really opened up my vocal chords and made my tone on the flute my better .
woo, I'm doing my grade 8 and my teacher just taught me this technique and after i do this the tone immediately becomes sooo much more clear. You are much like my teacher :)
This style that you demonstrate (singing and playing) makes me think of how progressive rock/rock artists incorporate the flute into their music. A musician who immediately came to my mind when I heard your sample was Ian Anderson from the well-known rock band Jethro Tull, because it sounds like the style he incorporates into many of their songs.
I've been trying to get my saxophone students to do this for a few weeks. I'll try your method now, hopefully the different mouthpieces won't make it too much of a hindrance. Thanks for this!
Multiphonics is when you create two notes just using the instrument, not singing. You play the note, then change your embouchure/air pressure until another note in the harmonic series can be heard.
Awesome video! I've been working on this recently after Jill Felber came down here to do a masterclass. I've noticed my sound has improved a lot after attempting this. Even on the first try.
dear menzoman: multiphonics involve using alternate fingerings and adjusted blowing speeds/angles to produce multiple pitches in the flute WITHOUT any singing or vocalization involved. You may want to consult Robert Dick's books on extended techniques.
Robert Dick calls it "throat tunning" and its better if you practice it like this: 1You play a few notes (something like an slow melody) in the flute. 2You sing the same thing. 3You sing the same thing with your mouth into the flute and fingering the positions of the notes that youre singing. 4You sing and play at the same time. After that, if you play the same again in the flute, you will see the diference in the sound, its great because it opens your throat and gives more lows to your sound.
Hi Nina, Thank's for this helpful demonstration. I love the flute since a very long time and tried to play it. But I never made it to such a degree that I could say I really control my instrument. Now, maybe, there is hope ...
Correct. Instrumentation basically teaches us to write characteristically for instruments, taking into account their limitations and possible further techniques- eg, for flute, don't write loud parts in the lower register.
h20skier...sorry I didn't comment back immediately, I was in rehearsal. You are correct that if more than one pitch sounds (as do here)they are poly/multiphonic. But the term "multiphonics" applied to flute playing is a specific technique used by playing alternate fingerings and changing air speed and angle so that multiple pitches sound without vocalization. end reply part 1
reply part 2: See books by Robert Dick and Pierre Yves Artaud for specific definitions and applications of the terminology "multiphonics" as applied to flute playing. Anyone else want to comment?? I can't comment on how the term is used with other instruments.
dear mylifesonemusicvid: multiphonics involve using alternate fingerings and adjusted blowing speeds/angles to produce multiple pitches in the flute WITHOUT any singing or vocalization involved. You may want to consult Robert Dick's books on extended techniques.
groovekitty: All my students seem to play with a much fuller, open sound after doing this technique and none have complained of problems. They also seem to like doing it once they get the hang of it. Before experimenting on your students, experiment on yourself! Tell us how it goes.
dear groovekitty70: I don't know about research, but I think the technique feels pretty comfortable as I am really just humming naturally and it is not my vocal chords which produce the gritty scratchy sound but the combined effect of the voice plus flute.
Thanks also for this info on simultaneously singing and playing with regards to playing progressive rock-flute. I'm not a flute player but both you and ninaflute have interesting technique shared. Many years ago I did my experiment on simultaneously singing while playing harmonica. The sound coming out from the harmonica emanates the words from my mouth. Anyway, I just know the notes of the harmonica and a few simple melodies and nothing else, no advance technique I could share.
This is an elementary technique for fule players. Fule (or peul flute, or malinke flute) is a West African transverse flute. I heard that some notes can only be played on it by initially singing the tone into it to excite the desired mode. On top of that, they actually sing lyrics into the instrument. When performed by a skilled musician, this yields the incredible effect of a fuzzy boundary between speech and music. Lots of examples on youtube, do take a listen.
Great video!! I'm actually going to take your online lessons this summer! I would do it sooner, but summer is the only free time I have to actually concentrate on only the flute. I can't wait!!!=D
It has something to do with the physics of sound. If you can buzz without the instrument, you'll find that you can create a crude multiphonic. Your lips and vocal chords are vibrating at the same time. This causes two tones to come out because the two sound waves come out of the same source and travel together.
playing and singing on trombone is quite nice. fifths pop out, as well as 4ths. But 3rds, not so much. Its tricky. But its definitely cool. This is nice, flute allows for so much layering sounds!
