CLICK HERE FOR FREE AND EXCLUSIVE MANHUA OVER AT BILIBILI COMICS! blcs.io/t/kbrZ53FQ Oh! And an important tidbit: When I say Fatui's Goals, I mean the goal of the organization, not the individualized aspirations and ambitions of the harbingers. I think I mentioned this in the end part but all the Harbingers have varying levels of loyalty to the Tsaritsa and her cause, as well as the overall cause of Burning the Old World for the sake a new world. Signora's and Scaramouche's loyalties for examples are different due to their motivations. So yea, that's it.
Maybe Celestia is amused at the Fatui's struggles and their deeds aren't worth their attention. As far they are concerned, the organization itself is mostly made up by normal humans that only plays with elemental energy or have fancy technology. Perhaps Celestia WANTS to see how far the Fatui and the Tsaritsa is willing to go to achive their goals, and when the final line is crossed, Celestia can count all the sins they had done, and cursed them.
My guess is that the traveler will be that final straw (the outlander in spite of everything the fatui have done joins them in a deal that they stop influencing other nations in exchange for the help of On of if not the strongest character in the world of teyvat
Maybe they think since it seems the organization is falling apart on itself (Scaras betrayal,signora dead,disloyalty) they dont need to iterfer they just have to wait.
I have a theory! In the interlude chapter teaser, Pierro says: "Absolute peace. Such as is the gift from her majesty, the Tsaritsa". So I think that the Tsaritsa's gift isn't love (like everybody else says) but peace. And Pierro created the Fatui Harbingers to oppose Celestia so that in the end no more nations will be destroyed like Kahenri'ah and no more wars would happen, fulfilling the Tsaritsa's goal of "absolute peace" while being sure the Cataclysm won't repeat itself.
I think the reason why Celestial hasn't done anything about the Fatui yet is because their main way of keeping eyes on Teyvat, which are Visions and Gnosis, are compromised by Delusions. One other theory I had is that Visions are Celestia's main way of keeping track persons of interests that are deemed to have the potential to pose a threat to the current order of Teyvat, and that the elemental powers is just a front to make getting a Vision something to desire rather than something to be suspicious of. The Tsaritsa knows this and needed a solution that makes sure that her entire plan and organization can go unnoticed long enough for Celestia to not nuke Snezhnaya until it's too late, and the Delusion is that solution. If Visions are called Visions because they allow Celestia to clearly see everything that is going on in Teyvat, then Delusions are called Delusions because they interfere with what Celestia is seeing through Visions. I think Delusions may be emitting some kind of aura or energy that affects all nearby Visions' ability to relay information to Celestia by distorting what the gods will see or replace them with fake information. For example, if a Fatui skirmisher armed with a Delusion where to get into a fight with a Vision user, when the gods at Celestia is looking through that Vision, all they would see is something that is contradictory to what's happening in reality, they will see something like the vision user simply going about their daily life instead of fighting a Fatuus, that is because Visions in close proximity to Delusions are distorted, so instead of seeing a clear pucture of what's happening around the Vision user, all that the gods would see are distorted information that contradicts what is actually happening in reality. This would explain why Tartaglia was given a Delusion despite the fact that he already has a Vision, although he may not know it himself, the Delusion is actually keeping him and all of his actions hidden from Celestia behind deceptive illusions, much like how all of the Fatui and their actions are kept hidden from Celestia thanks to their Delusions.
I entirely disagree. I don't think Delusions have that power, much like how Visions don't. I think a lot of it is the Ley Lines. We know Celestia is very iffy about normal people having the ability to see the Ley Lines, so they must be something.. Celestial. Similarly, I don't think Celestia is aware of what's going on in the Abyss. If we go along the theory that the Fatui are already dead so they have no memories to go back to the Ley Lines, it would mean Celestia is unable to see what goes on, because they got disconnected from the Ley Lines.
@@lolosh99 they literally explained how celestia can't see what dead inside sugar daddy is doing. to quote: "This would explain why Tartaglia was given a Delusion despite the fact that he already has a Vision, although he may not know it himself, the Delusion is actually keeping him and all of his actions hidden from Celestia behind deceptive illusions, much like how all of the Fatui and their actions are kept hidden from Celestia thanks to their Delusions." literally the final sentence at least read before pointing out contradictions
This theory seems the most logical as to why celestia hasn't interfere or nuked sneznhaya I would also theorize that maybe celestia has no way of directly influencing the events of tevyat which is what the archons were for. Each archon has a gnosis that links them with celestia which I theorize that they are the pawns of Celestia, they are meant to look after tevyat for Celestia because they have no way to physically directly effect the events happening in tevyat. The curse of khaenriah might be an exception but something as vague as a curse doesn't necessarily mean that they have to be there to curse them. And during the calamity of khaenriah, we knew that there is where makoto died because she went to that war without telling Ei and leaving inazuma with her. So from that we could theorize that the calamity is actually the works of the archon through the order of Celestia. They could be the ones wreaking havoc on khaenriah while Celestia used them as a medium to lay the curse upon the people of Khaenriah We do have an actual solid Canon example to back this theory up however. If we have a look at orobashi and his downfall we know that it was Ei that have slain him because he came to close to the secrets of Celestia. Which explains why instead of having the gods at Celestia or the people running Celestia to stop orobashi, they had Raiden Ei instead to execute him as punishment for his actions. And if this theory is linked up to the theory stated by op of the delusions having a distorting effect to the visions and gnosis then it makes a lot of sense as to why Celestia have not interfere with what the fatui and tsaritsa are doing. I've also seen one theory that Celestia knows abt it but chose to ignore the fatui because they wanted to be amuse by humans but I doubt that was the case. If they truly wanted to be amuse and only stop the fatui when they truly cross the line then why curse the entirety of khaenriah for just being independent of an archon? Why send raiden to kill orobashi for just reading a book? That to me doesn't make a whole lot of sense and contradicts to a lot of Canon stuff that we already know
The thing is, why would they look at someone like... Yun Jin, and deem her as a person who has "the potential to pose a threat?" Genuinely. What about her would make the gods worry? Same goes for Barbara.
I think as far as the Tsaritsa's "peace" goes, it's not the same as our definition of peace. I remember in the Harbinger video, Pierro mentions. "Absolute Peace" from the Tsaritsa as she freezes Signora's coffin. Another thing that comes to mind is that Tsaritsa herself (via her Gemstone) says "burn the old world away for me". While it could be a simple synonym for "cleanse" or "remove" it's very specific and odd considering it's the exact opposite of her element, Cryo. And, in the Tevyat Chapter Preview, it's mentioned (during Natlan, and the Pyro Archon) "The victors shall burn bright, while the losers must turn to ash." And said that it's a "secret" and it's existence being revealed to us is because the Pyro Archon "has her reasons". I find it hardly a coincidence that we're getting the "God of War" right before we get the "God of Love". My idea behind the Cryo Archon was always that (assuming her virtue was Love), the way she would obtain "Absolute Peace" would be the destruction of Celestia and perhaps even the world itself. Her "Love" of people and life could have been twisted into a more mal-intended ideal of ridding the world of everyone so no more life will die or be forced into a cycle of death. This idea of stasis or even eternity is referenced a lot as well in terms of real life cold. Cryogenic Sleep, Absolute Zero, they both come to mind when thinking of stillness or death. It would be a justification for why she doesn't seem to completely care who gets hurt now, be it God or citizen, even Children. It would also explain why freezing the coffin and palace it's housed in would be considered "peaceful" as well.
I won't be surprised if the Traveler turns Natlan's God of War into the God of Peace in just a few acts in the main storyline so that the Pyro Archon will become the springboard to redeem the Tsaritsa so Mihoyo could have her pull an Ei to make her banner more profitable.
Humans are squirells, the Archons are the park reserve rangers and Celestia is their governing body. If all the squierrels that lived in a park reserve were plotting to overthrow humanity what would the local council do? The answer is nothing.
It would be really ironic if Celestia are eventually destroyed due to their own arrogance, given they don’t hesitate to destroy nations due to ‘the arrogation of mankind.’ It would be karma and poetic justice.
Too much speculation,we dont even have an explanation or backstory of celestia as to why they're doing that,it would be really funny if at the end of genshin humanity is actually the true evil and not the abyss order or the gods of celestia.
@@satorii_2060 Feel the same tbh, getting tired from that kind of trope and humanity being always right and winning at the end. Also these tropes are getting real old
I think you answered it yourself. Celestia isn't doing anything because every single rebellion has failed so far. They are confident that the Fatui will be stopped by either the twin you control, the abyss or a coalition of the countries they antagonized. In their eyes, Celestia doesn't have to lift a finger because the Fatui are, at least apparently, digging their own grave since, in the end, they can gather as many gnosis they want, gather all the delusion they can make and awaken al lthe ruin guards available, but Shneznaya will still be one country. That is, of course, unless the popular theory about all of the archons actually being in on the plan is true. if that turns out to be the case then Celestia will play right into the Tsaritza's hands, underestimating the Fatui and naively expecting them to be dealt with by someone else, only to be face to face with the full forces of a united Teyvat at the very end
I'd say that whole thing hinges on the role the Underground Network/ Snezhnayan Kokomi's Resistance has in the main story. Their actions and the Harbingers with more questionable loyalties would decide whether the Fatui crumbles like so many other rebellions or get tempered enough to be more agreeable with the other nations to build a united front.
@@infectedumbrellagrunt3682 you know what? that's what actually worries me, i've been noticing that the Fatui's plan is getting more convoluted each time you meet them and i fear that, if the writers aren't skilled enough, they might fall flat on delivery. and sadly the latest quest weren't exactly masterfully written (Yelan's story quest was quite abysmal if you ask me) lets' hope for the best :\
Archons do go along tsaritsa's plan(or atleast they don't like Celestia) I don't know which archon, but Zhongli/Venti was saying that without gnosis they feel free
@@aster2790 yeah, i think they are faking it. they are pretending to hate the fatui and to be against them so that Celestia will relax and drop its guard
The answer might be right in front of our eyes after thinking about it. It’s kind of poetic and sad in a way. Fatui literally translate as fools and the Harbingers are named after characters in Commedia Dell’Arte. Even the latest teaser with the Fatui is known as a lazzo, a reference to the play, but can also be called a joke. To Celestia, I think watching all this unfold is like a comedic play.
