these meta reports are more useful than ever to me since i’ve been playing like one game a week lately lol. i keep taking longer and longer breaks ever since the matchmaking changes and it’s getting harder and harder to get back on the horse.
@@TshirtSeller I'm still confused as to what that does, does it actually change who you play with? I've been using it and it has improved my matches only slightly, I still get some bad ones here and there with people that just die 10 times and leave
you're always going to get people like that no matter what option they give you lol, look at league where there's been punishments for the past 10 years and people still rage quit sometimes
@@vokuhila6913 Yeah, i don't think there is any good solution to this. If you make leaving too punishing it wouldn't be fair to people that leave due to valid reasons or their computer crashing or power going out or whatever. And there would still be people that would just accept the severe punishment and rage quit anyway. The best solution I think is to have separate modes for people that expect a more casual match or a more competitive one. I hope they bring this feature back on full release or maybe even during the public beta
I felt like before he was really good byt only if he popped off during lane/early game. If not, it was constantly a race to catch up. Now he is just all around powerful
As a Yamato main, it made me so happy to see you recommend Ronald's build! It's the one I most regularly use and if you go into his chat he is always super willing to provide helpful feedback. Great streamer and player all around.
Interesting thing I discovered, and I am not sure if anyone already knows, but you can actually extend the unstoppable from mirages ult using duration extender and arcane surge etc, even though it does not display that you can. I think I managed to get it to about 6 seconds, so technically, you can arcane surge, teleport with ult, have unstoppable for 6 seconds, activate unstoppable the item for 6-7 seconds, refresher, teleport again you end up with like 20 seconds of not being able to be stunned, its pretty great
Yeah I've been cooking some stuff with duration extender/decay and Mirage ult, not sure it's worth full commiting but it's very value if you max the ult. Thanks for the comment!
I've found pretty good success with Infernus by buying a handful of 500-1250 items -- get some firerate (faster burn application), spirit lifesteal, spirit damage (extra spirit, toxic bullets) and duration (superior on burn) -- and then try to rush escalating exposure followed by leech early. With afterburn being his main damage dealer, I've noticed the key to winning fights with Infernus is to sustain long enough for your enemies to die to DoT. With leech and escalating exposure, every second a fight goes on you're becoming more tanky and your enemies are dying faster. This last game I played earlier tonight, I was able to get locked down and solo ulted by a warden, and I was still able to kill him because I just kept him on fire and healed through all his damage.
With the leech change this also means you’re applying two sources of heal cut now (toxic bullets and the healbane baked into leech) which probably really helped against the Warden ult lol. Bro was only healing like 25% at that point.
@@jonathanrussell6525 oh yeah, I absolutely LOVE the fact that heal bane is baked into leech now. Saves me a slot and allows me to completely negate abrams, warden and shiv. If my team is good enough for me to farm hard between lane phase and "every fight is a massive death ball team fight" phase, by that time I also have recoil, inhibitor and mystic slow, so I'm able to walk into a teamfight and all of a sudden the entire enemy team is moving slower, shooting slower, taking major damage, not healing at all, and having their damage output inhibited. I've started to see Infernus's role as debuffing everyone so hard that they can't beat the rest of my team.
@ Yeah, all that nonsense is why I did not remotely mind him getting nerfed lol. He’s really cool and I love him but goddamn was he my least favorite thing to go against for a while when I first started playing.
@zilliq-qz5uw yeah I've always thought the 15min ricochet rush was a trap. You can farm jungle almost as easily if you spend those souls on individual DoT, and it's way more important to have reliably high damage and sustain when against 1 or 2 enemies. Ricochet doesn't really provide any value until you notice that the majority of fights you're in include at least 3 enemies.
For yamato, the raw damage build is great for lower ranks, I think that Ronalds build is a bit focused around playing off of your teammates which doesn't work so well in lower ranks like oracle.
