Perhaps fencing is a more useful analogy. These are athletes in a sport trying to score points. It is based on combat but the lethality has been removed so it is no longer a fight, now it is a match.
Fencing is fun and it would at least be somewhat useful in a real fight, assuming you had a fairly long object like a stick to use in a fight however fencing has so many pointless rules that it ruins alot the effectiveness it would have in an actaul fight.
Olympic fencing yes, historical recreations or HEMA, they try to be as faithful to the art as possible ..... well minus stabbing each other with pointy stuff, lol
It's sad. See your point but wrestling at least allows cross faces. Not jiu jitsu crossfaces I mean what essentially equates to a pseudo-punch. Many-a-noses have been broken in wrestling matches across the world.
Dewey already said that he has no doubt a skilled IBJJF 'player' could easily defeat and even kill another person, especially if that person doesn't know BJJ. And yes, wrestlers are fucking dangerous also.
@@ChestGuyMGTOW By crossface, do you mean somesort of a neck crank like the cruficix neck crank? In IBJJF, neck cranks are allowed if they also include a choke, but yeah, pure neck cranks are not allowed. Though you can apply a lot of pressure on someone's nose if you want.
@@ChestGuyMGTOW cross faces are allowed but why the fuck would you try breaking someones nose using pressure there's no point in that u don't get anything by doing that and if the judge sees that you are trying to break something or just hurt your opponent on purpose he's going to DQ you
I tap boxed with my friends all my life through highschool and middle school. Both kids I went to school with and that I trained with and make no mistake it was a game. No one got knocked out, no one got hurt it was all points. It was fun, was it also a drill that made me a better boxer? Yes, but it was a game none the less.
Hi Ramsey, thank you so much for answering my question now I understand why and it makes perfect sense. Also, I think almost died a fanboy when I heard you say my name lol
That's why I like how wrestlers refer to the sport. They ask "Are you wrestling this weekend?" "How'd your matches go?" In bjj they be like "won 3 fights for gold in my division today" all hugging eachother on the podium in their gis 😂
As a jiu jitsu player myself , I tend to call my self a player because for the most part in practice with my team mates we roll in a more playful manner not trying to kill or hurt each other . The atmosphere of a jiu jitsu gym for the most part is like this , we come to play and to learn but those who do not do it in a playful manner are dealt with quickly . It’s a game to us much like chess but I do know that that game could turn deadly at any moment.
hol up, where's the Dewey dance videos? How can we judge his value as a coach without seeing him dance arhythmically wilst level changing every time he lifts a leg?
@@carlmanvers5009 no the japanese themselves say " judo player" when they say it in english , they just do though. To me its still the worlds deadliest martial art, osoto gari on concrete and hadaka jime will kill more effectively than all the fake bullshido in the world put together, I'm just saying it's the term they use in Japan.
Same as Chi Sau in Wing Chun, or Men Kiu in Siu Lam Kuen, the training exercises are more like a game than a fight. Ideally these partner exercises keeps everyone uninjured and progressing rather than hampering each others progress. One of my teachers I respect a lot says if you wanna learn how to fight then fight.
When I make it to a high level organization and can quit my job I’m going to come hang out and train with you guys regularly. You and the people you train with are great, and you’re very knowledgeable and skilled so I look forward to working with you in the future my friend! :)
I normally agree with Ramsey, but in this instance I don’t MMA is contested under specific rules. Timed rounds, rest intervals, prohibition of: eye gouging, fish hooking, kicks to grounded opponent etc. MMA is still a game with rules. Damage can easily result in BJJ matches. TJ Grants career ended from a BJJ related concussion. Rousimar Palhares can do damage in grappling matches. By this criteria, only a street fight is a fight. An mma fight can be won without damage inflicted, and a grappling match can still result in inflicted damage
Street fights are the worst garbage excuses for a fight there is. It’s two unathetic guys who don’t know anything about hand to hand combat yelling at each other, then pushing, the. Throwing haymakers, then grabbing each other in school yard bully headlocks, then rolling on the floor till their friends pull them apart. Also, heel hooks are illegal in IBJJF- you’ll be instantly DQ’d at all levels. Damage can result from playing basketball- that doesn’t make it a fight either.
Ramsey Dewey a fight as defined in the dictionary is: a violent confrontation or struggle. Plenty of people have died in unarmed street fights. Far more than combat sports. It’s all semantics at this point as to what we individually deem to be a fight then. Gordon Ryan can end violent confrontations without throwing a single strike. I’ve used 10+ years of grappling experience in my career to defeat people that were throwing strikes at me. Whatever floats your boat 🤙🏻
@@hms_thunderchild5456 well yes, u used that experience to submit ppl without striking when ppl were allowed to strike u n damage u. Thats was ur choice. In grappling such damages are seen as freak accidents or are just rare occasions where someone didnt tap. If someone tapped n palhares didnt let go and caused damage,thats illegal. In other words grappling tournaments are a game where damage is not encouraged, boxing mma or whatever is full contact and damage is encouraged. I call it a fight with rules but grappling is still a game that 99% of the time u can go home after a loss without a scratch. U can still use what u learned in a fight, but the act of competing in bjj is "point fighting" at best
Ramsey my friend I have sub to the channel over the past month and have been watching a great many of your videos along with other channels such as chewy’s, The Gracies, and Kama. I just wanted to say thank you for all the inspirational speeches and coaching that you do in your videos and I’m happy to say I finally found a BJJ gym that I can at least realistically travel to finally and will begin my white belt training next week. So again thank you for all your coaching and inspirational videos my friend oh and thanks for always keeping it real!
Ive been saying this for years... You train for your sport, y fight like you train... If you pull guard and go for an armbar and hope the guy taps... over and over again... When you get in a street fight you may try to do the same... And when the other guy doesnt tap you will realise you have to either snap his arm off or try to go for a choke... Btw, chokes>locks for self defense... But punching>grappling... knock them out and run away!
As someone who have been practicing kempo karate, kickboxing and kyokushin karate and have just recently tried Jiu Jitsu I see why it is called a game / sport. This is awesome. In my humble personal opinion it is a safe way to gain extremely valuable fighting skills. If you have experience in stand up fighting and the psychological preparedness then chances are you will either be able to avoid a dangerous situation or defend yourself with relative confidence. :) I love that I was able to get ahead despite being a newbie because I embraced the relaxed, playful mindset, thus could practically lure my training partner. It also shocked me how helpless I was with my 15+ years of martial arts experience and extreme (compared to average humans) strength on the ground. I have fallen in love with Jiu Jitsu and despite being 38 I am all in! :)
My introduction to bjj came after high school wrestling Before mma was popular. My buddy got into it after we graduated because he missed competing as did I. I remember he said it was like Brazilian style wrestling.
Thank god someone authoritative is saying it. If you dont have a big enough voice and you say this the sport jiu jitsu cultists will crucify you. I love my gym but they only do gi jiu jitsu geared towards competitions and it shows when I train no gi with strikes with people from other gyms. I spent almost the entirety of my first fight on my back submission hunting when I should have been trying to stand back up and as a result I got smashed for 3 rounds. Jiu jitsu cultists can be the worst sometimes. Plus with all the rule changes in the ibjjf and some other tournaments you're seeing the watering down of what was supposed to be a self defense art. Its sad.
