With all the tropical plants down here in Florida I use the 2.3 however I do use a 2.1 when the algae gets super bad, great video Mike. Downstream is a fantastic way to clean.
Here's my message I pass along on Facebook and Reddit about this subject the 1.5mm, 1.8mm, 2.1mm, 2.3mm, 2.5mm is the orifice size that's inside the injector. This varies your draw rate. These are general pump sizes Metric-Inches- similar tip size 1.45mm-0.057"-(5) 1.5mm-0.059"-(5.5) 1.6mm-0.063"-(6.25) 1.8mm-0.071"-(8) 2.1mm-0.083"-(11) 2.3mm-0.091"-(13) 2.5mm-0.098"-(16) The smaller the orifice means higher pressure which means a stronger draw through the venturi effect Also like an xjet your gpm is also going to vary your dilution ratio.
@@TheFreshRinse they both work hand in hand with each other because just like nozzles smaller orifice means higher pressure and lower gpm so it's less diluted but also at the same time higher pressure from the smaller orifice is creating a stronger vaccum through the Venturi effect on the other size of the orifice where the barb is bringing in chemical faster. I would say with a stock injector that has the same barb size, the orifice makes the bigger difference in dilution more than the pressure created vacuum does. Reason being, the barb could and probably does restrict how much more chemical could come in with the higher pressure created vacuum. If the barb were larger to not cause restriction on the chemical intake then I would say the pressure causing vacuum would be what makes a stronger mix more than the amount of flow the orifice allows.
Like your video/info. Mike 👍 And Yep, ordered & changed back to 2.3 DSI last month for my 8gpm as well after a few mishaps in this heat. FYI, a Gardener said that even watering plants if very hot, direct sun, dry conditions can cause problems with plants. Recommends a very Light mist/fog to cool, second heavier mist to wet, and even a third pass to soak… then you can wash/ rinse. Im also adding a neutralizer for a secondary pre or post treatment. It’s definitely more work/time/cost but, I can’t afford to destroy any more plants. 😢
@@TheFreshRinse I am looking to get the raw chem (can’t recall tech. name) and mix my own, I was using “Agent Halt” from The Power Wash Store in Nashville when I started out but there are several brands on the market.
I agree with your field data. I have only used a 2.3 with a igx 800 10gpm. When it is in the 60degree range and less I usually have to reapply the solution. Good video. Good suggestions.
I soft washed my house (well x-jet) for the first time this weekend. Thank you for your videos…. I saw my neighbors watching, wondering “what is the mysticism?” Seriously tempted to go into business for myself!
I exclusively use 2.3 during spring and summer and I'm super fast and efficient. I even sometimes close my 3 way valve to my bleach a tad. Come late fall and early winter I go with a 2.1 or 1.8. the comments that state that a 2.3 is a chemical saver are spot on and I get the same, fast results during warm weather
Did the homeowners say you killed plants or did you notice? I haven’t killed anything in 2 years other than my own grass at home when priming my 12v lol. But seriously just wondering. I bought a 1.8 injector and didnt even think to be more careful on plants. Does that 1% if even 1% make that much difference on plant life?
Yeah, pretty much. I’ve killed a few. I never argue. If they feel the plant(s) are toast, I say “Please let me know what I can do to help resolve the situation. I’ll stop at nothing to make it as right as I possibly can.”
I determine it by the temperature. Sounds crazy but, when it’s cold I use the 1.8 because it’s more potent. When it’s warm I use the 2.1. And when it’s hot outside I use the 2.3
I heard a rumor that you don't use surfactant on roof washs anymore? Is that true and why if it is? I am new to the game and have done to roof washes both was her fact that I'm wondering if the extra expense is necessary.
A good topic about DSI. I'm thinking about putting 2 DSI in parallel going into the same line to get higher concentrations. What is your opinion about the idea?
@@pedromatosmatos1767 Thank you sir. It won’t work. The first DSI will simply be pushing SH into the second DSI. I’d be interested in any report you may have. Try it. I might be wrong.