This is a very interesting perspective from the top level of the game, I greatly appreciate it! I just watched a video from 'The Deadlock Meta' who ranked for low tier and it was fairly different.
I think your teir list is suffering from a bit of anchoring bias and is becoming less useful as everything is crowding. If you force yourself to do a bell curve you will not have this problem, you can just note that the teirs are not far apart from each other
People don’t listen to disclaimers, if characters are close in power they should be close in tier list. Ppl will see “omg __ Char in bottom tier” and not think “___ char slightly weaker than the best” if a majority of the cast is strong then that’s where they belong, there’s not enough of a difference between them and extremely strong
@@emmett_m i agree; i think it’s best to skew towards accuracy even if it means the tier list is “less useful” at a glance. tier lists in general are honestly pretty overrated and purposeless as a tool. generally speaking, tier lists in most games don’t even matter for an overwhelming majority of a given playerbase. deathy even says he bases his tier lists off of tournament play, which most people watching this will probably never even experience firsthand.
I actually really dislike forcing a bell curve into tier lists, as it often is not at all indicative of strength. I’d much prefer a cramped tier list if the heroes are in fact close in power. Tier lists don’t matter much anyways, no tier list is accurate for your specific skill level and skill set.
his ball build is still great but melee just does insane damage and makes him a brawler, and even without all of that cube is still really easy to get value out of. i don’t think he’s “overpowered” or oppressive rn but he’s very strong atm
they are trash now. the ball build is dead despite what anyone would say. and puddle punch being parryable makes going a full melee build not remotely good against good players. even when you are hitting ur punches there is melee resist on tons of items now
nah that’s just incorrect, ball build is no longer SS tier but still very good. melee viscous is also very good, and idk where u got the idea that good players parry puddle punch cuz in fights they dont
@@Goober70000 in fights u will hit some punches yes, but in any 1v1 scenario against a good player you are not hitting more than 2. 2 punches does less than 600 damage most of the time and even less if they have ANY melee resist.
Yo Deathy, could you check out the paradox pulse grenade. You can put every ability range and duration item on it and then it pulses 8x and the range is nearly as big as the midboss pit, and you can spam with the shard item. The recent ability range and duration nerfs didn’t affect the 8x pulses because that ability is broken, it pulses more times than it should and it seems kinda broken tbh
Did you try building scarab mirage ? With cooldown reduction, ability duration and spirit, adding a siphon bullet on top he can steal a lot of HP. Kind of a troll build I suppose
I do get why such drastic changes occur in this stage in the game, but boy is it getting exhausting to try and keep up with the game. I almost wish I wasn’t introduced to this crack I call Deadlock so early
Mirage is only too strong if you don't know how to deal with him. He's my main so I know well the timing of the mark, so if I get put against a mirage in lane, whenever I think I've got 2x mark on me, I'll get behind cover until it expires.
14:55 tbh i have felt for a while that every hero just needs to have their damage brought down significantly. It feels like every character just blows people up the past month or two
Press F7 on your keyboard to open the console menu. Insert the command “citadel_unit_status_use_new true”. Press Enter to activate it. edit: in the main menu, before booting a game. it goes back to default every now and then idk why. maybe patches reset configs
I'm very curious how Bebop is handled differently in pro matches. At least in the lower-middle ranks where I'm playing at he tends to do a lot of work just going for double bombs until he's oneshotting most of your team with a set of doublebombs.
sure but tier lists in general are pretty useless. if the heroes are actually that close together in power, then what use is a tier list anyway? a tier list with more exaggerated placements for effects wouldn’t be a useful tool for measuring character strength.
i can pinpoint exactly why the bottom 5 wr heroes are there: they dont have spammable abilities that do the work for you and win you games without mechanics lol
seven isn't better after this patch? his ult lost dps and the lightning bolt will never hit unless you combo it with other hero's cc or max his 2. definitely a net nerf especially considering how terrible his ult is past the first 10 minutes
@zilliq-qz5uw I do I just suck with traditional carry heroes I don't position correctly and feed when I'm weak then don't take advantage of when I'm strong. I'm best with tanky heroes with lots of sustain so my bad positioning I can get away
@@emmett_m probably higher ranked but it could also be a server-specific issue. i’m on NA and i don’t think i’ve seen a cheater in my games yet but they’re rampant on eu and asia servers from what i’ve seen.