I've been doing BJJ for 7 plus years and I TOTALLY agree. I think people sometimes don't realize that there is a difference between competition and street applicable bjj. Not that tourney stuff is wrong because I believe you can learn something from every situation your in. I have DEFINITELY learned holes in my bjj for tourneys. Our instructor will say something along the lines of "This is good for tournament bjj but I would advise against this in the street because it makes me vulnerable to strikes", or "In this situation in the street I have to account for his arms and try to tie them up." On a side note I LOVE how you stop sometimes, take a breath and recollect your thoughts. Love the videos. Love the insight. We only get better through discussion.
I took BJJ being 59 yrs old. Two months gave me 2x my strength and wind. I believe it also was better than my highschool wrestling. I agree its great for self defense and confidence.
This is a very good video. It is a very good response to a discussion that is, apparently, in every single martial art that has a big competion side but with a strict set of rules: Taekwondo(which I practice), Karate and now BJJ. My view is that there is no problem in the competition having a restricting set of rules, even if it "waters down" the art, for the objective is to test two practitioners for their determined set of skills related to the martial art. - In tkd, for example, if you look at the competitions hoping to se a "deadly fight" you will not give any credits to the players. But if you understand that it's a game of movement, flexibility and especially agility with your legs - with the objective of hitting a specific target with a specific part of your feet - it makes perfect sense. ALSO it's very fun to play. Funny that it's always the same argument: "The old school was real fighting!!!" - but if you ask them to try their real martial art in a MMA fight, they refuse because it's not "the martial way"
Question... Wich is harder? For a specialized fighter to learn and compete in something with less limitations? Or for a well rounded fighter to get used to a limited system? Like... Boxer becomes kick boxer vs kick bixer becomes boxer...
it's harder to get rid of habits and restrict to sth than add sth new, but it also depends. Straight boxer might find it strange to start to kick, when he's used to just box and it works for him and kick boxer might itch to kick in a boxing match, which will throw him off. In the end you fall to that you do/know the best
in fighting almost all is about patterns and rythm :) predicting enemy's pattern, breaking and changing ours, finging patterns that are most unpredictable or unknown for our enemy. Sometimes is just changing a stance or keeping a guard, sometimes attacking in a way that our opponent wouldn't think that we can attack like this. Works perfect for me and love to fight like that :D
Question for the Coach, in line with the things you said about martial arts at the end of the video... would you say that, in the modern day, the world's best MMA fighters are pound for pound the world's best martial artists? In the sense of being the most skilled at unarmed combat? If not, is "the world's best martial artists" a sensible thing to talk about at all? I don't mean in some kind of 36 Chambers of Shaolin, defeat-all-lesser-men sense, in case that needs to be said... but I'm curious what a world-class martial artist is today, and how many people could be said to belong in that category. Since unlike most other sports and fields of competition, belts, titles etc. are... not cheap, necessarily, but overall non-indicative. (After all, it takes a lot of different things other than fighting skill and knowledge to be a champion or a grandmaster, as you've talked about before.)
@@hailhydreigon2700 While true, soldiers are taught to kill which, according to those I know here in Australia, apparently doesn't translate well outside of the military where you have all these rules restricting what you can do as self defence. Here for example you can only use reasonable or proportional force which basically means, if you punch a guy too hard or break his arm, eliminating the threat, you're liable for jail time. Now imagine a soldier in that context, their entire toolkit is almost gone. Compared to untrained individuals though, they'd still destroy them.
@@hailhydreigon2700 The soldiers aren't killing people with their hands though. That would be silly when you have guns. Military hand-to-hand training basically is MMA though, sometimes with added focus on improvised weaponry. They literally hold military MMA, grappling, boxing, etc competitions you can watch on TH-cam. Several military men and women compete in UFC, Bellator, OneFC, etc too. There isn't some secret set of death techniques that only the military knows.
Ante Basic seeing as the best in today’s context would imply world wide. So you can remove Australia, South Africa, England and the other countries with silly selfdefence laws.
I say the same thing about BJJ players. I learned all my grappling from a MMA gym with MMA rules on mind. Training at BJJ schools who compete and focus on ibjjf competitions its always foreign to me that people will be comfortable staying in positions that would be detrimental in a real fight or that certain submissions just arent allowed but how some players think that it is a direct translation to fighting. I had a bjj gym I wanted to try out after not training for a year due to an injury and explained I had MMA experience but only a few months of training in the gi. The instructor pulled me aside after the lesson before people were able to roll to assess my skill level and after a bit of stand up grappling he swept me and got me in a choke using my gi. When we reset he stayed seated and tried to play open guard and not thinking about it I got him in a toe hold. After tapping I released and he immediately heel hooked me, held it after the tap, then proceeded to lecture me about how ankle and leg locks are disrespectful and thats how you can turn a roll into a street fight. Ended up not going back cause that same gym didnt allow white belts to roll and they had a very large framed photo of a gracie member that taught the owner of the gym and said instructor and would have to bow out individually and take a group photo with said portrait after each class which was weird.
You are spot on here, sir. I love Jiu Jitsu. Have even gotten pretty good at it. But i know the difference between what i will do on the mat (rules), vs what i will do in a bar (rules? HA!). There is a *difference* in the teaching of fight vs sport. Try doing a flying-inverted-arm-bar in a crowded bar, next Friday night.
I vehemently disagree with the definition of fighter vs player. In the football world cup, on average 1.5 players get injured per game, out of about 25 players playing. An athlete in ANY sport is a 'player'. Fighters fight without structure, without rules. If you have a referee in the ring, you're playing a game, not fightng a fight.
Yeah probably more people get more hurt badly playing football than in boxing. However, in theory at least you aren't supposed to be *trying* to hurt other people when you play football. It's just a hazardous game where a lot of accidents happen. While in boxing you are actually trying to hurt the other person, and get explicitly rewarded by the rules for doing so. So boxing is a fight, albeit a heavily controlled sort of fight.
@@ninjafruitchilled Depends on the type of football. There used to be common fights referred to as "Tactical Brawls" where the absolute plan was to damage a playmaker and put them out of the match, still exists in some football styles, definitely still exists in ice hockey.
My room mate has a blue belt in BJJ and likes to say that rolling is a lot like mental chess. He says he likes it because often, skills being somewhat even, the smartest person wins.
Hey ransey! :) Im a right handed southpaw. Iam that because im super uncomfortable as a orthodox. I need help with my kicking game. My boxing is pretty good but when people kick me in sparring i want to kick back but i really have no power in my back leg. I usually just front kick to the body.
@6:11 -- YES YES YES PREACH. (Yeah, I know this is an old one, but for some reason it just hit my feed.) Constraints *support.* And the contrary, supports constrain. I still remember taking my savate glove tests with guest fighters: I was under the "Assaut" ruleset (very limited repertoire of ring-legal kicks and no giving the opponent any power, on pain of potentially failing the test), while my guest opponents, usually kempo and sambo guys but occasionally a jiu-jutsu/hsing-i prison guard whose RNC skills were the stuff of absolute nightmares, once a TKD Olympian with a side-kick that blue-shifted light itself, could do pretty much whatever they wanted to. Having to figure out how to play space time, and angle to at minimum survive my rounds, and preferably WIN them with that very serious constraint, taught me more than any amount of "do whatever you want" smash-and-crash.
What would be your opinion on modern BJJ organizations that have embraced sub-only (all submissions) matches or Eddie Bravo’s combat jiu jitsu tournament? I think the sub- only jiu jitsu approach involves a higher level of risk on the practitioners.
