Every interaction with these cast members makes me feel so much more excited about the show. We know the writing staff are fans of the source but seeing the actors who weren't embracing it is heartwarming. Here, hearing Rose talk about RJs love of dance and interpreting it into channeling movements is amazing. I still have like half a week and am trying so hard to not get too hyped up because I don't want to be disappointed again; but I am hyped. Let's go!
The writers were not fans of the source or they wouldn't have "fixed" everything so poorly. They aren't good writers, I suspect they aren't good readers either.
And the characters too! Its so nice to see that they didn't just approach this as another job. You can tell they understand the characters they are playing and its so lovely to see.
@@dragoonseye76 Didn't need to adapt a series that has sold 100 million copies and has been translated into 25 different languages. It won't make it past season 1.
Even thinking about watching this show brings tears to my eyes, I just love this story soo much and seeing it come to life is going to be magical for soo many of us. Thank you all so much!
Well casting is fine, but the writing is just utterly bad and most of the time its totally missing the source material and characters and how they are depicted. Writers didn't read the source material or then they did not understand any of it. Much of great things in the show but as an adaptation it's just bad...
So excited for this! Over the last 25 years of reading and rereading these books I honestly thought no one would ever be able to bring it to the screen. I am so happy.
I loved how he said there should be a wheel of time university lol. Makes me think a step further and with for a wheel of time theme park or medieval fair.
He's one book short of that though, which means he may not have known about how literal his statement was, the statement of being near the top of the mountain and how the view is incredible.
"Rand" means "circle" or "ring" in this context in Dutch. I assume the origin is the same as the word "round" in English. The Randstad is a ring of the biggest cities in the Netherlands. Most cities also have a "randweg" which is a roughly circular road that leads around the city so all the traffic doesn't go right through it.
The One Power is described a lot as a fluid/river/torrent, but the nature of how women interact with Saidar vs. man with Saidin gives them their distinctions. Women flow and weave this magic, they surrender to it and ride the current, while men fight *against* raging torrent or fight an avalanche. I will be so interested to see how each user shows this dynamic.
all 3 Episodes were great. I like the adaptation so far only regret was baerlon was cut from the show. In baerlon Rand first time meet Min that was cut sadly but Thom's entry is better in this adaptation than books imo. eagerly looking forward to see next 5 episodes
@@amys0482 I guess Rand will meet Min in Fal Dara in episode 7. Very short interaction with Rand will happen just like the eye of the world book. Different place but same circumstance. This is just a speculation.
yes min is in 2 episode in the first season. elyane will appear in season 2. they decided to push the caemlyn visit to season 2 along with baerlon. practically it would have been to rushed in the allotted time to be able to really feel like a seamless transition from location to location
I started reading the books in my little village in ireland back in the 90's I finished the last book in 2013 when i was just leaving the british army after my last tour in afghanistan I loved the series that started in my early teens to end in my mid 30's I am enjoying the series at the moment on prime however I know they can't make the series exactly like the book i have just finished episode 4 i am looking forward to the others each friday
Haha, great to know that I am also living in Rand City. Much love from Rotterdam, The Netherlands! I was skeptical first when I heard about the TV-series, but the more I hear and see, the more I am confident this will be a spectacular journey.
Also, as you know, "rand" (in Dutch) can connote other meanings: edge, rim, and border, for example. Lan is from the Borderlands, so he has a connection too, that way.
I’m quite tickled by the anecdotes about the trolloc stuntmen slipping mid-fight scene and then being helped back onto their feet/hooves by Daniel Henney’s Lan, and Bela’s portrayer Archie being such a gassy scene-ruiner. 😆
Those first few frames of Lan entering the inn make him look more like my head cannon Myrdraal than the actual Myrdraal. I do think that they look all right but man if all of this had been kept under wraps I might have thought that was who entered for a few seconds!
I think that is actually the point of having him look like that. My money is on them mentioning seeing the hooded figure to each other, and then he shows up like that at night and scares the piss out of them, lmao.
At a first glance, they got it almost right. Especially the future Marshal-General Cauthon :) Rand is fine, Perrin is fine, Nynaeve is fine, no objections to Moiraine and Lan. Just not sure about Egwene. This could have been better but no biggie.
I have similar feelings. I'm not 100% sold on Egwene just yet either. Rand's casting is another one, but he's decent enough. As far as looks are concerned, he's certainly pretty. I wish his hair was longer, but that's just a irrelevant nitpick of mine. I think over time, they'll probably grow into their roles. I am absolutely loving Lan, Moiraine and Nynaeve's casting. I also love Barney Harris (Mat Cauthon), so I'm pretty concerned over his recasting after this season Hopefully Dónal Finn will do a great job though, but it's definitely going to be jarring, at least in the beginning.
Since the wheel keeps turning and long after an age is forgotten it comes again. I just view this show as another turning of the wheel. The general story is the same, but the details change.
Bravo to everyone involved with bringing The WOT to visual media in the right way. I am very surprised that everyone has done such excellent work on several things. The good things so far: 1) No spoilers 2) Staying true to the vision of Jordan to slowly reveal the world.. 3) Having no ego driven actors. Things I am concerned about: 1) Keeping ego driven producers and directors from trying to flavor the story with their own chem driven idiocy. 2) Keeping everyone involved to keep their mouths shut when it comes to spoilers. 3) Return to 1 and 2. Things that have me very curious as a fan of the books. 1) Who are the actors playing the "F"? Answer: I don't want to know the answer to that. As the 'F" are revealed,... it was a way the books unfolded.... and made it awesome. Best of things to you all.
