Nikon Z6II for bird photography! The good, the bad, and the....Meh! (One year later)
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- I have been using the Nikon Z6 and Z6II for over a year now and I have come to love and appreciate this wonderful camera. However, there is one thing that drives me nuts....
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This is the only way Nikon can improve. Hearing the feedback from the actual users and not dismissing them. The Z9 is a step in the right direction.
indeed.
It's a step in the right direction, however, they desperately need the new processor in a Z6lll/Z7lll. First, one can't buy the Z9 even if they can afford it. Second, most people can't spend $5,500 on a camera. I have a Z9 on order, but I really can't wait for a Z6lll with an improved AF and 20fps.
@@michael-4k4000 Yes, Nikon needs something to compete with the Canon R5 and the Sony A9ii.
@@michael-4k4000 I'm hoping Nikon do what they did with the D500 / D5 in releasing a top end crop sensor camera with most of the full frame flagship technology inside. I can afford a Z9 but can't justify it to my other half so having a crop version of a Z9 would be ideal for me and I'm sure many others.
@@Gazzab6 I don’t think that there will be a direct D500 APSC replacement because there is really nowhere to go with lenses, if you don’t intend on using long glass, and it’ll be a risk producing a high end APSC body that doesn’t sell.
I think they’ll maybe produce a mini Z9 along the lines of a zD850 and ‘force’ teleconverters, given it might be easier to use them with ML AF.
I’m glad you did this video, especially after purchasing the Z9. I bought the Z6ii late last year after following your TH-cam channel. I couldn’t be happier with the video and image quality and recently took some stunning surfing videos using the internal slow motion. Keep up the great work!
Great to hear! it really is a solid rig. I'd definitely buy it again.
I have owned a pair of Nikon Z6ii’s and have shot with a lot of Nikon Cameras over the last 40+ years. I have to agree, the Nikon Z6ii is a
Superior camera. I agree with you and wait on the day Nikon releases a firmware upgrade to give us eye detect focus in the Z6ii.
Great comments about this great camera! I love my Z6 despite it's drawbacks with the autofocus. Because ergonomics and the output are outstanding. No other brand gives me a workhorse like the Z 24-120 F4 S for landscape photography and reportage 😊
Thanks for the knowledge Josh. Wow those new glasses really make you sound more knowledgeable…. Lol. Keep them coming please
Right? So much wiser!
A very interesting review. As a general amateur photographer I am always interested in the comments people make about camera gear. I own the Nikon Z6ii and whilst I agree with you, to a degree, regarding the autofocus system, I would always put the quality of the image above autofocus. I also feel at times,as photographers, we rely too much on technology rather than photography technique. I frequently find it more satisfying getting a shot with much of the technology turned off, whilst retaining the quality of a modern sensor.
I'm in the thinking a missed shot is a missed shot and even though the Z6ii gives outstanding IQ, if the AF is out, you have missed the shot all together. I'd rather have an image with less IQ than none at all.
I’m seriously thinking of going mirrorless but at present can only afford new camera body wondering how my lenses will work with the adapter?
Exactly.
Agree with you to a point. I find it amazing how photographers survived in the days of film and manual focus in the 70s/80s/90s.
@@chrisguli2865 🚨 They weren’t nailing BIF with long lenses.
Great that you still show your appreciation for the Z6ii even though you also use the Z9! For us that cannot afford the Z9 it gives a comfort. I use Z50 as my step inte mirrorless, coming from D500 and D4 which I still use sometimes. Even the Z50 has extremely good picture quality in good light and the autofocus is also good if you "help" it occasionally. My next camera will be a Z6ii for sure. I think Nikon will keep upgrading firmware in the older cameras so they improve gradually.
Josh your not going blind its because we are getting older mate, great video...
Yeah, my eye doctor said I'm right where I should be at 46. I was just getting headaches all the time. Headaches gone now that I wear my glasses all the time.
If I may, blindness is when your retinas are dying, glasses are just reshaping your own lenses a little.
Trust me, needing glasses is less of a shock.
Great video, Josh! I'm a Canon user, so I can't tell my opinion about this camera. But I think it's a really good one! I think the best camera is the one you own. Anything else is of no use to you...🙂 Keep up the good work 👍🏼
Ps. I like the intro you used for this video. It's really great!
Those are wise words. thank you Max.
I'm also a Canon user, zzzz Nikon Nikon! Sorry Josh!
Best review I have seen of the Z6ii. The pictures you shared, by the way, are incredible!
Glad you liked it! thank you,
First and foremost, thank you for making such an excellent and sincere video. Second, due to the sharpness, softness, and excellent color that you mentioned in the video, the Nikon Z6Ii sensor reminds me of the legendary Nikon D700 because it does not have the over-digitizer look that many people to this day do not care for.
Exactly right! I totally agree. Thank you my friend
Funny how you comment on the desirability of the image quality in the Z6 and II, as it’s exactly that element I miss form my old D750. I had no regrets 4 1/2 years ago when I had the opportunity to upgrade to the D850 early in its life cycle but, similarly, when I look back at some of my best images taken with that D750, I’m left with a smile on my face. I’ll also accept the point that I’ve been a Nikon user for quite a while but part of the reason I am is the ergonomics…the cameras always feel good in my hands. Great stuff. Keep it coming, Josh. Thanks.
They do just feel right. I love lower MP images. I do think 20-24mp is the sweet spot for full frame. High mp is great for cropping but I don't crop that much . the D750 images are so good!
wiser, for sure.