What are your thoughts on BANG Muay Thai? I’m looking to get back into martial arts. I left Taekwondo around age 11. I’m 24 now, and it’s safe to say my interest has shifted to Muay Thai. One of the top rated and more affordable gyms in my area teaches BANG Muay Thai. I’ve heard mixed opinions on it, and wonder what your take is on BANG Muay Thai. Thanks in advance!
Hi Ramsey. Thanks for this as well as the other great videos! You always have an interesting take on your subjects. I do have a question for you as I’m planning on beginning training later this year. Do you have any recommendations for finding a good MMA gym? Thanks again.
I always tell my kids to learn the mental aspects of the Art and embrace the competitive sport behind it. They also do wrestling, judo etc. With self defense and competition set aside, even just the training is something valuable the kids will bring with them into adulthood.
What’s the best things to learn for mma and the street? Like I favor striking a lot more and jiu-jitsu is fine but not my favorite but I understand that I need to learn how to fight on the ground. But i want to learn jiu-jitsu for the street and maybe fucking around in mma. Pretty much what I’m saying is I don’t wanna learn jiu jitsu for jiu-jitsu, I want to learn jiu-jitsu for the street but not to sure where to start because almost everyone is traditional with a gi
I mean. It's true. A fight includes *both* grappling *and* striking. It also may have weapons, or more than 2 people, and one or more of those people may also want to kill you. Let it also be known that nothing I just mentioned is always necessarily true, either. Fighting is not simple except when it is.
And even then, whew boy. It's complicated for the guys doing it. The king never rests, and funnily , trained guys do better when turning off their mind
As a bujinkan practitioner who was recently offended (not by Ramsey) i understand if BJJ guys get upset, But ultimately i feel like when you talk about different arts you are very respectful. You dont have to agree but i appreciate the respect reguardless. Good talk coach!
Depends on how you play the game. Some boxers go out there to score points and win rounds, and some fighters go out there to fight. There are grappling matches I would even consider “fights”, even without striking. Not most, but some. Some competitors bring a certain level of intensity that defies the institution of sporting events.
Hey Ramsey, i am very interested in learning MMA so i can get a better understanding of the sport i am watching and a greater appreciation for what these athletes do, also being able to protect myself or loved ones is a plus. well i am looking into joining an MMA gym in the area to do just that. the problem is there are none close enough for me to go to on a regular basis. however there is a BJJ gym that is really really solid close in my area and they offer no-gi lasses 3 times a week. I was wondering if this would be a waste of time doing if i want to learn MMA considering that not all no-gi moves transition into mma because of the striking and need for protecting oneself of that. additionally i found a good deal for the first month with them to take unlimited classes and was wondering as a beginner should i take all those gi classes offered to me to get more mat time in even though the gi even more so doesn't transition into MMA? i figure that i should just go to both so i could get more mat time in but i dont want to waste my time if its not going to help my journey in learning mma. any suggestions would be greatly appreciated~
I'm not Ramsey and neither am I an expert but in my experience training in the gi is no waste of time. If I may interpret what Ramsey said in this very video: limitations (in this case of your movement through the clothing) help you to get an other perspective. Also, in the beginning the most important thing is to adapt to grappling in general and for this it does not matter what you wear. Just try it all out and you may even stick with the gi.
You talked about changing the body composition. What exactly did you mean by that, how do you do that and could you give an example for the scructure and steps that are neccessary?
Not related at all but in an older video you said to save the chambered roundhouse for the head. Im just asking what about body shots in karate we used to snap kick the body all the time
Your comparison to dancing and MMA reminds me a lot of why I think Devil May Cry is the best video game along with how to get good at it. People generally think games with less moves and more restrictions are better because the challenge is instantly shown. To me I don't consider that a challenge because I don't think that much and I'm only tested on patience. Yeah I could easily sit there for an hour and not lose a game but that's super boring if I'll never get to expand my capabilities. The reason I love DMC so much is because it allows for that expansion. Often I'll see people online asking how to get good at the game. What I'll always tell them is to focus on one strict toolset built off what they like doing and from there add different things to it before restricting yourself to things you're not familiar with. In my experience I'll be familiar with one way to fight and decimate most things but my unfamiliarity will force me to slow down and learn the effectiveness of certain moves. Additionally I'll have to relearn certain techniques which may function very differently from move to move.
I understand why people say it's not a fight, cause there are no strikes involved but even in a real fight as soon as you take the person down the strikes are not always necessary and u can put the person to sleep and or break a limb without throwing a single strike, there are examples of this even in mma where the fighter was taken down and dubbed in seconds, or just look at Matt Serra restaurant fight or Ryan hall restaurant fight but also professionally.
@Ramsey Dewey Ik this doesn't particular apply to most BJJ but what about throws? As in if you get hurt by a slam from the ground hitting you, haha in a sense. Would that make Judoka/Wrestlers fighters?
Also do you think bjj guys should add some catch wrestling to their game I feel like basic freestyle and Greco Roman wrestling is crucial for bjj gi and no gi
Listening to this makes me think of the fact that I'm in my 50s, and just train in Chinese martial arts on the bags, doing forearm conditioning with my partners, doing forms, groundwork, and I have absolutely ZERO interest in fighting. I haven't been in a match in 20 years, and don't miss it one bit. Other folks love the combat, but it is so not me.
In my country I found a Brazilian trainer that teaches both bjj and gjj he said that he also know judo and wrestling too. So I only cared about learned gjj and judo. And I keep getting hyped that after quarantine and COVID-19 criss I would go train with him. Well you as an mma expect and tried many martial arts, you mentioned in many video about the negatives of bjj or gjj...well is there any positives about bjj or gjj. Kinda interesting to know.👍
Hello coach!!! I would love to hear your opinion on bjj vs luta livre? Is there a place in mma world today for luta livre? Also under vale tudo rules, which of the above would be more beneficial, considering except everything else the no time limit ? Thanks!
I'm a big guy and so people always go 100% on the mats, I often have to tell them we're not fighting we are playing jiu jitsu. At tournaments I've tried to get my team mates to say matches not fights. I'm not fighting anyone but i understand qhy when it feels like life or death it seems like a fight. I'm a little late to this video but I enjoyed this look at our culture. Good stuff as always. Learning ballroom dance was the best thing my wife and I did.
More seriously than my previous comment, your modern arhythmic dance makes me liken the struggle and ingenuity of Ornette Coleman as a jazz artist to the modern mixed martial artist. The structure is broad, but it is established and clear, and the freedom of interpretation is limited only to what is seen to work within that steady flow of time and movement that moves freely - not free of structure, but free of your preconceptions of what structure is. In improvisition is that free musical style, time is the opponent that you square off against, and it does nit lie and it is not nice to you and it pulls no punches. Freest possible form is truest adversary. Interesting idea for modern martial purists.
Truly that goes for all combat sports, after all they are sports. More people are severely injured playing football every year than doing combat sports but that doesn't make football into a "fight" either. Just because there's a likelihood of injury and is a physical competition doesn't make it a "fight".
Enjoy hearing about your dance background and how it relates to martial arts. Would appreciate more vids on this topic. Wax philosophical as long as you want. I'm interested.
I'd say it depends. E.g. karate point sparring is a game (I even read once in a book by the master Gogen Yamaguchi where he explicitly calls it a game), but that doesn't mean that karate itself is a game. Karate is about fighting. Point sparring is just a game that is a kind of off-shoot of karate, that can be a useful training tool, though some schools definitely get too caught up in it and basically only train for the game. I'd say BJJ is the same, BJJ isn't a game, it is a martial art, but BJJ point matches are games. So martial artists can be both practicioners and players.