@@TheFreshRinse Mind you, I'm not saying one after the other. I'm saying on two separate lines where the final join is the same and the initial join is also the same. Does that make sense?
So for example you have an 8gpm 3500 psi machine, downstreaming with a 2.3 injector using a 12.5% mix. What roughly is the percentage you are throwing? I have a hard time understanding.
@@Swellist Without doing a draw test (using only my experience), you’re getting a little less than 1%. This is suitable for most situations in the summer months.
Would you say that a 10gpm would be too much? I'm thinking that a 10 could be quite versitile if configured properly: you can do both flatwork and house washing without having to jump around between different machines. Just thinking out loud.. let me know what you think
@@TheFreshRinse Yes, I can imagine with all of that power! Would you recommend using dedicated softwash systems for roofs/houses and just downstream for flatwork?
@@jonmitchell9213 I have an 8 for house washing, a 10 got flat work, an AR 45 for roofs and pretreatment and postreatment of concrete and a 12 volt for roof washing.
@@jonmitchell9213 I’m extremely minimalistic in my approach… yet efficient. No fancy knobs and switches. At 53, I just want to get the job done. Nothing very impressive.
The orifices from there Not a dollar Each. They are 3.50 each Plus shipping. If you happen to find them anywhere for a dollar, let me know cause I need to buy some more. Thank
I’ve heard of guys that work that way, one guy soaps the other follows and rinses, (some guy up in CT maybe, LOL) my son and I just divee it up when we arrive, “ I’ve got near and rear, you do front and far”. As a solo act Fresh, you get to drag your two guns and hoses around and soap and rinse at the same time. Good luck not running out of water with an 8 and 10 sucking you dry at the same time. We run 2 6s and struggle to maintain water in the tank, or as Joe says, “chasing water”. Keep up the great work guys!
@@TheFreshRinse yes….you did say that. I was thinking for you long term, 2.1 would be the go to injector for 8 gpm. I’ve tried 2.3 myself…..seems like longer wait times and more applications, but that’s me. Thanks for the videos, their great.
Maybe you killed the plants like I did that one time on a house because I forgot that I did not switch my down the stream injector back to rinse 🤣🤣🤣🤣 talk about a big "oops"
Did a similar thing when prepping to wash a deck and started by wetting down the white cedar siding 🤦♂️ Fortunately the owners liked the "fresh" look they got along the back of the house. They even asked for a price to do the whole thing 💪
With all the tropical plants down here in Florida I use the 2.3 however I do use a 2.1 when the algae gets super bad, great video Mike. Downstream is a fantastic way to clean.
Thank you my brother. You do a ton of work!
Get after it
11:15 … You mean Russ Johnson at South Side Equipment.
Which btw, I’m fortunate enough to live 20 minutes from him. 😊
As always, great video Mike. ✌🏼
Yeah, I caught that after I uploaded the video
Here's my message I pass along on Facebook and Reddit about this subject
the 1.5mm, 1.8mm, 2.1mm, 2.3mm, 2.5mm is the orifice size that's inside the injector. This varies your draw rate.
These are general pump sizes
Metric-Inches- similar tip size
1.45mm-0.057"-(5)
1.5mm-0.059"-(5.5)
1.6mm-0.063"-(6.25)
1.8mm-0.071"-(8)
2.1mm-0.083"-(11)
2.3mm-0.091"-(13)
2.5mm-0.098"-(16)
The smaller the orifice means higher pressure which means a stronger draw through the venturi effect
Also like an xjet your gpm is also going to vary your dilution ratio.
Thank you. Are you sure it’s the small hole/pressure combo that draws a different ratio? Or, is it large hole adds more water, thus diluting the mix?
