It really depends who it spawns next to you. It spawned Gorgo and Mvembe next to me, which means I was constantly fighting a losing battle all the way up until the modern era where I finally managed to counter Kongo's boosted troops and conquer a couple of cities to rock him onto his back foot, by which time I was actually behind the Greeks on the space rush. Still winnable - Gorgo got the first satellite, but I did a population rush and builder spam and still got the win - but there was never an opportunity for a full war footing strategy.
The Mayan has a few bonuses that make them tough to conquer: - *Lady Six Sky's* ability: _"Ix Mutal Ajaw"_ grants +5 Combat Strength to all her units within 6 tiles of her Capital city. - The *Hul'Che* is a unique Archer with an extra +3 Combat Strength (25 → 28) that enjoy +5 Ranged Strength against wounded opponent (just like Tomyris' ability). In short, Ursa has to deal with 33 Ranged Strength unique Archer, that goes to 38 against wounded units. Basically, it is almost like dealing with *Crossbowmen* in the ancient era.
Fun fact, if you shift enter every turn after the first 3 techs, you can pool up science indefinitely. Its annoying to do, but very powerful. By the time you're at late game techs you can have enough unspent science sitting around to 1-turn maybe 2/3rds of the future era.
Agree with you that in Domination games it is usually better to just conquer Wonders rather than build them. However, there are a few Wonders that are exceptionally powerful for Babylon and are worth building yourself: 1.The Great Library. Receives boost to all Ancient and Classical era technologies. Receive a random tech boost after another player recruits a Great Scientist. This results in a lot of free technologies for Babylon. 2. Mausoleum at Halicarnassus. The extra Great Engineer charges are always welcome, but for Babylon this one allows Leonardo Da Vinci to provide 2 free Modern Era technologies rather than 1. 3. Ruhr Valley. Provides a ton of production which helps produce those high tech units. Also, by building it you will get the Eureka for Flight. You will also likely unlock it early. Yes, I see that you are building this one. 4. Oxford University. Yes, I know that you hate it. But the two free technologies are really powerful. Especially, because it usually arrives right when you are unlocking the Modern Era and Atomic Era techs.
I agree that -50% science is painful, but i still think laboratories at medieval era are enough to win science game before anyone even opens laboratories
-50% Science is a double-edge sword. As it is a "per city" malus, any subsequent percentage based bonus/malus are made stronger. For example: Unhappy (-20% yield) vs Happy (+10%) on a 100 Science city. - Unhappy (-20%) put the city at -70% (-50% + -20%). So the Science goes from 100 to 60, which is -40% overall (100 being 50% of 200). - Happy (+10%) put the city at -40% (-50% + +10%). So the Science goes from 100 to 120, which is +20% overall. If you are not careful about your Amenity and go all the way to -7 Amenities, you will face a -40% malus, putting all cities to -90% Science. Basically, yielding almost no Science at all. Really, you really have to focus on Amenity and many bonuses that increases Science in percentage on city calculation. Like Kilwa Kisiwani, Amundsen-Scott Research Station or Taruga City State. I don't know about Geneva though (is it a global or per city bonus?).
@@chinmayhejmadi7902 It is because the starting Science is 200, which is reduced to 100 with the initial -50% modifier. So you would think -20% would apply to that 100, so you will have 80 Science, but it is not. It is not -50% then -20%. The -20% applies additionally on the -50% (therefore -70%) on the 200 starting Science, which remove 140 Science and leave only 60 Science. It demonstrate that modifier are twice as powerful on Science with Babylon. So we have to be careful about it.
I was excited about this scenario, then I easily destroyed it and realized its the most low effort scenario in history. Hamurabi. Shuffle map. Tech Shuffle. Science win. After last months Julius Ceaser scenario this one was a HUGE disappointment.
This. Also I was having fun seeing how fast I could win the Caeser challenge, I got it down to 35 turns but wish I could give it a few more tries to see if I could improve it. Wish they would archive them so they could be played at a later date.