Reason I stay with Nikon is the image quality.. Most people who use other brands will admit the files and IQ on Nikons are better.. they were post z9 only lacking in AF for sports and wildlife tracking.. I shoot weddings and portraits and have no issues with AF what so ever and have a higher hit rate with it than my d850 and d750.. So it’s an exciting time for Nikon users knowing they know what to do moving forward with AF and z6iii will be that much better.
You make a great point. for events and portraits, the AF is fine.
@twilson what focus mode do you use for bride walking down the aisle?
I would have to agree with you Josh, I bought the original Z6 and loved it for anything but BIF, and any kind of action. It is a wonderful night sky camera as well. Coupled with the D500, I found the combination worked very well. I sold the Z6 camera, and bought a used Z7, thinking that the higher resolution would make an even better combo, but found that with astrophotography, the Z7 wasn't nearly as good as the Z6, and I ended up purchasing a Z6ii (Realistically I would have been just as happy with the Z6). Today I have the Z6ii and the new Z9 and find it to be a fantastic combination. Both cameras are very versatile, and while I love the AF, speed, and resolution of the Z9, I will still pick up my Z6ii as a walk about camera, and I still prefer it over the Z9 for night photography as well. The D500 is now gone, and I am packing up the Z7 this weekend to ship to MPB. For the first time since I made the transition to mirrorless I feel very satisfied with my kit, and will probably transition out the remaining F mount lenses over the coming year, completing my arduous, and expensive transition to the Z mount system.
I just tried the Z9 for night photography this week and agree that the Z6 does a better job.
Great balanced video as always. I have to agree with you, the sensor in the Z6ii is Nikon's best - like you said, when you nail the shot on that camera it's quite unique. But I can't agree with you on ergonomics, it's just too personal a factor. I shot Nikon for a decade and I moved to the Sony A1 in good parts because of Nikon's ergonomics. Sony lets me set-up the camera exactly how I want to shoot it, Nikon forces me to shoot it their way. I get it that Nikon's ergonomics are right for you but believe me when I say that I have been relieved to not have to fight my camera for the past year (and equally wish that Nikon's implementation of that 24mp sensor could be had with Sony's customization).
that's good to know. My wife has the A7iv and it is essentially the same ergonomics as the A1. I need to spend more time with that camera and get a better feel for it.
I have owned the Z6 for more than two and a half years now and I agree with all that you said.... I also want to add that my Z6 is now a totally different beast since the time I bought it because of the software updates that Nikon have kept pushing even after 2 years!! Another thing that is overlooked a lot is the build quality and ruggedness of these Z bodies. I have used mine in torrential rain in Thailand, temperatures as high as 47 degrees Celsius in my country to as low is negative 35 degrees in Finnish Lapland and my camera has never failed me!! Hopefully nikon can trickle down some of the improvements of the Z9 to a smaller body in the future....
Those firmware updates have been fantastic. I’d say you are using your equipment to the extreme! Good stuff!
So glad to hear you enjoying the passion again, Josh. If I wasn't heavily invested in Canon glass, I would look into the Z9. But for now its pointing towards the R5. What a great time to be a photographer.
indeed.
I'm 100% with you on the image files. I've shot the D750, and it's so similar. I currently have the z6 original. The D5 and the D850. And I love the z6 files. I've also found my keeper rate for in focus images has been better than the D5 and definitely better than all previous Nikons. Keep in mind I don't even try to use the tracking features. On a recent trip to Antarctica I ended up using the z6 90% of the time. I came home and immediately ordered the z9. My DSLRs are for sale.
Fantastic. I hope it arrives soon.
Sir your videos are so addictive. love from India . Want to meet with you one day & want to go for birding one day. you are just awesome
So nice of you. that would be wonderful.
Thanks for your honest feedback. I am a canon shooter but watch all your vids regardless of content. I always pick up some things. I think I may have mentioned mentioned this before. Keep up the good work
Thank you so much Spence. I sure do appreciate it.
So on point Josh. I absolutely love the Z7II and the Z6II. The size, ergonomics, menus, and dial placement is terrific. Meanwhile, I am spending much of my time with a Sony because I need the reliability of autofocus. Nikon should drop everything they are doing and find a way to be the best autofocus company in the business. When they do that they will dominate the market because the images and raw files are simply AMAZING. To earn extra money to supply my photography addiction I have to do sports and video projects on the side and Nikon simply isn't reliable enough. Also, Instagram and other platforms are moving to more video content. The Sony A1 is probably the closest thing to achieving the perfect hybrid camera (with a comfortable mobile size) but the cost is high and I would take the images, color science and raw files of the Z cameras all day long over the Sony.. Keep up the good work.
Well said my friend. so true on all accounts. thank you so much.
Exactly.....
Comparing the sony a1 to the z6ii/z7ii totally don't match...I guess the z9 is what you should base it on
Absolutely agree with everything you said. Z6ii takes a bit more work but I hardly every take my D500 out now. Just purchased the PF 500 so looking forward to seeing how this performs compared to my 200-500mm. Ryan Troy’s channel just interviewed a Nikon marketing guy who said the Z6ii auto focus won’t get near the Z9 which we knew but they will update firmware every few months so hoping for some more improvements. Keep up the great videos!
Thank you Paul. You are going to love that 500 PF. It’s a fantastic lens.
Hold up, is that a new intro? I love it!