How in the world is Shiv extremely strong. His 21th Nov patch is not even a buff, it's a T1 - T2 damage swap. DAMAGE SWAP. Even from the stats we can see Shiv got really low win rate and he put Shiv in extremely strong tier list, Do you just use your feeling in this tierlist? "I FEEL. I FEEL," damn This guy gonna get Shiv nerf to trash again, just like how he got CD removed from Leech.
@@gorehound666 got a good build? i tried to make my own but idk which items are actually necessary and which to prioritize etc so i just end up feeling weak
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these meta reports are more useful than ever to me since i’ve been playing like one game a week lately lol. i keep taking longer and longer breaks ever since the matchmaking changes and it’s getting harder and harder to get back on the horse.
Since they updated the matchmaking to have a prefer competitive button it’s been much better in my experience
@@TshirtSeller I'm still confused as to what that does, does it actually change who you play with? I've been using it and it has improved my matches only slightly, I still get some bad ones here and there with people that just die 10 times and leave
@@pedroholsbach8592 for now it just puts you with people who select the same option
you're always going to get people like that no matter what option they give you lol, look at league where there's been punishments for the past 10 years and people still rage quit sometimes
@@vokuhila6913 Yeah, i don't think there is any good solution to this. If you make leaving too punishing it wouldn't be fair to people that leave due to valid reasons or their computer crashing or power going out or whatever. And there would still be people that would just accept the severe punishment and rage quit anyway. The best solution I think is to have separate modes for people that expect a more casual match or a more competitive one. I hope they bring this feature back on full release or maybe even during the public beta
04:37 - Thanks for checking out my build you absolute legend, much love!
If talon stands in his trap shiv cant ult him too
Very true!
That's an insane interaction. Does abrams charge get interrupted as well ?
Love your meta reports. Please do these even after the game gets a full release.
“is mirage too strong?” was this ever a point of contention lol
he was just decent last patch
No he was 'good' last patch @@cxemdy
@cxemdy he's got a lot on his kit. A invisibility dodge, a massive damage source on his 3, global bank ability, and lifesteal.
I felt like before he was really good byt only if he popped off during lane/early game. If not, it was constantly a race to catch up. Now he is just all around powerful
As a Yamato main, it made me so happy to see you recommend Ronald's build! It's the one I most regularly use and if you go into his chat he is always super willing to provide helpful feedback.
Great streamer and player all around.
Interesting thing I discovered, and I am not sure if anyone already knows, but you can actually extend the unstoppable from mirages ult using duration extender and arcane surge etc, even though it does not display that you can.
I think I managed to get it to about 6 seconds, so technically, you can arcane surge, teleport with ult, have unstoppable for 6 seconds, activate unstoppable the item for 6-7 seconds, refresher, teleport again
you end up with like 20 seconds of not being able to be stunned, its pretty great
Yeah I've been cooking some stuff with duration extender/decay and Mirage ult, not sure it's worth full commiting but it's very value if you max the ult. Thanks for the comment!