Thank you Ramsey. Great thoughts and a Solid argument. I disagree however with your definition (hurting eachother= fight). I consider MMA a match/game as I do the bjj grappling ( and as you said: nothing wrong with that) Did you watch Baki? The anime. I think it says it rather well. The rules, concept of fair game, even equipment and weight classes are all components of sport/games/play ect. Another reference I would like to make is Iain abernethy - and his thought on self-protection, street fighting and sport.
give bjj 20 more years and see how it will become watered down. - dont do (these) chokes, they are dangerous, someone died because of it 15 years ago. - no need for full combat, the moves will come naturally to you in a fight. - the great master sensei Garcia words of wisdom are important to memorize. - it's not about the fighting, but the community. and other stuf like that, that's what happens to all popular martial arts, some corporate guys change the rules and water them down after each accident, and pressure from Karens make new schools appear with (no potential harm) policy etc...
I enjoyed that, very thought invoking. Whenever I was asked why I referred to BJJ as a sport I just said it's because most of the students I've met refer to themselves as "Players" which I assumed was just a carry over from Judo where they also called themselves "Players" and what they practice as a "Sport". First day of Judo I referred to my classmates at "Judoka" and none of them were familiar with the expression, wonder what will happen when I call my BJJ classmates Jiujitsuka.
Or I suppose to make it short. I don't advise martial artists to pursue competition settings and I don't advise combat sports styles for use outside of that specific sport. (Pretty much wrestling will be useless In a boxing match and vice versa)
Its been said in the comments before, but I find it strange that they're called jiujitsu players as well. I wrestled all the way through 5 years of division 2 ncaa wreslting, including 4 years of highschool, 2 years of jr high, and 1 year of 6th grade "pee-wee" wrestling. Never were we called "players" even though typically wrestling isn't a fight, where your knee won't be reaped, you won't be punched in the face, etc. Wrestling is incredibly similar to bjj to the point where I don't even understand why there's any more of a distinction between bjj and folkstyle wrestling, than folkstyle and freestyle wrestling. Its simply just a different rule set. Wrestlers aren't fighters either, but they don't call them players. I genuinely don't understand why bjj refers to its athletes as players either. I understand not referring to them as fighters. I call my self a wrestler and a jiujitsuer: not a bjj player.
Just checking if I got the idea: IBJJF is kind of a WTF (World Taekwondo Federation) version of BJJ? Like, they made the rules to make it more "watchable" and less violent?
Hey ramsey, I plan on starting bjj after corona, is there anything I need to know? and after watching this video is bjj good for self-defence? I know bjj isn't very thing but I am afraid of brain damage, and martial arts journey says I wouldn't get brain damage doing bjj. I want to hear your opinion
Yo Ramsey I follow the teachings of Bruce Lee and believe it or not Jedis from star wars. I like following the route of the silent man but thing is in school if someone is talking trash is it wise to not say anything which is what I do now, I do not take action unless they touch me but when they talk about your mother and etc what would you do. Also thoughts on meditation, Thank You.
Probably also why capoeira is structured the way it is even though it's more strike oriented. Its practiced as a game than a fight, even though getting hit can and does happen.
@@fireeaglefitnessmartialart935 Capoeira as the martial art is taught differently now. If you see some older Capoeira videos, its basically Pride rules mma without a ring and it was brutal
@@grsimpson3957 I'm sure. I practice capoeira currently. Aside from my other classes. I think theres even a song about capoeira being brutal back in the day but more tame nowadays.
BJJ is my answer to not being able to play American football as an adult . Boxing was the first stop but fighting in the streets and playing center/linebacker ive taken enough hits to the head.
Hi Ramsey, people often say UFC is the be all and end of MMA competitions, that the best fighters of ONE FC and the like, cant hold a candle to the best fighters of UFC. How True do you think this is? I would think because the other promotions don't have such an emphasis on character building, acting and heels, and that UFC has one of the most limited rule sets, it wouldn't turn away as many good, but "boring" fighters, or is it because UFC pays the most, the best just naturally flow into UFC?
Your small segue into learning a lot about how to coach other combat sports from your friend Dan made me wonder... what is the best way to learn how to coach? It's just as much a skill as boxing is, so how do you do it? We'd never get better coaches if it was 100% all just imitating good caches in your past and intuition, so... how do you do it?
Those are the questions you have to find new answers for every day when you’re a coach! Pattern recognition is one of the most important talents a coach can have though: recognizing movement patterns, recognizing successful coaching patterns, recognizing patterns of behavior that lead to catastrophic failure, etc
Perhaps fencing is a more useful analogy. These are athletes in a sport trying to score points. It is based on combat but the lethality has been removed so it is no longer a fight, now it is a match.
Fencing is fun and it would at least be somewhat useful in a real fight, assuming you had a fairly long object like a stick to use in a fight however fencing has so many pointless rules that it ruins alot the effectiveness it would have in an actaul fight.
Olympic fencing yes, historical recreations or HEMA, they try to be as faithful to the art as possible ..... well minus stabbing each other with pointy stuff, lol
@@redcastlebowser4179 Olympic fencing was preaty much what I was talking about.
Not lethal? You know it can break bones fairly easy?
@@monkkenyon2539 I believe in 2/3 Olympic styles only thrusts are permitted and competitors wear protective gear.
Wrestling isn't a fight either but it's still an extremely valuable skill in fighting
It's sad. See your point but wrestling at least allows cross faces. Not jiu jitsu crossfaces I mean what essentially equates to a pseudo-punch. Many-a-noses have been broken in wrestling matches across the world.
Dewey already said that he has no doubt a skilled IBJJF 'player' could easily defeat and even kill another person, especially if that person doesn't know BJJ.
And yes, wrestlers are fucking dangerous also.
@@ChestGuyMGTOW By crossface, do you mean somesort of a neck crank like the cruficix neck crank? In IBJJF, neck cranks are allowed if they also include a choke, but yeah, pure neck cranks are not allowed.
Though you can apply a lot of pressure on someone's nose if you want.
@@ChestGuyMGTOW cross faces are allowed
but why the fuck would you try breaking someones nose using pressure
there's no point in that u don't get anything by doing that
and if the judge sees that you are trying to break something or just hurt your opponent on purpose he's going to DQ you
@@tzaeru lol no. Look up wrestling cross face
Agreed! Calling BJJ Competition a sport is correct. And no, it doesn't demean the art. :)
I tap boxed with my friends all my life through highschool and middle school. Both kids I went to school with and that I trained with and make no mistake it was a game. No one got knocked out, no one got hurt it was all points. It was fun, was it also a drill that made me a better boxer? Yes, but it was a game none the less.
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Hi Ramsey, thank you so much for answering my question now I understand why and it makes perfect sense. Also, I think almost died a fanboy when I heard you say my name lol
That's why I like how wrestlers refer to the sport. They ask "Are you wrestling this weekend?" "How'd your matches go?" In bjj they be like "won 3 fights for gold in my division today" all hugging eachother on the podium in their gis 😂
Would be weird to say "are you bjjaing this weekend?".
Lol
As a jiu jitsu player myself , I tend to call my self a player because for the most part in practice with my team mates we roll in a more playful manner not trying to kill or hurt each other . The atmosphere of a jiu jitsu gym for the most part is like this , we come to play and to learn but those who do not do it in a playful manner are dealt with quickly . It’s a game to us much like chess but I do know that that game could turn deadly at any moment.
hol up, where's the Dewey dance videos? How can we judge his value as a coach without seeing him dance arhythmically wilst level changing every time he lifts a leg?