@@randallstephens971 I don't ever play scenarios because when I feel like playing A Scenario I'm looking for a short uncomplicated game, and then the scenarios have different mechanics/tech trees, when what I'm looking for is more a short quick game with a set goal... like these monthly challenges! I found a mod that adds Robot Revolution as a scenario but it would be nice to have an official archive :(
I had a similar pay through with this. Had Spain to my north, chose settler pantheon, forward settled them, mass built all sorts of units and took them out early. Allowed me to settle freely, ally the 4 remaining civs, and cruised to a science vic.
A tip for Babylon is to build more commercial hubs and habours than you normally would. Building those advanced units with production takes too long, but if you get enough gold to do a timing push you can just steamroll the whole map.
Now I want to load up a Babylon game and do the Ranger/Spec Ops rush. Sometimes you can get highly promoted Rangers in the classical era, and then camouflaged Spec Ops not long after.
Hello, After this video, as the development team of Civ 6, we have decided to disable the ability of the player to declare wars on AI. Thank you for giving this to our attention, Best regards, Dev team
I think the Babylon free techs being restricted to the era the world is currently in (and just give 50% boost for other eras) would make them still great fun to play, and keep the gimmick, but a bit more reasonable. Theyre just so ludicrously OP.
Another option would be that the tech gets boosted by 50% and you can hard research it, or wait for the era to tick over. Once it ticks over, any techs you have boosted will automatically unlock for that era. Probably still too broken if implemented in this way though, it just means you have to wait a little bit before getting the thing you want.
This is quite the demonstration of how different war looks like when a skilled deity wizard moves down to emperor. I don’t think I’ve ever seen any of these monthly challenges before. How do you get this?
I feel like you just aren't focusing enough on a particular unit. Babylon gets its first big power spike from getting a unit no one else has and upgrading a big batch of existing units into them. MAA/muskets, pikemen, rangers, crossbows are all good options. I thought you were going for a MAA/Musket rush with your initial unit production, but you threw a lot of those units away for little gain. If I were on the map and had your start, I'd try for MAA, then seeing the lack of iron, tried to get Muskets with Mercenaries before rolling Maya.
This has got to be the most disappointing of the Firaxis challenges. It isn't even a curated map. They literally just let us roll for a map. Please, Firaxis, I'm fine with easy challenges, but at least put some time in selecting a map for us.
The other maps weren't, I particularly enjoyed the different takes people tried on the extreme apocalypse Canada game... Altho this randomness makes this challenge replayable!
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To be fair, you are guaranteed to win the space race if no one else will ever manage to participate
Space is all for me
i just did a plane rush and absolutely obliterated anyone who made more science than me.
renaissance era biplanes go hard
It really depends who it spawns next to you. It spawned Gorgo and Mvembe next to me, which means I was constantly fighting a losing battle all the way up until the modern era where I finally managed to counter Kongo's boosted troops and conquer a couple of cities to rock him onto his back foot, by which time I was actually behind the Greeks on the space rush.
Still winnable - Gorgo got the first satellite, but I did a population rush and builder spam and still got the win - but there was never an opportunity for a full war footing strategy.
The Mayan has a few bonuses that make them tough to conquer:
- *Lady Six Sky's* ability: _"Ix Mutal Ajaw"_ grants +5 Combat Strength to all her units within 6 tiles of her Capital city.
- The *Hul'Che* is a unique Archer with an extra +3 Combat Strength (25 → 28) that enjoy +5 Ranged Strength against wounded opponent (just like Tomyris' ability).
In short, Ursa has to deal with 33 Ranged Strength unique Archer, that goes to 38 against wounded units. Basically, it is almost like dealing with *Crossbowmen* in the ancient era.
Luckily, Babylon can get actual crossbows in the ancient era too
Yeah... we all play the game dude. Wrote that whole comment to tell us all what we already know
Well only some of us, I for one am still researching Writing with no army to protect my borders at turn 50.