Hi everybody (and Nina too), fot those who are discovering this particuliar style "to sing while blowing into a flute" search on youtube for Jethro Tull (Bourée by JS BACH) and his amazing flute solo also, on stage, during the fabulous 70's Nina is a great - and very clear -teatcher.
thanks to you I'm learning how to play for the first time. If you wonder why? Is beacuse I just got a Chinese Style Tibet silver Green Jade Music flute today. Thanks for making this video, I love it, and I'll be watching more of your videos'.
@Wuttin No, Growling is when you roll your Rs while playing. You can growl on any wind instrument, but it's known as flutter tounging on a flute. It just sounds more like growling on brass instruments and Saxes
hi your good at the flute.. i play flute/piccolo aswell im pretty good at them been paying flute 6 years i will try to sing and play my flute aswell :D thanks
by English, I mean a third of my course is English Literature rather than Music, the other 2/3rds are music. I am majoring in composition, I don't do performance. I was learning this in the instrumentation module. Turns out either they didn't bother mentioning singing while playing as a method of creating multiphonics, just by changing the embouchure (we've only studied instrumentation for woodwind, brass is next term).
to mylifesonemusicvid and menzoma: that technique only produces multiphonics on low brass instruments. on the trumpet and on woodwinds it creates a growling sound.
No wonder you referred him to the website. The cheapest flute I found on their site would pay for 3 to 6 times what my old car is worth, and the most expensive ones are priced, literally, like a mid to upper range BMW. *woozy*
I used to do that when I was learning to play the flute, and I got yelled at by my teacher! Ah if I could go back to 1985 I'd give him a piece of my mind. =)
Interesting advice by a talented and gorgeous lady, but I think Anderson should have gotten a mention since he may not have invented that style but he definitely perfected it, and nowhere it fits better than within this progressive rock context. Anderson can make the flute as powerful as the electric guitar any time, which I think is the reason why the only rock band where the flute really works - superbly - is Jethro Tull.
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"hard work": i feel great hearing that from you. :)
I misunderstood, I stand corrected and thanks for sharing this training technique. By the way it was through Mr. John Axsom youtube channel: johnny102marvin that I saw your video.
....weird, but shes amazing. Ive tried doing this, and i can do it on my hand, but when i put the flute up to my mouth, it stops. Very frustrating, but ill keep experimenting with it
I love showing off. Its like, my favorite thing to do. One of the girls in my class keeps making up excuses why I sound bad, but the band director thinks the contrary =)
Here she's presenting it as an exercise to help improve the sound. You get a mud job on the face to help your appearance after the mud is washed off, not while it's on!
Hi! I sometimes sing while playing recoder. xD That might be very different from singing while playing the flute (I can't judge that). But nevertheless it helps me playing the clarinet. I also tried to sing while playing the clarinet, that, however, is much harder. I'll have to practice that a great deal more. xD
Part 2:With woodwind instruments, the reed vibration, or in this cause the instrument's own vibration, creates the sound of the instrument. Your lips' vibrations do not contribute nearly as much to the production of sound in woodwind instruments as they do in brass instruments. Because the instrument's sound waves and your own voice's do not travel together they do not create chords. Instead a growl or a "buzzy" sound is created.
Roxi, you should read the notes. She is using this as a warm-up and demonstrating an effect you can use when playing in certain situations. This is not how she normally plays. You should probably check out her other videos before judging her playing.
YES, THIS WAY OF PLAYING FLUTE IS VERY DIFFICULT. IT´S USED A LOT IN JAZZ MUSIC AND ROCK SINFONIC, SOME OF THE BEST EXAMPLES OF THIS WAY OF PLAYING ARE: IAN ANDERSON WITH JETHRO TULL AND THIJS VAN LEER WITH FOCUS.
h20skier53538: multiphonics on flute are actually different than this technique. Multiphonics create more than one pitch to sound on the flute alone without any vocalization.
nina, i'm not a native english speaker, so some things i just miss when hearing. what i couldn't understand was: does my singing tune need to be the same as my playing tune? i don't know if i'm making myself clear. thanks soooooo much!
Do a search on "Rahsaan Roland Kirk". The original innovator of singing/talking/whistling & crazy flute techniques (even plays 3 sax's at once). Hands down the best IMHO. You will learn a lot more by just listening to his "original" style then this video.
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This is crazy and helpful! I tried it with my flute and it worked! I felt like I wasn't even playing. I sung a low "D" into my flute and I felt like I was just hearing an echo, but when I stopped my voice and continued to blow the air my "D" sounded perfect! You're a great teacher!