The Fatui are essentially actors performing a theater. They are the “Fools” who are trying to rebel against Celestia yet the Fatui themselves cannot do a thing, only prepare the circumstances so the Traveler, the only being that is not under the Laws of Teyvat, can have a shot at bringing Celestia down.
There have been theories of venti and zhongli secretly going along with tsaritsa's plan. But what if, instead of going along with it, they are actually doing it under the influence of the heavenly principle? Maybe the heavenly principle have long known about tsaritsa's plan, it's just waiting for her to reach to the point where she has to be eliminated. As in, the heavenly principle is trying to give itself a reason to destroy tsaritsa, since it couldn't just randomly do it without a reason. Idk why I think that, maybe I've had something else in my mind but it didn't stayed for very long, and that's what's left after I picked up my thoughts and summarize it.
@@LittleDevilAkuma At least it's proven otherwise, my headcanon is that Zhongli exchanged it for Tsarita's bath water. Then Venti also emailed the Tsaritsa and said he thought that Signora was a Fair Lady indeed and he would like her to kick him and take his gnosis while insulting him. Tsaritsa agreed to his kink fetish but never taught Signora what a pervert Venti was.
If this is true this also means that Venti probably snitched on Istaroth the god of time, since Istaroth imo is super important in the story i mean c'mon he's the god of time if Venti was siding with celestia it would mean he would tell them everything so far Venti, Traveler, Ei and probably the heavenly principles know about Istaroth idk maybe im just trying to hard to be smart lol
@Harry Shade Here are my thoughts: Is celestia almighty and all knowing? I believe they are indeed almighty as even beings like archons have to obey the law that they created, which is erosion. But they are probably not all knowing, why? Because if they are, they would've stopped khanriah and other nations that they destroyed before those nations tried to do anything that they don't like. Since humans are not creatures that directly take orders from the heavenly principle, it is very likely that it has no way of knowing what we are thinking. Whereas the archons have shown to take direct order from it back when khanriah was destroyed. Which means the heavenly principle have been in contact with archons before, and it probably learned about tsaritsa's thought (like how we can somewhat read people's thought by looking at their face) at that time. Back then, those nations were destroyed because they've all done something that would affect the world (maybe potentially destroying the world? idk) which is why the celestia destroyed it. Since they've had good enough reasons to destroy khanriah, that means they probably don't go around just destroying nations whenever they want. Since celestia know tsaritsa is a potential threat, her and her nation has to be eliminated, but since they haven't done anything that could potentially destroy the world (which lead back to my point of celestia not being all knowing), which is why it is trying to give itself a good enough reason to destroy snezhnaya. These are some theories that I come up with without any back other than just logical thinking. Although it is probably most likely wrong, but it was pretty interesting don't you think?
The fatuis aren't stopped by Celestia, because Celestia has no way of knowing what is happening. The gnosis are the only way to communicate with them, and these are either already stolen by the fatuis, or the remaining archons simply have no ideas that theirs are about to get stolen, and thus can't alert Celestia either. but on the fatuis POV, they couldn't just ask politely the 6 other nations to join their sides to take down the divine, for fear that one archon might alert Celestia in advance and ruin the fatui's revolution before it even begin. But, by resorting to violence and corruption, while they do indeed get closer to their goal, they are turning the other nations against them. Snezhnaya might be the most technologically advanced nations of them all, if all 6 other countries goes against them, even without Celestia, they have no way of winning. The fatuis are doomed either way.
As shown by the Fatui in the chasm, it‘s common knowledge in Snezhnaya that the Fatui are fighting against the divine and the heavenly principles. If the Tsaritsa really feared that some Archon would warn Celestia, it would be a great risk to tell all her people about the general goal.
I doubt the gnosis is the ONLY way to communicate with Celestia. As far as I know, it's not even confirmed that they're used for communication. It is only said to "tie" an archon to Celestia. With that said, if Celestia tried to call Venti on the Gnosis Hotline, and ended up hearing Pierro's dusty voice, you think they wouldn't be able to deduce that the Anemo Archon's Gnosis was stolen, and thus would at LEAST go see what's up? It's not like anyone contacted them about Khaenri'ah, Celestia found out on their own, and attacked.
I had this theory since Celestia is watching them,the Tsaritsa is making sure to make herself look like the bad guy towards the other nations so that if the plan against Celestia may fail,or celestia thinks they are in cahoots,the other nations will be spared A true mercy from the god of love to make sure the other nations dont get wiped out like Khanriah.
@@Minamiii-e7y the only problem with this theory is that t actually makes the Cryo Archon sympathetic, so hoyo can't do that. I'm expecting that she's going to randomly have a sibling she loves or something.
Traveler and sibling doesnt even have vision, yet they get tracked down by celestia, not to mention they just wanna leave from teyvat. There should be more logical explanation behind all this, and why traveler, an outlander needed in this story of teyvat.
Imagine the great irony when being called the Fatui truly means they are fools. That being under Celestia, they were predestined to this little charade. Imagine if they were told this. Hench why Celestia never bother to interfere in the first place.
I don't think that this is their main goal, but what if the fatui is trying to make humanity become more independent from Celestia. By giving them delusions so people people won't have to get visions from Celestia, and taking the gnosis from the Archons so they don't have any real connection to Celestia anymore- what if their trying to distancing Teyvat as much as they can from Celestia by cutting any ties that would make them reliant on Celestia?
As they say “the road to evil is paved with good intentions” Or at least it was something similar to that. And I think that quote is very fitting for the Fatui. They’re the ends justify the means people of Genshin Impact. At least that’s what Pierro and the Tsaritza seem to be.
Maybe to maintain peace, the Tsaritsa is protecting her people with something like a thick layer of ice over Snezhnaya, as we can see the cryo slime wih a thick ice 'helmet'. Maybe that could prevent the celestia pillar (similar to the ones in Chasm and Dragonspine). The Tsaritsa seems to be quite powerful and clever.
i think that a reason for the co-existence between celestia and the fatui/snezhnaya is because the nation is ultimately led by the tsaritsa, someone who is in possesion of a gnosis. gnosis roughly means 'knowledge', so maybe the tsaritsa is cleverly bending or avoiding breaking the heavenly principles, as she most likely knows them well. also, possessing a gnosis perhaps means having knowledge of what khaenri'ah was discovering. because the tsaritsa was permitted to have the gnosis/knowledge she cant be punished for it. maybe khaenri'ah was close to finding/creating gnoses of their own
It’ll be very funny if it turns out that Celestia was doing all those deeds to hold back something worse. I dont really subscribe to the Honkai theory but if it’s true it’ll be amusing as to how Teyvat deals with that. Personally tired of humanity killing off deities and getting no repercussions from, I don’t know, killing beings with connections to reality itself?
Mt theory is that the whole of Teyvat us already dead. You are simply accessing the ley line's memories which would explain why we can redo events in different ways.
Maybe they are waiting for them to reach a cross the line so they can just snap them out of existence or is waiting to see the arcon thritsa action then go?
I dont think they would snap them out of existence, lol maybe they think its just a game, if they really wanted to the could of course snap them and the cyro archon out of existence, but what the fun of cheating game u know u could win in an instant. Or I could be one big test for the archons and the people of teyvat lol
Am I the only one who thought the recipient of the "Burn away the old world" comment was Signora? I mean so far, burning stuff, particularly the world, has been kind of her thing, and it is implied that she had a somewhat close relationship with the Tsaritsa in *some* form. Venti implied that she "stole" the Tsaritsa's face, although it could imply a deeper symbolism, plus the Tsaritsa trusted Signora with collecting the gnoses of the Archons. 1. Signora, who had thus far as the crimson witch doing her own thing, exclusively started following the Tsaritsa's path after becoming a Harbinger with unusual devotion and loyalty. It did seem like she was also "shouldering the grievances of the world" with her. 2. The Cryo delusion she received was meant to prevent her from burning away. She had an innate "desire to burn", but could stave it off by "enduring [the Tsaritsa's] bitter cold". Since the above two quotes seemed to fit Signora, I had naturally assumed the third was meant for her, too. Counterpoint for my own point: All the lines in the gemstones are uttered by the Archons in the *current* storyline. Signora is dead. So this is either more Signora copium, or the Tsaritsa *does* say all these things to the traveller, in which case they might serve as a nice foil for Signora. Although, considering the traveller seems to be siding heavily with Dain rn, it would be interesting to see how/why they change their minds.
there is another thing that i find strange. if the tsarista really wants peace in the world, why did dainsleif say that she has no love left for her people?
I can imagine the gods of Celestia being like: God 1:"Hey guys, check it out! Tsaritsa's pawn have gathered the fourth gnosis now!" God 2:"Wrong, that boy created by Makoto (they almost certainly don't know it's actually Ei) took it for himself and quit the Fatui. If he gets it's power and scares off the Fatui, it's checkmate for them!" God 3:"Yeah, *IF* he manages in time..."
I read this reddit theory about Celestia and the traveller's identity and it made me look so different about Celestia that there may be instances that i think they are doing the right thing with Teyvat. With that said tho, i feel like Celestia would insert itself suddenly in the story that even the Fatui would get shaken up and would be the final boss. I hope however that the story doesn't end with just the Celestia being the final bad. The traveller has so much mystery behind them that it would make into a great material. Can't disagree that i do want to see an Evil Traveller in the story.
Actually yes considering what they did to Sal Vindagynr I would think Celestia would try to stop the fatui but maybe the world of Tevyat the fatui exists in already is set with obstacles by Celestia, hence why they wouldn't do anything knowing they've already prepared to take them down
Regarding the Fatui's motivations, I don't think think them causing so much suffering to get their goals done is necessarily contradictory to wanting world peace if they subscribe to a utilitarianist worldview. Could justify it by saying it will break the cycle of the old world where nations seem to consistently have the citizens on nations tortured for centuries(turning into monsters like hilichurls), and could say their actions to prevent this cycle from continuing are overall worth it(cause less total suffering) when looking at the bigger picture.
I get the impression Celestia aren't in any condition to physically stop the Fatui at the moment because it's implied (by a translation) that the Sustainer/Unknown God is either on her deathbed or gone by the time the game started. The English dub says: "The keeper is fading." The other translations, however, say, "The Sustainer is dying." I imagine the Sustainer would step in, but she's too sick to do anything and it's unclear if there's anyone else in Celestia that can actually fill in for her.