He's posted some videos of him dancing. In fact, I think he has a playlist of some of his dancing.
It's less violent than monopoly...
I mean, Monopoly can end in senseless violence so most martial arts competitions are less violent than it :D
In Japan they call Judoka " judo players"
No disrespect just saying, they do.
Same with a karateka, I think for bjj it is just jiu-jitsuka
Using common form wouldn't 'practitioner' be the best translation?
Judoka = Judo Practitioner
Karateka = Karate Practitioner
Just curious.
My Slovakian judo coaches call judoka "judo players" as well. I think it's fair.
@@carlmanvers5009 no the japanese themselves say " judo player" when they say it in english , they just do though. To me its still the worlds deadliest martial art, osoto gari on concrete and hadaka jime will kill more effectively than all the fake bullshido in the world put together, I'm just saying it's the term they use in Japan.
Lbh it's just a word and label
I have been practicing bjj for a year, and I completely agree, and it's the same reason I compete under that rule set, I just dont like fighting. l :)
Never seen Kratos and Ramsey Dewey in the same place. Coincidence?
But seriously, thank you for the videos. I learn a little from you all the time.
Same as Chi Sau in Wing Chun, or Men Kiu in Siu Lam Kuen, the training exercises are more like a game than a fight. Ideally these partner exercises keeps everyone uninjured and progressing rather than hampering each others progress. One of my teachers I respect a lot says if you wanna learn how to fight then fight.
When I make it to a high level organization and can quit my job I’m going to come hang out and train with you guys regularly. You and the people you train with are great, and you’re very knowledgeable and skilled so I look forward to working with you in the future my friend! :)
I sense many jimmies being rustled in the near future
Can we see a dance breakdown??
I'm going to sign up for my first jiu jitsu class because of your channel. Thank you for making these videos
Learn judo first then bjj or do them both at the same time
"Everything that works is karate" - Tetsuhiko Asai.
Something that most karate has either missed, forgotten, or completely given up on
I normally agree with Ramsey, but in this instance I don’t
MMA is contested under specific rules. Timed rounds, rest intervals, prohibition of: eye gouging, fish hooking, kicks to grounded opponent etc. MMA is still a game with rules.
Damage can easily result in BJJ matches. TJ Grants career ended from a BJJ related concussion. Rousimar Palhares can do damage in grappling matches.
By this criteria, only a street fight is a fight. An mma fight can be won without damage inflicted, and a grappling match can still result in inflicted damage
cringelord yeah he said it’s about the damage. Doing damage.
A heel hook will 100% certifiably do long term damage instantly
Hence, my comment 🤷🏻♂️
cringelord only in the Gi
Street fights are the worst garbage excuses for a fight there is. It’s two unathetic guys who don’t know anything about hand to hand combat yelling at each other, then pushing, the. Throwing haymakers, then grabbing each other in school yard bully headlocks, then rolling on the floor till their friends pull them apart.
Also, heel hooks are illegal in IBJJF- you’ll be instantly DQ’d at all levels.
Damage can result from playing basketball- that doesn’t make it a fight either.
Ramsey Dewey a fight as defined in the dictionary is: a violent confrontation or struggle. Plenty of people have died in unarmed street fights. Far more than combat sports.
It’s all semantics at this point as to what we individually deem to be a fight then.
Gordon Ryan can end violent confrontations without throwing a single strike. I’ve used 10+ years of grappling experience in my career to defeat people that were throwing strikes at me.
Whatever floats your boat 🤙🏻
@@hms_thunderchild5456 well yes, u used that experience to submit ppl without striking when ppl were allowed to strike u n damage u. Thats was ur choice. In grappling such damages are seen as freak accidents or are just rare occasions where someone didnt tap. If someone tapped n palhares didnt let go and caused damage,thats illegal. In other words grappling tournaments are a game where damage is not encouraged, boxing mma or whatever is full contact and damage is encouraged. I call it a fight with rules but grappling is still a game that 99% of the time u can go home after a loss without a scratch. U can still use what u learned in a fight, but the act of competing in bjj is "point fighting" at best
Ramsey my friend I have sub to the channel over the past month and have been watching a great many of your videos along with other channels such as chewy’s, The Gracies, and Kama. I just wanted to say thank you for all the inspirational speeches and coaching that you do in your videos and I’m happy to say I finally found a BJJ gym that I can at least realistically travel to finally and will begin my white belt training next week. So again thank you for all your coaching and inspirational videos my friend oh and thanks for always keeping it real!
Ive been saying this for years... You train for your sport, y fight like you train... If you pull guard and go for an armbar and hope the guy taps... over and over again... When you get in a street fight you may try to do the same... And when the other guy doesnt tap you will realise you have to either snap his arm off or try to go for a choke...
Btw, chokes>locks for self defense... But punching>grappling... knock them out and run away!
As a lifelong martial artist and combat veteran, i find that to be a perfect answer.
@@dianecenteno5275 thanks
If he don't tap, he gon' crap
As someone who have been practicing kempo karate, kickboxing and kyokushin karate and have just recently tried Jiu Jitsu I see why it is called a game / sport. This is awesome. In my humble personal opinion it is a safe way to gain extremely valuable fighting skills. If you have experience in stand up fighting and the psychological preparedness then chances are you will either be able to avoid a dangerous situation or defend yourself with relative confidence. :) I love that I was able to get ahead despite being a newbie because I embraced the relaxed, playful mindset, thus could practically lure my training partner. It also shocked me how helpless I was with my 15+ years of martial arts experience and extreme (compared to average humans) strength on the ground. I have fallen in love with Jiu Jitsu and despite being 38 I am all in! :)
My introduction to bjj came after high school wrestling Before mma was popular. My buddy got into it after we graduated because he missed competing as did I. I remember he said it was like Brazilian style wrestling.
Thank god someone authoritative is saying it. If you dont have a big enough voice and you say this the sport jiu jitsu cultists will crucify you. I love my gym but they only do gi jiu jitsu geared towards competitions and it shows when I train no gi with strikes with people from other gyms. I spent almost the entirety of my first fight on my back submission hunting when I should have been trying to stand back up and as a result I got smashed for 3 rounds. Jiu jitsu cultists can be the worst sometimes. Plus with all the rule changes in the ibjjf and some other tournaments you're seeing the watering down of what was supposed to be a self defense art. Its sad.
I've been doing BJJ for 7 plus years and I TOTALLY agree. I think people sometimes don't realize that there is a difference between competition and street applicable bjj. Not that tourney stuff is wrong because I believe you can learn something from every situation your in. I have DEFINITELY learned holes in my bjj for tourneys. Our instructor will say something along the lines of "This is good for tournament bjj but I would advise against this in the street because it makes me vulnerable to strikes", or "In this situation in the street I have to account for his arms and try to tie them up." On a side note I LOVE how you stop sometimes, take a breath and recollect your thoughts. Love the videos. Love the insight. We only get better through discussion.
I took BJJ being 59 yrs old. Two months gave me 2x my strength and wind. I believe it also was better than my highschool wrestling. I agree its great for self defense and confidence.
Same could be said of all combat sport. It is a game/sport.
This is a very good video. It is a very good response to a discussion that is, apparently, in every single martial art that has a big competion side but with a strict set of rules: Taekwondo(which I practice), Karate and now BJJ.
