Slickdraw won't make any difference if you are aiming perfectly, because all AA does is move your center pellet onto the center mass. The surrounding bullets have a fixed pattern. However, Slickdraw is much less forgiving for aiming off-target. At 5m away w/ Enhanced Slickdraw, you need to aim roughly 3 inches closer to the opponent's torso to get OHK, compared to non-Slickdraw. Also, you'll find that this is only true when ADSing. When hip-firing, the AA is so poor to begin with that the difference between Slickdraw and non-Slickdraw is negligible.
@@brendon2343 buddy literally did a video showing stationary targets and it being 8/20 off targets and 11/20 on targets. Without slick draw it’s 14/20 off targets which is nearly half as much, and even more than slick draw when it’s on target lol. On target no slick being 17/20 is goated for consistency. Especially when almost no targets are stationary and aiming is worse and you need the forgiveness. Go grind for a better roll slick ain’t it .
@@daythemilfslayer yes, if you assume guardians have the height of an average male; 5'9" or so. Test it out yourself in a private lobby if you are doubtful.
I’ve yet to get the roll I want with slickdraw but I’ve found threat detector to be more useful as it gives me info on my surroundings. Still want the roll as my eremite has enhanced slickdraw. Super fun gun btw highly recommend
Wow that's crazy! Yeah threat detector is superior. As an added bonus it also alerts you when enemies/players are close to you with the TDx1 pop up. Appreciate the time you took to test this ❤
As someone who has tried out a couple Compass Rose rolls with similar mags and barrels with high range, I found that Threat Detector + Snapshot was my preferred roll. I played with Threat Detector / Slickdraw + Opening Shot, but I either found Threat Detector alone was not to give me a quick enough swap to ADS or Slickdraw was far too quick for me to line up my shot. A high range with TD + Snapshot with Full Choke (the one that tightens the spread) was a weird middle-ground where I found my sweet spot. Honestly, my favorite benefit of Slickdraw on a shotgun is how the aiming reticle is more precise and it's easier to line up my shots on my PVE roll with Slickdraw + Trench Barrel / Incandescent.
I like threat detector over slickdraw because it can tell me how many people are around a corner. with clones and smokes being everywhere, it’s useful tech to know if I should peek with a primary or a shotty. also since I use gemini a ton, I use threat to consistently take away radar.
I personally never want to see threat 2x, because i take that information as i put myself in a bad position. But after seeing this, pick whichever you think feels fine to you
I'm curious if the testing would yield different results depending on targeting mods and targeting adjuster on the weapon. Cause if the difference could be made up by simply throwing on targeting adjuster instead of quick access sling (which would be much less necessary given slickdraw maxing your handling stat), then it'd be a no brainier. At least, I'd imagine adding AA should in some ways mitigate the effects of taking it away. Well done video, and still leaves the door open for further testing, which means more good content!
Using my Slick/Opening this weekend in Trials I kept leaving people 1 shot and was so disappointed with the C Rose so now Im back to Threat/Opening or my Matador
Get the point, but from a statistical point of view you’d really need to do hundred or thousands of tests to reduce error/outliers. The center mass shot results should balance out with additional tests. Love athresis
So MAVEN did a video on shotgun spread 2 years ago testing Full choke vs Smoothbore on a shotgun. Her finding is that full choke does make a difference in getting more consistent kills with a shotgun. I recommend you get full choke plus Slickdraw and opening shot. You’ll likely have more consistent kills with the shotgun verses rifle barrel. I have that roll (74 range but add 25 more range with OS for 99 range) and I do notice a tighter spread of the pellets on a wall when I shot into it compared to smoothbore. I recommend keep grinding for my roll bs rifle barrel for more consistent kills.
Imagine if last Word got a catalyst that's just Slickdraw? The whole design of the weapon is kinda reminiscent of the perk, at least in the sense where it performs REAAALLLYYY badly when you aim down sights. And so I figured that if any weapon perk would pair really well with Last Word, it would be Slick Draw- especially where it only had it's drawback active when you aim downsights
Dunno if it makes a difference I’m on controller but the slickdraw opening roll is insanely good to me. Used it non stop now in ascendant comp and flawless pool trials so against good players and just been super consistent. I use a targeting adjuster on the helmet and one on the shotgun itself since you don’t need QuickDraw and dunno if it offsets it but the thing has 91 aim assist so even if it takes away 10 or 15 or so it’s still really good.
Good on ya for mentioning this, it’s really hard to find TH-camrs who do their work properly. It’s crazy to think they give such strong opinions on balance while ignoring how the majority of the playerbase plays. It’s no wonder why the game is always in a state given how much Bungo listens to them..
@@Daltnixyeah thats the problem because you also need to remember that console players get extra aim assist apart from the aim assist of the weapon itself thats why every controller player who uses slickdraw ON A SHOTGUN and i am one of them we notice no downsides.
@@Lo54Lo only if you don’t reset your card after going flawless. So technically no just if you wanna keep grinding for adepts you will match players doing the same thing.