What are you talking about? Not too many Changes? Perrin has a wife who specifically doesn't love him who he kills. A woman can be the dragon for some reason? Mens arrogance led to the dark one being released? Egwene and rand bang? They're literally teasing a romance angle with Perrin and egwene. There's no baerlorn. Tom doesn't have a patchwork cloke. The character stuff is what hits the most. They didn't need to she them up and all of the character dynamics are completely butchered. Nynaeve was adopted for some reason? Non of this is necessary. At all. Amazon have Judd 11,000 studio notes just for the pilot.
Sorry if spoilers... But I can’t help imagining - what would Josha feel how to show the book 12.. especially the end of book 12... like, Golden veins is my favorite moment of all series 🙃
Is it stupid to be affraid and also stressed about this series? I am a lifelong fan of the fantasy genre, but also the series means a lot more than just a series to me. It has increadible presence and importance to me and always has been my entire teenage/adult life. I started reading the books when I was 13 (when they first published in my country) and I don't even remember how many re-reads done at this point. Even my entire online persona is named after my favourite character from the series. So no, to be absoltely honest I'm not excited to watch the show tomorrow. More like I'm terrified. And I know it sounds stupid.
Don't know what happened to.matt but it's a shame we can't have any interview with him something bad must of happened to not let him do any interview that sucks cuz he is a great character!
My one major complaint is that it seems that the parents of the boys has been majorly change. Matt’s dad was the best house trader in the Two Rivers and was also a honest man NOT a drunk. Also the conversation between Rand and his father after the first attack when he was hallucinating and talk about finding his on the mountain was left out which played a major,plot role.
Wait till episode 8 for complaints.... lots there... for all the simple mistakes and waste of time scenes, the ending killed the season for me. Ugh....
Anyone else find it incredibly awkward that Barney Harris,, who plays Matt Cauthon, was not here, and his entire contribution to the show is not acknowledged at all? It's incredibly shameful that no one mentions him.
@@undead.rising It’s very likely that Barney Harris’s reason for departure is something very serious and personal that he had no control over, like a health crisis. In that case, it’s not shaming him to leave him out, it’s a respectful decision to give him privacy and space while he’s dealing with something challenging.
It's not "incredibly shameful" to respect his privacy.The rest of us don't find it "incredibly awkward" that every interview has not included all the major members of the cast.
Min is Kae Alexander, she's already on season one, most fans believe they'll be Lanfear and Verin (but I think Aviendha is going to be on season two too)
@@madelinekouassi9884 they never went public to explain why so its unknown and we may never get an answer to that unless his replacement is so bad that fans rebel.
I do wish they hadn't changed some of the gendered aspects of the show. I think it's really important that the dragon reborn must be a man because it has such a massive impact on the way the politics of the white tower work out. Having the power split between the sexes with the insane power struggle that came with that seems such an important detail to the story to change.
If you watch past the first few episodes, they didn’t change the fact that the Power is split, or many of the underpinnings of the magic system that I can see other than the specific detail that the Dragon is known from the start to be a man in the books. Which is a change you don’t have to like, but also won’t matter at all in the long term, since they’ve been clear that who the Dragon is has not changed from the books, and all the signs are there. For me, I don’t mind the change, in part because I honestly felt that the Dragon needing to be a man was a plot hole or a failure of imagination on the part of Robert Jordan in the books. Don’t get me wrong, I adore the books, but that was one piece that always felt out of place to me thematically. The whole narrative of the WoT sets up this yin-yang between men and women where neither is greater or lesser, and they can be different and still support one another. But it’s odd, because the books go to so much trouble to set up gender equality as a driving theme, and then they also say that the messiah figure in this universe, the most powerful channeler must always, always be a man? It felt out of place, like a sort of “Yes, men and women are equal and saidin and saidar are equal even though they’re different, but men are more muscular in real life so even in this fantasy world using a power that is not physical, they must be STRONK.” Honestly it diminished saidar for me and made the Wheel feel imbalanced, that only a wielder of saidin could ever be the most powerful channeler, and that even casual saidin wielders are generally more powerful. I know Robert Jordan said some mealy mouthed stuff about how women are more skillful with their weaves even if they’re less powerful, or whatever, but let’s be real: the messiah figure always being a man tilts the book universe in favor of saidin being more important, and undercuts the yin-yang concept. I get that it raises the stakes for the Dragon to be a man, but I don’t see why it HAS to be a man for the fear of the Dragon’s rebirth to be there. After all, you’re still talking a 50-50 chance for the most powerful person on Earth to be doomed to madness, which I don’t consider enough better than a 100% chance to be at all comforting. If anything, it might just contribute to the prejudice against a male Dragon for the Dragon to possibly be female, because certain characters might assume that whether the Dragon is male or female is what will determine whether they save or break the world. Anyway, that’s just my take: if you’re attached to the book’s interpretation where the most powerful character absolutely must be a man, that part of this adaptation will rub you the wrong way. But not much else has changed with the magic system, if that makes it any better for you.