It’s pretty cool right? My friend Chris Stewart (stew blue) made it for me. It was a kind gift.
JOSH-- I love my Z6II, but for sports like Basketball & Football, plus Track and volleyball the Z6II it is worthless! But stills like shooting a old barn, which I have mounted in local restaurant, a 30x40 canvas print, lots of compliments so for my sports shot still use my D500! JOSH- really loved this video - I could relate to you full bore! Randy Bocksnick(Montana)
Yeah, that pretty much sums it up.
Hey Josh, thanks for a fair assessment on the Z6ii - good not great would describe the AF system. The Nikon AF system has many variables, and setting the right combo of AF modes is essential. Many Z6 shooters are using the wrong modes for their subject type. Keeping the firmware up to date is also essential. Of course, fast forward a year later, Dec 31 2023 and the Z6iii is upon us soon with the AF performance of the Z8/9/f and the IQ of the 24mp sensor. Still, very happy as an owner of the Z6ii and Z7ii. Not all my subjects demand blazing fast AF. Happy New Year 2024!
Well for me the Autofocus capabilities or lack thereof for action and BIF is why I didn't jump to Nikon mirrorless when it first came out, not needing video for any business model it was not a driver for me to invest in the Nikon mirrorless market. I sat.....I waited .....finally the Z9 and while one can argue it's the least expensive camera for what it offers from the competitors which is true beyond a doubt it still took a lot of soul searching to drop the $5,500.00+ to finally go from being a 2x D850 user to sell one and the 200-500 zoom to enable the purchase of the Z9. The Z9 was the only body that convinced me now was the time to make the switch. I'm happy I did but still have friends who can't justify a Z9 purchase financially and jumped to Sony because they have a 200-600 Zoom right now, not down the road and the A7 IV has great AF for birds in flight vs the Z6/Z7 system that they were using, they think the build quality and ergonomics are better than the Sony but its all about not getting enough sharp images with the Z6/Z7 series. Nikon needs to come out with a $3,500.00 price point model that fixes this issue, the hardware limitations of the Z6/Z7 won't allow firmware updates to fix this problem.
Well said Jeffrey. it's all about getting the shot.
The glasses look great.
I finally got the a7iv. I haven't had a chance to us it, which worked out because it gave me time to set up the custom functions.
I agree with you. Even as a Sony shooter, the ergonomics of Nikon are far better.
Have been using Nikon for 30yrs plus and now the Z7ii and Z6ii. Having used the D5 and D850 and D500 before changing to the Z series. I still use mostly F mount lenses. BIF is a major wildlife category for a lot of people but for me here in Africa, I shoot mostly big animals and the bigger slow moving birds. For me the Focus system is very good, fast and accurate. With BIF, the key is to find the most workable settings, and I agree it is not as fast as the Sony A9ii that I used with their 200-600, but it also missed shots and in a series would have soft images and sharp images. Fact is that Mirrorless leaves a lot more decision making to the camera and fact is they are not perfect. For me the benefit is that with the 500pf and the new Z lenses, it is very compact and lightweight and a joy to use on safari and traveling. Yes the Z9 and the 400 f2.8 with build in TC1.4 would be fantastic but the money and price tag is 5x more expensive. Hopefully with some firmware upgrades the Z7/6ii series will see some improvements in this department. But I agree, even the Fuji XT4 focus system offer more options. So Nikon has some work to do, but for now I am happy with the systems
Well said my friend. I completely agree with the fact that we are trusting those computers more and more to make our auto focus decisions. I’m noticing every day that even the Z9 finds a way to miss shots and focus on the wrong things.
Nice Josh, switching things up! Always good to hear what you have to say
thank you Sean. I appreciate it.
This is a great review and perceptive about the aesthetic qualities of Nikon's images. I've owned the brand since their D200 (the only one I never had to "figure out" - for its time it just "worked") - I bought the Z6ii because functionally its not THAT different to what I'm used to. I don't shoot a lot of fast moving images other than my kids and half the time just use focus peaking. Sony is cleverer with its autofocus but with some nerve damage I just can't hold the camera. Their focussing issues seem like more of a software issue than anything else.......
Well said. You pretty much summed it up.
As a fellow Z6II owner I agree with your thoughts on the camera. I am more than pleased with the video performance and the autofocus in video seems better than image to me. The detail you can get out the camera in both images and video is A+.
But there is one this that just drives me bat-assed-crazy and that there is no way to lock the focus point to the center of the screen if you want to. I have missed more shots due to the focus point being bumped up or down into the corner than missed autofocus by a TON!!!
The other A+ features that I use a lot are Focus Shift Shooting for macros (a macro photographers dream come true!!) and Focus Peaking, especially when you get used to manually focusing in video or trying to figure out just what really is the closest point on that darn bug when shooting Macro!!!
The high ISO performance is truly amazing! Especially if you use Topaz DeNoise!!!!!
I have spent hours sitting on the deck with an adult beverage practicing autofocus on birds at the feeder for both images and video and practice does make perfect!
Great review!
Thank you so much Andrew. They did a great job on this camera. certainly not perfect but pretty damn good. 🙂
Fascinating insight in the Z6ii Josh. I have been shooting with Nikon gear since 2006 and the image quality, menus and ergonomics are top draw. I agree that the 24MP FF sensor hits the sweet spot for that lovely quality. I also now own a Fujifilm X-S10 and that is a lovely little mirrorless camera-there is something magical about their film simulations!