@@pozzsicle It's the first thing under the Traveler's lore section: The English one says: "The keeper is fading away; the creator has not yet come. But the world shall burn no more, for you shall ascend." But the Chinese version calls refers to the Sustainer instead of the Keeper. The wiki has a literal translation of the English line (under a note), but other places online like Reddit and Twitter both translate that the Chinese version is referring to the Sustainer as well.
That would explain how the other twin managed to break free of the sustainer "prison" and still have their original power. They somehow defeated the sustainer.
There's one scenario under which Fatui would have strong reason to self-justify their own actions, one that many animes explored and mhy sure loves these kind of anime stories - Evangelion's Instrumentality. It wouldn't matter to them how much pain they're inflicting, if in the end everyone - including the dead - is going to transcend into some form of higher existence.
however the story of evangelion isn't toward instrumentality, but a rejection of it by the humans. instrumentality is only desired by seeles because they are cursed with immortality so they are not mortal to begin with, and they see instrumentality as a release from their curse of immortality. which actually sound more like the abyss than fatui.
I feel celestia is going to use shneznia as a second khaenry’ah, make an example of what happens when you threaten celestia Which, i belive, celestia is far more scared of the void than it is of the tsarista
Interesting...I think also that the Tsaritsa may not be in control of the Fatui, but the other way around. I think she fell for Pierro long ago and he has been using her to complete his agenda against the gods ever since. The question is, if she knows this (and I think she does), why does she let him get away with it? Love?
I've thought for a while that the Tsaritsa has been either killed, or is being held/controlled/imprisoned in a way that the Fatui are essentially siphoning off her power for their own use. Kinda like how in Final Fantasy 7, Genova was being kept prior to being released.
@@LBCAndrew it could be like dat wat if it was pierro whos doing it creating the fatuis and decieving them to get what he wants. Revenge on celestia on wat they did to their nation. I mean hes a freakin khanrianh guy pretty sure hes the king or something important.
everybody says fatui are so dumb and doomed to fail but i disagree. they always get what they want in the end, if you think about it. it even seems like they had already planned that scaramouche would steal the electro gnosis, from trailer video. and i simply don't think that tsaritsa and pierro just sat and thought "oh so many civilizations got destroyed because they went against the heavenly principles, and we have just gone through one. so why don't we be the next lol" I think they have enough power/knowledge or at least access to enough power/knowledge to challenge Celestia. and celestia already offended archons after they had them destroy the khaenri'ah, so i don't think they will do the same to Snezhnaya since all archons might team up against them this time
I deeply believe that Celestia is exactly like Yae Miko,They are just watching the show. Celestia is amazed by the Fatui and wants to watch till the end before they use Traveler (The fourth descender) as their last card.
Maybe Celestia wanted the Tsaritsa's plot to progress but not powerful enough to absolutely threaten the Celestia. To repeat some on what I've said on Aster's previous post maybe JUST maybe while it appears that the Fatui are winning the war it was actually Gods of Celestia who is winning the war by making it appear that the Tsaritsa is winning enough to make the Fatui become arrogant and FOOL themselves to be lured in a trap set by Celestia. And once the Nation of Snezhnaya took the bait the Celestia would be given enough justification to take down the Frozen land with its full might just like on how they took down the Godless Nation of Khaenriah.
What if Celestia aren't as powerful as we think they are? What if their power is limited in some way? I think them destroying nations has made us assume some things that aren't actually true. What if they have less control of the world than we think? What if they can only exercise their power at certain points?
Genshin lore and all is summed up with this words perfectly, at least for me: So many questions, so little answers. Though I'd happily dabble in these than the meta lmao
In before the only reason celestia hasn't done anything is due to them already being dead and the being we fought in the intro/pick a twin cutsence is sitting alone in heaven. Kinda like nier automata 🤔 what if when the gods ended human civilization 500 years ago, the humans unleashed a weapon that ended the gods and now only one remains and orders the 7 to follow the celestial principles under the guise of being the whole of celestia and not just one God remaining?
I had the same question! I mean these dastards kill people for having knowledge that a book exists but you have people who are actively trying to overthrow you and your... silent It's pretty much the basis of my theory that Celestia was injured by one of the Travelers when they were trying to get to Teyvat
I discovered your channel recently and I'm loving it! I don't know if you already talked about this (I'm going through your videos from new to old) but I looked in the latin dictionary and "fatuus" means "stupid, fool, silly". And fatuus/fatui are even in the correct declinations from latin!
I think Celestia is already interfering with the Fatuis. In regards to this, Paimon is the only candidate that I can think of. Remember when Kazuha told us that Paimon smells like stars? I think that Paimon is somehow hiding herself to monitor whether Teyvat is worth saving or not.
Assuming Primo One was the one in charge of Celestia. If the Primo One lost to the Second Throne who is now in charge of Celestia? The Second Throne but the problem is he or she can’t conquer Teyvat as long as the fake sky (Egg of the Primo One) is still standing. So, whats the best plan? To wait for someone to tear down the sky. The Fatui will win and at the same time fall with Teyvat and the Abyss. Its how I see it. Fatui’s think they’re the players, but in fact they’re just pawns in a bigger chessboard (Honkai wink wink)
tbh, I think the only ones capable of doing something to Celestia rn is the Abyss Order bc abyss power actually hurt divine beings, but the AO is too goofy and incompetent lol I think hoyo will make them more of a threat in the future tho, like they did with the Fatui. It would be interesting for the AO to have the upper hand at some point bc it would mean that Celestia is the one responsible for the creation of their worst enemy. However, I think the story will probably go to a path of unity, with everyone (humans, archons, fatui, abyss order) uniting to defeat Celestia after finding out the true about who they are.
True, both the abyss order and fatui feel like a clown show though.. At least when we're discussing overthrowing Celestia. Sure the fatui have power on Teyvat, but they mostly wield their power over humans. We have seen them control a nation with a god who is in a coma like 90% of the time, a god who is retiring, and a god who can't be bothered to do her job and throws a tantrum in her room instead. It's not really "threatening" that they hold significant power in these places... It feels like an adult winning a fight with a 12 year old. The enemy they're overtaking is just... not impressive. As for the Gnoses, what do they even do? For all we know, they're just walkie talkies between Celestia and the Archons. Venti was fine afterwards, Zhongli signed it away, Raiden gave it up years ago. And they want to go against Celestia?? I know Dottore has the whole 'fragments' thing, all the fatui have their quirks... But at the end of the day, it just seems like they're playing with fun toys rather than going against Celestia. The Abyss Order, while also an absolute clown show, feels much more serious in their pursuits, likely because they have suffered the curse that Celestia gave to them. I also feel like we're going to get some sort of unity between them, because right now neither group has a chance in hell of beating Celestia.
@@jadecoolness101 i hope we get some answers about what the gnosis do in Sumeru since Scaramouche ran away with Ei's. It would be an opportunity for them to give us more lore but idk, it might take a while ;-;
My big question is: are their even multiple gods in celestia? Or like, only 3 or 1? Shirley archon say that there are gods and celestia, but who's to say that there isn't just one prime God that can alter the memories of others. Maybe there was only the unknown god, phanes and the time God came on that ruled over celestia. But paymon was later discarded. This is a baseless theory though, just food for thought.
It is stated in one of the books from Enkanomiya that the Primordial One came with his four Shining Shades (Isaroth is one of them, if I am not mistaken), so that makes five. Plus the Sustainer of Heavenly Principles, so six in total. At least, six that we know of.
Yea indeed. Pleace exuse the crassness but in Sweden there is a saying..."waging war for peace, is like f***ing for virginity". Meaning, its a paradoxical goal that dont work.
The last time a deity did something Celestia didn't like, they sentenced him to death, so things are not looking good for the Tsaritsa. Then again, maybe her survival isn't part of her plan. What I'm more interested in is the fact that the traveller has commited the same "sin" as Orobashi by reading that book, yet no one showed up to execute her. The abyss order is also doing weird things to the statue and the nail, but again nothing happens. Makes you wonder if Celestia is busy with something they consider a bigger threat, like infighting. Istaroth is implied to be working against whoever is in charge
Correct me if I’m wrong but doesn’t “gnosis” literally mean “knowledge” in Greek? So maybe the Tsaritsa needs all pieces of the “knowledge” and Celestia hasn’t interfered yet because unlike morax, the Tsaritsa can just leak the “knowledge” that she already have?
While their military might be the strongest, they are not omnipotent. An alliance between 2 or 3 nations maybe enough to stop them. We learn that invading other countries by force could have terrible consequences and that the risks aren't worth it. Mondstadt is probably the only one where they use force openly and get away with it because Varka took almost all their forces away leaving them near helpless. It was said that breaking into Inazuma by brute force was incredibly difficult and not worth the price which was they settled for dismantling it from within.
Their plans reminds me of Madara's Eye of the Moon plan in Naruto. Trying to create world peace by putting everyone in the world under a genjutsu(an illusion or dream).
the idea you present of eternal 'destruction and creation' makes me think of the Shivada Jade. The localized English name of the stones are named after Hindu gods of air, earth, thunder, seas, fire, etc domains that are equivalent to Teyvat's elements and their descriptions are written from the perspective of their archons. Now the god Shiva, namesake of the Shivada Jade, isn't a god of snow and ice like the Tsaritsa but he is a god of destruction and creation. The naming choice for the Shivada Jade and the Fatui's plan to burn away the old world fits in nicely with your theory in this video
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Also if you know the Toaru Anime series I'm starting to see that some of the Tsaritsa's goals are aligned with Aleister Crowley who intends to destroy the Gods and the Concept of Magic through the power of Science as he sees it as the only way for Mankind to be freed and accelerate its Evolution as a species. But this was done through a lot of countless human sacrifices just to fuel this goal.
As mona said, destiny can't be either decided or changed once the stars had something save for u there's only matter of time in order to that think to happen what you can do is suspend it to happen but it only be temporary and eventually it will occur so i think that's why, Celestia doesn't interfere bc as we know they follow the celestial principles it would make sense (since Scaramouche said the sky is fake) that Celestia 's gods are the one who both create the stars (aka destiny) and make sure to follow what the stars say, maybe in the destiny of the Tsarista is battle against the divine but fail in the process and then face the consequences of that, and celestia is only waiting to happen
I can imagine everyone is Celestia with whipped cream on their hands ready face palm all of them and then blast circus music while utter squashing them between their fingers like ants.