Slickdraw is much better for people who arent relying on their shotgun and instead need to always pull it out super fast in super close range engagements. If you rely on your shotgun as a primary kill grabber, then yeah, threat detector seems to make more sense. Im just not really trying to squeeze out 7m of range on my shotguns lately.
I honestly think this shotgun with Slickdraw just behaves differently on controller when compared to M&K. Slickdraw doesn't affect reticle friction on controller, so that slight drag helps you hit center mass. M&K doesn't have that, so it might wiff more. It's like how Mechabre is strangely good on controller when compared to other snipers. Some weapons just have the secret-sauce.
I'm M&K, and I suck in pvp. But Mechabre is insanely good in all content. Slickdraw's boost to handling is ok, however I wiff more at hippfire than I do with the same gun with any other perk. So for me Slickdraw just doesn't work on M&K. Maybe it'd be different on controller, but there's no way I can play pvp on controller, and get a kill with a gun!
9/10 I'm on Ophidians for endgame pvp. Slickdraw isn't particularly necessary for me. I have a smallbore, light mag, threat and opening, and a barrel shroud, accurized, slide and opening. Both with range masterworks. I'm more than happy with both of them.
Yea I’m running solar warlock this season. So threat detector on my someday with 87 base handling w ophids pretty much matches slickdraw. So I’ve managed to cope myself into not grinding bonfire
@@daythemilfslayer lmao I should but since the game refuses to give me a god roll rose I been running a godroll Slide/PI lunas and coped myself into thinking I’ll never use a kinetic HC again. You right tho 😮💨 but what if I wanna get it and get hoed and gotta wait a year now
I firmly believe that, although its harder to get, retold tale will always be the better option. 92 range with quickdraw and snapshot is just nuts. But i understand that people like opening shot and enhanced perks.
On a shotgun it’s amazing. I wasn’t a believer either til I tried it and got the roll. Thing feels incredible and I didn’t even notice any downsides at all just all positives.
@@Luketheduke12 yeah I’m weird anyway I like p motion more than threat on matador and I got like both god rolls. Threat is sick too tho I just think people don’t give p motion enough praise.
@@scottparrott5674 It's way less handling, that's why everyone wants TD. Td has 25 handling at 1x which is always active in shotgun range and a .9 animation multipler for ready, stow and ads. PM gives 20 handling at 2 stacks and only 10 at one and it has no multiplier, which makes a huge diffrence in swapping speeds. TD x2 is insane, 100 handling with a .81 multiplier.
Maybe this is placebo, or copium, but I also have a 5/5 slickdraw roll (mine is stability MW) and I found it to be inconsistent at times Then, I just had this idea: switch from Quick Access Sling to Targeting Adjuster I swear (again, this might be my brain fooling me) but no joke, it now feels like my matador, with the instant ready speed. I'm starting to feel it
I would imagine that controller players will enjoy slickdtaw more than mnk players. Due to stickyness of roller quickly aiming accurately is a lot easier than on mnk. I felt no difference from TD when on controller, after playing 10 min with slickdraw on mnk i deleted my roll directly and using threath detector ever since
What I've noticed about players who've said that they don't like slickdraw tend to be players who go for deep OHKs on full health players. While other players who do like it, tend to use it as a cleanup tool. I find myself in the latter pool since it helps increase my kill rate for all shotguns. Even in the tests showed, you yourself left the test dummy one shot for every case the gun didn't kill on it's own Clearly, slickdraw does indeed highlight the value of aim assist on shotguns and how it can impact the consistency and feel for players who want to achieve deep OHKs, but with other players, its beet in slot for swap cleanups. At the end of the day, to each their own, but I'm already 500 kills deep and this thing hasn't let me down yet so I think I'll keep using it
I think you’re right. one of my favorite parts of running sg is pushing the range as far as I can for absurd OHKs and compass rose just doesn’t do that for me
@@topoftheleaderboard yep which is why you need consistent shotguns like Someday and Matador. Aim assist determines bullet bending which has always affected the consistency of any weapon. Opening Shot is helpful for that exact reason. It's also why aggressive frames have fallen out of favor. They lack aim assist, range, AND handling so you have to pick 2 and drop one (with the only exception being Conditional Finality due to applying lethal status effects). If you don't have these things, you're just looking at a shotgun that can't win fights
Well I guess my Compass Rose is going into the vault then, I'll dust off the Matador. The consistency for a non slickdraw roll seems like a huge upside based on this test. And Matador has superior stats to CR for a TD/OS roll. 63 handling compared to 55 for CR.
4 bows, 5 armour pieces and maybe a shotty every 3rd run. Guardians who split up and dunk 1 of 3 lighters. Solstice is quickly killing my will to play.