I hear nothing but good things about the fujifilm products. However, I understand they are not ideal for wildlife.
@@BayouJosh True. I don't think that Fujifilm has really targeted wildlife shooters (seems more geared towards street, landscape & portrait) but on their latest lens roadmap they have a new 150-600mm coming in 2022-now that could be very good!
My first DSLR is a C2K (Costco Camera Kit). The 3200... 8 years after I bought it, I finally took the plunge and took classes at the local Vocational College. First day of class we had to introduce ourselves and say what our equipment was. When I said D3200, it was like I broke wind in church...
But now that I've shot thousands of pictures and experimented with all the different options available to me, I know what I want in a new camera.
Which, when I pull the trigger, will be a 6Zii...
Totally agree with you on the sensor IQ. My best shots on my Z6ii are consistently better than my best shots from my D850. And I love my D850. Lately though, I’ve returned to my Z6ii for BIF and action and worked on improving my technique and dealing with the AF limitations. When I’m paying attention, get my settings right, give the AF time for the initial lock on and shoot short bursts, I’m getting much better results than early on. Still get a few maddening results but less so and, with better overall consistency, more tolerable.
Still waiting on my “Z500” though. And the 400 2.8 TC.
you can certainly get good BIF results. That new AF system from the Z9 really takes it to another level though.
I totally agree it can’t keep up with my 6yr old let alone a peregrine in death dive
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I think people are becoming a bit jaded when it comes to autofocus. Today’s whiz-bang AF technology will be “obsolete” soon enough. Didn’t the D810 have an amazingly-advanced AF system not that long ago? My current bird-photography set up is a Nikon V2 paired with an adapted Sigma 100-400. If the birds are still, the AF is fine. If the birds move much, forget it. I have been looking at used D7200, D810, and Z6 bodies as potential bird-photography cameras that are within my budget. Any one of them would be an improvement over the V2. I found it interesting that you mentioned all three of these bodies in this video. They must have some merit, even if they don’t have the current state-of-the-art AF capabilities.
Thanks for posting a video about a great “obsolete” camera. We need more of these.
I loved owning everyone of those cameras. the D810 image quality is some of the best ever.
I too love the image quality of my Z6ii. It’s a wonderful all around camera. Yes, I’m hoping for at least one more firmware update that improves the autofocus. I don’t do birds in flight or sports so it’s good for me now, but hey, better is desirable. I needed glasses at age 9, contact lenses (hard type) at 16, bifocals (progressive) around 2000. As of last January, after cataract surgery, trifocal and Toric IOLs mean no eyeglasses, no orange tint. Looking through the viewfinder wearing glasses was doable, but awful. You might want contact lenses just for photoshoots. The future looks good for sticking with Nikon, I think.
they keep trying to sell me on contact lenses. I just hate putting things in my eyes.
@@BayouJosh Back in 1961, at 16, I got $80 hard contact lenses. Did not realize they were gen II, larger than others, but at the price… . Skipped the vented kind, got gas permeable, they were tiny! For years, I had no backup glasses. After a shower, install, just before lights out, remove. Around third year engineering, got a pair of eyeglasses for extended study hours. Obviously, one can used to contact lenses. Strangely, in 2008, tried soft contact lenses in Africa for photography and Scuba at the time. Maybe poor fit, they were uncomfortable for me. And my prescription is strong, +13 and +12 so “nothing” was not an option.
If you don't shoot sports or wildlife then you have any amazing camera!
You just summarized every thought I had about my new Z6 II. Yes the autofocus could be better but I’ve learned how to get the best out of it. I have a Sony that I’ve used for years but I’ve placed it in my closet because I prefer the pictures I get from my Z6 II more.
those files are beautiful.
Great new intro-clip. When I finally get my Z9 (ordered Oct 31st) I going to try doing some video to complement taking stills. You made a very compelling argument why we wildlife photographers should do photography and video. Thanks.
Video has been so rewarding. you should definitely give it a go.
That's a fantastic honest experiential review.
Thank you kindly!
I photograph my daughters' theater performances with no problem on the Z6II. Love the raw images and the camera shutter is actually significantly quieter than the R6 or A7iii, which matters to me when I don't want to ruin the performance with loud clicks. Guess shooting birds is another story though! Love your videos!
Yeah, those dang birds. silly how much time and effort we put into that.
Hey Josh, no doubts that Nikon delivers the best files in the business (at least for what it concerns 35mm FF). I shoot Nikon, and I have shot with Pentax, Canon and (alas) Sony. Sony lasted less than an hour I must say... as ergonomics are science fiction on that camera whilst on the Canon they're very good as well. Back on track. I bought a Z6 in 2020 and noticed immediately that I was focusing on Monday and it nailed the subject on Wednesday! With moving subjects, is like drilling holes in the water (as we say in Italy) - just can't do it. Period. So the Z6 went straight back to the shop where the shopkeeper commented "welcome to the club of returners, Nikon will be thrilled to know that". Now we have 2 processors on the 'new versions II' but with them we also have a huge obstacle: it's the Nikon Z9. Although I am convinced that we have been squeezing only half of the juice out of those 2 processors (mind you one is DEDICATED strictly to AF functions!), I am also convinced that Nikon won't be cannibalising the sale of their flagship mirrorless (Z9 that is) for some time. We'll have to probably wait until the Z6,7 (iii ) and possibly the Z8, to be released and then witness a technology trickledown from the Z9. Having said that Josh nailed it: when you get an image in focus - nothing compares. Nothing. (Errata Corrige - too many typos so I had to intervene!)