Fun fact, if you shift enter every turn after the first 3 techs, you can pool up science indefinitely. Its annoying to do, but very powerful. By the time you're at late game techs you can have enough unspent science sitting around to 1-turn maybe 2/3rds of the future era.
tedious but amazing
Thats hilarious
Agree with you that in Domination games it is usually better to just conquer Wonders rather than build them. However, there are a few Wonders that are exceptionally powerful for Babylon and are worth building yourself:
1.The Great Library. Receives boost to all Ancient and Classical era technologies. Receive a random tech boost after another player recruits a Great Scientist. This results in a lot of free technologies for Babylon.
2. Mausoleum at Halicarnassus. The extra Great Engineer charges are always welcome, but for Babylon this one allows Leonardo Da Vinci to provide 2 free Modern Era technologies rather than 1.
3. Ruhr Valley. Provides a ton of production which helps produce those high tech units. Also, by building it you will get the Eureka for Flight. You will also likely unlock it early. Yes, I see that you are building this one.
4. Oxford University. Yes, I know that you hate it. But the two free technologies are really powerful. Especially, because it usually arrives right when you are unlocking the Modern Era and Atomic Era techs.
I was with you till point 4 - how dare you
You know ursa not playing seriously when he throws horseman with promotion to die to take capital one turn earlier
Building the knight instead of grabbing a readily available meteor was the next sign.
£595 - The only way the developers wanted you to play was by building the University of Sankore.
Ursa making his capital so plump it has to be called FLABALON
Just Palgum issues
Love your videos Ursa! Hope your having an amazing day
You too!
I agree that -50% science is painful, but i still think laboratories at medieval era are enough to win science game before anyone even opens laboratories
-50% Science is a double-edge sword. As it is a "per city" malus, any subsequent percentage based bonus/malus are made stronger. For example: Unhappy (-20% yield) vs Happy (+10%) on a 100 Science city.
- Unhappy (-20%) put the city at -70% (-50% + -20%). So the Science goes from 100 to 60, which is -40% overall (100 being 50% of 200).
- Happy (+10%) put the city at -40% (-50% + +10%). So the Science goes from 100 to 120, which is +20% overall.
If you are not careful about your Amenity and go all the way to -7 Amenities, you will face a -40% malus, putting all cities to -90% Science. Basically, yielding almost no Science at all.
Really, you really have to focus on Amenity and many bonuses that increases Science in percentage on city calculation. Like Kilwa Kisiwani, Amundsen-Scott Research Station or Taruga City State. I don't know about Geneva though (is it a global or per city bonus?).
@@Clemehl I'm confused, why does -70% of 100 become 60 instead of 30 (or 40, if we apply the maluses separately, -50% first, -20% after that)
@@chinmayhejmadi7902 It is because the starting Science is 200, which is reduced to 100 with the initial -50% modifier.
So you would think -20% would apply to that 100, so you will have 80 Science, but it is not. It is not -50% then -20%.
The -20% applies additionally on the -50% (therefore -70%) on the 200 starting Science, which remove 140 Science and leave only 60 Science.
It demonstrate that modifier are twice as powerful on Science with Babylon. So we have to be careful about it.
@@Clemehl Ahhh I get it now!
I was excited about this scenario, then I easily destroyed it and realized its the most low effort scenario in history. Hamurabi. Shuffle map. Tech Shuffle. Science win.
After last months Julius Ceaser scenario this one was a HUGE disappointment.
This. Also I was having fun seeing how fast I could win the Caeser challenge, I got it down to 35 turns but wish I could give it a few more tries to see if I could improve it. Wish they would archive them so they could be played at a later date.
@@randallstephens971 I don't ever play scenarios because when I feel like playing A Scenario I'm looking for a short uncomplicated game, and then the scenarios have different mechanics/tech trees, when what I'm looking for is more a short quick game with a set goal... like these monthly challenges! I found a mod that adds Robot Revolution as a scenario but it would be nice to have an official archive :(
Emperor mode (licks lips in anticipation of the carnage)
I had a similar pay through with this. Had Spain to my north, chose settler pantheon, forward settled them, mass built all sorts of units and took them out early. Allowed me to settle freely, ally the 4 remaining civs, and cruised to a science vic.