I wonder if an older quickdraw + snap would be better than slickdraw + snap. I didnt think itd be work farming but seems like slickdraw might be a bit better once enhanced....Great informative vid fam
it’s best to always run a targeting/dex mod when you can, as these mods provide a handling scalar. for example, a compass rose with slickdraw(100 handling) has a .22 seconds ads speed. when you add a targeting mod the ads speed drops to 0.16 seconds. not a huge difference but it’s still helpful
Maybe people think slickdraw is goodif they are on controller since I imagine it’s easier to hit centre mass and slickdraw has no effect on reticle friction. On mnk it seems obvious to me that slickdraw is way worse than my threat detector roll
@@daythemilfslayer do a side by side comparison in D2 foundry. Matador has 3 more range and 8 more handling in its base stats. But I’ve been loving slickdraw myself. I was mostly just making a joke.
is that why I was like "WHAT is EVERYONE talking about?!" and "Maybe the aim assist cone that you lose from Slickdraw DOES matter" when I was able to get perfectly consistent kills with Threat Detector/Opening Shot whenever I heard complaints of how garbage and inconsistent the shotgun was by people who had Slickdraw/Opening Shot?!
Iam not finding slick draw that great compared to threat detector. Deleted 2 slickdraws (4/5 and what I thought was a 5/5) compass roses 3 days back because I wasent feeling them as good as my 3/5(smoothbore/light mag/threat detector/snap shot) rose. Haven't had a threat detector /open shot and settled with slickdraw /open shot because I thought no more solstice grind, fcuk I've another week of it now. Also like to share iam on controller... "👍"...
@@JohnSmith-dz6vjif you do the bounties that are the most expensive, like the ones that want you to do 300,000 nightfall points, do GM nightfall, do 3 dungeon encounters, do a raid, etc. you will definitely acquire some multi-perk guns. I can't recall if it's guaranteed that way, but I know those bounties increase the chances greatly compared to the easier bounties.
More testing done here than anywhere else I seen. 1. Seems there is some evidence to suggest AA matters on shotguns, at least while aiming, even on non-slugs. 2. How do people measure actions in frames? Is there a way to count them ingame?
@markallen4282 I just recorded myself switching between the guns, then but the records into an edit software. You can very easily see every frame with that. so then you just count how many there are.
Doesnt that inconsistency coming from gun itself? Wallah was talking about that last year and this year too. Me tho, Im a goober😂 I have threat detector and opening shot and its FUEGO 🔥🔥 if i get slickdraw god roll, i embrace it, my body is ready.
nice, I had gotten the barrel shroud, accurized rounds, threat detector, opening shot, w/ a handling masterwork roll, but was on the grind for a slickdraw god roll. I should just stop the grind and be content it sounds like. Do you think my roll should be equivalent to a matador 64 god roll, or it's possible that matador is more consistent in general even if using the same perks?
I set up matador and compass rose the exact same in d2 foundry based on my godroll matador I own, (smoothbore, assault mag, threat and opening with a range mw) and Matador has slightly better stats, and I mean slight. 3 extra range equaling out to about .09 extra meters of range, and a .02 faster draw speed. It’s so unnoticeably close that I don’t think it matters, but then you have to consider that compass rose can get enhanced perks. I’d be extremely happy with that rose if I were you
Also, if there’s anyone that wants to say anything about accurized btw it’s still only 3 points difference (97 to 100 vs 87 to 90) and it doesn’t matter much anyways bc of opening shot
Sorry but this is your experience, not mine. Matador always let me down cause I am a primmary challengue guy and at 58 handling with TD, cant count the amount of times the gun couldnt swap out fast enough. Specially against CF 95 handling (nowadays 80). I want to wins 1v1, not 2v1 ykwIm? This is not the case for Slickdraw. A perfect 5/5 can have 100 range which is 10 points more than Matador. My 5/5 Matador whifles a lot, so that is not the issue. A perfect Compass Rose with Nadir focus, target adj, and so, sits at 91 AA. The gun drops to 41 AA probably although spagueti code divides 3 instances AA, afecting centre pellet spread. If I have to chose between having 41 AA (same as mindbenders) or low Matador handling, I chose Slickdraw. The amount of times homies freaked out cause they cant compete against 100 handling from slickdraw, you should hear their voices raging. Is the perfect defensive tool, maping at distances my Matador never did. Console vs PC might be a thing for this gun. Edit: never did doubles or triple kills like with this gun, if I have 2 or 3 shots in store, it is over, you have slickdraw to counter me or you are basically dead
What happened here is a bunch of people changed "Slickdraw is good for certain builds" which is, yep, into "Slickdraw > Threat detector!" which is inaccurate. The way I see it, if im running stompees or something and I need that bump in handling, and I use Shotties at ape distance anyway defensively or offensively, I run my Slickdraw. But If I'm already running some kind of Handling like Spirit of/Ophidians, Thread of Ascent, whatever, then I don't need Slick and I'll just run my Threat Opening. all that said, Slick isn't bad. that's just inaccurate. But a thumb like that will get engagement, so that's fair.
How come everyone is so bent on threat detector anyway. I got 2 god roll matadors one with threat opening one with perpetual opening and I prefer the perpetual one. Free 20 handling for the whole game puts it at like 78 what else do you need. Not like extra handling going to do much if 2 or more enemies around to keep me alive anyways.
TD will always be active at shotty range and give more handling + animation speed compared to perpetual motion, thats it. You can settle for perpetual, but if you have TD why use one that doesnt improve the animation speed outside of handling?