@adamowl4425 works on allies now too so your dynamo doesn't necessarily need to get unstoppable
I think you kinda slept on Mo and Krill, imo the strongest hero in a setting where people actually communicate and have teamplay
i do agree that nerfs should start to be done instead to even out the balance more
All of the 4 characters I play Strong or above, today is a good day
I've found pretty good success with Infernus by buying a handful of 500-1250 items -- get some firerate (faster burn application), spirit lifesteal, spirit damage (extra spirit, toxic bullets) and duration (superior on burn) -- and then try to rush escalating exposure followed by leech early. With afterburn being his main damage dealer, I've noticed the key to winning fights with Infernus is to sustain long enough for your enemies to die to DoT. With leech and escalating exposure, every second a fight goes on you're becoming more tanky and your enemies are dying faster. This last game I played earlier tonight, I was able to get locked down and solo ulted by a warden, and I was still able to kill him because I just kept him on fire and healed through all his damage.
With the leech change this also means you’re applying two sources of heal cut now (toxic bullets and the healbane baked into leech) which probably really helped against the Warden ult lol. Bro was only healing like 25% at that point.
@@jonathanrussell6525 oh yeah, I absolutely LOVE the fact that heal bane is baked into leech now. Saves me a slot and allows me to completely negate abrams, warden and shiv.
If my team is good enough for me to farm hard between lane phase and "every fight is a massive death ball team fight" phase, by that time I also have recoil, inhibitor and mystic slow, so I'm able to walk into a teamfight and all of a sudden the entire enemy team is moving slower, shooting slower, taking major damage, not healing at all, and having their damage output inhibited.
I've started to see Infernus's role as debuffing everyone so hard that they can't beat the rest of my team.
@ Yeah, all that nonsense is why I did not remotely mind him getting nerfed lol. He’s really cool and I love him but goddamn was he my least favorite thing to go against for a while when I first started playing.
This was basically the infernus meta for some time now, except people used to prioritize ricochet, now rapid recharge is high value too
@zilliq-qz5uw yeah I've always thought the 15min ricochet rush was a trap. You can farm jungle almost as easily if you spend those souls on individual DoT, and it's way more important to have reliably high damage and sustain when against 1 or 2 enemies. Ricochet doesn't really provide any value until you notice that the majority of fights you're in include at least 3 enemies.
Maybe im a little nationistic, or whatever the continental version of that is, but I appreciate the summation of views between NA and EUR.
Great stuff been looking forward to these vids every patch
oh cool, I ran extra charge on infernus cause I could delay upgrading the 1 for a really long time, now I can just hold onto charge for a nice bump
For yamato, the raw damage build is great for lower ranks, I think that Ronalds build is a bit focused around playing off of your teammates which doesn't work so well in lower ranks like oracle.
Great video as always
This is a very interesting perspective from the top level of the game, I greatly appreciate it! I just watched a video from 'The Deadlock Meta' who ranked for low tier and it was fairly different.
Great video, as always!
4:15 "surprising amount of damage" overwatch memes have shattered my brain
thanks for the reports, do you have a recommended build for shiv?
I think your teir list is suffering from a bit of anchoring bias and is becoming less useful as everything is crowding. If you force yourself to do a bell curve you will not have this problem, you can just note that the teirs are not far apart from each other
People don’t listen to disclaimers, if characters are close in power they should be close in tier list. Ppl will see “omg __ Char in bottom tier” and not think “___ char slightly weaker than the best” if a majority of the cast is strong then that’s where they belong, there’s not enough of a difference between them and extremely strong
@@emmett_m i agree; i think it’s best to skew towards accuracy even if it means the tier list is “less useful” at a glance. tier lists in general are honestly pretty overrated and purposeless as a tool. generally speaking, tier lists in most games don’t even matter for an overwhelming majority of a given playerbase. deathy even says he bases his tier lists off of tournament play, which most people watching this will probably never even experience firsthand.
I actually really dislike forcing a bell curve into tier lists, as it often is not at all indicative of strength. I’d much prefer a cramped tier list if the heroes are in fact close in power. Tier lists don’t matter much anyways, no tier list is accurate for your specific skill level and skill set.
