Long intervals on a bike are like being skinned alive. In two minutes you’re in such discomfort you can’t imagine continuing for another minute, let alone 30 or 60. But you go to your quiet place and don’t stop. 101% mental.
Nordic skiing, especially the distance race formats... full body exertion, in the cold, often at altitude, and if you're racing to your max and giving everything, the pain should feel like you're about to experience multiple organ failure for a non-trivial part of it. You watch athletes like Jessie Diggins, who race with their whole heart, deep in the pain cave, cross the finish and just collapse, and have the courage to face that pain again and again with a smile. Dry heaving. Flat on the snow. Abdomen convulsing. Fun! Haha so much respect for those athletes. But every sport is different. Pain, endurance, courage take so many forms. All I know is, the mountains set the scene for so much of that magic. Anvil to become whatever stronger version of yourself you can.
I think there is mental toughness vs physical toughness. I don't think there are many athletes that are mentally tougher than elite climbers pushing boundaries. If you make a mistake, serious injury or death is all but certain. Physical toughness is more ambiguous. They are certainly strong, but toughness is harder to define.
Physiologically,the science is sound; World Cup Nordic ski racing. In fact, Klaebo - the worlds best Nordic ski racer, trains with his country’s Norwegian Pro Cycling Team just to stay in off season shape for ski racing. As a 4-decade outdoor performance coach and Bodyworker tho? The most beat up and structurally eff’d up bodies come to me from pro rodeo and ballet! Climbers are mostly injured via finger/wrist/elbow/shoulder issues . Good vid! 🙏🏾
I’ll be the one to say it - if you’re looking for the ultimate combination of mental and physical, for more hours than a marathon… well, Alex on Freerider.
Glad cyclists get a good nod here. There's so many sotries of pro cyclists crashing and finsihing the race then it turns out they kept going with a broken wrist, broken collar bone, broken ribs or fractures or torn muscles somewhere else. If I remeber correctly I think Pirmoz Roglic got back on his bike with a fracture in one of his vertebrae during a Tour de France. All that on the pain of going so fucking deep sometimes. Hell Fabio Jackobson almost died during a crash and is back on his bike doing the same thing. People ask him if he's not scared and he goes "I don't really remember the crash so nothing to be scared of". All sports have you suffer when you go deep. But pro cyclists are one of the worst I feel like. American hand-egg and rugby are probably up there as well.
Professional combat athletes and bull riders. I love climbing but it has nothing on a pro kicking you in the leg or jabbing your face. As for bull riding just Google a bull named Bodacious 😮
Pretty sure you were making the comparison with bodacious. Ever heard of k2 , it's not just fucking up climbing when the elements are testing you. Frostbite can be a bruise 😝 I was looking broader at the spectrum, not just free soloing. Calm down dude, or take it out in the octagon.
Looks like I struck a nerve here😂 your average climber is a whiny baby hunkered under a boulder with a mountain of pads or dangling off the end of a TR complaining about condies and wondering why their not insta famous
Asking a rock climber what a burly, rough, pushing the threshold athlete is, is going to produce some pretty whimped out responses. I mean bicycling?... good grief.
Long intervals on a bike are like being skinned alive. In two minutes you’re in such discomfort you can’t imagine continuing for another minute, let alone 30 or 60. But you go to your quiet place and don’t stop. 101% mental.
Nordic skiing, especially the distance race formats... full body exertion, in the cold, often at altitude, and if you're racing to your max and giving everything, the pain should feel like you're about to experience multiple organ failure for a non-trivial part of it. You watch athletes like Jessie Diggins, who race with their whole heart, deep in the pain cave, cross the finish and just collapse, and have the courage to face that pain again and again with a smile. Dry heaving. Flat on the snow. Abdomen convulsing. Fun! Haha so much respect for those athletes. But every sport is different. Pain, endurance, courage take so many forms. All I know is, the mountains set the scene for so much of that magic. Anvil to become whatever stronger version of yourself you can.
Rowing seems pretty gnarly
I think there is mental toughness vs physical toughness. I don't think there are many athletes that are mentally tougher than elite climbers pushing boundaries. If you make a mistake, serious injury or death is all but certain.
Physical toughness is more ambiguous. They are certainly strong, but toughness is harder to define.
Physiologically,the science is sound; World Cup Nordic ski racing. In fact, Klaebo - the worlds best Nordic ski racer, trains with his country’s Norwegian Pro Cycling Team just to stay in off season shape for ski racing. As a 4-decade outdoor performance coach and Bodyworker tho? The most beat up and structurally eff’d up bodies come to me from pro rodeo and ballet! Climbers are mostly injured via finger/wrist/elbow/shoulder issues . Good vid! 🙏🏾
Pro rodeo seems so brutal. Great addition to this, thanks!
@@ClimbingGold sooooo brutal...
don't know if even Magnus would take on that challenge!
Motocross and then Supercross
I’ll be the one to say it - if you’re looking for the ultimate combination of mental and physical, for more hours than a marathon… well, Alex on Freerider.
You don't remember a true 1 hour threshold test, nor the pain, just a vague idea that it was awful, a 2nd hand feeling lol
thresholdists memory sounds a lot like alipinists memory lol
@@ClimbingGold both involves reduced O2 to the brain lol
Glad cyclists get a good nod here. There's so many sotries of pro cyclists crashing and finsihing the race then it turns out they kept going with a broken wrist, broken collar bone, broken ribs or fractures or torn muscles somewhere else. If I remeber correctly I think Pirmoz Roglic got back on his bike with a fracture in one of his vertebrae during a Tour de France. All that on the pain of going so fucking deep sometimes. Hell Fabio Jackobson almost died during a crash and is back on his bike doing the same thing. People ask him if he's not scared and he goes "I don't really remember the crash so nothing to be scared of".
All sports have you suffer when you go deep. But pro cyclists are one of the worst I feel like. American hand-egg and rugby are probably up there as well.
"I don't remember the crash so nothing to be scared of" is a wild statement in and of itself haha, what a madman!
PBR... Professional Bullriders
Professional combat athletes and bull riders. I love climbing but it has nothing on a pro kicking you in the leg or jabbing your face. As for bull riding just Google a bull named Bodacious 😮
Yea grit, no denying jb mauney or a pro fighter but name the list of climbers that have died enduring the elements as opposed to the contrary.
Bodacious is finite....mountains are not.
In combat sports, you fuck up, you get a bruise. In free soloing, you fuck up, you die. There isn't even a comparison dude
Pretty sure you were making the comparison with bodacious. Ever heard of k2 , it's not just fucking up climbing when the elements are testing you. Frostbite can be a bruise 😝 I was looking broader at the spectrum, not just free soloing. Calm down dude, or take it out in the octagon.
Looks like I struck a nerve here😂 your average climber is a whiny baby hunkered under a boulder with a mountain of pads or dangling off the end of a TR complaining about condies and wondering why their not insta famous
Asking a rock climber what a burly, rough, pushing the threshold athlete is, is going to produce some pretty whimped out responses. I mean bicycling?... good grief.
You don’t know bicycling shane…it’s one of the hardest sports out there.