Good stuff my friend! Yes, it has made me beat my head against the tree a few times. The auto focus has even made me want to throw the camera into the river. But, the challenge was kind of fun. I noticed now my expectations are so high with the Z9 that I get a little disappointed when things don’t turn out perfect. Story of my life, managing expectations. Thanks as always my friend
@@BayouJosh I bet you felt like throwing the camera into the river... I've been there and it's indeed frustrating. If you now compare it with the Z9 this frustration can grow even further. Perhaps take the Z6ii ride as a 'zen experience' and any nailed image is a bonus as, I still think, that the quality of the Z6ii and Z7ii his still higher (I'm referring to the sensor now, not all the frills that the Z9 comes with). I believe that Nikon at some point, will have to further improve AF on these smaller cameras... it's just a waiting game I suppose. With video it seems doing a decent job. I mena these birds are not F1 cars after all!
You hit the nail on the head. The Z6ii is great if you want to combine stills with video but when it comes to nailing the shot and consistency, it doesn’t even come close to the D500/850. You said the ergonomics are great but the Z6ii’s downfall is you have to press a button and a wheel to change the AF Area modes which is no good when you are in the middle of BIF shots and the mode selected isn’t working . Also on the Z6ii, the max shutter speed only works on central single AF point and 12 Bit RAW whereas the DSLRs are kicking ass straight out of the box. I have to agree though, the image quality of the Z6ii blows the DSLRs out of the water but I would rather have the reliability of getting the shot. The only Nikon camera I would use instead of my D500 is the Z9 and I would keep the D500 so I can get the shots of the small birds in cluttered environments which the mirrorless cameras struggle to capture.
Yes, Gary the D500 is a great camera, and I actually sold my first one to purchase a Z6ii. Big regret, and ended up buying another D500 to tide me over until the Z9 came out. Once I got my Z9 the D500 just never left the stable as the Z9 blows it out of the water on many levels, even with small birds in cluttered environments, and I have now sold my beloved D500 again. Today I use a Z9/Z6ii combo and it has me completely satisfied body wise. Now I am trying to decide what to do with transitioning my longer lenses from F mount to Z mount.
all very valid points. thank you Gary.
@@Interbeing_CDN You have confirmed my thoughts Todd and for me I would only replace the D500 with the Z9. Enjoy your combo Todd.
I agree, I’ve used Nikon, Canon, Sony, and Fujifilm… Nikon’s image quality is the best. Some argue, it’s using Sony sensors, but a camera is more than just a sensor.
I have changed from D500 to Z6ii. Overall a great camera.Most of my shooting is small birds in bushes and trees, so i do miss the single point focus on the fn button.
I now shoot Fuji and absolutely love it. BUT one thing I absolutely miss about Nikon is the ergonomics. I had to add a grip to my X-T4 to make it feel better. Also, the Nikon image quality is so underrated. I absolutely LOVE the image quality.
Also, am I sleep deprived and just now noticed the intro? Or was that the first time using it? I really liked it. Short, simple, unique to you.
first time using that into. thanks for noticing. My friend Chris Stewblue made that for me.
I too am a Nikon NUT. I started shooting with a Nikon F2 back in the film days in my early teens.
I recently switched to the Nikon system. A Z6 followed by a Z6ii along with most of Nikon's Z prime lenses.
Yes, Nikon images are off the chain. That is what sold me on the Z system.
It must depend on the shooter, I don't have any mayor focus issues.
Thanks for posting your video.
Nice intro!!
Great video, I share your opinion. I jumped to the Z6 from a Nikon D500, and now using a Z6 II and I can't imagine me going back to the D500 because of the AF. The image quality, the noise control, the mirrorless functions... It is impossible to turn back to a DSLR, and I keep thinking that the AF system in the Nikon Z6 II is not that bad, just need more time to get used to it but once you get used is good enough to most photos, maybe not as reliable as Sony or Canon but... not that bad to make me move and change a complete system.
That’s kind of how I felt about the AF until I tried the Sony and now my Z9. It’s kind of like…ignorance is bliss. At least it was for me. 😄
Yeah, know exactly what I am doing and would never trade a D500 D850 D5 or D6 for a Z camera if I am photographing fast moving subjects. Its called going backwards. Here's the deal...for me out of focus shots ate worthless and cost me $$$. I can get 80-90% of my photos of a dog running at me fast with a D500 or one of the above mentioned cameras...so why would I settle for 40-50%...and increase the chance I don't get the shots(s) I need? I just don't understand a willingness to pay good money to go backwards....
@@BayouJosh I know there are best options, I tried Sony and the AF is awesome but... I'm a photography for hobby, i don't earn money of it so, every change costs me months of savings and change the full system at these days... So, for my use, i'm happy with it
@@thefourthquarter7429 it is only my opinion, i feel that what Z6 ll offer to me is worth and is all I need. With that said, if I was a professional phorographer at this moment of the year, in Nikon the only option is stay with DSLR, jump to the Z9 or changing to Sony or Canon.
As I said, only my opinion, I'm not saying that we all need to move to mirrorless, either D500 and D850 are great equipment
I know it is an old camera, but the D700/D3 files have that look to them that you are talking about. Even more so.
I totally agree!