Isn't this pretty implicit, win rates largely have a 8% gap at most day by day by character
nothing wrong with a good Lomax distribution
I used your mirage build today 11/0/11 he is definitely S tier this patch
They need to nerf black panther
No segment about vicious especially with his 3 buff? Would like to hear more about why hes number 1
his ball build is still great but melee just does insane damage and makes him a brawler, and even without all of that cube is still really easy to get value out of. i don’t think he’s “overpowered” or oppressive rn but he’s very strong atm
they are trash now. the ball build is dead despite what anyone would say. and puddle punch being parryable makes going a full melee build not remotely good against good players. even when you are hitting ur punches there is melee resist on tons of items now
nah that’s just incorrect, ball build is no longer SS tier but still very good. melee viscous is also very good, and idk where u got the idea that good players parry puddle punch cuz in fights they dont
hero is unplayable dogshite this patch u are delusional @goober70000
@@Goober70000 in fights u will hit some punches yes, but in any 1v1 scenario against a good player you are not hitting more than 2. 2 punches does less than 600 damage most of the time and even less if they have ANY melee resist.
New video title: breaking gold statues for 20 minutes
Thank you as always for the educational content.
Im probably misreading the crippling hs change but I thought diminishing stacking meant with all resist shred items. Has this been tested?
The Changes from seven are nice but IT didnt feel so much better that seven ist in my opponion between okay or good but a Low good
Shiv just won't die!
Yo Deathy, could you check out the paradox pulse grenade. You can put every ability range and duration item on it and then it pulses 8x and the range is nearly as big as the midboss pit, and you can spam with the shard item. The recent ability range and duration nerfs didn’t affect the 8x pulses because that ability is broken, it pulses more times than it should and it seems kinda broken tbh
Can you recommend any lady geist builds?
:thinking: on that tier list
Did you try building scarab mirage ? With cooldown reduction, ability duration and spirit, adding a siphon bullet on top he can steal a lot of HP. Kind of a troll build I suppose
I do get why such drastic changes occur in this stage in the game, but boy is it getting exhausting to try and keep up with the game. I almost wish I wasn’t introduced to this crack I call Deadlock so early
What build are you playing in PoE?
did they permanently fix the dot crosshair
ahhhh time for my opinions
Deathy talking about power creep in heroes
Meanwhile me being a Pocket/Paradox main:
Didn't mention lore buffs once SMH
I thought Death was a marvel, but now he's my rival
@@ObeliskEye i’ve been taking a break from deadlock to play marvel rivals but it’s nowhere near as deep so i might be coming back soon lol
@@eebbaa5560 rivals honestly feels like such a nothing burger in comparison. I top fragged on Marvels and felt nothing at all
deadlocking in
Mirage is only too strong if you don't know how to deal with him. He's my main so I know well the timing of the mark, so if I get put against a mirage in lane, whenever I think I've got 2x mark on me, I'll get behind cover until it expires.
14:55 tbh i have felt for a while that every hero just needs to have their damage brought down significantly. It feels like every character just blows people up the past month or two
Why do my health bars and such look different
Press F7 on your keyboard to open the console menu. Insert the command “citadel_unit_status_use_new true”. Press Enter to activate it.
edit: in the main menu, before booting a game. it goes back to default every now and then idk why. maybe patches reset configs
Google "new healthcare deadlock command"
Issue content creators are using the experimental health bars. You can activate them with a console command. Shouldn’t be too hard to find somewhere
Type +citadel_unit_status_use_new true in your launch options!
I'm very curious how Bebop is handled differently in pro matches. At least in the lower-middle ranks where I'm playing at he tends to do a lot of work just going for double bombs until he's oneshotting most of your team with a set of doublebombs.
He is not played in pro matches. The hook is too inconsistent at high level
Double bomb is kinda troll once people start buying debuff remover or e-shift. Gun bebop is okay tho
Didn't mention the concerns of the deep SMH
how about lash ult then your teammate glyph towards the lash
Why the hp bar looks different?