@@melanie_13172 I mean the Dragon needing to be male isn't really a pot hole at all. Its a pretty well laid out part of the story. The entire background with the male part being tainted by the dark lord as a final strike against Lews Therin and Lews Therin shattering the world in his grief sets a tension in the story for every single person to be scared of any male channeling. I also think the power of the male vs female channelers was carefully planned out. Individual male channelers are on average quite a bit stronger, but they aren't able to link like Female channelers are. This means a tower of all male channelers would struggle against a tower of female channelers as groups of 13 would be able instantly shield or sever any male channeler without any chance for resistance. The point isn't that the dragon is supposed to be the most powerful character, its that everyone knows he is going to go mad and destroy the world (in what is assumed to be a similar fashion to Lews Therin) and yet he is the only chance of defeating the dark one. That tension between him being terrible for the world and yet being the only chance the world has is super important, you just wouldn't have that with a female channeler. A super powerful female channeler is going to be revered like the Amyrlin seat so you just wouldn't get that internal good/evil conflict. Its also important that the Dragon is a man because he needs to have no one to teach him how to use his power. That's another major conflict point that is super important imo.
@@grantwilliams630 I wrote a whole thoughtful response and then TH-cam crashed, alas. To recreate as well as I can remember: I completely see where you’re coming from. Narratively, yes I agree that the Dragon in this age needs to be a man for the reasons you state, and it’s very good that they are not changing that. My perspective is more that in the canon of the universe, I don’t see why it has to be a forgone conclusion that the Dragon is always and in all ages a man. Particularly because the main reason people fear the Dragon, the taint on saidin, is actually a pretty recent development in terms of the scope of how many ages the Dragon has been reincarnated in. It would seem to better balance saidar and saidin, to me, if there’s at least the possibility that in ages long past a woman broke the world and tainted saidar, and that cycle is repeating itself and playing out slightly differently again and again and again. And even if that can’t be the case, and the Dragon does have to be a man, it would also make sense to me in universe for some of the characters to believe that a figure as important as the Dragon couldn’t possibly be a man, because of the prejudices women hold against men who can channel. Or that they would fear a female Dragon because they’re worried that she might “finish the job” and taint the other half of the Power. Idk, basically I think there’s plenty of ways that the narrative can still work with this possibility left open, and that Jordan could have explored. As for your point about women being the only characters who can link, I don’t disagree with anything you said about it but I also didn’t love that part of the book canon lol. The same way that men being per se stronger felt a little like a lazy “men strong” stereotype, only women being able to link felt like it was saying in some way “women are good at making connections with one another and men just aren’t, so only women can link.” Which again, felt like a lazy stereotype that diminishes the depth of the bonds that men can form with other people, and that they form with one another in the books. I found some of the ways saidar and saidin differed to be interesting and engaging and cool, but the strength disparity and the linking disparity seemed like they took the magic system in a weird direction to make a questionable point about gender, to me. So basically I agree with you that that is how the books are, but you named another of my least favorite parts of the magic system so I don’t feel all that attached to it.
@@melanie_13172 This is such a perfect encapsulation of how I feel about WOT, and it speaks explicitly to an inherent bias in the author that is antithetical to the themes in the text. I can understand the reasoning for why it has to be a man, and I accept that in that universe the explanation of why it is a man, but I think the execution and the hermeneutics is lazy. Like you said, it's out of place, for all the reasons you mention above. The WOT universe works so hard to establish the rules and functions of how that world operates and then it contradicts and undercuts all of it by making the prophecy be phallocentric. The fear that it is a male channeler is absolutely warranted but I always felt that the prophecy itself should've been genderless.
Caemlyn is in season 2. hope it transition well to the screen but we do lose out on prob one of the most memorable iconic scenes of all time in the entire series with rand climbing the wall and and seeing logain for the first time.
Maybe it's just because I grew up on these books, or maybe it's just because I own the official art book where Robert Jordan clearly lays out the character's appearances, but this is THE worst casting I could possibly imagine. I hate Amazon with every fiber of my being for ruining this.
You mean just like every single other casting of a book to movie character in history? That never stopped any shows success...not now, not ever. Keep reading buddy, no ones forcing you to watch..
If you can’t hear this Perrin pause on everything he says, or hear the hunger in this Egwene, or hear the struggle in this Nynawve. Then only looks matter to you, and this book series wasn’t meant for you.
That entrance of Morgaine and Lan into the Inn is HORRIBLE. The music is overwrought and they would NEVER make that big dramatic entrance. I hope the music does NOT continue to tell you how to feel through the rest of it or I will abandon this. PLEASE don't be like the David Lynch DUNE. LEARN from the music of the 2021 DUNE. And stop TRYING to make it EPIC. Just tell the story and it will be Epic.