@@Kahyos just prefer the constant uptime and shotgun not changing. Even when I’m just running around with it it keeps the same feel I prefer that. Plus 80 handling like you don’t need anymore anyway
@@scottparrott5674 Like I said, you can ooze out more frames with TD due to the animation boost, for some people that matters. Not saying you need it, destiny aint a competitive game anyways, just giving reasons why Perp was always a second choice for shotties. There were cases where I would lose perp motion cause I had to hug a corner and it may cost the match.
@@Kahyos Yeah I’m not saying threat is bad anyway it’s s tier. I just think p motion is too and extremely underrated and actually prefer it. Apples to oranges tho whateve.
The thing is threat detector only gives 25 at one stack and most rolls have really bad handling,my roll has 82 range snap slickdraw with either full choke or rifled barrel the only thing missing is the masterwork 😭😭😭😭 I don't like opening shot because if you have the max which is 94 range it's only a 10 cm difference between that and 100
It's possible Barrel length still affects weapons. I think when they fixed Chaperone's Panama Ravine ornament, they only fixed that single instance and and not Barrel length affecting guns as a whole but I could easily be wrong about that.
@@brucemarshall5681it’s a placebo. Full choke makes no difference on one hit kill range and only slightly helps with clean ups. For better one hit kill go for range.
Watch MAVENS video on full choke. It still makes a difference in consistent kills with a shotgun. All you have to do is shot a wall and you will notice a huge difference in the spread being tighter. I have the true Rose God roll with Full Choke and slickdraw and opening shot with accurized rounds. Its consistent.
The aim assist doesn't make a difference at all, I will agree with you that slick draw is bad on anything other than A shotgun(slugs suck with it). However on a normal shotgun, It's probably the best perk in destiny history that we've ever had, It's pre nerf quick draw, with snapshot, with even faster stow speed. It's literally goated.
Nice vid! I was wondering about this. Was hoping to get a double perk with both Slickdraw and Threat detector to test. I am STILL trying to get the god roll and I have been grinding the FUCK outta bash …gonna be very sad if I don’t get it🫤.
yeah same. I still haven't gotten even ONE threat opening shot roll. I have been none start farming and it still will not drop me one. Hopefully we can both get them!
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Slickdraw won't make any difference if you are aiming perfectly, because all AA does is move your center pellet onto the center mass. The surrounding bullets have a fixed pattern. However, Slickdraw is much less forgiving for aiming off-target. At 5m away w/ Enhanced Slickdraw, you need to aim roughly 3 inches closer to the opponent's torso to get OHK, compared to non-Slickdraw. Also, you'll find that this is only true when ADSing. When hip-firing, the AA is so poor to begin with that the difference between Slickdraw and non-Slickdraw is negligible.
You should be pinned
Cope
3 inches?😂stop making stuff up
@@brendon2343 buddy literally did a video showing stationary targets and it being 8/20 off targets and 11/20 on targets. Without slick draw it’s 14/20 off targets which is nearly half as much, and even more than slick draw when it’s on target lol. On target no slick being 17/20 is goated for consistency. Especially when almost no targets are stationary and aiming is worse and you need the forgiveness. Go grind for a better roll slick ain’t it .
@@daythemilfslayer yes, if you assume guardians have the height of an average male; 5'9" or so. Test it out yourself in a private lobby if you are doubtful.
the info that Threat Detector grants is always a welcome addition to gameplay
I, literally, havent wiffed once since i got the slickdraw roll. but im on pc and only use it point blank, for the most part
100%. I just said this above. Like, it's more consistent than my Matador which is crazy (I think it's cuz of the range).
I’ve yet to get the roll I want with slickdraw but I’ve found threat detector to be more useful as it gives me info on my surroundings. Still want the roll as my eremite has enhanced slickdraw. Super fun gun btw highly recommend
lets go shotgun testing!!!
can we get an in-depth tierlist for all good shotguns tested for hipfire and ADS?
Yes Please! Hipfire for sure!
I second this suggestion, to me this would be so watchable. Great share... "👍"...
My slickdraw opening shot is consistent and I believe 1v1 comes up way more often and that is why threat detector is less appealing for me.
Fax
Me effectively ignoring the whole debate as I have a 5/5 QS/SS roll on the reprised Retold Tale. 😏
Wow that's crazy! Yeah threat detector is superior. As an added bonus it also alerts you when enemies/players are close to you with the TDx1 pop up. Appreciate the time you took to test this ❤
As someone who has tried out a couple Compass Rose rolls with similar mags and barrels with high range, I found that Threat Detector + Snapshot was my preferred roll. I played with Threat Detector / Slickdraw + Opening Shot, but I either found Threat Detector alone was not to give me a quick enough swap to ADS or Slickdraw was far too quick for me to line up my shot. A high range with TD + Snapshot with Full Choke (the one that tightens the spread) was a weird middle-ground where I found my sweet spot.
Honestly, my favorite benefit of Slickdraw on a shotgun is how the aiming reticle is more precise and it's easier to line up my shots on my PVE roll with Slickdraw + Trench Barrel / Incandescent.
