I have played every possible style over the last 30 years. Everyone has their favorites but over the last few years hybrid strategies that incorporate both sides or flow back and forth have done best by a HUGE margin.
after spending the last few years playing DGE style, I have also made the switch to hybrid and/or light strats that transition to dark side throughout the roll progression. Personally, the mindset and discipline that I developed while learning and playing DGE was the key for me to see the game differently and consistently win. Combining Charlie's DGE knowledge and Jacob's hybrid strats work well for me.....
I like this concept and gonna try it out tonite. Only thing I’m gonna do is hedge (lay 4 and $10 yo) on the come out until I’m on house money. Also one suggestion I think would work good is on first hit I would place $20 on the 4&10 instead of collecting. Then next hit instead of doing $20 field why not do $20 Horn. So u got the same remaining numbers (2,3,11,12) covered for same amount but get paid a lot more if any of them hit.. depending on how hot/cold the table is u can let it ride or pull down after 3-5 rolls? Let me know what u think or if im missing something. Thx you and love ur work
Adding the seven to the iron Cross is definitely a solid way to go. Also three hits and down is a great idea. Play the short game. Maybe throw up an ATS bet just in case of a lucky roll
I'm not a huge fan of either but it did seem to work out.. I'm going to roll it out a few more times and see how it holds up.. Heah I need to start implementing the ats.most people play it and it 100% affects your bankroll!
@markthepoint look at the strategy Waylon just posted a few days ago called the OG 410 strategy. It's badass. He does it with the 410 the 5'9 and the 6 8. I've watched Waylon for a long time and one thing he told me is don't fight the seven. I think what you're doing here is solid.
I use to play the iron cross until a friend of mine told me how much the field bet was robbing the odds on the 5,6 and 8. Also, you will eventually get killed on come out roll trying to establish the don't. Even more, when I've established my don't and go all the way across with place bets; it's shocking how often the point was hit on the first roll losing the don't?!
I totally agree. I'm personally not a fan of the iron Cross either... But adding a don't to the element makes it a little bit of a difference.. But your friend is 100% correct! He's a smart friend.
You got lucky on your come outs , I do like the don't pass line , but not the field bet with this because it's a one roll bet . Id rather get some if that on the hardways , personally maybe hedge them with your place bets .
You could just hop the 5 for $10($5 each) and it would essentially pay you $70 also($75 for the win - $5 on the other combo). The only drawback is that you lose the $10 on every non-5. But it saves you money on a short roll.
That's an option.. Infact Brian from @hawaiiancrapsshooters has a Very similar System called the Qtr pounder with EZ.. its very popular.. But Only a light side. and not a DO... Thanks for the tweak! I like the idea!👍🏼
The is the " IRON CRAPPER " strategy. It came out about 10 or 15 years ago. It's pretty good for a $20 or $40 win and leave. But like every strategy, it will break you.
This is a great strategy! One thing to consider is that your DP covers your bets so there's literally no reason to pull them down. The hits you'll get on the numbers you roll before the seven will still be profitable and you won't lose your initial bet.
If the point is on the 4/9/10, going $135 across is an option. Collect and press from there. Or bump up the 6/8 at $60 and $25 for the rest of the box that's not the point.
I play this very same strategy but I lay the 4 or 10 (whichever you prefer but not both) for double the Don't pass bet to hedge it on the come out roll. That way if 7 is rolled then no loss. Also bet the 11 and 12 for enough to cover the don't pass to hedge the come out as well. so as long as a 4 (or 10) isn't rolled on come out I'm good. We know a 4 or 10 is harder to hit than a 7. then you can choose to take down the lay bet.
also if you pull down your bets it doesn't hurt to place bet whatever the point is to match your don't pass bet. In your case place it with $200 and if 7 hits its a break even and if the point hits, it's profit
I play 4 times/wk...since 10 yrs...no dont!!! Risking 200$/dont...put it on iron cross instead...hit 3 times , off...bet on sharp shooters...known ones ,regular hot ones...