@@TheFreshRinse they both work hand in hand with each other because just like nozzles smaller orifice means higher pressure and lower gpm so it's less diluted but also at the same time higher pressure from the smaller orifice is creating a stronger vaccum through the Venturi effect on the other size of the orifice where the barb is bringing in chemical faster. I would say with a stock injector that has the same barb size, the orifice makes the bigger difference in dilution more than the pressure created vacuum does. Reason being, the barb could and probably does restrict how much more chemical could come in with the higher pressure created vacuum. If the barb were larger to not cause restriction on the chemical intake then I would say the pressure causing vacuum would be what makes a stronger mix more than the amount of flow the orifice allows.
Like your video/info. Mike 👍
And Yep, ordered & changed back to 2.3 DSI last month for my 8gpm as well after a few mishaps in this heat.
FYI, a Gardener said that even watering plants if very hot, direct sun, dry conditions can cause problems with plants. Recommends a very Light mist/fog to cool, second heavier mist to wet, and even a third pass to soak… then you can wash/ rinse.
Im also adding a neutralizer for a secondary pre or post treatment. It’s definitely more work/time/cost but, I can’t afford to destroy any more plants. 😢
You are the best. Thank you. May I ask what neutralizer you are using?
@@TheFreshRinse
I am looking to get the raw chem (can’t recall tech. name) and mix my own, I was using “Agent Halt” from The Power Wash Store in Nashville when I started out but there are several brands on the market.
I agree with your field data. I have only used a 2.3 with a igx 800 10gpm. When it is in the 60degree range and less I usually have to reapply the solution. Good video. Good suggestions.
I’m grateful. Thank you!!!
Thanks Mike great information to know.
Thank you my friend
I soft washed my house (well x-jet) for the first time this weekend. Thank you for your videos…. I saw my neighbors watching, wondering “what is the mysticism?” Seriously tempted to go into business for myself!
Thank you for watching brother!
You can change the orifice out with the quick connects on. Asduming your allen key is long enough.
I’m in the habit of removing it because I used to have the plug on that end. But yes, you are 100% correct!
I exclusively use 2.3 during spring and summer and I'm super fast and efficient. I even sometimes close my 3 way valve to my bleach a tad. Come late fall and early winter I go with a 2.1 or 1.8. the comments that state that a 2.3 is a chemical saver are spot on and I get the same, fast results during warm weather
100% correct
@derrickslodysko963 That will work
Great video mike! Very informative!
Thank you brother!
Keep up the hustle Fresh!
BOOM!
Great video Mike !
Thank you Enda
Awesome brother!
Thank you kind sir!
I've been using a 1.8 with my 5gpm. Been working great
That’s a powerful combo
@TheFreshRinse Yea, I have been sure to wet everything very well, so far I've haven't had any issued lol. I may switch back to the 2.1
Hey Mike! Wouldn’t you be better off doing a better job watering plants than changing the size of the injector?
That’s a great question Jose. As the temperature rises, a strong mix is not as necessary. Perhaps doing both would be beneficial.
Another knowledgeable video! Thanks Mike
@@kmc669 You are very welcome brother
Love this information for sure.
Very valuable.
Thank you my friend!
Did the homeowners say you killed plants or did you notice? I haven’t killed anything in 2 years other than my own grass at home when priming my 12v lol. But seriously just wondering. I bought a 1.8 injector and didnt even think to be more careful on plants. Does that 1% if even 1% make that much difference on plant life?
I’ve had several customers call. I get it. It doesn’t seem right. I can only chalk it up to the severe lack of rain.
You should check out the pipe vise portable vise. I bought one. Really like it!!!
I’ll have to do that. Thank you?
Amazon for the vise?
Great Detail. Thank you! Question… how do you handle customer when killing plants? Do you offer replacements right from the start?
Yeah, pretty much. I’ve killed a few. I never argue. If they feel the plant(s) are toast, I say “Please let me know what I can do to help resolve the situation. I’ll stop at nothing to make it as right as I possibly can.”
Running 12% 3500 hp 4 gpm downstreaming 100ft hose is a safe for vinyl
@@williamlamendola-xi5eq Yes, that will work
Thanks learning a lot from you easily to understand the way you simplify
How do you determine SH percentages when using the different orifices wirh different gpm machines?