After trying a 5/5 slickdraw for 300 kills, I am back to my 5/5 retold. It draws just as fast without sacrificing consistency. Mnk
what’s your roll on retold?
I like threat detector over slickdraw because it can tell me how many people are around a corner. with clones and smokes being everywhere, it’s useful tech to know if I should peek with a primary or a shotty.
also since I use gemini a ton, I use threat to consistently take away radar.
I personally never want to see threat 2x, because i take that information as i put myself in a bad position. But after seeing this, pick whichever you think feels fine to you
I'm curious if the testing would yield different results depending on targeting mods and targeting adjuster on the weapon. Cause if the difference could be made up by simply throwing on targeting adjuster instead of quick access sling (which would be much less necessary given slickdraw maxing your handling stat), then it'd be a no brainier. At least, I'd imagine adding AA should in some ways mitigate the effects of taking it away. Well done video, and still leaves the door open for further testing, which means more good content!
Have been waiting for this video for weeks! Appreciate the info as always.
Using my Slick/Opening this weekend in Trials I kept leaving people 1 shot and was so disappointed with the C Rose so now Im back to Threat/Opening or my Matador
Get the point, but from a statistical point of view you’d really need to do hundred or thousands of tests to reduce error/outliers. The center mass shot results should balance out with additional tests. Love athresis
So MAVEN did a video on shotgun spread 2 years ago testing Full choke vs Smoothbore on a shotgun. Her finding is that full choke does make a difference in getting more consistent kills with a shotgun. I recommend you get full choke plus Slickdraw and opening shot. You’ll likely have more consistent kills with the shotgun verses rifle barrel. I have that roll (74 range but add 25 more range with OS for 99 range) and I do notice a tighter spread of the pellets on a wall when I shot into it compared to smoothbore. I recommend keep grinding for my roll bs rifle barrel for more consistent kills.
OS is 13 range on Specials i think.
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Enhanced os is 30 range on primaries but specials are half
Full choke was nerfed a while ago it’s not worth u only having 89 range with os cuz u gotta have at least 93 range to one shot kill at 7m
Really appreciate you doing these tests. Surprise no else has
6:36 that Blaykk Rage quitting lmao
Imagine if last Word got a catalyst that's just Slickdraw? The whole design of the weapon is kinda reminiscent of the perk, at least in the sense where it performs REAAALLLYYY badly when you aim down sights. And so I figured that if any weapon perk would pair really well with Last Word, it would be Slick Draw- especially where it only had it's drawback active when you aim downsights
Daltnix, you're the reason I love TH-cam
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Dunno if it makes a difference I’m on controller but the slickdraw opening roll is insanely good to me. Used it non stop now in ascendant comp and flawless pool trials so against good players and just been super consistent. I use a targeting adjuster on the helmet and one on the shotgun itself since you don’t need QuickDraw and dunno if it offsets it but the thing has 91 aim assist so even if it takes away 10 or 15 or so it’s still really good.
could be a mnk vs controller thing idk. I personally don't like it on mnk
Good on ya for mentioning this, it’s really hard to find TH-camrs who do their work properly. It’s crazy to think they give such strong opinions on balance while ignoring how the majority of the playerbase plays. It’s no wonder why the game is always in a state given how much Bungo listens to them..
@@Daltnixyeah thats the problem because you also need to remember that console players get extra aim assist apart from the aim assist of the weapon itself thats why every controller player who uses slickdraw ON A SHOTGUN and i am one of them we notice no downsides.
There is no flawless pool in trials anymore?
@@Lo54Lo only if you don’t reset your card after going flawless. So technically no just if you wanna keep grinding for adepts you will match players doing the same thing.
Slickdraw is much better for people who arent relying on their shotgun and instead need to always pull it out super fast in super close range engagements. If you rely on your shotgun as a primary kill grabber, then yeah, threat detector seems to make more sense. Im just not really trying to squeeze out 7m of range on my shotguns lately.
I honestly think this shotgun with Slickdraw just behaves differently on controller when compared to M&K. Slickdraw doesn't affect reticle friction on controller, so that slight drag helps you hit center mass. M&K doesn't have that, so it might wiff more. It's like how Mechabre is strangely good on controller when compared to other snipers. Some weapons just have the secret-sauce.
I'm M&K, and I suck in pvp. But Mechabre is insanely good in all content. Slickdraw's boost to handling is ok, however I wiff more at hippfire than I do with the same gun with any other perk. So for me Slickdraw just doesn't work on M&K. Maybe it'd be different on controller, but there's no way I can play pvp on controller, and get a kill with a gun!
9/10 I'm on Ophidians for endgame pvp. Slickdraw isn't particularly necessary for me. I have a smallbore, light mag, threat and opening, and a barrel shroud, accurized, slide and opening. Both with range masterworks. I'm more than happy with both of them.