A tip for Babylon is to build more commercial hubs and habours than you normally would. Building those advanced units with production takes too long, but if you get enough gold to do a timing push you can just steamroll the whole map.
Now I want to load up a Babylon game and do the Ranger/Spec Ops rush. Sometimes you can get highly promoted Rangers in the classical era, and then camouflaged Spec Ops not long after.
do it!
st. jude ad had me wrecked, support those kids yall
Babylon games are so fun to watch
Hello,
After this video, as the development team of Civ 6, we have decided to disable the ability of the player to declare wars on AI.
Thank you for giving this to our attention,
Best regards,
Dev team
When I tried this challenge, my nearest neighbor was New Kongo, whose capital was eight tiles from mine. Not fun.
oh finaly , the strongest sience country
Science is very aggressive.
the pen is mightier than the sword
I think the Babylon free techs being restricted to the era the world is currently in (and just give 50% boost for other eras) would make them still great fun to play, and keep the gimmick, but a bit more reasonable. Theyre just so ludicrously OP.
Another option would be that the tech gets boosted by 50% and you can hard research it, or wait for the era to tick over. Once it ticks over, any techs you have boosted will automatically unlock for that era.
Probably still too broken if implemented in this way though, it just means you have to wait a little bit before getting the thing you want.
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earliest bear!
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I won a science victory 1 city and no science challenge. Only relying on boosts as Babylon on deity
For your next youtuber vs youtuber video you should try to get as many achievements as possible in a single run, all game modes.
This is quite the demonstration of how different war looks like when a skilled deity wizard moves down to emperor.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen any of these monthly challenges before. How do you get this?
early bear eraly bear :D
UNLMITED POWAHHH
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Finally a game where ai isnt a century ahead on babylon xd
I just beat my first match of deity, and I did it as Babylon. Talk about a coincidence
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Ursa you should do world conquest starting warrior only¿!
If you had promoted your units none woulf have died and the conquering would have been so much easier...
Still interesting challenge
game was over by turn 1
Year 600 bc industrialization
I feel like you just aren't focusing enough on a particular unit. Babylon gets its first big power spike from getting a unit no one else has and upgrading a big batch of existing units into them. MAA/muskets, pikemen, rangers, crossbows are all good options. I thought you were going for a MAA/Musket rush with your initial unit production, but you threw a lot of those units away for little gain. If I were on the map and had your start, I'd try for MAA, then seeing the lack of iron, tried to get Muskets with Mercenaries before rolling Maya.
I was balancing a unit rush with overall economic boost - I successfully achieved neither
Ursa playing on Emporer? You having a laugh? I'm anticipating a fairly short series..
27:20 Where is Ik-Kil ? 😆
I honestly despise babylon bc they throw off the balance of the early game. Is there a way to exclude them from the random pool of leaders?
Yes, you can build up to 2 random lists of leaders to use when setting up a game
Play Persia and siege Jerussalem 🗿
I can't motivate myself to play those challenges. When you're used to deity every other difficulty ist just like beating up a baby. It's no fun.
Where is the crusade religion?
Can anyone ever get enough Babylon? Such dumb fun!
will ursa get a religion this game? hmm
Early bears, assemble!
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This has got to be the most disappointing of the Firaxis challenges. It isn't even a curated map. They literally just let us roll for a map. Please, Firaxis, I'm fine with easy challenges, but at least put some time in selecting a map for us.
i quite like the randomness - appeals to my sense of fun = )
Im going to enjoy the moment you discover that the emperor AI doesnt really make wonders all that quickly. Or gold, improvements and yields 😂
it certainly was a delight to behold
Playing Babylon is for when you want the AI to play on hard mode.
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hmm i have a different map, how odd
it's a random roll
The other maps weren't, I particularly enjoyed the different takes people tried on the extreme apocalypse Canada game... Altho this randomness makes this challenge replayable!
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