lol yeah some of those camera shots seem to have been more focused on her mole than anything else in the scenes. dead center screen and zoomed in so close part of her head and chin didnt even fit in the shot...weird choice to shoot a scene imo
Have you really read the books? Hard to believe, given the intro.The Dragon Reborn, always male, cannot be female. The whole underpinning of the tale is that the male half of the one power was tainted causing the breaking of the world, hence the search for him (not she or he)
You don’t have to like this change, but on the bright side it won’t matter at all in the long term, since they’ve been clear that who the Dragon is has not changed from the books, and all the signs are there. For me, I don’t mind the change, in part because I honestly felt that the Dragon needing to be a man was a plot hole or a failure of imagination on the part of Robert Jordan in the books. Don’t get me wrong, I adore the books, but that was one piece that always felt out of place to me thematically. The whole narrative of the WoT sets up this yin-yang between men and women where neither is greater or lesser, and they can be different and still support one another. But it’s odd, because the books go to so much trouble to set up gender equality as a driving theme, and then they also say that the messiah figure in this universe, the most powerful channeler must always, always be a man? It felt out of place, like a sort of “Yes, men and women are equal and saidin and saidar are equal even though they’re different, but men are more muscular in real life so even in this fantasy world using a power that is not physical, they must be STRONK.” Honestly it diminished saidar for me and made the Wheel feel imbalanced, that only a wielder of saidin could ever be the most powerful channeler, and that even casual saidin wielders are generally more powerful. I know Robert Jordan said some mealy mouthed stuff about how women are more skillful with their weaves even if they’re less powerful, or whatever, but let’s be real: the messiah figure always being a man tilts the book universe in favor of saidin being more important, and undercuts the yin-yang concept. I get that it raises the stakes for the Dragon to be a man, but I don’t see why it HAS to be a man for the fear of the Dragon’s rebirth to be there. After all, you’re still talking a 50-50 chance for the most powerful person on Earth to be doomed to madness, which I don’t consider enough better than a 100% chance to be at all comforting. If anything, it might just contribute to the prejudice against a male Dragon for the Dragon to possibly be female, because certain characters might assume that whether the Dragon is male or female is what will determine whether they save or break the world. Anyway, that’s just my take: if you’re attached to the book’s interpretation where the most powerful character absolutely must be a man, that part of this adaptation will rub you the wrong way. But not much else has changed with the magic system, if that makes it any better for you.
Robert Jordan is rolling in his grave at this travesty. How can you take a story that has sold over 100 million copies and been translated into 25 languages and throw all of it out the window. So so disappointed with this. I don't think any of the cast has actually read the series.
Seem like nice people, but this show is an abomination. This is not Wheel of Time. None of these a writers are fans of the series, they are fans of how easily they could turn it into a vessel for their ideology
guessing you havent read the books at all. i honestly had a concern for this when they released this in 2021 in the age of ''men bad'' that that fact alone would be so much more emphasized and to non readers would correlate current political climate to this series when in actuality it was written like this decades ago. Because of that i feel they made a bad decision to cut the breaking of the world from being the first thing you see and instead put in liandrin and the red ajah which are notoriously known for their disdain for men. anyone who dont know the actual story will 100% assume they are pandering to current toxic Ideology.
Between this and Dune, my childhood dreams have been granted. I am utterly stoked to watch this.
Snap, my dad got me into this in 1992- its surreal that this is happening!
I’m so glad that dune was good
Interestingly wot took a ton of stuff from Dune
No no no
Show sucks. It's an abomination. It is Dune 1984 WoT style
I love hearing their real accents! American, Australian, Kiwi, Dutch, and two different British accents. 😊
I like Rosamund's answers. Nice, complete, deep answers.
Every interaction with these cast members makes me feel so much more excited about the show. We know the writing staff are fans of the source but seeing the actors who weren't embracing it is heartwarming. Here, hearing Rose talk about RJs love of dance and interpreting it into channeling movements is amazing. I still have like half a week and am trying so hard to not get too hyped up because I don't want to be disappointed again; but I am hyped. Let's go!
The writers were not fans of the source or they wouldn't have "fixed" everything so poorly. They aren't good writers, I suspect they aren't good readers either.
Never read the books, in fact I stumbled on the show two days ago & watched to episode 3 already, love it
If you read the books you would be disappointed.
I love how deep the cast has understood the world
And the characters too! Its so nice to see that they didn't just approach this as another job. You can tell they understand the characters they are playing and its so lovely to see.
@MelloWattz I disagree. They did a great job adapting the book. And I have read that series about 5 times
@@dragoonseye76 Didn't need to adapt a series that has sold 100 million copies and has been translated into 25 different languages. It won't make it past season 1.
@@voidcaller2963 They are already in the middle of shooting S2
Even thinking about watching this show brings tears to my eyes, I just love this story soo much and seeing it come to life is going to be magical for soo many of us. Thank you all so much!
They fucked it up
Brought tears of rage and shame to my eyes too.
I Love this cast so much, especially Josha and the others who are reading the books. 😀
yeh they all came across here as great people. cant wait to see them bring a story to life :))
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I love the casting. I love everything about the production. Get ready World. This is about to be the next great thing.
Well casting is fine, but the writing is just utterly bad and most of the time its totally missing the source material and characters and how they are depicted. Writers didn't read the source material or then they did not understand any of it. Much of great things in the show but as an adaptation it's just bad...
LOL turns out the casting was as shite as real WOT fans knew it would be.
@@stellen11 can't argue. Never been so disappointed in my life. I had high hopes. I wish they had never made it.
So excited for this! Over the last 25 years of reading and rereading these books I honestly thought no one would ever be able to bring it to the screen. I am so happy.
This needs 2b animated 2 do it justice
Rand actor on reading the books "A great climb and I'm almost at the top of.... Everest". He should have said Dragonmount 🤣 totally missed opportunity
I loved how he said there should be a wheel of time university lol. Makes me think a step further and with for a wheel of time theme park or medieval fair.
He's one book short of that though, which means he may not have known about how literal his statement was, the statement of being near the top of the mountain and how the view is incredible.
Dune and a Wheel of Time adaptation in the same year. Gotta say I'm enjoying 2021 much more than 2020, personally.
"Rand" means "circle" or "ring" in this context in Dutch. I assume the origin is the same as the word "round" in English. The Randstad is a ring of the biggest cities in the Netherlands.