Slickdraw should really have the same handling multiplier that x2 Threat Detector has if it's going to penalize your AA that much
Yea I’m running solar warlock this season. So threat detector on my someday with 87 base handling w ophids pretty much matches slickdraw. So I’ve managed to cope myself into not grinding bonfire
Someday is in the kinetic slot😂u need a shorty for the energy slot too, u should definitely grind bonfire before it’s gon
@@daythemilfslayer lmao I should but since the game refuses to give me a god roll rose I been running a godroll Slide/PI lunas and coped myself into thinking I’ll never use a kinetic HC again. You right tho 😮💨 but what if I wanna get it and get hoed and gotta wait a year now
Content creators have been shocked at aim assist perks being good for 7 years, now I guess we needed to learn taking away AA is bad.
I firmly believe that, although its harder to get, retold tale will always be the better option. 92 range with quickdraw and snapshot is just nuts. But i understand that people like opening shot and enhanced perks.
Nah u need at least 93 range to one shot at 7m
Just got my godroll after hours of farming and this pops up 💀
Blasphemy. Slickdraw is awesome. Enhanced slickdraw is beast mode
On a shotgun it’s amazing. I wasn’t a believer either til I tried it and got the roll. Thing feels incredible and I didn’t even notice any downsides at all just all positives.
Preference. I like threat detector more
@@Luketheduke12 yeah I’m weird anyway I like p motion more than threat on matador and I got like both god rolls. Threat is sick too tho I just think people don’t give p motion enough praise.
@@scottparrott5674 It's way less handling, that's why everyone wants TD. Td has 25 handling at 1x which is always active in shotgun range and a .9 animation multipler for ready, stow and ads. PM gives 20 handling at 2 stacks and only 10 at one and it has no multiplier, which makes a huge diffrence in swapping speeds. TD x2 is insane, 100 handling with a .81 multiplier.
Maybe this is placebo, or copium, but I also have a 5/5 slickdraw roll (mine is stability MW) and I found it to be inconsistent at times
Then, I just had this idea: switch from Quick Access Sling to Targeting Adjuster
I swear (again, this might be my brain fooling me) but no joke, it now feels like my matador, with the instant ready speed. I'm starting to feel it
I would imagine that controller players will enjoy slickdtaw more than mnk players. Due to stickyness of roller quickly aiming accurately is a lot easier than on mnk. I felt no difference from TD when on controller, after playing 10 min with slickdraw on mnk i deleted my roll directly and using threath detector ever since
What I've noticed about players who've said that they don't like slickdraw tend to be players who go for deep OHKs on full health players. While other players who do like it, tend to use it as a cleanup tool. I find myself in the latter pool since it helps increase my kill rate for all shotguns. Even in the tests showed, you yourself left the test dummy one shot for every case the gun didn't kill on it's own
Clearly, slickdraw does indeed highlight the value of aim assist on shotguns and how it can impact the consistency and feel for players who want to achieve deep OHKs, but with other players, its beet in slot for swap cleanups. At the end of the day, to each their own, but I'm already 500 kills deep and this thing hasn't let me down yet so I think I'll keep using it
I think you’re right. one of my favorite parts of running sg is pushing the range as far as I can for absurd OHKs and compass rose just doesn’t do that for me
@@topoftheleaderboard yep which is why you need consistent shotguns like Someday and Matador. Aim assist determines bullet bending which has always affected the consistency of any weapon. Opening Shot is helpful for that exact reason. It's also why aggressive frames have fallen out of favor. They lack aim assist, range, AND handling so you have to pick 2 and drop one (with the only exception being Conditional Finality due to applying lethal status effects). If you don't have these things, you're just looking at a shotgun that can't win fights
Well I guess my Compass Rose is going into the vault then, I'll dust off the Matador. The consistency for a non slickdraw roll seems like a huge upside based on this test. And Matador has superior stats to CR for a TD/OS roll. 63 handling compared to 55 for CR.
Hey, I played with you. I was on your team with two of my friends on Cathedral of Dusk, really unfortunately that we lost, but ggz.
4 bows, 5 armour pieces and maybe a shotty every 3rd run. Guardians who split up and dunk 1 of 3 lighters. Solstice is quickly killing my will to play.
Unless i get a good shotgun from the dreaming city then im still gonna use my compass rose
I wonder if an older quickdraw + snap would be better than slickdraw + snap. I didnt think itd be work farming but seems like slickdraw might be a bit better once enhanced....Great informative vid fam
Thabks for sharing. Was actually really curious about this exact thing
It's decent. Just gotta aim better. The trade off is best handling for having to be SLIGHTLY more accurate
Gameplay also shows your aim isn't the best. Not being mean but YOURE finding it harder to use BC it's user error. Personal opinion
Iv been using a targeting mod on my slickdraw roll, still not as consistent as I’d like but it did help me a little.
it’s best to always run a targeting/dex mod when you can, as these mods provide a handling scalar. for example, a compass rose with slickdraw(100 handling) has a .22 seconds ads speed. when you add a targeting mod the ads speed drops to 0.16 seconds. not a huge difference but it’s still helpful
@@afri2n preciate the info
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I knew people were wrong about slickdraw on this thing, thanks for the confirmation.
Maybe people think slickdraw is goodif they are on controller since I imagine it’s easier to hit centre mass and slickdraw has no effect on reticle friction. On mnk it seems obvious to me that slickdraw is way worse than my threat detector roll
You have to ask yourself if you lose more engagements to your shotgun whiffing vs not getting it out in time. The answer to that question is matador.