My view is that there is no problem in the competition having a restricting set of rules, even if it "waters down" the art, for the objective is to test two practitioners for their determined set of skills related to the martial art. - In tkd, for example, if you look at the competitions hoping to se a "deadly fight" you will not give any credits to the players. But if you understand that it's a game of movement, flexibility and especially agility with your legs - with the objective of hitting a specific target with a specific part of your feet - it makes perfect sense. ALSO it's very fun to play.
Funny that it's always the same argument: "The old school was real fighting!!!" - but if you ask them to try their real martial art in a MMA fight, they refuse because it's not "the martial way"
MMA: Full contact avant-garde
Or Crossfit ;)
The point system is based off positions you can strike and beat them in mma
Being mount gaurd pass sweep knee on belly back control
Question... Wich is harder? For a specialized fighter to learn and compete in something with less limitations? Or for a well rounded fighter to get used to a limited system? Like... Boxer becomes kick boxer vs kick bixer becomes boxer...
it's harder to get rid of habits and restrict to sth than add sth new, but it also depends. Straight boxer might find it strange to start to kick, when he's used to just box and it works for him and kick boxer might itch to kick in a boxing match, which will throw him off. In the end you fall to that you do/know the best
in fighting almost all is about patterns and rythm :) predicting enemy's pattern, breaking and changing ours, finging patterns that are most unpredictable or unknown for our enemy. Sometimes is just changing a stance or keeping a guard, sometimes attacking in a way that our opponent wouldn't think that we can attack like this. Works perfect for me and love to fight like that :D
Always great advice, commentary, and laughs from Ramsey.
Question for the Coach, in line with the things you said about martial arts at the end of the video... would you say that, in the modern day, the world's best MMA fighters are pound for pound the world's best martial artists? In the sense of being the most skilled at unarmed combat? If not, is "the world's best martial artists" a sensible thing to talk about at all? I don't mean in some kind of 36 Chambers of Shaolin, defeat-all-lesser-men sense, in case that needs to be said... but I'm curious what a world-class martial artist is today, and how many people could be said to belong in that category. Since unlike most other sports and fields of competition, belts, titles etc. are... not cheap, necessarily, but overall non-indicative. (After all, it takes a lot of different things other than fighting skill and knowledge to be a champion or a grandmaster, as you've talked about before.)
I think the best martial artists are probably Soldiers that have actually killed people.
That's as "Martial" as you can get.
@@hailhydreigon2700 While true, soldiers are taught to kill which, according to those I know here in Australia, apparently doesn't translate well outside of the military where you have all these rules restricting what you can do as self defence. Here for example you can only use reasonable or proportional force which basically means, if you punch a guy too hard or break his arm, eliminating the threat, you're liable for jail time. Now imagine a soldier in that context, their entire toolkit is almost gone. Compared to untrained individuals though, they'd still destroy them.
@@hailhydreigon2700
The soldiers aren't killing people with their hands though. That would be silly when you have guns.
Military hand-to-hand training basically is MMA though, sometimes with added focus on improvised weaponry. They literally hold military MMA, grappling, boxing, etc competitions you can watch on TH-cam.
Several military men and women compete in UFC, Bellator, OneFC, etc too. There isn't some secret set of death techniques that only the military knows.
@@StyleTime Is shooting a gun not a Martial Art? Martial Arts through out the ages have been more about weapons combat than hand-to-hand.
Ante Basic seeing as the best in today’s context would imply world wide. So you can remove Australia, South Africa, England and the other countries with silly selfdefence laws.
I really appreciated the insight that your background in modern dance gives in terms of abstracting out movement patterns from rule sets.
I say the same thing about BJJ players. I learned all my grappling from a MMA gym with MMA rules on mind. Training at BJJ schools who compete and focus on ibjjf competitions its always foreign to me that people will be comfortable staying in positions that would be detrimental in a real fight or that certain submissions just arent allowed but how some players think that it is a direct translation to fighting.
I had a bjj gym I wanted to try out after not training for a year due to an injury and explained I had MMA experience but only a few months of training in the gi. The instructor pulled me aside after the lesson before people were able to roll to assess my skill level and after a bit of stand up grappling he swept me and got me in a choke using my gi. When we reset he stayed seated and tried to play open guard and not thinking about it I got him in a toe hold. After tapping I released and he immediately heel hooked me, held it after the tap, then proceeded to lecture me about how ankle and leg locks are disrespectful and thats how you can turn a roll into a street fight.
Ended up not going back cause that same gym didnt allow white belts to roll and they had a very large framed photo of a gracie member that taught the owner of the gym and said instructor and would have to bow out individually and take a group photo with said portrait after each class which was weird.
If a school doesn't allow leg locks and doesn't let white belts roll your better off going to another gym.
Bro. Go learn judo and stay away from some of these bjj schools
You are spot on here, sir. I love Jiu Jitsu. Have even gotten pretty good at it. But i know the difference between what i will do on the mat (rules), vs what i will do in a bar (rules? HA!). There is a *difference* in the teaching of fight vs sport. Try doing a flying-inverted-arm-bar in a crowded bar, next Friday night.
I vehemently disagree with the definition of fighter vs player. In the football world cup, on average 1.5 players get injured per game, out of about 25 players playing. An athlete in ANY sport is a 'player'. Fighters fight without structure, without rules. If you have a referee in the ring, you're playing a game, not fightng a fight.
I kind of agree. But not all fights are fisticuffs, nor is every game fight less
Yeah probably more people get more hurt badly playing football than in boxing. However, in theory at least you aren't supposed to be *trying* to hurt other people when you play football. It's just a hazardous game where a lot of accidents happen. While in boxing you are actually trying to hurt the other person, and get explicitly rewarded by the rules for doing so. So boxing is a fight, albeit a heavily controlled sort of fight.
@@ninjafruitchilled Depends on the type of football.
There used to be common fights referred to as "Tactical Brawls" where the absolute plan was to damage a playmaker and put them out of the match, still exists in some football styles, definitely still exists in ice hockey.
My room mate has a blue belt in BJJ and likes to say that rolling is a lot like mental chess. He says he likes it because often, skills being somewhat even, the smartest person wins.
Hey ransey! :)
Im a right handed southpaw. Iam that because im super uncomfortable as a orthodox.
I need help with my kicking game. My boxing is pretty good but when people kick me in sparring i want to kick back but i really have no power in my back leg. I usually just front kick to the body.
@6:11 -- YES YES YES PREACH.
(Yeah, I know this is an old one, but for some reason it just hit my feed.) Constraints *support.* And the contrary, supports constrain. I still remember taking my savate glove tests with guest fighters: I was under the "Assaut" ruleset (very limited repertoire of ring-legal kicks and no giving the opponent any power, on pain of potentially failing the test), while my guest opponents, usually kempo and sambo guys but occasionally a jiu-jutsu/hsing-i prison guard whose RNC skills were the stuff of absolute nightmares, once a TKD Olympian with a side-kick that blue-shifted light itself, could do pretty much whatever they wanted to.
Having to figure out how to play space time, and angle to at minimum survive my rounds, and preferably WIN them with that very serious constraint, taught me more than any amount of "do whatever you want" smash-and-crash.
You could just use "competitor" or "practitioner", which would be correct and sound less demeaning.
I don't know if Ramsey Dewey narrates audio books, but he should.
What would be your opinion on modern BJJ organizations that have embraced sub-only (all submissions) matches or Eddie Bravo’s combat jiu jitsu tournament? I think the sub- only jiu jitsu approach involves a higher level of risk on the practitioners.
Wouldn’t any point based combat sport be considered a “fighting game” as in, it’s combat, but it’s a game not a fight
I'm curious, would you also call someone competing in NAGA or ADCC rules a player as striking is also not allowed?