I feel like there's certain conditions or pre requirements for Celestia to take action. They either need a bigger or closer threat (a direct attack) or they don't have unlimited power to spend freely around (and Tsarisa knowing that is taking advantage to make her move before it's too late). In the end the mc will indeed live the same experience as the twin that had to see khareah getting destroyed not being able to do anything but now the Abyss and the Fatui are preparing to fight with some intel they got from the past (maybe they found a weakness). Also the fatui may not look like a problem, but they are not considering the Abyss to make a move with them (they can't track the abyss moves).
I have this idea that the end of this game will be the beggining of it... it's like the abyss traveler had already pass thru all of it and so do we and the hole thing is happening in circles... The destiny is already written. Maybe we can be the abyss traveler when we reach the end...
About the last thing u said the Fatui do want peace they just want to make the Archons and traveler step in to have the right moment to eliminate them it makes sense because traveler’s sibling is the abyssal prince/princess and the Fatui hate the abyss Maybe the Fatui know that they have to eliminate us so that we won’t get in the way of them eliminating our sibling
I have a theory! Maybe Celestia isn't doing anything because they want to see how long they can play to be God by taking Archon's gnosis with them. So, maybe they'd interfere at the perfect timing, perhaps when the Traveler reunites all the gnosis and therefore they'd punish the nations by sending monsters. Idk I just want a final battle scene where monsters are attacking the nations and we see all the character we've met so far fighting for the sake of their place, it'd be so cool I'm almost imagining it.
Completely going off topic but.. the location of Snezhnaya on the world map kind of coincides with the Qin state's location from China's warring states period, because they're both in the western to northwest area of their respective worlds. And similarly to the Qin state, Snezhnaya seems hellbent on conquering the rest of the land around them, or at the very least subjugating/destabilizing them. It just personally stood out to me as someone who is a big fan of ancient Chinese history.
To start - about the peace.I think syaing that Fatui in fact, don't want to achieve peace', could be wrong, and the answer is very simple why - we are looking at it from our perspective, and as many other things, peace, despite having strong definition, falls into subjective category at the end of the day. I mean, look at the real world, when asked, many people wopuld say - not all, but majority - that the world is at peace, despite having literal wars at the time as we speak happening in some corners of the world.For some peace means peace inside their own bubble and in the neighbouring regions, for some a complete world peace where humans live in a harmony without destroying each other in the name of some kind of ideology or greed, and for some - it means COMPLETELY something else.This is why I believe, that the fatui - or at least tsaritsa - indeed want a peace, however, in their own way.Personaly, I think that it could mean two things (but ofc , I could be wrong). first, that the cryo archon wants to a complete destruction of the old nations with the strongest only surviving and simply start a new, with celestia, ofc, abolished., with no gods sitting in the throne.The other option, could be that the tsarica wants to not just kill celestia, but also take a hold of their place, seizing their throne and becoming the new celestia, but going against every rule that celestia had established and just follow her own ideologies.In this scenario she could destroy teyvat as a whole, but most likely she wouldn't, she would be simply just another absolute ruler. Of course all of it could be wrong, as so far we don't know much, and she and the fatui would want completely something else. And finaly, why does Celestia doesn't care?To this one, I think the answer is the simplest one - as a highest being, or at least as they think of themselves - they simply don't feel threatened.I mean, for them ithe fatui seems like a bunch of ants performing a theatrical spectacle and nothing more, which is ironic, knowing the inspiration behind fatui. Tho I do have a crack theory about which I thought some time ago and laughed it off, but nowadys, this idea reappears in my minds more often.The crack theory is - what if celestia does nothing because they could be either dead, or very wekeaned and at the verge of dying, due to a corruption that they've got during the archon war or right before it, from something? That would also explain why the sustainer is so desperate to keep everyone away from the celestia at all costs,as she knows that their end is nigh, and possibly , hers too, as she also could be corrupted or simply eroding away, but doesn't want to accept this kind of fate.Tho as I said, it is far-fetched, but I wouldn't be suprised that AT LEAST a part of it would turn out to be ture later in the future. Just in case - sorry for any grammatical errors and typos, I write fast, I make mistakes and I do have eye problems so sorryin advance.
Why do I have the feeling that if the Fatuis successfully liberate Teyvat from the Gods, that's when something bad will happen... like the what happened in RWBY, where Salem tried to eliminate the 2 gods... only it eliminated all of the humanity and magic, except for Salem.
I feel like the 6 nations would of agreed to help the fatui achieve their goals and defeat the divine. It's just that the Fatui is scared that one of the archons might alert the heavenly principals
And that's why I feel like they need the traveler to enter the fatui in order for the rebellion to actually work against Celestia, given that the twins are the only ones to not be sealed by fate. Or maybe I'm just dumb, idk.
One thing I find interesting is that Celestia are commonly painted as the designated villains but looking objectively (unless you use a Honkai lens which I wont for the sake of this) they don't really do anything particularly villainous. The people under Celestia live good stable lives without the threat of warfare. Each country is ruled in their own fucked up ways by our standards but for the most part it seems to work out for the people. Ei was a driver of conflict and Electro Visions suddenly dried up. We know she isn't in charge of handing them out so Celestia was likely trying to make a decision regarding the Electro Archon (speculatively, replacement?) The civilizations that were destroyed by Celestia don't seem to be peaceful ones. Often what's looked at is their technological progress and not their actions. War begets conflict, conflict begets choice, choice stands against pre-determination, standing against pre-determination means standing against Celestia. Celestia has every reason to see themselves as the good guys. Meanwhile the Abyss opposes Celestia with a deontological point of view possibly destroying everything for their duties. The Fatui meanwhile want to "seize the gods' authority", if we take this literally they mean to take the place of Celestia which would just place the utilitarian rule under new management. As for why Celestia takes no action there are some possibilities. Maybe they haven't reached the critical mass required for Celestia to take action. Maybe they have already taken action (theory of mine in regard to this is that Childe is meant as a means of destroying them from the inside due to numerology / constellation references, but I digress.) Maybe the Fatui are necessary because this is how Celestia iterates on itself? The story hasn't even reached it's halfway point though so there's limits to how well we can speculate.
Well, if we take the fact that Fatui means "Fools" in latin... Celestia sees the Fatui as what their organization name means; utter fools. If I were Celestia, I would just see them as foolish people who are marching towards a nonexistent goal. Like, if you compare Fatui to Celestia, obviously, Celestia can win against the Fatui even if the latter has 11 harbingers with Delusions.
A lot of people think that the Fatui are 'good guys' because Celestia has done a lot of bad things. I don't think this is the case though. Two wrongs don't make a right. The Fatui have done far too many evil acts to make them any better than the System they are trying to overthrow. Also a growing theme that I feel recurring is the emphasis of humanity. The archons of the current three nations we have visited have all come to a similar conclusion of letting humanity decide the course of the future. The Fatui lack any sort of connection to humanity. I don't think there is anything they can do to ever warrant them as 'The good guys.'
Yea I have to say, at this point in the story I dont really care what Celestia is supposed to have done or to do, what the Fatui, their harbinger and their stupid tsaritza are doing is quite frankly inexcusable by any means, the sacrifices they make now for some theoretical hypothetical future where all is at peace is simply nonsensical and incredibly naive and I really hope that isnt all there is to it, even if they do manage to create their new world, with people like them in it, it will hardly be any better. I do think there is more to it, but I really hope that the story wont try to make us sympathise or side with the Fatui over the gods just cause "gods bad" when the people in this world, especialy those with knowledge and power has shown themselves to be not at all better, if anything worse. To me, having the Fatui be the "good guys" would be one of the greatest mistakes they could make, they have been shown to be almost exclusive genuinely bad people who either revel or do not care for others suffering, it simply cant be that they have some sort of super high goal that would justify their actions. That being said I do want to see them somehow actually be a threat to Celestia unless Celestia will be in some sort of twist the actual villains of the story because if they are no threat to Celestia than they dont really matter tbh. I hope its either that they will try something so outlandish to achieve their goal that everyone will band against them, or that they will somehow trick and really hurt Celestia so that we would have to step in. Personally so far im on the side of Celestia if anyone in this matter, and of course the denizens of this world, but again some conceptual future ending of the world by unknown forces simply isnt a good enough of a reason for anything the Fatui are doing, there has got to be more to it.
I would highly encourage anyone interested in the motivations of the Fatui to give Honkai impact 3rd a try. The story of Honkai parallels Genshin's a lot, and one of the characters in the story has goals that are very similar to what we've seen from the Fatui so far. They're of the mindset that saving the world and sacrificing humanity are not mutually exclusive things. Basically, you have to be willing to lose many battles if you're intent on winning the war. Especially when that war is against beings that are far and above anything you could hope to fight against. To them, life under the constant threat of the divine has virtually no meaning, and until they are truly "free" they cannot consider themselves to be truly living. The character(s) that have this mindset are one's who've already witnessed the destruction of their world and feel that as long as the greater threat is eliminated the ends justify the means (ex. humanity must defeat the honkai no matter the cost). Pierro having witnessed the destruction of his personal world, and most likely knowing it's bound to happen again has probably adopted a similar mentality. -And that's not even mentioning Otto.-
I still think, half-jokingly, that Pierro might be Kaeya's dad. Pierro survived the cataclysm from 500 years ago and became the First Harbinger, and he has never been replaced since. Is he cursed with immortality like Dain? It's strange that Kaeya was born nearly 500 years after the cataclysm. By process of elimination, this is only possible if his parents or one of them was cursed with immortality like Dain. Which probably means they're royalty or one of the high positions in the royal court. Pierro seems to tick those boxes. And Kaeya is prophesied to be a royal progeny. But idk, maybe I'm just biased towards my favorite character. (That, or the answer to this riddle is as simple as some time travel jumbo-dumbo.)