Compass is better
@@daythemilfslayer do a side by side comparison in D2 foundry. Matador has 3 more range and 8 more handling in its base stats. But I’ve been loving slickdraw myself. I was mostly just making a joke.
I haven't gotten either roll yet. Not even a 2 of 5 yet.
If you switch to light mag you can get 100 range
Knew it from the start. It’s statistically less consistent. I’m good
is that why I was like "WHAT is EVERYONE talking about?!" and "Maybe the aim assist cone that you lose from Slickdraw DOES matter" when I was able to get perfectly consistent kills with Threat Detector/Opening Shot whenever I heard complaints of how garbage and inconsistent the shotgun was by people who had Slickdraw/Opening Shot?!
Stop yappin
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Iam not finding slick draw that great compared to threat detector. Deleted 2 slickdraws (4/5 and what I thought was a 5/5) compass roses 3 days back because I wasent feeling them as good as my 3/5(smoothbore/light mag/threat detector/snap shot) rose. Haven't had a threat detector /open shot and settled with slickdraw /open shot because I thought no more solstice grind, fcuk I've another week of it now. Also like to share iam on controller... "👍"...
I do have old version with QuickDraw and snapshots and i was lucky enough to get slickdraw and opening shot .whatis better tho any ideas?
How are you getting 2 perks in column 3
Bounties
@@rahx3099 like which ones I've been doing the solstice ones and don't see that
@@JohnSmith-dz6vjif you do the bounties that are the most expensive, like the ones that want you to do 300,000 nightfall points, do GM nightfall, do 3 dungeon encounters, do a raid, etc. you will definitely acquire some multi-perk guns. I can't recall if it's guaranteed that way, but I know those bounties increase the chances greatly compared to the easier bounties.
More testing done here than anywhere else I seen.
1. Seems there is some evidence to suggest AA matters on shotguns, at least while aiming, even on non-slugs.
2. How do people measure actions in frames? Is there a way to count them ingame?
@markallen4282 I just recorded myself switching between the guns, then but the records into an edit software. You can very easily see every frame with that. so then you just count how many there are.
This gun whiffs a lot in general.
Doesnt that inconsistency coming from gun itself? Wallah was talking about that last year and this year too.
Me tho, Im a goober😂 I have threat detector and opening shot and its FUEGO 🔥🔥 if i get slickdraw god roll, i embrace it, my body is ready.
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nice, I had gotten the barrel shroud, accurized rounds, threat detector, opening shot, w/ a handling masterwork roll, but was on the grind for a slickdraw god roll. I should just stop the grind and be content it sounds like. Do you think my roll should be equivalent to a matador 64 god roll, or it's possible that matador is more consistent in general even if using the same perks?
Matador is slightly better
I set up matador and compass rose the exact same in d2 foundry based on my godroll matador I own, (smoothbore, assault mag, threat and opening with a range mw) and Matador has slightly better stats, and I mean slight. 3 extra range equaling out to about .09 extra meters of range, and a .02 faster draw speed. It’s so unnoticeably close that I don’t think it matters, but then you have to consider that compass rose can get enhanced perks. I’d be extremely happy with that rose if I were you
Also, if there’s anyone that wants to say anything about accurized btw it’s still only 3 points difference (97 to 100 vs 87 to 90) and it doesn’t matter much anyways bc of opening shot
@@DL-Davidenah compass rose is better easily😂matador can’t get enhanced perks
@@daythemilfslayer you're right, in theory. But idk why but compass rose sometimes is not consistent like matador feels.
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I got a slide shot + opening shot, ik that isnt a god roll but does that counts as a 4/5?
Sorry but this is your experience, not mine.
Matador always let me down cause I am a primmary challengue guy and at 58 handling with TD, cant count the amount of times the gun couldnt swap out fast enough. Specially against CF 95 handling (nowadays 80). I want to wins 1v1, not 2v1 ykwIm?
This is not the case for Slickdraw. A perfect 5/5 can have 100 range which is 10 points more than Matador. My 5/5 Matador whifles a lot, so that is not the issue.
A perfect Compass Rose with Nadir focus, target adj, and so, sits at 91 AA. The gun drops to 41 AA probably although spagueti code divides 3 instances AA, afecting centre pellet spread.
If I have to chose between having 41 AA (same as mindbenders) or low Matador handling, I chose Slickdraw. The amount of times homies freaked out cause they cant compete against 100 handling from slickdraw, you should hear their voices raging.
Is the perfect defensive tool, maping at distances my Matador never did.
Console vs PC might be a thing for this gun.
Edit: never did doubles or triple kills like with this gun, if I have 2 or 3 shots in store, it is over, you have slickdraw to counter me or you are basically dead
A 58 handling matador with threat detector x1 draws faster than conditional does
@@A_Block_of_Cheese you are forgetting dex and target mods
@@yermo-2820 mods work on both...