I am a pianist, 24 years old and i was searching for a new instrument to learn. I found out that flute would be great for me, i love its sound! Nina you are my inspire. Thank you very much for your videos!
Having used singing and playing as a flutist in a few peices, it actually impresses me greatly how close she gets to the pitch in these moderately fast passages! If you listen closely to the slower scale exercises that she does, you can hear distinctly that she is matching the pitch, it's just an octave lower, yes?
You don't always have to match the pitch to get this effect (some people get off pitch on purpose for another sound), but as Nina says, the resonance is better when matched.
My previous flute teacher suggested I hum/play the scales for better tone and it does work!
This reminds me of Ian Anderson's playing in the group Jethro Tull. This is interesting....I think I'll try it. I am a 3rd year student...took flute up as an adult and am loving it.
hi nina, i've been playing the flute for a while and started to do this naturally. but i found that the best thing i did for playing the flute with this style of playing was to learn the dideridoo, it really opened up my vocal chords and made my tone on the flute my better .
I used to listen to Roland Kirk on my parent's old LP when I was a kid! I do remember him doing this now that you mention it.
Thanks, this really works. As soon as i tried this, it made my tone quality sound better.
Ian Anderson. The absolute master.
My biggest weakness is the quality of tone. I will follow this tip. Many thanks.
woo, I'm doing my grade 8 and my teacher just taught me this technique and after i do this the tone immediately becomes sooo much more clear. You are much like my teacher :)
This style that you demonstrate (singing and playing) makes me think of how progressive rock/rock artists incorporate the flute into their music. A musician who immediately came to my mind when I heard your sample was Ian Anderson from the well-known rock band Jethro Tull, because it sounds like the style he incorporates into many of their songs.
Wow! I've had trouble singing and playing and when I used your trick, it worked! Thank you!
@tekola001 In this video I was playing a sterling silver Burkart flute. You can look up prices on the burkart website.
I've been trying to get my saxophone students to do this for a few weeks. I'll try your method now, hopefully the different mouthpieces won't make it too much of a hindrance.
Thanks for this!
Multiphonics is when you create two notes just using the instrument, not singing. You play the note, then change your embouchure/air pressure until another note in the harmonic series can be heard.
this is very nice. i like the flute. i wil soon start playing the flute
Awesome video! I've been working on this recently after Jill Felber came down here to do a masterclass. I've noticed my sound has improved a lot after attempting this. Even on the first try.
Thanks for breaking it down, Nina. I've sung through the flute before, but maybe this will make it better.
dear menzoman: multiphonics involve using alternate fingerings and adjusted blowing speeds/angles to produce multiple pitches in the flute WITHOUT any singing or vocalization involved. You may want to consult Robert Dick's books on extended techniques.
Robert Dick calls it "throat tunning" and its better if you practice it like this:
1You play a few notes (something like an slow melody) in the flute.
2You sing the same thing.
3You sing the same thing with your mouth into the flute and fingering the positions of the notes that youre singing.
4You sing and play at the same time.
After that, if you play the same again in the flute, you will see the diference in the sound, its great because it opens your throat and gives more lows to your sound.
Hi Nina,
Thank's for this helpful demonstration.
I love the flute since a very long time and tried to play it. But I never made it to such a degree that I could say I really control my instrument. Now, maybe, there is hope ...
NIna you are very talented. I love this video.
Correct. Instrumentation basically teaches us to write characteristically for instruments, taking into account their limitations and possible further techniques- eg, for flute, don't write loud parts in the lower register.
Hey Nina you sound Great I love this sound that you make when you do this Ian Anderson eat your heart out!
h20skier...sorry I didn't comment back immediately, I was in rehearsal. You are correct that if more than one pitch sounds (as do here)they are poly/multiphonic. But the term "multiphonics" applied to flute playing is a specific technique used by playing alternate fingerings and changing air speed and angle so that multiple pitches sound without vocalization. end reply part 1
reply part 2: See books by Robert Dick and Pierre Yves Artaud for specific definitions and applications of the terminology "multiphonics" as applied to flute playing. Anyone else want to comment?? I can't comment on how the term is used with other instruments.
dear mylifesonemusicvid: multiphonics involve using alternate fingerings and adjusted blowing speeds/angles to produce multiple pitches in the flute WITHOUT any singing or vocalization involved. You may want to consult Robert Dick's books on extended techniques.
groovekitty: All my students seem to play with a much fuller, open sound after doing this technique and none have complained of problems. They also seem to like doing it once they get the hang of it. Before experimenting on your students, experiment on yourself! Tell us how it goes.
dear groovekitty70: I don't know about research, but I think the technique feels pretty comfortable as I am really just humming naturally and it is not my vocal chords which produce the gritty scratchy sound but the combined effect of the voice plus flute.
i play the flute to so thanks for playing this
Thanks also for this info on simultaneously singing and playing with regards to playing progressive rock-flute.