Most cities also have a "randweg" which is a roughly circular road that leads around the city so all the traffic doesn't go right through it.
Just adding context, in German Rand means edge or boundary. :)
I don't Moraine or Daniel could have been cast better. I think the rest of the cast seems really strong so far too!
Excited to be part of the cast 🙏
I got chills multiple times watching this!
The One Power is described a lot as a fluid/river/torrent, but the nature of how women interact with Saidar vs. man with Saidin gives them their distinctions. Women flow and weave this magic, they surrender to it and ride the current, while men fight *against* raging torrent or fight an avalanche.
I will be so interested to see how each user shows this dynamic.
I love the whole cast great job ..ep4...was amazing...the end had me in tears...long time fan...
all 3 Episodes were great. I like the adaptation so far only regret was baerlon was cut from the show. In baerlon Rand first time meet Min that was cut sadly but Thom's entry is better in this adaptation than books imo. eagerly looking forward to see next 5 episodes
Min has been cast so he'll meet her somewhere. I dont know if Elayne will be in season one.
@@amys0482 I guess Rand will meet Min in Fal Dara in episode 7. Very short interaction with Rand will happen just like the eye of the world book. Different place but same circumstance. This is just a speculation.
@@amys0482 No Elyane will not show in season 1. She will be present in season 2 as Raf mentioned during an interview.
yes min is in 2 episode in the first season. elyane will appear in season 2. they decided to push the caemlyn visit to season 2 along with baerlon. practically it would have been to rushed in the allotted time to be able to really feel like a seamless transition from location to location
@@AmericaFirst-1 too rushed but still include Tar valon, not in book 1, or all the extra with the warders n logain?
I'm waiting oh so impatiently lol. I love the guy playing Lan. For some reason he totally has the vibe I envisioned in the character. Perrin too
I'm hooked on the show. I love it.
Had my doubts about this at first, but now I'm totally sold! Bring on 19 November!
Glad you guy finally posted this, though I totally already watch on someone else page lol
I started reading the books in my little village in ireland back in the 90's I finished the last book in 2013 when i was just leaving the british army after my last tour in afghanistan I loved the series that started in my early teens to end in my mid 30's I am enjoying the series at the moment on prime however I know they can't make the series exactly like the book i have just finished episode 4 i am looking forward to the others each friday
Haha, great to know that I am also living in Rand City. Much love from Rotterdam, The Netherlands!
I was skeptical first when I heard about the TV-series, but the more I hear and see, the more I am confident this will be a spectacular journey.
Also, as you know, "rand" (in Dutch) can connote other meanings: edge, rim, and border, for example. Lan is from the Borderlands, so he has a connection too, that way.
hearing "Egwene" talk about her sense of duty, making hard decisions. "if you know...you know".
I have never had my own time to enjoy such wonderful fantasy
23:30 fitting Perrin. Very fitting.
I know, right? That was so very well put.
I’m quite tickled by the anecdotes about the trolloc stuntmen slipping mid-fight scene and then being helped back onto their feet/hooves by Daniel Henney’s Lan, and Bela’s portrayer Archie being such a gassy scene-ruiner. 😆
Really looking forward to this
Those first few frames of Lan entering the inn make him look more like my head cannon Myrdraal than the actual Myrdraal. I do think that they look all right but man if all of this had been kept under wraps I might have thought that was who entered for a few seconds!
I think that is actually the point of having him look like that. My money is on them mentioning seeing the hooded figure to each other, and then he shows up like that at night and scares the piss out of them, lmao.
@@penguinjonesesq my thoughts exactly
At a first glance, they got it almost right. Especially the future Marshal-General Cauthon :)
Rand is fine, Perrin is fine, Nynaeve is fine, no objections to Moiraine and Lan.
Just not sure about Egwene. This could have been better but no biggie.
I have similar feelings. I'm not 100% sold on Egwene just yet either. Rand's casting is another one, but he's decent enough. As far as looks are concerned, he's certainly pretty. I wish his hair was longer, but that's just a irrelevant nitpick of mine. I think over time, they'll probably grow into their roles. I am absolutely loving Lan, Moiraine and Nynaeve's casting.
I also love Barney Harris (Mat Cauthon), so I'm pretty concerned over his recasting after this season Hopefully Dónal Finn will do a great job though, but it's definitely going to be jarring, at least in the beginning.
The 13 dislikes are Darkfriends
Since the wheel keeps turning and long after an age is forgotten it comes again. I just view this show as another turning of the wheel. The general story is the same, but the details change.
I am so in love with Josha
Bravo to everyone involved with bringing The WOT to visual media in the right way. I am very surprised that everyone has done such excellent work on several things.
The good things so far:
1) No spoilers
2) Staying true to the vision of Jordan to slowly reveal the world..
3) Having no ego driven actors.
Things I am concerned about:
1) Keeping ego driven producers and directors from trying to flavor the story with their own chem driven idiocy.
2) Keeping everyone involved to keep their mouths shut when it comes to spoilers.
3) Return to 1 and 2.
Things that have me very curious as a fan of the books.
1) Who are the actors playing the "F"?
Answer: I don't want to know the answer to that. As the 'F" are revealed,... it was a way the books unfolded.... and made it awesome.
Best of things to you all.
Well, if you mean what I think you mean by 'F', Natasha O'Keefe is surely playing one of them.
Best fricken cast ever! I love you all!
OMG Marcus sounds completely different in real life!