Wouldn't aim assist work only when moving the left or right stick?🤔
this smells like cope
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i have threat roll i really want slickdraw roll tbh
Realest video ever
Good thing I got one with both haha and a handling MW
Man mine works fantastic. I get tons of 1-taps with slickdraw/OS. Guess it just depends on the person.
My goat.
What happened here is a bunch of people changed "Slickdraw is good for certain builds" which is, yep, into "Slickdraw > Threat detector!" which is inaccurate.
The way I see it, if im running stompees or something and I need that bump in handling, and I use Shotties at ape distance anyway defensively or offensively, I run my Slickdraw.
But If I'm already running some kind of Handling like Spirit of/Ophidians, Thread of Ascent, whatever, then I don't need Slick and I'll just run my Threat Opening.
all that said, Slick isn't bad. that's just inaccurate. But a thumb like that will get engagement, so that's fair.
How come everyone is so bent on threat detector anyway. I got 2 god roll matadors one with threat opening one with perpetual opening and I prefer the perpetual one. Free 20 handling for the whole game puts it at like 78 what else do you need. Not like extra handling going to do much if 2 or more enemies around to keep me alive anyways.
TD will always be active at shotty range and give more handling + animation speed compared to perpetual motion, thats it. You can settle for perpetual, but if you have TD why use one that doesnt improve the animation speed outside of handling?
@@Kahyos just prefer the constant uptime and shotgun not changing. Even when I’m just running around with it it keeps the same feel I prefer that. Plus 80 handling like you don’t need anymore anyway
@@scottparrott5674 Like I said, you can ooze out more frames with TD due to the animation boost, for some people that matters. Not saying you need it, destiny aint a competitive game anyways, just giving reasons why Perp was always a second choice for shotties. There were cases where I would lose perp motion cause I had to hug a corner and it may cost the match.
@@Kahyos Yeah I’m not saying threat is bad anyway it’s s tier. I just think p motion is too and extremely underrated and actually prefer it. Apples to oranges tho whateve.
The thing is threat detector only gives 25 at one stack and most rolls have really bad handling,my roll has 82 range snap slickdraw with either full choke or rifled barrel the only thing missing is the masterwork 😭😭😭😭
I don't like opening shot because if you have the max which is 94 range it's only a 10 cm difference between that and 100
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Wait, you can get double perks? Must be after you finish the armor sets, I assume.
@LivingTheorem Yeah after completing the armor. Any weapon you get from the bounties will have double perks
My fave unc
He’s not wrong…
its the barrel, chg to shroud...
You mean change it to Full Choke.
as it turns out, nothing good came from solstice
This gotta be cope cuz u haven’t gotten any good rolls😂😂the hc n shotty r literally best in slot
@@daythemilfslayer are they? pretty sure matador has superior stats and i'm sure there are better hc's, i.e. rose, pali, igneous
@@MrTrombonejr ur slow😂
@@MrTrombonejr best 120 hc in slot dummy n compass is better cuz of slickdraw
@@daythemilfslayer did u watch the vid
Am I the only one that thinks Compass Rose is very inconsistent? My Someday feels WAY better than my godroll Compass.
It’s super inconsistent, I don’t think Slickdraw is the issue.
It's possible Barrel length still affects weapons. I think when they fixed Chaperone's Panama Ravine ornament, they only fixed that single instance and and not Barrel length affecting guns as a whole but I could easily be wrong about that.
41 frames at 60fps?
Slickdraw on shotguns is amazing, not so much on anything else
Average slickdraw hater LMAOO
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Slickdraw isn’t the issue, the compass rose is inconsistent no matter what roll
I hate the inconsistencies that TD has, so I'll be sticking with Slickdraw
Full choke helps a ton
lol um, I don’t think that perk does anything anymore. It’s like Full auto.
@@bannedmann4469 anecdotally I feel the shotgun has wayyy more consistency with full choke. Could just be me tho
@@brucemarshall5681it’s a placebo. Full choke makes no difference on one hit kill range and only slightly helps with clean ups. For better one hit kill go for range.
Watch MAVENS video on full choke. It still makes a difference in consistent kills with a shotgun. All you have to do is shot a wall and you will notice a huge difference in the spread being tighter. I have the true Rose God roll with Full Choke and slickdraw and opening shot with accurized rounds. Its consistent.
The aim assist doesn't make a difference at all, I will agree with you that slick draw is bad on anything other than A shotgun(slugs suck with it). However on a normal shotgun, It's probably the best perk in destiny history that we've ever had, It's pre nerf quick draw, with snapshot, with even faster stow speed. It's literally goated.
Get some skill Hunter simp
All of these videos on Slickdraw vs Threat is just useless af both are GOD roll perks end of discussion.
Did I miss something, how do you have double perks in the first perk column?
Nice vid! I was wondering about this. Was hoping to get a double perk with both Slickdraw and Threat detector to test.
I am STILL trying to get the god roll and I have been grinding the FUCK outta bash …gonna be very sad if I don’t get it🫤.
yeah same. I still haven't gotten even ONE threat opening shot roll. I have been none start farming and it still will not drop me one. Hopefully we can both get them!
@@Daltnix i hope so too 🍻