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Oh! And an important tidbit: When I say Fatui's Goals, I mean the goal of the organization, not the individualized aspirations and ambitions of the harbingers. I think I mentioned this in the end part but all the Harbingers have varying levels of loyalty to the Tsaritsa and her cause, as well as the overall cause of Burning the Old World for the sake a new world. Signora's and Scaramouche's loyalties for examples are different due to their motivations. So yea, that's it.
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Maybe Celestia is amused at the Fatui's struggles and their deeds aren't worth their attention. As far they are concerned, the organization itself is mostly made up by normal humans that only plays with elemental energy or have fancy technology. Perhaps Celestia WANTS to see how far the Fatui and the Tsaritsa is willing to go to achive their goals, and when the final line is crossed, Celestia can count all the sins they had done, and cursed them.
And probably do another Kheanr'ah on the Fatui.
@@MiroKono What is celestia was a an anti virus in a simulation.
Could be that they're making plans too.
My guess is that the traveler will be that final straw (the outlander in spite of everything the fatui have done joins them in a deal that they stop influencing other nations in exchange for the help of On of if not the strongest character in the world of teyvat
Maybe they think since it seems the organization is falling apart on itself (Scaras betrayal,signora dead,disloyalty) they dont need to iterfer they just have to wait.
I have a theory! In the interlude chapter teaser, Pierro says: "Absolute peace. Such as is the gift from her majesty, the Tsaritsa". So I think that the Tsaritsa's gift isn't love (like everybody else says) but peace. And Pierro created the Fatui Harbingers to oppose Celestia so that in the end no more nations will be destroyed like Kahenri'ah and no more wars would happen, fulfilling the Tsaritsa's goal of "absolute peace" while being sure the Cataclysm won't repeat itself.
so why does fatui keep making trouble in the other nations
@@aube_4243 they think the end justifies the means.
Her ideal could also be rebellion
After all, the Ultimate Peace is Death
@@aube_4243 they're willing to sacrifice their image for the greater good maybe?
I think the reason why Celestial hasn't done anything about the Fatui yet is because their main way of keeping eyes on Teyvat, which are Visions and Gnosis, are compromised by Delusions. One other theory I had is that Visions are Celestia's main way of keeping track persons of interests that are deemed to have the potential to pose a threat to the current order of Teyvat, and that the elemental powers is just a front to make getting a Vision something to desire rather than something to be suspicious of. The Tsaritsa knows this and needed a solution that makes sure that her entire plan and organization can go unnoticed long enough for Celestia to not nuke Snezhnaya until it's too late, and the Delusion is that solution. If Visions are called Visions because they allow Celestia to clearly see everything that is going on in Teyvat, then Delusions are called Delusions because they interfere with what Celestia is seeing through Visions. I think Delusions may be emitting some kind of aura or energy that affects all nearby Visions' ability to relay information to Celestia by distorting what the gods will see or replace them with fake information. For example, if a Fatui skirmisher armed with a Delusion where to get into a fight with a Vision user, when the gods at Celestia is looking through that Vision, all they would see is something that is contradictory to what's happening in reality, they will see something like the vision user simply going about their daily life instead of fighting a Fatuus, that is because Visions in close proximity to Delusions are distorted, so instead of seeing a clear pucture of what's happening around the Vision user, all that the gods would see are distorted information that contradicts what is actually happening in reality. This would explain why Tartaglia was given a Delusion despite the fact that he already has a Vision, although he may not know it himself, the Delusion is actually keeping him and all of his actions hidden from Celestia behind deceptive illusions, much like how all of the Fatui and their actions are kept hidden from Celestia thanks to their Delusions.
I entirely disagree. I don't think Delusions have that power, much like how Visions don't. I think a lot of it is the Ley Lines. We know Celestia is very iffy about normal people having the ability to see the Ley Lines, so they must be something.. Celestial. Similarly, I don't think Celestia is aware of what's going on in the Abyss.
If we go along the theory that the Fatui are already dead so they have no memories to go back to the Ley Lines, it would mean Celestia is unable to see what goes on, because they got disconnected from the Ley Lines.
But Tartaglia uses his vision without care??
@@lolosh99 they literally explained how celestia can't see what dead inside sugar daddy is doing.
to quote:
"This would explain why Tartaglia was given a Delusion despite the fact that he already has a Vision, although he may not know it himself, the Delusion is actually keeping him and all of his actions hidden from Celestia behind deceptive illusions, much like how all of the Fatui and their actions are kept hidden from Celestia thanks to their Delusions."
literally the final sentence at least read before pointing out contradictions
This theory seems the most logical as to why celestia hasn't interfere or nuked sneznhaya
I would also theorize that maybe celestia has no way of directly influencing the events of tevyat which is what the archons were for. Each archon has a gnosis that links them with celestia which I theorize that they are the pawns of Celestia, they are meant to look after tevyat for Celestia because they have no way to physically directly effect the events happening in tevyat.
The curse of khaenriah might be an exception but something as vague as a curse doesn't necessarily mean that they have to be there to curse them. And during the calamity of khaenriah, we knew that there is where makoto died because she went to that war without telling Ei and leaving inazuma with her. So from that we could theorize that the calamity is actually the works of the archon through the order of Celestia. They could be the ones wreaking havoc on khaenriah while Celestia used them as a medium to lay the curse upon the people of Khaenriah
We do have an actual solid Canon example to back this theory up however. If we have a look at orobashi and his downfall we know that it was Ei that have slain him because he came to close to the secrets of Celestia. Which explains why instead of having the gods at Celestia or the people running Celestia to stop orobashi, they had Raiden Ei instead to execute him as punishment for his actions.
And if this theory is linked up to the theory stated by op of the delusions having a distorting effect to the visions and gnosis then it makes a lot of sense as to why Celestia have not interfere with what the fatui and tsaritsa are doing.
I've also seen one theory that Celestia knows abt it but chose to ignore the fatui because they wanted to be amuse by humans but I doubt that was the case.
If they truly wanted to be amuse and only stop the fatui when they truly cross the line then why curse the entirety of khaenriah for just being independent of an archon? Why send raiden to kill orobashi for just reading a book? That to me doesn't make a whole lot of sense and contradicts to a lot of Canon stuff that we already know
The thing is, why would they look at someone like... Yun Jin, and deem her as a person who has "the potential to pose a threat?"
Genuinely. What about her would make the gods worry? Same goes for Barbara.
I think as far as the Tsaritsa's "peace" goes, it's not the same as our definition of peace. I remember in the Harbinger video, Pierro mentions. "Absolute Peace" from the Tsaritsa as she freezes Signora's coffin. Another thing that comes to mind is that Tsaritsa herself (via her Gemstone) says "burn the old world away for me". While it could be a simple synonym for "cleanse" or "remove" it's very specific and odd considering it's the exact opposite of her element, Cryo. And, in the Tevyat Chapter Preview, it's mentioned (during Natlan, and the Pyro Archon)
"The victors shall burn bright, while the losers must turn to ash." And said that it's a "secret" and it's existence being revealed to us is because the Pyro Archon "has her reasons". I find it hardly a coincidence that we're getting the "God of War" right before we get the "God of Love". My idea behind the Cryo Archon was always that (assuming her virtue was Love), the way she would obtain "Absolute Peace" would be the destruction of Celestia and perhaps even the world itself. Her "Love" of people and life could have been twisted into a more mal-intended ideal of ridding the world of everyone so no more life will die or be forced into a cycle of death. This idea of stasis or even eternity is referenced a lot as well in terms of real life cold. Cryogenic Sleep, Absolute Zero, they both come to mind when thinking of stillness or death. It would be a justification for why she doesn't seem to completely care who gets hurt now, be it God or citizen, even Children. It would also explain why freezing the coffin and palace it's housed in would be considered "peaceful" as well.
I won't be surprised if the Traveler turns Natlan's God of War into the God of Peace in just a few acts in the main storyline so that the Pyro Archon will become the springboard to redeem the Tsaritsa so Mihoyo could have her pull an Ei to make her banner more profitable.
Freezer burn XD
Humans are squirells, the Archons are the park reserve rangers and Celestia is their governing body. If all the squierrels that lived in a park reserve were plotting to overthrow humanity what would the local council do? The answer is nothing.
This guy gets it
It would be really ironic if Celestia are eventually destroyed due to their own arrogance, given they don’t hesitate to destroy nations due to ‘the arrogation of mankind.’ It would be karma and poetic justice.
It would also be really stupid.
Too much speculation,we dont even have an explanation or backstory of celestia as to why they're doing that,it would be really funny if at the end of genshin humanity is actually the true evil and not the abyss order or the gods of celestia.
@@satorii_2060 Feel the same tbh, getting tired from that kind of trope and humanity being always right and winning at the end. Also these tropes are getting real old
@@definitelynotempty same, i really hope the fatui loses since it would be so gooffy if the creator/above of gods/archons lost against humans.
I think you answered it yourself.
Celestia isn't doing anything because every single rebellion has failed so far.
They are confident that the Fatui will be stopped by either the twin you control, the abyss or a coalition of the countries they antagonized.
In their eyes, Celestia doesn't have to lift a finger because the Fatui are, at least apparently, digging their own grave since, in the end, they can gather as many gnosis they want, gather all the delusion they can make and awaken al lthe ruin guards available, but Shneznaya will still be one country.
That is, of course, unless the popular theory about all of the archons actually being in on the plan is true.
if that turns out to be the case then Celestia will play right into the Tsaritza's hands, underestimating the Fatui and naively expecting them to be dealt with by someone else, only to be face to face with the full forces of a united Teyvat at the very end
I'd say that whole thing hinges on the role the Underground Network/ Snezhnayan Kokomi's Resistance has in the main story. Their actions and the Harbingers with more questionable loyalties would decide whether the Fatui crumbles like so many other rebellions or get tempered enough to be more agreeable with the other nations to build a united front.
@@infectedumbrellagrunt3682 you know what? that's what actually worries me, i've been noticing that the Fatui's plan is getting more convoluted each time you meet them and i fear that, if the writers aren't skilled enough, they might fall flat on delivery.
and sadly the latest quest weren't exactly masterfully written (Yelan's story quest was quite abysmal if you ask me) lets' hope for the best :\
Archons do go along tsaritsa's plan(or atleast they don't like Celestia)
I don't know which archon, but Zhongli/Venti was saying that without gnosis they feel free
@@aster2790 yeah, i think they are faking it. they are pretending to hate the fatui and to be against them so that Celestia will relax and drop its guard
@@capitanspoiler7393 yes, lets believe writer skilléd enough so no plotholes and the story become banger
The answer might be right in front of our eyes after thinking about it. It’s kind of poetic and sad in a way. Fatui literally translate as fools and the Harbingers are named after characters in Commedia Dell’Arte. Even the latest teaser with the Fatui is known as a lazzo, a reference to the play, but can also be called a joke. To Celestia, I think watching all this unfold is like a comedic play.