So excited! ♥
just watched the first episode. Not too many changes to the first book so far, what I've watched so far I'm very Impressed
What are you talking about? Not too many Changes? Perrin has a wife who specifically doesn't love him who he kills. A woman can be the dragon for some reason? Mens arrogance led to the dark one being released? Egwene and rand bang? They're literally teasing a romance angle with Perrin and egwene. There's no baerlorn. Tom doesn't have a patchwork cloke.
The character stuff is what hits the most. They didn't need to she them up and all of the character dynamics are completely butchered. Nynaeve was adopted for some reason?
Non of this is necessary. At all. Amazon have Judd 11,000 studio notes just for the pilot.
@@andy2069 I don't consider it to be too much at all. I do agree with you about Egwene and Rand though.
Not to many? It's like 100% different other than battle and leaving.
Love this! Thank you!
Can't wait for the show! Loved Rafe on Survivor ;)
Sorry if spoilers...
But I can’t help imagining - what would Josha feel how to show the book 12.. especially the end of book 12... like, Golden veins is my favorite moment of all series 🙃
Love this show hope it goes on for a long time
Is it stupid to be affraid and also stressed about this series? I am a lifelong fan of the fantasy genre, but also the series means a lot more than just a series to me. It has increadible presence and importance to me and always has been my entire teenage/adult life. I started reading the books when I was 13 (when they first published in my country) and I don't even remember how many re-reads done at this point. Even my entire online persona is named after my favourite character from the series.
So no, to be absoltely honest I'm not excited to watch the show tomorrow. More like I'm terrified. And I know it sounds stupid.
It doesn't sound stupid at all... And I'm so... So so sorry. I feel your pain. I'm so sorry they did this. I feel devastated.
Don't know what happened to.matt but it's a shame we can't have any interview with him something bad must of happened to not let him do any interview that sucks cuz he is a great character!
Not entirely sure what happened but he has been replaced and another actor will be playing Matt in s2
My one major complaint is that it seems that the parents of the boys has been majorly change. Matt’s dad was the best house trader in the Two Rivers and was also a honest man NOT a drunk. Also the conversation between Rand and his father after the first attack when he was hallucinating and talk about finding his on the mountain was left out which played a major,plot role.
Wait till episode 8 for complaints.... lots there... for all the simple mistakes and waste of time scenes, the ending killed the season for me. Ugh....
They are so lovely 🥰
I'm so hype
Isn't this an old interview?
Can anyone find Corbin blue
I'm working on a book I've had for months. I begin reading sleep pulls its power..I will finish it...raising dragons...smiling at you
I always wondered why Mat is never featured in interviews T^T
Anyone else find it incredibly awkward that Barney Harris,, who plays Matt Cauthon, was not here, and his entire contribution to the show is not acknowledged at all? It's incredibly shameful that no one mentions him.
Maybe they didn’t remember and were having fun and enjoying themselves?
Shameful is to have a reaction like so without any clue of the others.
He's not on the panel because he was let go and has been recasted
@@ryanmcauley6303 I know that. It would be nice if someone addressed that issue though.
@@undead.rising It’s very likely that Barney Harris’s reason for departure is something very serious and personal that he had no control over, like a health crisis. In that case, it’s not shaming him to leave him out, it’s a respectful decision to give him privacy and space while he’s dealing with something challenging.
It's not "incredibly shameful" to respect his privacy.The rest of us don't find it "incredibly awkward" that every interview has not included all the major members of the cast.
Hope they’re playing Aveindha and Min 😍
Min is Kae Alexander, she's already on season one, most fans believe they'll be Lanfear and Verin (but I think Aviendha is going to be on season two too)
@@augusto_3528 cool, thanks for letting me know 😊
I am so curious whom they'll cast as Aviendah...
I think Meera could be Verin
Any higher resolution Amazon?
Im bummed that the actor that plays Matt in season 1 left the show.
Why did he leave ?
@@madelinekouassi9884 they never went public to explain why so its unknown and we may never get an answer to that unless his replacement is so bad that fans rebel.
@@AmericaFirst-1 Oh okay I see. Thank you
21:06. She is a very controversial character, to say the least.
Lan is hot.
Rosemund is beautiful
Ohhh..where's that lovely Natasha O'Keeffe??
Where is Matt?
MIA and not publicly known why
I love denial henny 😘
Thanks for ruining my favorite book series by Robert Jordan!
I do wish they hadn't changed some of the gendered aspects of the show. I think it's really important that the dragon reborn must be a man because it has such a massive impact on the way the politics of the white tower work out. Having the power split between the sexes with the insane power struggle that came with that seems such an important detail to the story to change.