Just as boxing and Muay Thai are games because grappling isn't allowed
then a follow up qustion is, what do you think of CJJ(combat jiu jitsu) ? its ofc still without elbows but its a lot closer to MMA grapling
What are your thoughts on BANG Muay Thai?
I’m looking to get back into martial arts. I left Taekwondo around age 11. I’m 24 now, and it’s safe to say my interest has shifted to Muay Thai. One of the top rated and more affordable gyms in my area teaches BANG Muay Thai. I’ve heard mixed opinions on it, and wonder what your take is on BANG Muay Thai. Thanks in advance!
No idea what that is.
That would be a cool video. I’ve been in it for 3 years myself, love it.
recreational fighting is always a game
But recreational fighting is a form of fighting - it says so on the can
Hi Ramsey. Thanks for this as well as the other great videos! You always have an interesting take on your subjects. I do have a question for you as I’m planning on beginning training later this year. Do you have any recommendations for finding a good MMA gym? Thanks again.
Player is a common term for most sports.
I always tell my kids to learn the mental aspects of the Art and embrace the competitive sport behind it. They also do wrestling, judo etc. With self defense and competition set aside, even just the training is something valuable the kids will bring with them into adulthood.
What’s the best things to learn for mma and the street? Like I favor striking a lot more and jiu-jitsu is fine but not my favorite but I understand that I need to learn how to fight on the ground. But i want to learn jiu-jitsu for the street and maybe fucking around in mma. Pretty much what I’m saying is I don’t wanna learn jiu jitsu for jiu-jitsu, I want to learn jiu-jitsu for the street but not to sure where to start because almost everyone is traditional with a gi
With all of those wisdom's you should really keep the grey facial hairs
I think he should grow a bit of hair, and do the salt n pepper thing.
I haven’t been able to grow hair for 20 years.
@@RamseyDewey awwww. That sucks. Although the beard suits you.
Ramsey "Modern dance is the MMA of the dance world" Dewey.
I mean. It's true. A fight includes *both* grappling *and* striking. It also may have weapons, or more than 2 people, and one or more of those people may also want to kill you. Let it also be known that nothing I just mentioned is always necessarily true, either. Fighting is not simple except when it is.
And even then, whew boy. It's complicated for the guys doing it. The king never rests, and funnily , trained guys do better when turning off their mind
And biting and scratching lol
As a bujinkan practitioner who was recently offended (not by Ramsey) i understand if BJJ guys get upset, But ultimately i feel like when you talk about different arts you are very respectful. You dont have to agree but i appreciate the respect reguardless. Good talk coach!
Another cool video. Would you consider amateur boxers fighters? Or only professional ones?
Depends on how you play the game. Some boxers go out there to score points and win rounds, and some fighters go out there to fight.
There are grappling matches I would even consider “fights”, even without striking. Not most, but some. Some competitors bring a certain level of intensity that defies the institution of sporting events.
Hey Ramsey, i am very interested in learning MMA so i can get a better understanding of the sport i am watching and a greater appreciation for what these athletes do, also being able to protect myself or loved ones is a plus. well i am looking into joining an MMA gym in the area to do just that. the problem is there are none close enough for me to go to on a regular basis. however there is a BJJ gym that is really really solid close in my area and they offer no-gi lasses 3 times a week. I was wondering if this would be a waste of time doing if i want to learn MMA considering that not all no-gi moves transition into mma because of the striking and need for protecting oneself of that. additionally i found a good deal for the first month with them to take unlimited classes and was wondering as a beginner should i take all those gi classes offered to me to get more mat time in even though the gi even more so doesn't transition into MMA? i figure that i should just go to both so i could get more mat time in but i dont want to waste my time if its not going to help my journey in learning mma. any suggestions would be greatly appreciated~
I'm not Ramsey and neither am I an expert but in my experience training in the gi is no waste of time. If I may interpret what Ramsey said in this very video: limitations (in this case of your movement through the clothing) help you to get an other perspective. Also, in the beginning the most important thing is to adapt to grappling in general and for this it does not matter what you wear. Just try it all out and you may even stick with the gi.
Very cool to find out you have a dancing background. I do as well ballet and jazz... it has always helped me my martial evolution
You talked about changing the body composition. What exactly did you mean by that, how do you do that and could you give an example for the scructure and steps that are neccessary?
Put simply: Grow your muscles.
@@RamseyDewey hahaha. thanks 😂
I'm gonna listen as I drive to bjj
Not related at all but in an older video you said to save the chambered roundhouse for the head. Im just asking what about body shots in karate we used to snap kick the body all the time
Your comparison to dancing and MMA reminds me a lot of why I think Devil May Cry is the best video game along with how to get good at it. People generally think games with less moves and more restrictions are better because the challenge is instantly shown. To me I don't consider that a challenge because I don't think that much and I'm only tested on patience.
Yeah I could easily sit there for an hour and not lose a game but that's super boring if I'll never get to expand my capabilities. The reason I love DMC so much is because it allows for that expansion.
Often I'll see people online asking how to get good at the game. What I'll always tell them is to focus on one strict toolset built off what they like doing and from there add different things to it before restricting yourself to things you're not familiar with. In my experience I'll be familiar with one way to fight and decimate most things but my unfamiliarity will force me to slow down and learn the effectiveness of certain moves. Additionally I'll have to relearn certain techniques which may function very differently from move to move.
This dude is like if vsauce were a bjj player
What is vsauce?
@@RamseyDewey Michael Stevens from the Vsauce channel. He looks like you and explains things like you. Look him up!
"Quit playing games . . . with my heart." - The Backstreet Boys.
I used to work at a gym where that song was always on repeat over the loudspeaker.
I understand why people say it's not a fight, cause there are no strikes involved but even in a real fight as soon as you take the person down the strikes are not always necessary and u can put the person to sleep and or break a limb without throwing a single strike, there are examples of this even in mma where the fighter was taken down and dubbed in seconds, or just look at Matt Serra restaurant fight or Ryan hall restaurant fight but also professionally.
@Ramsey Dewey Ik this doesn't particular apply to most BJJ but what about throws? As in if you get hurt by a slam from the ground hitting you, haha in a sense. Would that make Judoka/Wrestlers fighters?
Also do you think bjj guys should add some catch wrestling to their game I feel like basic freestyle and Greco Roman wrestling is crucial for bjj gi and no gi
Listening to this makes me think of the fact that I'm in my 50s, and just train in Chinese martial arts on the bags, doing forearm conditioning with my partners, doing forms, groundwork, and I have absolutely ZERO interest in fighting. I haven't been in a match in 20 years, and don't miss it one bit.
Other folks love the combat, but it is so not me.
In my country I found a Brazilian trainer that teaches both bjj and gjj he said that he also know judo and wrestling too. So I only cared about learned gjj and judo. And I keep getting hyped that after quarantine and COVID-19 criss I would go train with him.
Well you as an mma expect and tried many martial arts, you mentioned in many video about the negatives of bjj or gjj...well is there any positives about bjj or gjj. Kinda interesting to know.👍
I practice a Striking Game. It improves my striking for Street Fight or MMA situations, if those were to happen.
Hello coach!!! I would love to hear your opinion on bjj vs luta livre? Is there a place in mma world today for luta livre? Also under vale tudo rules, which of the above would be more beneficial, considering except everything else the no time limit ? Thanks!