Interesting how the last celestial activity was at the very start of the game. We haven’t seen anything from them which kinda frightens me
The Fatui are essentially actors performing a theater. They are the “Fools” who are trying to rebel against Celestia yet the Fatui themselves cannot do a thing, only prepare the circumstances so the Traveler, the only being that is not under the Laws of Teyvat, can have a shot at bringing Celestia down.
There have been theories of venti and zhongli secretly going along with tsaritsa's plan. But what if, instead of going along with it, they are actually doing it under the influence of the heavenly principle? Maybe the heavenly principle have long known about tsaritsa's plan, it's just waiting for her to reach to the point where she has to be eliminated. As in, the heavenly principle is trying to give itself a reason to destroy tsaritsa, since it couldn't just randomly do it without a reason.
Idk why I think that, maybe I've had something else in my mind but it didn't stayed for very long, and that's what's left after I picked up my thoughts and summarize it.
I mean... Zhongli openly traded his gnosis with Tsaritsa for somwthing we don't know yet, this going along is not that secret from his side
@@LittleDevilAkuma At least it's proven otherwise, my headcanon is that Zhongli exchanged it for Tsarita's bath water. Then Venti also emailed the Tsaritsa and said he thought that Signora was a Fair Lady indeed and he would like her to kick him and take his gnosis while insulting him. Tsaritsa agreed to his kink fetish but never taught Signora what a pervert Venti was.
If this is true this also means that Venti probably snitched on Istaroth the god of time, since Istaroth imo is super important in the story i mean c'mon he's the god of time if Venti was siding with celestia it would mean he would tell them everything so far Venti, Traveler, Ei and probably the heavenly principles know about Istaroth idk maybe im just trying to hard to be smart lol
@@universalspaceexpeditioner8259 naw bro zhongli isn't a simp
but venti probably is
@Harry Shade Here are my thoughts:
Is celestia almighty and all knowing? I believe they are indeed almighty as even beings like archons have to obey the law that they created, which is erosion. But they are probably not all knowing, why? Because if they are, they would've stopped khanriah and other nations that they destroyed before those nations tried to do anything that they don't like.
Since humans are not creatures that directly take orders from the heavenly principle, it is very likely that it has no way of knowing what we are thinking. Whereas the archons have shown to take direct order from it back when khanriah was destroyed. Which means the heavenly principle have been in contact with archons before, and it probably learned about tsaritsa's thought (like how we can somewhat read people's thought by looking at their face) at that time.
Back then, those nations were destroyed because they've all done something that would affect the world (maybe potentially destroying the world? idk) which is why the celestia destroyed it. Since they've had good enough reasons to destroy khanriah, that means they probably don't go around just destroying nations whenever they want. Since celestia know tsaritsa is a potential threat, her and her nation has to be eliminated, but since they haven't done anything that could potentially destroy the world (which lead back to my point of celestia not being all knowing), which is why it is trying to give itself a good enough reason to destroy snezhnaya.
These are some theories that I come up with without any back other than just logical thinking. Although it is probably most likely wrong, but it was pretty interesting don't you think?
The fatuis aren't stopped by Celestia, because Celestia has no way of knowing what is happening. The gnosis are the only way to communicate with them, and these are either already stolen by the fatuis, or the remaining archons simply have no ideas that theirs are about to get stolen, and thus can't alert Celestia either.
but on the fatuis POV, they couldn't just ask politely the 6 other nations to join their sides to take down the divine, for fear that one archon might alert Celestia in advance and ruin the fatui's revolution before it even begin. But, by resorting to violence and corruption, while they do indeed get closer to their goal, they are turning the other nations against them.
Snezhnaya might be the most technologically advanced nations of them all, if all 6 other countries goes against them, even without Celestia, they have no way of winning.
The fatuis are doomed either way.
As shown by the Fatui in the chasm, it‘s common knowledge in Snezhnaya that the Fatui are fighting against the divine and the heavenly principles. If the Tsaritsa really feared that some Archon would warn Celestia, it would be a great risk to tell all her people about the general goal.
I doubt the gnosis is the ONLY way to communicate with Celestia. As far as I know, it's not even confirmed that they're used for communication. It is only said to "tie" an archon to Celestia.
With that said, if Celestia tried to call Venti on the Gnosis Hotline, and ended up hearing Pierro's dusty voice, you think they wouldn't be able to deduce that the Anemo Archon's Gnosis was stolen, and thus would at LEAST go see what's up?
It's not like anyone contacted them about Khaenri'ah, Celestia found out on their own, and attacked.
I had this theory since Celestia is watching them,the Tsaritsa is making sure to make herself look like the bad guy towards the other nations so that if the plan against Celestia may fail,or celestia thinks they are in cahoots,the other nations will be spared
A true mercy from the god of love to make sure the other nations dont get wiped out like Khanriah.
@@Minamiii-e7y the only problem with this theory is that t actually makes the Cryo Archon sympathetic, so hoyo can't do that.
I'm expecting that she's going to randomly have a sibling she loves or something.
Traveler and sibling doesnt even have vision, yet they get tracked down by celestia, not to mention they just wanna leave from teyvat. There should be more logical explanation behind all this, and why traveler, an outlander needed in this story of teyvat.
Imagine the great irony when being called the Fatui truly means they are fools.
That being under Celestia, they were predestined to this little charade.
Imagine if they were told this. Hench why Celestia never bother to interfere in the first place.
I don't think that this is their main goal, but what if the fatui is trying to make humanity become more independent from Celestia. By giving them delusions so people people won't have to get visions from Celestia, and taking the gnosis from the Archons so they don't have any real connection to Celestia anymore- what if their trying to distancing Teyvat as much as they can from Celestia by cutting any ties that would make them reliant on Celestia?
As they say “the road to evil is paved with good intentions”
Or at least it was something similar to that. And I think that quote is very fitting for the Fatui.
They’re the ends justify the means people of Genshin Impact. At least that’s what Pierro and the Tsaritza seem to be.
Maybe to maintain peace, the Tsaritsa is protecting her people with something like a thick layer of ice over Snezhnaya, as we can see the cryo slime wih a thick ice 'helmet'. Maybe that could prevent the celestia pillar (similar to the ones in Chasm and Dragonspine). The Tsaritsa seems to be quite powerful and clever.
i think that a reason for the co-existence between celestia and the fatui/snezhnaya is because the nation is ultimately led by the tsaritsa, someone who is in possesion of a gnosis. gnosis roughly means 'knowledge', so maybe the tsaritsa is cleverly bending or avoiding breaking the heavenly principles, as she most likely knows them well. also, possessing a gnosis perhaps means having knowledge of what khaenri'ah was discovering. because the tsaritsa was permitted to have the gnosis/knowledge she cant be punished for it. maybe khaenri'ah was close to finding/creating gnoses of their own
Every heavenly principle gangsta until the fatui pulls up a comedically large ladder
I think the statement that "checkmate is not where the game ends" is a nod to a greater threat than Celestia.
It’ll be very funny if it turns out that Celestia was doing all those deeds to hold back something worse. I dont really subscribe to the Honkai theory but if it’s true it’ll be amusing as to how Teyvat deals with that. Personally tired of humanity killing off deities and getting no repercussions from, I don’t know, killing beings with connections to reality itself?
“ooohhh competition, let’s keep them alive seems fun”
this is what i think
Mt theory is that the whole of Teyvat us already dead. You are simply accessing the ley line's memories which would explain why we can redo events in different ways.
Now thats.........grim.....and dark 😰
That's just like the "coma theory," if it is true then it is just lazy writing on Hyv's part
Maybe they are waiting for them to reach a cross the line so they can just snap them out of existence or is waiting to see the arcon thritsa action then go?
I dont think they would snap them out of existence, lol maybe they think its just a game, if they really wanted to the could of course snap them and the cyro archon out of existence, but what the fun of cheating game u know u could win in an instant. Or I could be one big test for the archons and the people of teyvat lol
Either Celestia knows the Fatui will fail or Celestia is currently occupied with a problem far greater than the Fatui
Am I the only one who thought the recipient of the "Burn away the old world" comment was Signora? I mean so far, burning stuff, particularly the world, has been kind of her thing, and it is implied that she had a somewhat close relationship with the Tsaritsa in *some* form. Venti implied that she "stole" the Tsaritsa's face, although it could imply a deeper symbolism, plus the Tsaritsa trusted Signora with collecting the gnoses of the Archons.
1. Signora, who had thus far as the crimson witch doing her own thing, exclusively started following the Tsaritsa's path after becoming a Harbinger with unusual devotion and loyalty. It did seem like she was also "shouldering the grievances of the world" with her.
2. The Cryo delusion she received was meant to prevent her from burning away. She had an innate "desire to burn", but could stave it off by "enduring [the Tsaritsa's] bitter cold".
Since the above two quotes seemed to fit Signora, I had naturally assumed the third was meant for her, too.
Counterpoint for my own point:
All the lines in the gemstones are uttered by the Archons in the *current* storyline. Signora is dead. So this is either more Signora copium, or the Tsaritsa *does* say all these things to the traveller, in which case they might serve as a nice foil for Signora. Although, considering the traveller seems to be siding heavily with Dain rn, it would be interesting to see how/why they change their minds.
"For the Greater Good" is easily the most terrifying and heinous justification of all.
there is another thing that i find strange. if the tsarista really wants peace in the world, why did dainsleif say that she has no love left for her people?
The fatui wants to stop playing chess and start a checkers game.
Logically there’s only 2 answers to this question:
1. Celestia isnt interested in such futile attempt
2. There is no Celestia to begin with.
Then who are they actually fighting against?
Me
Or perhaps Celestia has been killed by something way worse
@@ChillwithAsterimagine if celestia died in the cataclysm. 😂
I can imagine the gods of Celestia being like:
God 1:"Hey guys, check it out! Tsaritsa's pawn have gathered the fourth gnosis now!"