If you watch past the first few episodes, they didn’t change the fact that the Power is split, or many of the underpinnings of the magic system that I can see other than the specific detail that the Dragon is known from the start to be a man in the books. Which is a change you don’t have to like, but also won’t matter at all in the long term, since they’ve been clear that who the Dragon is has not changed from the books, and all the signs are there. For me, I don’t mind the change, in part because I honestly felt that the Dragon needing to be a man was a plot hole or a failure of imagination on the part of Robert Jordan in the books. Don’t get me wrong, I adore the books, but that was one piece that always felt out of place to me thematically. The whole narrative of the WoT sets up this yin-yang between men and women where neither is greater or lesser, and they can be different and still support one another. But it’s odd, because the books go to so much trouble to set up gender equality as a driving theme, and then they also say that the messiah figure in this universe, the most powerful channeler must always, always be a man? It felt out of place, like a sort of “Yes, men and women are equal and saidin and saidar are equal even though they’re different, but men are more muscular in real life so even in this fantasy world using a power that is not physical, they must be STRONK.” Honestly it diminished saidar for me and made the Wheel feel imbalanced, that only a wielder of saidin could ever be the most powerful channeler, and that even casual saidin wielders are generally more powerful. I know Robert Jordan said some mealy mouthed stuff about how women are more skillful with their weaves even if they’re less powerful, or whatever, but let’s be real: the messiah figure always being a man tilts the book universe in favor of saidin being more important, and undercuts the yin-yang concept. I get that it raises the stakes for the Dragon to be a man, but I don’t see why it HAS to be a man for the fear of the Dragon’s rebirth to be there. After all, you’re still talking a 50-50 chance for the most powerful person on Earth to be doomed to madness, which I don’t consider enough better than a 100% chance to be at all comforting. If anything, it might just contribute to the prejudice against a male Dragon for the Dragon to possibly be female, because certain characters might assume that whether the Dragon is male or female is what will determine whether they save or break the world. Anyway, that’s just my take: if you’re attached to the book’s interpretation where the most powerful character absolutely must be a man, that part of this adaptation will rub you the wrong way. But not much else has changed with the magic system, if that makes it any better for you.
@@melanie_13172 I mean the Dragon needing to be male isn't really a pot hole at all. Its a pretty well laid out part of the story. The entire background with the male part being tainted by the dark lord as a final strike against Lews Therin and Lews Therin shattering the world in his grief sets a tension in the story for every single person to be scared of any male channeling. I also think the power of the male vs female channelers was carefully planned out. Individual male channelers are on average quite a bit stronger, but they aren't able to link like Female channelers are. This means a tower of all male channelers would struggle against a tower of female channelers as groups of 13 would be able instantly shield or sever any male channeler without any chance for resistance. The point isn't that the dragon is supposed to be the most powerful character, its that everyone knows he is going to go mad and destroy the world (in what is assumed to be a similar fashion to Lews Therin) and yet he is the only chance of defeating the dark one. That tension between him being terrible for the world and yet being the only chance the world has is super important, you just wouldn't have that with a female channeler. A super powerful female channeler is going to be revered like the Amyrlin seat so you just wouldn't get that internal good/evil conflict. Its also important that the Dragon is a man because he needs to have no one to teach him how to use his power. That's another major conflict point that is super important imo.
@@grantwilliams630 I wrote a whole thoughtful response and then TH-cam crashed, alas. To recreate as well as I can remember: I completely see where you’re coming from. Narratively, yes I agree that the Dragon in this age needs to be a man for the reasons you state, and it’s very good that they are not changing that. My perspective is more that in the canon of the universe, I don’t see why it has to be a forgone conclusion that the Dragon is always and in all ages a man. Particularly because the main reason people fear the Dragon, the taint on saidin, is actually a pretty recent development in terms of the scope of how many ages the Dragon has been reincarnated in. It would seem to better balance saidar and saidin, to me, if there’s at least the possibility that in ages long past a woman broke the world and tainted saidar, and that cycle is repeating itself and playing out slightly differently again and again and again. And even if that can’t be the case, and the Dragon does have to be a man, it would also make sense to me in universe for some of the characters to believe that a figure as important as the Dragon couldn’t possibly be a man, because of the prejudices women hold against men who can channel. Or that they would fear a female Dragon because they’re worried that she might “finish the job” and taint the other half of the Power. Idk, basically I think there’s plenty of ways that the narrative can still work with this possibility left open, and that Jordan could have explored.
As for your point about women being the only characters who can link, I don’t disagree with anything you said about it but I also didn’t love that part of the book canon lol. The same way that men being per se stronger felt a little like a lazy “men strong” stereotype, only women being able to link felt like it was saying in some way “women are good at making connections with one another and men just aren’t, so only women can link.” Which again, felt like a lazy stereotype that diminishes the depth of the bonds that men can form with other people, and that they form with one another in the books. I found some of the ways saidar and saidin differed to be interesting and engaging and cool, but the strength disparity and the linking disparity seemed like they took the magic system in a weird direction to make a questionable point about gender, to me. So basically I agree with you that that is how the books are, but you named another of my least favorite parts of the magic system so I don’t feel all that attached to it.
@@melanie_13172 This is such a perfect encapsulation of how I feel about WOT, and it speaks explicitly to an inherent bias in the author that is antithetical to the themes in the text. I can understand the reasoning for why it has to be a man, and I accept that in that universe the explanation of why it is a man, but I think the execution and the hermeneutics is lazy. Like you said, it's out of place, for all the reasons you mention above. The WOT universe works so hard to establish the rules and functions of how that world operates and then it contradicts and undercuts all of it by making the prophecy be phallocentric. The fear that it is a male channeler is absolutely warranted but I always felt that the prophecy itself should've been genderless.
Where is Elayne?
Caemlyn is in season 2. hope it transition well to the screen but we do lose out on prob one of the most memorable iconic scenes of all time in the entire series with rand climbing the wall and and seeing logain for the first time.
Evil spirits of satan have to leave InJesus Christ name yes and amen 🙏
Where's barney harris?
He got recast for 2nd season
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Maybe it's just because I grew up on these books, or maybe it's just because I own the official art book where Robert Jordan clearly lays out the character's appearances, but this is THE worst casting I could possibly imagine. I hate Amazon with every fiber of my being for ruining this.