I determine it by the temperature. Sounds crazy but, when it’s cold I use the 1.8 because it’s more potent. When it’s warm I use the 2.1. And when it’s hot outside I use the 2.3
Where do you buy the replacement orifices?
Southside Equipment in Kentucky.
@@TheFreshRinse Thanks sir
any way to test the water to get an exact mix ratio? pH testing strips or something?
It’s a great question. I’m sure… but in the end, if it eliminates the organic growth, it’s strong enough. Still a great question.
Great information Mike!
A new channel?? Oh yea!!
Thank you good man!
For a 2.8 gpm pump do recommend a 2.3 if I am trying to get closest to that 1% mark?
You can go ad low as you want. A 1.8 will work. Probably a 1.8 would do great.
@@TheFreshRinse Would I get a higher or lower percentage if I went to a 2.3?
So I should stick with the 2.1 with my 5.5 gpm
Yes sir
I heard a rumor that you don't use surfactant on roof washs anymore? Is that true and why if it is? I am new to the game and have done to roof washes both was her fact that I'm wondering if the extra expense is necessary.
See for yourself!
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A good topic about DSI. I'm thinking about putting 2 DSI in parallel going into the same line to get higher concentrations. What is your opinion about the idea?
@@pedromatosmatos1767 Thank you sir. It won’t work. The first DSI will simply be pushing SH into the second DSI. I’d be interested in any report you may have. Try it. I might be wrong.
@@TheFreshRinse Mind you, I'm not saying one after the other. I'm saying on two separate lines where the final join is the same and the initial join is also the same. Does that make sense?
So for example you have an 8gpm 3500 psi machine, downstreaming with a 2.3 injector using a 12.5% mix. What roughly is the percentage you are throwing? I have a hard time understanding.
@@Swellist Without doing a draw test (using only my experience), you’re getting a little less than 1%. This is suitable for most situations in the summer months.
Great video. Does having downstream injector (any smaller than 2.3) on 8gpm machine put a big stress on the pump?
@@gvidasstankus5939 You should go no smaller than a 1.8 with an 8gpm machine. I wait until very cold weather to use a 1.8
@@TheFreshRinse but even using 2.1, there is nothing wrong in consideration to the pump since it’s restricting water flow that 8gpm pushes?
Hey Mike, where do you get your spare parts from like that little baggy?
@@FlawlessFinishSolutions I get all those parts for downstream injectors from Southside Equipment
5.5 comet pump with a 3 orfice in a super sud sucker is getting a 14:1. That with 12.5 sh gives 0.8% final.
Nice!!!
Confused. Can you use down streaming injector instead of a softwash system.
@@alanmachen9884 Downstreaming will only get you about 1%. Which is enough for most house washes. Not enough for roof cleaning.
YOO, FreshRinse!! Would the GPM and or hose size change the downstream ratio? Thanks for your time and help ✌🏾
@@bigdanish Both GPM and hose length will affect ratios. The lower the GPM and shorter the hose length will make the mix more potent.
@@TheFreshRinse 🙌🐐🐐🐐🙌thank you again!!
What size injector would you recommend for a 4gpm?
2.1 or 2.3
@@TheFreshRinse
Thank you for answering so many question.
Hey fresh 👋🏽 about what percent on the sh are you looking at on a 2.1 orifice used on a 8gpm?
@@jgon3717 probably .9
Would you say that a 10gpm would be too much? I'm thinking that a 10 could be quite versitile if configured properly: you can do both flatwork and house washing without having to jump around between different machines. Just thinking out loud.. let me know what you think
I love my 10, and use it from time to time for house washing. It’s a bit overkill. It can ware out your arms.
@@TheFreshRinse Yes, I can imagine with all of that power! Would you recommend using dedicated softwash systems for roofs/houses and just downstream for flatwork?
@@jonmitchell9213 I have an 8 for house washing, a 10 got flat work, an AR 45 for roofs and pretreatment and postreatment of concrete and a 12 volt for roof washing.