God 2:"Wrong, that boy created by Makoto (they almost certainly don't know it's actually Ei) took it for himself and quit the Fatui. If he gets it's power and scares off the Fatui, it's checkmate for them!"
God 3:"Yeah, *IF* he manages in time..."
I they know about Ei...but who knows but honestly i think they know about the twin gods but make no argument against it x)
I read this reddit theory about Celestia and the traveller's identity and it made me look so different about Celestia that there may be instances that i think they are doing the right thing with Teyvat. With that said tho, i feel like Celestia would insert itself suddenly in the story that even the Fatui would get shaken up and would be the final boss. I hope however that the story doesn't end with just the Celestia being the final bad. The traveller has so much mystery behind them that it would make into a great material. Can't disagree that i do want to see an Evil Traveller in the story.
Actually yes considering what they did to Sal Vindagynr I would think Celestia would try to stop the fatui but maybe the world of Tevyat the fatui exists in already is set with obstacles by Celestia, hence why they wouldn't do anything knowing they've already prepared to take them down
The use of reverb is giving this video a whole different layer of depth. Very nice
For all the gods talk of mortal arrogation, I like to think they haven't acted because they don't believe the fatui is capable of anything.
0:14 but we learned from the Raiden Shogun that the Archons don't grant visions. They have nothing to do with who gets them and who doesn't.
amazing video aster, you continue to amaze me with how good you are as a creator
Regarding the Fatui's motivations, I don't think think them causing so much suffering to get their goals done is necessarily contradictory to wanting world peace if they subscribe to a utilitarianist worldview. Could justify it by saying it will break the cycle of the old world where nations seem to consistently have the citizens on nations tortured for centuries(turning into monsters like hilichurls), and could say their actions to prevent this cycle from continuing are overall worth it(cause less total suffering) when looking at the bigger picture.
Thanks for the multiple uploads !
I get the impression Celestia aren't in any condition to physically stop the Fatui at the moment because it's implied (by a translation) that the Sustainer/Unknown God is either on her deathbed or gone by the time the game started.
The English dub says: "The keeper is fading."
The other translations, however, say, "The Sustainer is dying."
I imagine the Sustainer would step in, but she's too sick to do anything and it's unclear if there's anyone else in Celestia that can actually fill in for her.
Where is this said?
@@pozzsicle It's the first thing under the Traveler's lore section:
The English one says: "The keeper is fading away; the creator has not yet come.
But the world shall burn no more, for you shall ascend."
But the Chinese version calls refers to the Sustainer instead of the Keeper. The wiki has a literal translation of the English line (under a note), but other places online like Reddit and Twitter both translate that the Chinese version is referring to the Sustainer as well.
@@ponderer1315 thanks!
That would explain how the other twin managed to break free of the sustainer "prison" and still have their original power. They somehow defeated the sustainer.
There's one scenario under which Fatui would have strong reason to self-justify their own actions, one that many animes explored and mhy sure loves these kind of anime stories - Evangelion's Instrumentality. It wouldn't matter to them how much pain they're inflicting, if in the end everyone - including the dead - is going to transcend into some form of higher existence.
however the story of evangelion isn't toward instrumentality, but a rejection of it by the humans. instrumentality is only desired by seeles because they are cursed with immortality so they are not mortal to begin with, and they see instrumentality as a release from their curse of immortality. which actually sound more like the abyss than fatui.
I feel celestia is going to use shneznia as a second khaenry’ah, make an example of what happens when you threaten celestia
Which, i belive, celestia is far more scared of the void than it is of the tsarista
Interesting...I think also that the Tsaritsa may not be in control of the Fatui, but the other way around. I think she fell for Pierro long ago and he has been using her to complete his agenda against the gods ever since. The question is, if she knows this (and I think she does), why does she let him get away with it? Love?
Maybe she is the god of love? Dain refers to her as the god with no more love left, maybe she used to be that.
I've thought for a while that the Tsaritsa has been either killed, or is being held/controlled/imprisoned in a way that the Fatui are essentially siphoning off her power for their own use. Kinda like how in Final Fantasy 7, Genova was being kept prior to being released.
@@LBCAndrew it could be like dat wat if it was pierro whos doing it creating the fatuis and decieving them to get what he wants. Revenge on celestia on wat they did to their nation. I mean hes a freakin khanrianh guy pretty sure hes the king or something important.
Since you put it that way, let the fanon shipping and fanart production commence!
Well no
In cryo stone description Tsaritsa asks fatui to burn world for her
(every elemental stone has archon's quote in description)
everybody says fatui are so dumb and doomed to fail but i disagree. they always get what they want in the end, if you think about it. it even seems like they had already planned that scaramouche would steal the electro gnosis, from trailer video. and i simply don't think that tsaritsa and pierro just sat and thought "oh so many civilizations got destroyed because they went against the heavenly principles, and we have just gone through one. so why don't we be the next lol"
I think they have enough power/knowledge or at least access to enough power/knowledge to challenge Celestia. and celestia already offended archons after they had them destroy the khaenri'ah, so i don't think they will do the same to Snezhnaya since all archons might team up against them this time
Thank you very much for an incredible video Aster! I am certain that we all appreciate your efforts.
Lore channels worth their salt always make our games that much more enjoyable. Thanks
Wow this is probably one of your top 10 videos Aster! Ive seen most of your past videos since the last years and this one is much more than just a 10.
I deeply believe that Celestia is exactly like Yae Miko,They are just watching the show.
Celestia is amazed by the Fatui and wants to watch till the end before they use Traveler (The fourth descender) as their last card.
"The war has already begun, its just a continuation of past battles" god you really lost the opportunity to put that in the end of the video
Your storytelling always amuse me!!
Maybe Celestia wanted the Tsaritsa's plot to progress but not powerful enough to absolutely threaten the Celestia.
To repeat some on what I've said on Aster's previous post maybe JUST maybe while it appears that the Fatui are winning the war it was actually Gods of Celestia who is winning the war by making it appear that the Tsaritsa is winning enough to make the Fatui become arrogant and FOOL themselves to be lured in a trap set by Celestia.
And once the Nation of Snezhnaya took the bait the Celestia would be given enough justification to take down the Frozen land with its full might just like on how they took down the Godless Nation of Khaenriah.
What if Celestia aren't as powerful as we think they are? What if their power is limited in some way? I think them destroying nations has made us assume some things that aren't actually true. What if they have less control of the world than we think? What if they can only exercise their power at certain points?
Genshin lore and all is summed up with this words perfectly, at least for me: So many questions, so little answers.
Though I'd happily dabble in these than the meta lmao
In before the only reason celestia hasn't done anything is due to them already being dead and the being we fought in the intro/pick a twin cutsence is sitting alone in heaven. Kinda like nier automata 🤔 what if when the gods ended human civilization 500 years ago, the humans unleashed a weapon that ended the gods and now only one remains and orders the 7 to follow the celestial principles under the guise of being the whole of celestia and not just one God remaining?
I had the same question! I mean these dastards kill people for having knowledge that a book exists but you have people who are actively trying to overthrow you and your... silent
It's pretty much the basis of my theory that Celestia was injured by one of the Travelers when they were trying to get to Teyvat
I discovered your channel recently and I'm loving it! I don't know if you already talked about this (I'm going through your videos from new to old) but I looked in the latin dictionary and "fatuus" means "stupid, fool, silly". And fatuus/fatui are even in the correct declinations from latin!
This channel deserve more love.
I'm excited for more content.
🌸❤️It was just the uploaded needed to greet the evening and make it intriguing affair.❤️🌸
I think Celestia is already interfering with the Fatuis. In regards to this, Paimon is the only candidate that I can think of. Remember when Kazuha told us that Paimon smells like stars? I think that Paimon is somehow hiding herself to monitor whether Teyvat is worth saving or not.
I was just thinking about this when I was doing the knew event!
HEY I WAS JUST WATCHING YOUR STREAM AND NOW THIS CAME OUT TYY (I love all these fatui vids)
This is crazy and i am all for it, keep up the good content
Assuming Primo One was the one in charge of Celestia. If the Primo One lost to the Second Throne who is now in charge of Celestia? The Second Throne but the problem is he or she can’t conquer Teyvat as long as the fake sky (Egg of the Primo One) is still standing. So, whats the best plan? To wait for someone to tear down the sky. The Fatui will win and at the same time fall with Teyvat and the Abyss. Its how I see it. Fatui’s think they’re the players, but in fact they’re just pawns in a bigger chessboard (Honkai wink wink)
tbh, I think the only ones capable of doing something to Celestia rn is the Abyss Order bc abyss power actually hurt divine beings, but the AO is too goofy and incompetent lol I think hoyo will make them more of a threat in the future tho, like they did with the Fatui. It would be interesting for the AO to have the upper hand at some point bc it would mean that Celestia is the one responsible for the creation of their worst enemy. However, I think the story will probably go to a path of unity, with everyone (humans, archons, fatui, abyss order) uniting to defeat Celestia after finding out the true about who they are.
True, both the abyss order and fatui feel like a clown show though.. At least when we're discussing overthrowing Celestia.
Sure the fatui have power on Teyvat, but they mostly wield their power over humans. We have seen them control a nation with a god who is in a coma like 90% of the time, a god who is retiring, and a god who can't be bothered to do her job and throws a tantrum in her room instead.
It's not really "threatening" that they hold significant power in these places... It feels like an adult winning a fight with a 12 year old. The enemy they're overtaking is just... not impressive.
As for the Gnoses, what do they even do? For all we know, they're just walkie talkies between Celestia and the Archons. Venti was fine afterwards, Zhongli signed it away, Raiden gave it up years ago.
And they want to go against Celestia?? I know Dottore has the whole 'fragments' thing, all the fatui have their quirks... But at the end of the day, it just seems like they're playing with fun toys rather than going against Celestia.
The Abyss Order, while also an absolute clown show, feels much more serious in their pursuits, likely because they have suffered the curse that Celestia gave to them.
I also feel like we're going to get some sort of unity between them, because right now neither group has a chance in hell of beating Celestia.