I'm a big guy and so people always go 100% on the mats, I often have to tell them we're not fighting we are playing jiu jitsu. At tournaments I've tried to get my team mates to say matches not fights. I'm not fighting anyone but i understand qhy when it feels like life or death it seems like a fight. I'm a little late to this video but I enjoyed this look at our culture. Good stuff as always. Learning ballroom dance was the best thing my wife and I did.
More seriously than my previous comment, your modern arhythmic dance makes me liken the struggle and ingenuity of Ornette Coleman as a jazz artist to the modern mixed martial artist. The structure is broad, but it is established and clear, and the freedom of interpretation is limited only to what is seen to work within that steady flow of time and movement that moves freely - not free of structure, but free of your preconceptions of what structure is. In improvisition is that free musical style, time is the opponent that you square off against, and it does nit lie and it is not nice to you and it pulls no punches. Freest possible form is truest adversary.
Interesting idea for modern martial purists.
My sister was a ballet dancer turning modern dance then TCM. Modern dancers are some of the fittest people on earth.
what are the foundation technics of grappling?
Probably clinching, takedowns, pins, scrambles and submissions
Which lightning do you use? It looks great.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Does Ramsey look like the male monk character from Diablo 3 or not?
I learned martial translate into fighting. I love thoughts and being educated. Thank you sir.
Did you ever try martial arts tricking? Like the guy sin Martial Club? I think you would enjoy that. Dancing and martial arts put together
Truly that goes for all combat sports, after all they are sports. More people are severely injured playing football every year than doing combat sports but that doesn't make football into a "fight" either. Just because there's a likelihood of injury and is a physical competition doesn't make it a "fight".
Enjoy hearing about your dance background and how it relates to martial arts. Would appreciate more vids on this topic. Wax philosophical as long as you want. I'm interested.
I'm curious, would you consider many of the martial arts that use a point system also a game with players?
I'd say it depends. E.g. karate point sparring is a game (I even read once in a book by the master Gogen Yamaguchi where he explicitly calls it a game), but that doesn't mean that karate itself is a game. Karate is about fighting. Point sparring is just a game that is a kind of off-shoot of karate, that can be a useful training tool, though some schools definitely get too caught up in it and basically only train for the game. I'd say BJJ is the same, BJJ isn't a game, it is a martial art, but BJJ point matches are games. So martial artists can be both practicioners and players.
Thank you Ramsey. Great thoughts and a Solid argument. I disagree however with your definition (hurting eachother= fight).
I consider MMA a match/game as I do the bjj grappling ( and as you said: nothing wrong with that)
Did you watch Baki? The anime. I think it says it rather well.
The rules, concept of fair game, even equipment and weight classes are all components of sport/games/play ect.
Another reference I would like to make is Iain abernethy - and his thought on self-protection, street fighting and sport.
give bjj 20 more years and see how it will become watered down.
- dont do (these) chokes, they are dangerous, someone died because of it 15 years ago.
- no need for full combat, the moves will come naturally to you in a fight.
- the great master sensei Garcia words of wisdom are important to memorize.
- it's not about the fighting, but the community.
and other stuf like that, that's what happens to all popular martial arts, some corporate guys change the rules and water them down after each accident, and pressure from Karens make new schools appear with (no potential harm) policy etc...
I enjoyed that, very thought invoking.
Whenever I was asked why I referred to BJJ as a sport I just said it's because most of the students I've met refer to themselves as "Players" which I assumed was just a carry over from Judo where they also called themselves "Players" and what they practice as a "Sport".
First day of Judo I referred to my classmates at "Judoka" and none of them were familiar with the expression, wonder what will happen when I call my BJJ classmates Jiujitsuka.
Or I suppose to make it short. I don't advise martial artists to pursue competition settings and I don't advise combat sports styles for use outside of that specific sport. (Pretty much wrestling will be useless In a boxing match and vice versa)
Ramsey, is there any possible way that i can do martial arts such as bjj or wrestling without injury?
I used to think this as well but then Muay Thai and boxing would fall in the same category as simply games
Its been said in the comments before, but I find it strange that they're called jiujitsu players as well. I wrestled all the way through 5 years of division 2 ncaa wreslting, including 4 years of highschool, 2 years of jr high, and 1 year of 6th grade "pee-wee" wrestling. Never were we called "players" even though typically wrestling isn't a fight, where your knee won't be reaped, you won't be punched in the face, etc. Wrestling is incredibly similar to bjj to the point where I don't even understand why there's any more of a distinction between bjj and folkstyle wrestling, than folkstyle and freestyle wrestling. Its simply just a different rule set.
Wrestlers aren't fighters either, but they don't call them players.
I genuinely don't understand why bjj refers to its athletes as players either. I understand not referring to them as fighters. I call my self a wrestler and a jiujitsuer: not a bjj player.
Just checking if I got the idea:
IBJJF is kind of a WTF (World Taekwondo Federation) version of BJJ?
Like, they made the rules to make it more "watchable" and less violent?
Kind of- but in my opinion, the rules make it less watchable
Hey ramsey, I plan on starting bjj after corona, is there anything I need to know? and after watching this video is bjj good for self-defence? I know bjj isn't very thing but I am afraid of brain damage, and martial arts journey says I wouldn't get brain damage doing bjj. I want to hear your opinion
You’ll be fine! It’s all grappling. No one will hit you in the head in BJJ (not on purpose anyway!)
Yo Ramsey I follow the teachings of Bruce Lee and believe it or not Jedis from star wars. I like following the route of the silent man but thing is in school if someone is talking trash is it wise to not say anything which is what I do now, I do not take action unless they touch me but when they talk about your mother and etc what would you do. Also thoughts on meditation, Thank You.
The IBJJF rules are so specific cuz the Brazilians dont like to get hurt and lose 😂
Probably also why capoeira is structured the way it is even though it's more strike oriented. Its practiced as a game than a fight, even though getting hit can and does happen.
@@fireeaglefitnessmartialart935 Capoeira as the martial art is taught differently now. If you see some older Capoeira videos, its basically Pride rules mma without a ring and it was brutal
@@grsimpson3957 I'm sure. I practice capoeira currently. Aside from my other classes. I think theres even a song about capoeira being brutal back in the day but more tame nowadays.
BJJ is my answer to not being able to play American football as an adult . Boxing was the first stop but fighting in the streets and playing center/linebacker ive taken enough hits to the head.
Hi Ramsey, people often say UFC is the be all and end of MMA competitions, that the best fighters of ONE FC and the like, cant hold a candle to the best fighters of UFC. How True do you think this is? I would think because the other promotions don't have such an emphasis on character building, acting and heels, and that UFC has one of the most limited rule sets, it wouldn't turn away as many good, but "boring" fighters, or is it because UFC pays the most, the best just naturally flow into UFC?
Is catch wrestling match a fight then?
It should be
No. Best 2 out of three wins. Either by pin or submission.
@@RamseyDewey what makes catch wrestling a fight and BJJ a game?
Your small segue into learning a lot about how to coach other combat sports from your friend Dan made me wonder... what is the best way to learn how to coach? It's just as much a skill as boxing is, so how do you do it? We'd never get better coaches if it was 100% all just imitating good caches in your past and intuition, so... how do you do it?
Those are the questions you have to find new answers for every day when you’re a coach!
Pattern recognition is one of the most important talents a coach can have though: recognizing movement patterns, recognizing successful coaching patterns, recognizing patterns of behavior that lead to catastrophic failure, etc
You don't watch or enjoy Amercan football? Man, that must've been rough, growing up in Corn County, Idaho...