I'm not a flute player but both you and ninaflute have interesting technique shared. Many years ago I did my experiment on simultaneously singing while playing harmonica. The sound coming out from the harmonica emanates the words from my mouth. Anyway, I just know the notes of the harmonica and a few simple melodies and nothing else, no advance technique I could share.
This is an elementary technique for fule players. Fule (or peul flute, or malinke flute) is a West African transverse flute. I heard that some notes can only be played on it by initially singing the tone into it to excite the desired mode. On top of that, they actually sing lyrics into the instrument. When performed by a skilled musician, this yields the incredible effect of a fuzzy boundary between speech and music. Lots of examples on youtube, do take a listen.
Great video!! I'm actually going to take your online lessons this summer! I would do it sooner, but summer is the only free time I have to actually concentrate on only the flute. I can't wait!!!=D
It has something to do with the physics of sound. If you can buzz without the instrument, you'll find that you can create a crude multiphonic. Your lips and vocal chords are vibrating at the same time. This causes two tones to come out because the two sound waves come out of the same source and travel together.
playing and singing on trombone is quite nice. fifths pop out, as well as 4ths. But 3rds, not so much. Its tricky. But its definitely cool. This is nice, flute allows for so much layering sounds!
Speechless!!!
Hi everybody (and Nina too), fot those who are discovering this particuliar style "to sing while blowing into a flute" search on youtube for Jethro Tull (Bourée by JS BACH) and his amazing flute solo also, on stage, during the fabulous 70's
Nina is a great - and very clear -teatcher.
thanks to you I'm learning how to play for the first time. If you wonder why? Is beacuse I just got a Chinese Style Tibet silver Green Jade Music flute today. Thanks for making this video, I love it, and I'll be watching more of your videos'.
beautiful !!! many thanks :)
I love nina..
omfg that was amazing!
Thanks for this. I will work on it. -Dennis
@Wuttin No, Growling is when you roll your Rs while playing. You can growl on any wind instrument, but it's known as flutter tounging on a flute. It just sounds more like growling on brass instruments and Saxes
Thats rediculas I didn't know it was possible to be that good you are fantastic regards your greatest admirer John
This will really help me in teaching myself.
Though i must say this is quite hard on the piccolo =).
hi your good at the flute.. i play flute/piccolo aswell im pretty good at them been paying flute 6 years i will try to sing and play my flute aswell :D thanks
she has gotten a lot better in a few years, just look at some of her later videos.
by English, I mean a third of my course is English Literature rather than Music, the other 2/3rds are music. I am majoring in composition, I don't do performance.
I was learning this in the instrumentation module. Turns out either they didn't bother mentioning singing while playing as a method of creating multiphonics, just by changing the embouchure (we've only studied instrumentation for woodwind, brass is next term).
@Wuttin Yes it is actually =] I play both instruments
hmmmm thxs for that! I THINK I'LL TRY THAT THE NEXT TIME I'M PRACTICING!
fluteforlife:
yes, it is!
to mylifesonemusicvid and menzoma: that technique only produces multiphonics on low brass instruments. on the trumpet and on woodwinds it creates a growling sound.
@justsoicanwatchacert No, flutter-tonguing is rolling the R's. Growling is what she's doing. Flutter-tonguing on flute is done mainly with the uvula.
Amazing! It works!
No wonder you referred him to the website. The cheapest flute I found on their site would pay for 3 to 6 times what my old car is worth, and the most expensive ones are priced, literally, like a mid to upper range BMW. *woozy*
I used to do that when I was learning to play the flute, and I got yelled at by my teacher! Ah if I could go back to 1985 I'd give him a piece of my mind. =)
Piccolos are cool too =)
Im trying to focus on my Picc. now that i've got the flute down pretty good.