@@TheFreshRinse Awesome! Sounds like a solid set up
@@jonmitchell9213 I’m extremely minimalistic in my approach… yet efficient. No fancy knobs and switches. At 53, I just want to get the job done. Nothing very impressive.
What brand DS injectors do yoy buy? Does it matter the brand are the orfaces universal.
I have 2.1 GP injectors.
I buy GP
What plants were you killing? Tomato plants by chance? That's about the only thing I've had issues with
Nothing in particular. It’s just been so crazy dry.
How long will the M5 twist last? It’s oraficessss will enlarge as well
You are correct. I’m currently using last year’s. But I should probably update
What unloaders do you run?
VRT3
Are you running a half inch injector bypass off your 8gpm or is it all 3/8?
@@DiamondHandsDetailingLLC 3/8”
The orifices from there Not a dollar Each. They are 3.50 each Plus shipping. If you happen to find them anywhere for a dollar, let me know cause I need to buy some more. Thank
Prices increase all the time. I would encourage you to buy them at $3.50 as you can. $3.50 is the new $1.00
What's new channel called?
I’m not sure yet. In the works as we speak
It’ll never work, now it’ll take all day. You should use the 1.5 so you can soap and then rinse instantly 😂
Come to think of it, I have two machines. I should soap with one (1.5) and rinse with the other… at the same time!
@@TheFreshRinse why haven’t you been doing that all along
I’ve heard of guys that work that way, one guy soaps the other follows and rinses, (some guy up in CT maybe, LOL) my son and I just divee it up when we arrive, “ I’ve got near and rear, you do front and far”. As a solo act Fresh, you get to drag your two guns and hoses around and soap and rinse at the same time. Good luck not running out of water with an 8 and 10 sucking you dry at the same time. We run 2 6s and struggle to maintain water in the tank, or as Joe says, “chasing water”. Keep up the great work guys!
@@brianaird2193 I’m using the new waterless X12 hydroblaster 2.0.
@@brianaird2193 always chasing
Well, I am surprised that it took 3x to hit it to get that algae off which wasn't that bad..Too much time for me..But thanks for the video
2 times, not 3.
You’ll go back to the 2.1 😉
I believe I mentioned that I would on the really dirty houses, and when it’s cold.
@@TheFreshRinse yes….you did say that. I was thinking for you long term, 2.1 would be the go to injector for 8 gpm. I’ve tried 2.3 myself…..seems like longer wait times and more applications, but that’s me. Thanks for the videos, their great.
@@simplycleanpressurewashing758 2.1 seems more legit, in my opinion. I agree.
2.3 works gtreat above 70 for sure
Yes. You are correct.
I would rather put a slightly stronger mix down and not have a call back
Perhaps you missed the first minute of the video. LOL
@UtahPressureWashing LOL
@@TheFreshRinseI'm extra careful w plants and just really make
Sure to pre rinse; post rinse, and rinse rinse the plants 🤣
@@jayslo914 I should consider doing that. LOL
@UtahPressureWashing😅
At 2:38 you messed up and said you're changing from a 2.1 to a 1.8 whereas you were supposed to change to the 2.3
I hate myself so much right now already!
Maybe you killed the plants like I did that one time on a house because I forgot that I did not switch my down the stream injector back to rinse 🤣🤣🤣🤣 talk about a big "oops"
I’ve done that before with my AR45. Big mistake
Did a similar thing when prepping to wash a deck and started by wetting down the white cedar siding 🤦♂️
Fortunately the owners liked the "fresh" look they got along the back of the house. They even asked for a price to do the whole thing 💪
@@deadfishporter I forget all the time to pre-wet fences that bump up against the house.
@@TheFreshRinse I'm glad I'm not the only one with a sieve for a brain 🤦♂️
Why can't they make an injector that pulls a 50/50 mix? Is it a scam? Thank you Fresh rinse
@@TheGravygun You are quite welcome my friend!