You mean just like every single other casting of a book to movie character in history? That never stopped any shows success...not now, not ever. Keep reading buddy, no ones forcing you to watch..
If you can’t hear this Perrin pause on everything he says, or hear the hunger in this Egwene, or hear the struggle in this Nynawve. Then only looks matter to you, and this book series wasn’t meant for you.
That entrance of Morgaine and Lan into the Inn is HORRIBLE. The music is overwrought and they would NEVER make that big dramatic entrance. I hope the music does NOT continue to tell you how to feel through the rest of it or I will abandon this. PLEASE don't be like the David Lynch DUNE. LEARN from the music of the 2021 DUNE. And stop TRYING to make it EPIC. Just tell the story and it will be Epic.
Natasha O'Keeffe must be Lanfear
OMG!!!!! All I can say is Egwene..... MOLE!!!!!! MOLEMOLEMOLEMOLEMOLEMOLE MOOOOOOOOOLLLLLEEEEEE!!!!!!!!
lol yeah some of those camera shots seem to have been more focused on her mole than anything else in the scenes. dead center screen and zoomed in so close part of her head and chin didnt even fit in the shot...weird choice to shoot a scene imo
Have you really read the books? Hard to believe, given the intro.The Dragon Reborn, always male, cannot be female. The whole underpinning of the tale is that the male half of the one power was tainted causing the breaking of the world, hence the search for him (not she or he)
way to spoil man.
@@ifsadks that's not really a spoiler. It's in the prologue of Book 1
@@amys0482 it seems Amazon had something else in mind. Watch episode 2. But yeah, it's hard not to spoil 20+ year lore.
You don’t have to like this change, but on the bright side it won’t matter at all in the long term, since they’ve been clear that who the Dragon is has not changed from the books, and all the signs are there. For me, I don’t mind the change, in part because I honestly felt that the Dragon needing to be a man was a plot hole or a failure of imagination on the part of Robert Jordan in the books. Don’t get me wrong, I adore the books, but that was one piece that always felt out of place to me thematically. The whole narrative of the WoT sets up this yin-yang between men and women where neither is greater or lesser, and they can be different and still support one another. But it’s odd, because the books go to so much trouble to set up gender equality as a driving theme, and then they also say that the messiah figure in this universe, the most powerful channeler must always, always be a man? It felt out of place, like a sort of “Yes, men and women are equal and saidin and saidar are equal even though they’re different, but men are more muscular in real life so even in this fantasy world using a power that is not physical, they must be STRONK.” Honestly it diminished saidar for me and made the Wheel feel imbalanced, that only a wielder of saidin could ever be the most powerful channeler, and that even casual saidin wielders are generally more powerful. I know Robert Jordan said some mealy mouthed stuff about how women are more skillful with their weaves even if they’re less powerful, or whatever, but let’s be real: the messiah figure always being a man tilts the book universe in favor of saidin being more important, and undercuts the yin-yang concept. I get that it raises the stakes for the Dragon to be a man, but I don’t see why it HAS to be a man for the fear of the Dragon’s rebirth to be there. After all, you’re still talking a 50-50 chance for the most powerful person on Earth to be doomed to madness, which I don’t consider enough better than a 100% chance to be at all comforting. If anything, it might just contribute to the prejudice against a male Dragon for the Dragon to possibly be female, because certain characters might assume that whether the Dragon is male or female is what will determine whether they save or break the world. Anyway, that’s just my take: if you’re attached to the book’s interpretation where the most powerful character absolutely must be a man, that part of this adaptation will rub you the wrong way. But not much else has changed with the magic system, if that makes it any better for you.
I'm so very disappointed with the actor playing Min.
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Robert Jordan is rolling in his grave at this travesty. How can you take a story that has sold over 100 million copies and been translated into 25 languages and throw all of it out the window. So so disappointed with this. I don't think any of the cast has actually read the series.
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Balance blah blah blah! Feminist Rafe talking about balance but making the men in the show weak.
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Dear god what have you done.... I hate you Amazon. You didn't need to give a single note. This is so awful. Non of this is okay at all. Butchered.
This show is trash compared to the novels, no fidelity, all "current year".
Seem like nice people, but this show is an abomination. This is not Wheel of Time. None of these a writers are fans of the series, they are fans of how easily they could turn it into a vessel for their ideology
Give me a bowl of curry and an hour on the toilet and I could produce something more pleasing to the viewer than watching this series.
Uh anyone else getting the toxic feminist vibe? Forget vibe...its clear cut.
guessing you havent read the books at all. i honestly had a concern for this when they released this in 2021 in the age of ''men bad'' that that fact alone would be so much more emphasized and to non readers would correlate current political climate to this series when in actuality it was written like this decades ago.
Because of that i feel they made a bad decision to cut the breaking of the world from being the first thing you see and instead put in liandrin and the red ajah which are notoriously known for their disdain for men. anyone who dont know the actual story will 100% assume they are pandering to current toxic Ideology.
10:47 Tadashi, you naughty boy. 😍😍😍😍
Wimlah why was tadashi naughty at 10:47 ? Are we mad at him )
That is an excellent question. 😇 No, we’re not mad at Tadashi but he was so naughty in a sexual way because he said "sexual." 😊😇
@@wimlahstockingrobinson7540 why was tadashi so naughty in a sexual way
Another excellent question. 😇 Because Tadashi said "sexual." 😊😍😈😇
Where is Elayne??