I used to sing and play the flute to annoy my mom, but this actually tought me how to use it the right way. lol
multiphonics is using a specific fingering to play two notes at once. it doesn't have anything to do with singing while playing :)
Interesting advice by a talented and gorgeous lady, but I think Anderson should have gotten a mention since he may not have invented that style but he definitely perfected it, and nowhere it fits better than within this progressive rock context. Anderson can make the flute as powerful as the electric guitar any time, which I think is the reason why the only rock band where the flute really works - superbly - is Jethro Tull.
"hard work": i feel great hearing that from you. :)
I misunderstood, I stand corrected and thanks for sharing this training technique.
By the way it was through Mr. John Axsom youtube channel: johnny102marvin that I saw your video.
....weird, but shes amazing. Ive tried doing this, and i can do it on my hand, but when i put the flute up to my mouth, it stops. Very frustrating, but ill keep experimenting with it
I thought that playing flute is just blowing it. I didn't realize that singing while playing enhances the sound that emanates from it.
I love showing off. Its like, my favorite thing to do. One of the girls in my class keeps making up excuses why I sound bad, but the band director thinks the contrary =)
And there was Roland Kirk who even talked while playing: You did it....
ZadZadrack; Guess what? I didn't wake up one day and play like me...it has taken more than 25 years of hard work!
Was doing this in band class while warming up and people were like "what are u doing?" thanks for the tips
thanks! i got it!!
Great!
tetsuo1: it is for practicing any kind of music, but just for practicing to open your sound. I don't mean for you to perform this way.
wauu, master level =)
awsome flute play i play the flute too. ^_^
Here she's presenting it as an exercise to help improve the sound. You get a mud job on the face to help your appearance after the mud is washed off, not while it's on!
Hi!
I sometimes sing while playing recoder. xD
That might be very different from singing while playing the flute (I can't judge that). But nevertheless it helps me playing the clarinet. I also tried to sing while playing the clarinet, that, however, is much harder. I'll have to practice that a great deal more. xD
@Zombiemuffins13 I prefer to use a low singing tone and don't strain your voice
@fabiohpupo you're right buzzing i should do that thanks for saying that dude or dudet.
Thanks :)
I sometimes like to sing while I whistle: I never realized that others did similar things. I sort of like the semblance of harmony.
Part 2:With woodwind instruments, the reed vibration, or in this cause the instrument's own vibration, creates the sound of the instrument. Your lips' vibrations do not contribute nearly as much to the production of sound in woodwind instruments as they do in brass instruments.
Because the instrument's sound waves and your own voice's do not travel together they do not create chords. Instead a growl or a "buzzy" sound is created.
nice play
I plaed the flute for 2 years
@tekola001 i have an open hole jupiter flut with plugs its a very good flute to use me, i really like it :)
Roxi, you should read the notes. She is using this as a warm-up and demonstrating an effect you can use when playing in certain situations. This is not how she normally plays. You should probably check out her other videos before judging her playing.
@collington22 COOL! Maybe I need to take a trip to Australia...
dear trumpetplayerfromhel: Yes we sure do. Watch my articulation videos!
YES, THIS WAY OF PLAYING FLUTE IS VERY DIFFICULT. IT´S USED A LOT IN JAZZ MUSIC AND ROCK SINFONIC, SOME OF THE BEST EXAMPLES OF THIS WAY OF PLAYING ARE: IAN ANDERSON WITH JETHRO TULL AND THIJS VAN LEER WITH FOCUS.
arent we though?
flutes rock man
and besides competition build character...and skills that nobody else can beat =]]
h20skier53538: multiphonics on flute are actually different than this technique. Multiphonics create more than one pitch to sound on the flute alone without any vocalization.
Check out Robert Dick's music.
Why the flute I think the flute is a pretty instrument with a great sound.
@ikastin do you an instrument? or actually did you even listen to this whole video because she explains how this could help you.
Its like multi-phonics for brass instruments on a flute! I wonder if it would possible to sing a chord on a flute like a brass instrument.
puzzle solved! "Just sing any notes, or a drone. Nina". :-)
thanks for commenting, zpevackapisni.
thnx for the vid
nina, i'm not a native english speaker, so some things i just miss when hearing. what i couldn't understand was: does my singing tune need to be the same as my playing tune? i don't know if i'm making myself clear.
thanks soooooo much!
HELL YEAH PICCOLOS ROCK
@chickennone
Jethro Tull springs to mind !
Do a search on "Rahsaan Roland Kirk". The original innovator of singing/talking/whistling & crazy flute techniques (even plays 3 sax's at once). Hands down the best IMHO.
You will learn a lot more by just listening to his "original" style then this video.