@@michelbissonnette8793 Thanks for the advice. if you are going to play consistently/ daily then, yes. 3 Hits and down.. No reason for a home run.. Slow and steady wins the race.
You're 100% right.. And I can imagine pulling those bets down the FOMO will set in! I'm going to play out another scenario, keeping the bets up there and see how it does as well.
@markthepoint ya I see the benefit of pulling them down it worked out more or less u got the 3 hits then a 7 but one of them u had miss out on a few hits before the 7. But I'm a more aggressive player and I would want to spared out and some combination of pressing and collecting
EXCELLENT strategy!!! Here is what I would change a little though: If the point is 6 or 8, I would go for a $100 profit with the Iron Cross and then take DOWN the Iron Cross and the field bet AND my $200 Don't Pass bet and just let the shooter either seven-out or make their point. I say this because 6 and 8 are still makeable points and I don't want to leave myself vulnerable to a $200 loss! For the OTHER points of 5,9, 4 and 10, I would STILL go for at LEAST $100 from the Iron Cross and once I make that, i personally would take EVERYTHING down - INCLUDING the $200 Don't Pass bet - but I would give YOU the option to either leave it up or take it down - the $200 Don't Pass bet. I feel that if I could make $100 doing this every time and do this at LEAST 5 times, I will make $500 and that is a GREAT win from a craps session!!!
Never take down a don't pass. Do a place bet if you want on the point, so you will win with the 7 or the point being rolled. If you have a $200 DP established in the 4 or 10 buy it for 125. If the 7 comes you win $75 while if the point rolls you'll win $50 minus the VIG. The 5 or 9 place for $150 the 6 or 8 $180. This way, you're going to profit no matter what rolls. I also like adding a hardway bet if it's a 4 or 10 $10 if it's a 6,8 $1 (again with the level of DP bet determining all the bets)
I have played every possible style over the last 30 years. Everyone has their favorites but over the last few years hybrid strategies that incorporate both sides or flow back and forth have done best by a HUGE margin.
I think you are on to something with this research...
after spending the last few years playing DGE style, I have also made the switch to hybrid and/or light strats that transition to dark side throughout the roll progression. Personally, the mindset and discipline that I developed while learning and playing DGE was the key for me to see the game differently and consistently win. Combining Charlie's DGE knowledge and Jacob's hybrid strats work well for me.....
I’d like to hear more about how you are playing please or if you can post the link to both of these styles of play you are talking about.
@@IMove2EarnMany of Waylon’s Way Craps videos incorporate this style.
Great roll out and strategy absolutely going to try it
Go for it! Let us know how it goes!
Love the strat!! I'm going to give it a try. Thanks!!!
@@toddrhoades9043 Thanks Todd!!! Let me know how it goes!👍🏼
Really interesting strategy, thank you! I might run this out on my next cruise using my freeplay on the DP
@@CatherineWheldon thank You! I appreciate the feedback!!! 👍🏼
I like this concept and gonna try it out tonite. Only thing I’m gonna do is hedge (lay 4 and $10 yo) on the come out until I’m on house money.
Also one suggestion I think would work good is on first hit I would place $20 on the 4&10 instead of collecting. Then next hit instead of doing $20 field why not do $20 Horn. So u got the same remaining numbers (2,3,11,12) covered for same amount but get paid a lot more if any of them hit..
depending on how hot/cold the table is u can let it ride or pull down after 3-5 rolls? Let me know what u think or if im missing something.
Thx you and love ur work
Let us know how it goes!!!
@@markthepoint will do. I’ll be at wildhorse casino in Pendleton Oregon. Have you ever been?
@@seatownfinest509 N sir. Vegas, and cruises are my main plays.
I love it. Good job.
I'm glad you like it👍🏼
Love it got to try
@@nodinmigizeealan thanks! Glad you like it! 👊🏼
I like this strategy. Well rolled out and great explanation
Thanks my Friend!!! I appreciate it!!