Hi Josh, I am hobbyist photographer like you. Your are more dedicated to your hobby then me (Golf, grandkids visits, travel and fishing consumes a lot of my time). I bought the Z50 with it kit lenses for travel (Lite weight) and to get into the mirrorless echo system (just sold my D7200). I agree with you on Nikon color science is the best (that why haven't change brand), but the AF is subpar at best. I was little surprise when Nikon introduce the Z6II/Z7II that they never improved the AF. All of Sony's product line up has better AF than Nikon (except for Z9) mid-range cameras. Even their APS-C camera have better AF. Hopefully Nikon will get their act together and start improving the AF on their mid-range cameras. If not they will further get behind.
You are absolutely right. If they figure that out for the mid range cameras it will be a game changer.
Spot on Josh. I'm finding in my own use a higher keeper rate in the auto-focus but saying that, yes we'd all like it to be better. Video quality as you said is phenomenal. And the glasses,? Yep, we all get older, and as a doctor told me, we have some mechanical parts that need repair. Keep up the great work.
Thank you so much Jim.
I bought the z6 ii when all the praise of the z9 started coming in, just banking on it will trickle down. If not, oh well still a nice camera.
it really is a nice camera
I have to agree about the image quality of the Z6II, I used my friends Z9 and I just prefer how the Z6II image look. I just adore the Z6II.
Love the new setup/approach here in this video. Lighting is nice as well. The Z6II is a hell of a camera. I see it as a great B roll camera and a lighter simpler choice for certain things. Can't wait to see what you do with that Z 400 man.
thank you Sir. Stewblue made that logo for me. He is so talented.
thank you 🥰
Hmmm, I patiently waited for you to get to the heart of the matter, and glad i did. Sorry, just not a fan of long or hokey intros... Funny man you are however. 😊
Your perspective and feedback regarding the Z6/ Z6II however, was very informative and useful for anyone considering the ‘Z’ system. I have rented a Z7 on occasion, and can just about agree with you, line by line. The metering and image quality of that camera was great! I have not tried the Z6, despite wanting to purchase one. I am waiting to see what Nikon is going to do, and wishfully thinking the price of a Z6II might come down some, with a new release? Yeah, Dream on! Appreciate the video. Thumbs up! 👍 ✌🏻🇺🇸📷😀
Thanks George. I know I am a little Hokey sometimes. This isn't my typical video so I find myself winging it.
@@BayouJosh Thanks for your reply Josh. I wouldn’t call you Hokey, and I didn’t mind the Intro, too much... Appreciate your reply, and so I hit that ole’ Subscribe button. Looking forward to more of your content and really solid feedback and opinions! Take care! 👍✌🏻📷
@@BayouJosh Alrighty then... 🤔🙄😕
The pictures in your video are fantastic ! Love your work ! Thanks for your feedback, thinking about replacing my D750 with a Z6II, very useful for me !
AGREE, AGREE, AGREE!!!
Bird photography is probably the most demanding thing I can think of for a camera autofocus system. In fact, I got into it, in part, to keep in practice for covering the Blue Angels flight demonstration team. If you can track an osprey you can track an F/A-18:) I wonder what sports shooters think of the Z6II?
great point Bruce
Just to be pedantic, the Navy and Marines dropped the “A” in the Super Hornet’s name.
Im still holding onto my original Z6 and we can thank Nikon for the firmware updates they have provided since the cameras launch. The eye/face continuous autofocus with the latest firmware is solid. If anyone remembers how poor the continuous af was at the cameras launch they will agree the Z6 as of right now is the best bang for buck and most improved full frame mirrorless camera you can buy.
I agree.
I hate the autofocus on my z6 for live events. It’s absolutely useless. If the z6 II is as you say, I can only hope the technology from the z9 arrives in a z7 III in 22, because I will sell all my gear next year if it’s not.
Other than that, I love the camera and agree with your positive points. I’m really hoping Nikon doesn’t drop the ball and does the z6 and 7 III right.
I hope so too. thank you my friend.
I agree with your points on the AF. The AF is accurate, as long as you're deal with subjects that are distinguishable and not moving very fast, or that are moving in a predictable pattern with little to no obstructions. It's the tracking of erratic subjects (such as in sports or wildlife) that is the biggest drawback, although the Z9 does seem to fill this gap quite well, but is also 2.5x the price of a Z6 II. Hopefully the upcoming Z8 will close the gap a little (although they are predicting it to be close to the Z9 in price, so hopefully Nikon does a Z6 III with some update technology to give the AF a good improvement and be more competitive to Sony and Canon). I think they can now that they've figured out the Expeed 7 and the stacked sensor design which I think will be the basis for all Z cameras (FF at least) moving forward.
Yes, the Z6_2 images are gorgeous, like more detailed D3 ones, the static auto-focus system is as good as any, I've been able to auto focus on Venus under the Moon, amazing. Where it falls down are the auto tracking abilities and choices. I use mine in those situations like DSLR, good old fashioned technique with single point and Dynamic modes. I wish the tracking systems were better but I think one needs the Expeed 7 models to get that. But, tracking apart, it's a marvelous image and video maker..
I shoot hybrid with a D750 and I love the files that I get in photo and video. I know the Z6 files are good but the reviews on the AF means I've never considered getting one. Im hoping a Z8/Z6 III will be announced soon and it'll have Z9 AF - then I'll finally move from Nikon DSLR.
I am sure it will happen soon.
Bayou Josh is gonna buy the $14,000 Nikon 400mm f2.8....... can't wait....