Google "new healthcare deadlock command"
All heroes are good, time to release more
i love the game but i can no longer play since i can't find a single game, not even in peak hours :(
guess ill wait until the full release of the game
Delete tornado fr
Pocket is damn near useless right now, the only times they pop off is in spite of choosing Pocket instead of because of Pocket 😂
Hey deathy! I love your involvment in this game and cool videos, but please remember that competetive fun is not only fun :)
Yeah for sure, important to kick back and just enjoy the game. Thanks for the support!
Mirage keeps bouncing between first-pick and barely-viable, I genuinely think they might want to look into reworking his kit to be more meta stable.
He has been high priority in picks and bans since his release
There was never a time when Mirage was barely viable.
bait
Okay fine I admit I'm a casual, but my point still stands that his kit could use a reworking if he's as meta as you all claim
@@shybandit521 I don't think he needs a rework, he's an interesting character
Surprised you put viscous in top S. He doesn’t seem to carry but he is definitely a strong character for teams
Late Deathy smh
Yes, yes he is.
My PoE2 GOAT
That tier list needs to be decompressed. It doesnt really provide much insight at this point.
sure but tier lists in general are pretty useless. if the heroes are actually that close together in power, then what use is a tier list anyway? a tier list with more exaggerated placements for effects wouldn’t be a useful tool for measuring character strength.
The insight is that balance is good
Hell yeah
i can pinpoint exactly why the bottom 5 wr heroes are there: they dont have spammable abilities that do the work for you and win you games without mechanics lol
Wraith is in the bottom 5 though
seven isn't better after this patch? his ult lost dps and the lightning bolt will never hit unless you combo it with other hero's cc or max his 2. definitely a net nerf especially considering how terrible his ult is past the first 10 minutes
he is fine now imo last patch he was dogshit
Lady geist is ruining the game with her fundamentally broken ultimate.
Bro shut up they're going to nerf my main
deathy patch, everything u asked for this is getting shameless buddy. buff mcginnis.
warden is easy... meanwhile he's my most played and 40% winrate
Play gun he's scaling into a monster late game
@zilliq-qz5uw I do I just suck with traditional carry heroes I don't position correctly and feed when I'm weak then don't take advantage of when I'm strong. I'm best with tanky heroes with lots of sustain so my bad positioning I can get away
This game is such a pain to play nowadays, if they don't balance it and get rid of cheaters, I'm not coming back
I’m with you but it’s in Alpha
Yep, i don't want to lane, at all. And i just don't feel like launching it because of it. It's absolutely not fun with draft difference.
? It’s like the best balanced it’s been in a while and cheaters are rare. What rank are you for cheaters to be a serious issue?
@@emmett_m probably higher ranked but it could also be a server-specific issue. i’m on NA and i don’t think i’ve seen a cheater in my games yet but they’re rampant on eu and asia servers from what i’ve seen.
lol it’s still in Alpha, the whole point to all these patches is to fix the balancing.
Remove haze
Cope
Idk haven't been playing but Mirage is the most boring character I've ever seen
seven mains rejoice he is finally good
Its obvious that the devs dont play their own game.
Dead game
How in the world is Shiv extremely strong. His 21th Nov patch is not even a buff, it's a T1 - T2 damage swap. DAMAGE SWAP. Even from the stats we can see Shiv got really low win rate and he put Shiv in extremely strong tier list, Do you just use your feeling in this tierlist? "I FEEL. I FEEL," damn This guy gonna get Shiv nerf to trash again, just like how he got CD removed from Leech.
have you not played gun shiv? i main him atm and even i think he's just too disturbingly strong
Did you watch the video or just skip to the end of the tier list?
@@gorehound666 got a good build? i tried to make my own but idk which items are actually necessary and which to prioritize etc so i just end up feeling weak
are you and that one schizo guy that thinks deathy is in cahoots with yoshi related by chance?
shiv should have been gutted a long time ago ... as long as he has 3 , he would be strong