How would you do this strategy with a smaller bankroll ❓️
Just change the denomination or colors of the chips...you can go $25 DP and red chips for place bets..
Or even Bubble Reds and Whites. ($5,$1)
@markthepoint gotcha. Appreciate ya. Keep Going up✊🏼
@markthepoint 5 on the field❓️
Adding the seven to the iron Cross is definitely a solid way to go. Also three hits and down is a great idea. Play the short game. Maybe throw up an ATS bet just in case of a lucky roll
I'm not a huge fan of either but it did seem to work out.. I'm going to roll it out a few more times and see how it holds up.. Heah I need to start implementing the ats.most people play it and it 100% affects your bankroll!
@markthepoint look at the strategy Waylon just posted a few days ago called the OG 410 strategy. It's badass. He does it with the 410 the 5'9 and the 6 8. I've watched Waylon for a long time and one thing he told me is don't fight the seven. I think what you're doing here is solid.
I use to play the iron cross until a friend of mine told me how much the field bet was robbing the odds on the 5,6 and 8. Also, you will eventually get killed on come out roll trying to establish the don't. Even more, when I've established my don't and go all the way across with place bets; it's shocking how often the point was hit on the first roll losing the don't?!
I totally agree. I'm personally not a fan of the iron Cross either... But adding a don't to the element makes it a little bit of a difference.. But your friend is 100% correct! He's a smart friend.
You got lucky on your come outs , I do like the don't pass line , but not the field bet with this because it's a one roll bet .
Id rather get some if that on the hardways , personally maybe hedge them with your place bets .
I would hedge the Don't Pass with a No 4 Lay, Yo 11 on the Come out roll. If you lose the $200 DP on the Come Out Roll, it's an absolute Killer! 😮😮😮😮😮
It's an option.. How much would you place the lay bet for?
I like the hedge without the 11. Ladder up my losses by the base unit #.
I would only lay for the same amount of the DP.
Good thought!
You could just hop the 5 for $10($5 each) and it would essentially pay you $70 also($75 for the win - $5 on the other combo). The only drawback is that you lose the $10 on every non-5. But it saves you money on a short roll.
That's an option.. Infact Brian from @hawaiiancrapsshooters has a Very similar System called the Qtr pounder with EZ.. its very popular.. But Only a light side. and not a DO... Thanks for the tweak! I like the idea!👍🏼
You missed at least $20. Last roll with chips out was a 9. You paid the box number but not the field. :)
Yes! I didn't realize it until I started editing... Even more profit 😉🤣
If you place the other box numbers with two $20 field wins, you could transition to a $5 horn high yo
I like that option. at least until you get out of the hand. not bad! Thanks for the input!👉🏼
What would this be at a 15 table?
You can play this same concept with
$60 DP, $15 on 5, & $18 6&8 $10 Field
@markthepoint no, the field has to be $15
120 DP.. 25,30,30 and $15 field. Or just 100 dp for no profit on a seven.
@@TheBillkrauss valid point. I was trying to to level down. and forgot about $15 min.. 🤣😆
You got pretty lucky that you didn't have any BIG REDs on your come out rolls. Those are killer when playing this way. Good win though.
Thanks. but that's the advantage of playing the Dont.. On a 7 you break even or win if you've pulled your Bets down...
Thanks hope you enjoyed it!👍🏼
Not a bad strat, but it could have gone bad just as far very easily. I do like either a hedging strat or get-in-get-out strat.
Thanks my friend! Yes. every system is vulnerable to something.. And the dice Will eventually find the holes.
Wager Me This is an advocate of this style of play.
@@paulscutlassclassroom yes! Jacob is brilliant to the don't play!
The is the " IRON CRAPPER " strategy. It came out about 10 or 15 years ago. It's pretty good for a $20 or $40 win and leave. But like every strategy, it will break you.
@@LindaJohnson-u6b of course.. They all do.. I can agree with that.
This is a great strategy! One thing to consider is that your DP covers your bets so there's literally no reason to pull them down. The hits you'll get on the numbers you roll before the seven will still be profitable and you won't lose your initial bet.