😁
@@BayouJosh are you aware they are coming with another 400mm probably f5.6 for around $10k less?
The video to picture flip switch function was already on my old canon 7D back in 2009 🤔
Thanks a lot Josh ! I bought my Z6ii yesterday ;)
Parallels my experience. I have 2 Z6s and awaiting the Z9, ordered a few days after announcement.
fingers crossed you'll see your camera soon. 🙂
Nice logo reveal 😍😍😍
thank you
Did I hear that right? Things get chaotic. That bird just flew bayou? :-D
😆 Exactly
beautiful photos Josh!
Are most of those shot with the 500PF?
about 50/50 with the 500PF and the 600f/4
Cool video!! Thank you for your insight!!
My pleasure!
I have the z6II with 500PF for wildlife, and an Olympus em-5miii for casual photography and macro. The little em-5iii has a far more reliable AF system, in particularly it doesn't have the z issue of latching onto the background.
I'm going to wait the year out to see what Nikon does but the new OM-1 is strongly tempering for me to go all in MFT.
I've heard nothing but good things about that OM-1
That OM-1 looks a great option for wildlife right now with it's new AF system and burst rates, weather-sealing and good selection of telephoto lenses...I am tempted!
Thought about the OM-1 also. Pro-capture, in camera focus stacking, light weight and lower cost all would be great. I just can't get past the poor high ISO performance. Most of my opportunities are in the early morning or evening light. I am also trying to improve subject seperation. Everything seems to point to full frame.
I have the same considerations.
@@tc6912 yeah the iso is my area of pause as well, the z6ii does spoil me in that regard. But noise levels for the OM-1 looks like an nice improvement and there's always Topaz DeNoise for when things need to be pushed farther.
I put the playback for stills on the top function button, lol.
Changed the bottom one to auto focus type, best decided ever to make it quick to change focus
That’s funny! My top function button is the auto focus quick change.
The only thing I have to add is that this Z6 came out at the same time as the EOS R. And both were seen as being far behind the A7III, which changed things. The Z6 II was an incremental upgrade, just adding slightly more power and a second card slot. The Z6 III will obviously be much more in line with the rest.
I am sure you are right.
The Z6 autofocus has improved a lot since that initial firmware. Not really the same at all anymore.
As someone who owned the A7IV that the autofocus comment is not totally correct. With native e mount lenses in most cases yes it’s amazing but go third party and you have similar results as the Z6II
Lovely video and thanks for putting it. I too do bird photography which means will follow you.
Thank you my friend. I’m glad you enjoyed it.
Great camera, but since we're in 2023, I might wait a generation for the z6iii. Hopefully it comes out soon cause my D750 kinda bricked.
Great vid again, Josh. I agree with most everything, but lean more to the Z7/Z7II/Z9. I've had the Z6 since it came out and use it mostly for video. It's a great camera. I just love high mpx sensors. I get what you're saying about the creamy quality and I still love the images I got with the D700, but I probably wouldn't go back... Since the D800e, I've been hooked. The D850 picked it up a big notch and now the Z9 is killing it. I started Nikon mirrorless with the V1 and loved it. Got the Z6 and Z7 when they came out and was hooked again. Love the Nikon image quality and look forward to seeing what they come up with for the Z8. A lightweight body with 100mpx and expeed (8) processing might be fun to play with... :)
It doesn’t sound like you’re asking for much out of the Z8! 😆 Thanks as always Tony.
Interesting.
I’d be keen to hear your view for people who don’t do video. Would you choose the Z6ii over a D500 on that basis? With a D500 costing £800 used, is a Z6ii worth £2,000!? And even if Nikon improve the AF with the Z6iii, what will they charge for it?
What you say about Sony and Canon AF rings true. What keeps me with Nikon is my 300/f4 and 500/f5.6. I do keep wondering however: what about an A7iv and an adapter …
When will the Nikon Z6iii be released lol
It's a step in the right direction, however, they desperately need the new processor in a Z6lll/Z7lll. First, one can't buy the Z9 even if they can afford it. Second, most people can't spend $5,500 on a camera. I have a Z9 on order, but I really can't wait for a Z6lll with an improved AF and 20fps.
Josh, May I ask. you seem to like low angle shots across water. They look great. When I stand on the bank of my boy's farm dam I'm at a much greater angle. On land I get good sharp shots. But on water I struggle. Should I be getting low and dirty to get sharper shots of the birds on the water? Yeah you guessed it. I'm somewhat lazy. LOL.
Whatever it takes to get I level! Very low, and very dirty. I just spent the morning laying on side of the river and I spent the last 10 minutes wiping sand and dirt off of my pants. Worth it!
@@BayouJosh Well I must get dirty then. But I have to make myself dual purpose. You see, I am the world's laziest wildlife photographer. I have a "pond" with a "hide". The pond is my birdbath set about 3m from the "hide" which is my house. Sitting in a lounge chair with lens cap against the window is as low and dirty as I get at this "venue". LOL. Scroll down my FB page rob.guyatt.12 to see some of my "outings" LOL.
Nice analysis 😀
Thank you,
I’m going to buy Nikon Z6 2, I’m going to use it 100% for a Portrait, so research and I think it will be more than enough for my studio and outdoor Photoshoot, what do you think about the idea? I know I’m not gonna be disappointment with this camera for my needs.., Do you think it’s gonna be worth it to wait for the Z6 3 ??