Very true... It's definitely an option. I May roll it out that Way and compare.👍🏼
But you are STiLL VULNERABLE if the point HITS though!
@@JoeFerber yes Worst case scenario, Point hit, 7 out
Every craps strategy has a weakness. You're literally telling me "water is wet" or "the sky is blue".
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If the point is on the 4/9/10, going $135 across is an option. Collect and press from there. Or bump up the 6/8 at $60 and $25 for the rest of the box that's not the point.
Another great option. So many different variations which is why I love This game
@markthepoint 💯! Cover that box with a 3x 2/12 field hit. Boom!
I play this very same strategy but I lay the 4 or 10 (whichever you prefer but not both) for double the Don't pass bet to hedge it on the come out roll. That way if 7 is rolled then no loss. Also bet the 11 and 12 for enough to cover the don't pass to hedge the come out as well. so as long as a 4 (or 10) isn't rolled on come out I'm good. We know a 4 or 10 is harder to hit than a 7. then you can choose to take down the lay bet.
also if you pull down your bets it doesn't hurt to place bet whatever the point is to match your don't pass bet. In your case place it with $200 and if 7 hits its a break even and if the point hits, it's profit
Absolutely! The lay bets are a great come-out Bets to hedge the Come-out
I play 4 times/wk...since 10 yrs...no dont!!!
Risking 200$/dont...put it on iron cross instead...hit 3 times , off...bet on sharp shooters...known ones ,regular hot ones...
@@michelbissonnette8793 Thanks for the advice. if you are going to play consistently/ daily then, yes. 3 Hits and down.. No reason for a home run.. Slow and steady wins the race.
Lay 10 or 4
That's definitely an option. but with the DP I would Only Lay the 4/10 on the come-out. Personally
I'm not a fan of the 3 hits and pulling down cuz your covered from the DP so might as well play it out for when u get the longer rolls
You're 100% right.. And I can imagine pulling those bets down the FOMO will set in! I'm going to play out another scenario, keeping the bets up there and see how it does as well.
@markthepoint ya I see the benefit of pulling them down it worked out more or less u got the 3 hits then a 7 but one of them u had miss out on a few hits before the 7. But I'm a more aggressive player and I would want to spared out and some combination of pressing and collecting
Totally agree 👍🏼
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Thanks Glad you enjoyed it! ☝🏼
EXCELLENT strategy!!!
Here is what I would change a little though:
If the point is 6 or 8, I would go for a $100 profit with the Iron Cross and then take DOWN the Iron Cross and the field bet AND my $200 Don't Pass bet and just let the shooter either seven-out or make their point. I say this because 6 and 8 are still makeable points and I don't want to leave myself vulnerable to a $200 loss!
For the OTHER points of 5,9, 4 and 10, I would STILL go for at LEAST $100 from the Iron Cross and once I make that, i personally would take EVERYTHING down - INCLUDING the $200 Don't Pass bet - but I would give YOU the option to either leave it up or take it down - the $200 Don't Pass bet.
I feel that if I could make $100 doing this every time and do this at LEAST 5 times, I will make $500 and that is a GREAT win from a craps session!!!
Love the changes! Thanks for the input!! 👍🏼☝🏼
@@markthepoint Thanks Mark!
if your scared of finishing a DP when its favored why would you ever make the first roll on the DP when a huge dog? Dont bet scared
Never take down a don't pass. Do a place bet if you want on the point, so you will win with the 7 or the point being rolled. If you have a $200 DP established in the 4 or 10 buy it for 125. If the 7 comes you win $75 while if the point rolls you'll win $50 minus the VIG. The 5 or 9 place for $150 the 6 or 8 $180. This way, you're going to profit no matter what rolls. I also like adding a hardway bet if it's a 4 or 10 $10 if it's a 6,8 $1 (again with the level of DP bet determining all the bets)
@chiroyce72 MUY interesante!!!