That is perfect for your needs. 😀
I shoot canon but want to upgrade from my 6D with its dire focus system. I have to say I love the images that come out of the Nikon mirror less cameras. I’m torn as there is so much choice. Sony with its great lens selection, canon which feels homely to me, and Nikon which seems to have - as you said - buttery images. I think I’m going to hold all three in my hand and see which feels best as I honestly don’t think any choice will be bad given the tech in all these cameras but Nikon z6ii is standing out to me for the added bonus of good weather sealing - something the R6 lacks.
As a Nikon Shooter I'm torn between a Z6II or a Sony A7iv. Nikon my lenses will work including my much loved 105mm F2.8 macro. Moving to Sony I'd have to sell off all my Nikon gear at a substantial loss and start over with lenses and flash units, etc. Oh well, deciding what kind of very expensive toy to buy is really not a big problem is it? At least it's not like trying to decide between paying the heating bill or buying groceries for the week. Be grateful for the blessings we have!
oh goodness. decisions, decisions. Luckily we own both now and I can say with confidence that the A7iv AF just blows the Z6 out of the water. However, I was patient and waited on that Z9 and I am so glad I did. I think there will be a $2500 30mp nikon with that Z9 AF in the next 12-18 months. If that happens and people jumped ship they may regret it. especially with these amazing Z line lenses.
@@BayouJosh Yes, I keep waiting for something to materialize in the Nikon ecosystem that is more affordable than the Z9. Being a retired guy the Z9 is out of my price range. Well, more accurately it is more than I want to spend but same difference. haha... But the great news here is I don't "need" a new camera just now so time is on my side.
Looking forward to seeing Katie's review of the new Sony system.
The AA filter on the Z6II sensor could be what is giving it the "creamy" look compared to the 45 Mpix sensors and the DX cameras which do not have an AA filter.
Good Point
Hi I'm a sony a7iv shooter. I use to shoot a Nikon Z5, D500 and D850. Yes nikon always has this dreamy and yet sharp image. Very subtle difference but i could see its not there in sony. But that say, if u wanna shoot birds in flight u just got to get a z9 or sony
Well said.
I agree. For me, I am not a bird or fast action photographer. The fastest action is people running, or cars, but once you lock on with 3D tracking or Focus Tracking, the Z7ii is more than sufficient (same with the Z6ii). I mostly shoot AFS Auto-Area AF (people or animal) and with a click of the Ok Button or Fn2, I am in AF tracking. So, all works for me. I also own a Z9, so if speed is what I ever need, then I have the Nikon monster for that. Great comments.
Josh, great video. Could you comment on which AF setting you were using for the images in this video? Dynamic, Single point, Wide with animal focus?
I had a D600. The sensor was wonderful. I realize the Z6 does not have the exact same sensor but I think I remember reading that the Z6 sensor is an evolution of the one from the D600. You are dead on about the creaminess of the colors. There is a glow in prints where subjects that are in focus just jump from the soft background. It is more than the lens. I used the same lenses on the D600, D500 and Z7. The cameras with the denser sensors just do not have the same magic.
This was a great video as is becoming usual. Thanks for all your videos.
Yeah, that sensor just doesn't get enough praise. it really is fantastic. thanks as always.
I also think 24 megapixels is more than enough as I don’t print my images. Hopefully Nikon will cascade some of that Z9 technology down to its non-flagship bodies with lower pixel count in the near future :)
Agree!
Thanks Josh, will u recommend upgrading from Nikon d750 to Z6ii? I am shooting mostly portrait and weddings
If you would like to add video to your workflow, yes. If not. No.
Nikon... LOL. I have been a Nikon shooter since 1996. Someone once told me back then... "If you want ease of use, go with Canon. If you want the best glass and ultimately the best photos hands down, go with Nikon. Just remember, Nikon is gonna make you work for that great photo. It's truly a photographer's camera." To date, I agree with that thinking. I love my Nikons, including the Z7ii and the Z9, but they both make me earn the great images I create. Still would not give it up for another system. 😆
The day after my 40th birthday, my ability to focus with astigmatism became noticeable. I think that's when the warranty wears out.
Oh, yeah, I am definitely out of warranty.
Cheers Josh, like you, I own the d500 and d850 used specifically for Birding/bif, and Landscapes respectively, (the d500 has it all over the d850 for birds imo) and my question is; would you have jumped to mirrorless if you didnt shoot video? Thanks...
Wayne
I agree with the 24 pixels being the perfect’ i have a D810 and had a D750’ i loved my D750 ‘ now i have the Z62 ‘ the images are so pleasing for the eyes from Z62’ There is a shiny and crisp feeling on the images from the higher pixel ones. dont know’ I feel the layering of pixels in an image might be the reason. !
Well said. I agree.
Hello, I agree with you on all points so right what you say, in almost all. I think the autofocus is as bad as some say. Compared to a Sony or Canon, the ingenious bird autofocus is missing. I hope it comes in via firmware in the Z6II. But what I can say, with my type of wildlife photography, I get along just fine with the existing AF. I have no more waste than with my D500. Since I've had the Z6 and the Z6II, the D500 has been staying at home more and more often. I wonder why ? As you say, it's a fantastic camera. I love her the way she is. Until then. Greetings from the Siebengebirge / Germany. Gunter
Well said Gunter. I feel the image quality in the Z6 is just so much better than the d500 and that is saying a lot considering the D500 has great image quality.