@@jadecoolness101 i hope we get some answers about what the gnosis do in Sumeru since Scaramouche ran away with Ei's. It would be an opportunity for them to give us more lore but idk, it might take a while ;-;
Snezhnaya... here lies Teyvat's bloody history of greed and hatred.
I find it funny how the fatui have such deep motives for their actions, but on the game some fatui literally say they are evil.
My big question is: are their even multiple gods in celestia? Or like, only 3 or 1?
Shirley archon say that there are gods and celestia, but who's to say that there isn't just one prime God that can alter the memories of others. Maybe there was only the unknown god, phanes and the time God came on that ruled over celestia. But paymon was later discarded. This is a baseless theory though, just food for thought.
It is stated in one of the books from Enkanomiya that the Primordial One came with his four Shining Shades (Isaroth is one of them, if I am not mistaken), so that makes five. Plus the Sustainer of Heavenly Principles, so six in total. At least, six that we know of.
@@emaelysamariatocu9783 well, it would be funny if there was only seven. Then it would be just like the seven archons.
Yea indeed. Pleace exuse the crassness but in Sweden there is a saying..."waging war for peace, is like f***ing for virginity". Meaning, its a paradoxical goal that dont work.
These 11 are single-handedly the most interesting characters in the game and probably in gaming history as well
Gaming history is a bit much. There are plenty better examples to pick from. Let's wait for the game to end before making outlandish claims.
To celestia, the fatuis are another case from the same motives of the previous nailed nations kek
0:34 look at Signora's fear!!!! she was indeed scared of venti,, he let her take his gnosis!
The last time a deity did something Celestia didn't like, they sentenced him to death, so things are not looking good for the Tsaritsa. Then again, maybe her survival isn't part of her plan. What I'm more interested in is the fact that the traveller has commited the same "sin" as Orobashi by reading that book, yet no one showed up to execute her. The abyss order is also doing weird things to the statue and the nail, but again nothing happens. Makes you wonder if Celestia is busy with something they consider a bigger threat, like infighting. Istaroth is implied to be working against whoever is in charge
Correct me if I’m wrong but doesn’t “gnosis” literally mean “knowledge” in Greek? So maybe the Tsaritsa needs all pieces of the “knowledge” and Celestia hasn’t interfered yet because unlike morax, the Tsaritsa can just leak the “knowledge” that she already have?
The thing is in order to create a new world you have to destroy the prior one
Good stuff as usual Asty.
While their military might be the strongest, they are not omnipotent. An alliance between 2 or 3 nations maybe enough to stop them. We learn that invading other countries by force could have terrible consequences and that the risks aren't worth it.
Mondstadt is probably the only one where they use force openly and get away with it because Varka took almost all their forces away leaving them near helpless.
It was said that breaking into Inazuma by brute force was incredibly difficult and not worth the price which was they settled for dismantling it from within.
The seven heavenly virtues are faith, hope, charity, fortitude, justice, temperance and prudence.
Their plans reminds me of Madara's Eye of the Moon plan in Naruto. Trying to create world peace by putting everyone in the world under a genjutsu(an illusion or dream).
the idea you present of eternal 'destruction and creation' makes me think of the Shivada Jade. The localized English name of the stones are named after Hindu gods of air, earth, thunder, seas, fire, etc domains that are equivalent to Teyvat's elements and their descriptions are written from the perspective of their archons. Now the god Shiva, namesake of the Shivada Jade, isn't a god of snow and ice like the Tsaritsa but he is a god of destruction and creation. The naming choice for the Shivada Jade and the Fatui's plan to burn away the old world fits in nicely with your theory in this video
Hey Aster. A thing that i think you could fix with your videos is perhaps getting a pop filter for your microphone. The sounds you make that have s's or words that have the sound of a hssss, are all really really loud and overpower everything. Hope you see this cuz id like ti help a bit
Also if you know the Toaru Anime series I'm starting to see that some of the Tsaritsa's goals are aligned with Aleister Crowley who intends to destroy the Gods and the Concept of Magic through the power of Science as he sees it as the only way for Mankind to be freed and accelerate its Evolution as a species. But this was done through a lot of countless human sacrifices just to fuel this goal.
As mona said, destiny can't be either decided or changed once the stars had something save for u there's only matter of time in order to that think to happen what you can do is suspend it to happen but it only be temporary and eventually it will occur so i think that's why, Celestia doesn't interfere bc as we know they follow the celestial principles it would make sense (since Scaramouche said the sky is fake) that Celestia 's gods are the one who both create the stars (aka destiny) and make sure to follow what the stars say, maybe in the destiny of the Tsarista is battle against the divine but fail in the process and then face the consequences of that, and celestia is only waiting to happen
I can imagine everyone is Celestia with whipped cream on their hands ready face palm all of them and then blast circus music while utter squashing them between their fingers like ants.
I feel like there's certain conditions or pre requirements for Celestia to take action. They either need a bigger or closer threat (a direct attack) or they don't have unlimited power to spend freely around (and Tsarisa knowing that is taking advantage to make her move before it's too late).
In the end the mc will indeed live the same experience as the twin that had to see khareah getting destroyed not being able to do anything but now the Abyss and the Fatui are preparing to fight with some intel they got from the past (maybe they found a weakness). Also the fatui may not look like a problem, but they are not considering the Abyss to make a move with them (they can't track the abyss moves).
I have this idea that the end of this game will be the beggining of it... it's like the abyss traveler had already pass thru all of it and so do we and the hole thing is happening in circles... The destiny is already written. Maybe we can be the abyss traveler when we reach the end...
About the last thing u said the Fatui do want peace they just want to make the Archons and traveler step in to have the right moment to eliminate them it makes sense because traveler’s sibling is the abyssal prince/princess and the Fatui hate the abyss Maybe the Fatui know that they have to eliminate us so that we won’t get in the way of them eliminating our sibling
I have a theory! Maybe Celestia isn't doing anything because they want to see how long they can play to be God by taking Archon's gnosis with them. So, maybe they'd interfere at the perfect timing, perhaps when the Traveler reunites all the gnosis and therefore they'd punish the nations by sending monsters.
Idk I just want a final battle scene where monsters are attacking the nations and we see all the character we've met so far fighting for the sake of their place, it'd be so cool I'm almost imagining it.
Completely going off topic but.. the location of Snezhnaya on the world map kind of coincides with the Qin state's location from China's warring states period, because they're both in the western to northwest area of their respective worlds. And similarly to the Qin state, Snezhnaya seems hellbent on conquering the rest of the land around them, or at the very least subjugating/destabilizing them. It just personally stood out to me as someone who is a big fan of ancient Chinese history.
Why did you think that the Cryo archon is talking to the traveler in the Shiva Jade gemstone? Maybe she's talking to Pierro?
To start - about the peace.I think syaing that Fatui in fact, don't want to achieve peace', could be wrong, and the answer is very simple why - we are looking at it from our perspective, and as many other things, peace, despite having strong definition, falls into subjective category at the end of the day. I mean, look at the real world, when asked, many people wopuld say - not all, but majority - that the world is at peace, despite having literal wars at the time as we speak happening in some corners of the world.For some peace means peace inside their own bubble and in the neighbouring regions, for some a complete world peace where humans live in a harmony without destroying each other in the name of some kind of ideology or greed, and for some - it means COMPLETELY something else.This is why I believe, that the fatui - or at least tsaritsa - indeed want a peace, however, in their own way.Personaly, I think that it could mean two things (but ofc , I could be wrong). first, that the cryo archon wants to a complete destruction of the old nations with the strongest only surviving and simply start a new, with celestia, ofc, abolished., with no gods sitting in the throne.The other option, could be that the tsarica wants to not just kill celestia, but also take a hold of their place, seizing their throne and becoming the new celestia, but going against every rule that celestia had established and just follow her own ideologies.In this scenario she could destroy teyvat as a whole, but most likely she wouldn't, she would be simply just another absolute ruler. Of course all of it could be wrong, as so far we don't know much, and she and the fatui would want completely something else.
And finaly, why does Celestia doesn't care?To this one, I think the answer is the simplest one - as a highest being, or at least as they think of themselves - they simply don't feel threatened.I mean, for them ithe fatui seems like a bunch of ants performing a theatrical spectacle and nothing more, which is ironic, knowing the inspiration behind fatui.
Tho I do have a crack theory about which I thought some time ago and laughed it off, but nowadys, this idea reappears in my minds more often.The crack theory is - what if celestia does nothing because they could be either dead, or very wekeaned and at the verge of dying, due to a corruption that they've got during the archon war or right before it, from something? That would also explain why the sustainer is so desperate to keep everyone away from the celestia at all costs,as she knows that their end is nigh, and possibly , hers too, as she also could be corrupted or simply eroding away, but doesn't want to accept this kind of fate.Tho as I said, it is far-fetched, but I wouldn't be suprised that AT LEAST a part of it would turn out to be ture later in the future.
Just in case - sorry for any grammatical errors and typos, I write fast, I make mistakes and I do have eye problems so sorryin advance.
Why do I have the feeling that if the Fatuis successfully liberate Teyvat from the Gods, that's when something bad will happen... like the what happened in RWBY, where Salem tried to eliminate the 2 gods... only it eliminated all of the humanity and magic, except for Salem.
Celestia probably knows the traveler will stop them and they probably know that the fatui actually cannot stop them
I feel like the 6 nations would of agreed to help the fatui achieve their goals and defeat the divine.
It's just that the Fatui is scared that one of the archons might alert the heavenly principals
I wonder if they'll actually succeed and we'll get GGZ-style ending
And that's why I feel like they need the traveler to enter the fatui in order for the rebellion to actually work against Celestia, given that the twins are the only ones to not be sealed by fate. Or maybe I'm just dumb, idk.
One thing I find interesting is that Celestia are commonly painted as the designated villains but looking objectively (unless you use a Honkai lens which I wont for the sake of this) they don't really do anything particularly villainous. The people under Celestia live good stable lives without the threat of warfare. Each country is ruled in their own fucked up ways by our standards but for the most part it seems to work out for the people.
Ei was a driver of conflict and Electro Visions suddenly dried up. We know she isn't in charge of handing them out so Celestia was likely trying to make a decision regarding the Electro Archon (speculatively, replacement?)
The civilizations that were destroyed by Celestia don't seem to be peaceful ones. Often what's looked at is their technological progress and not their actions. War begets conflict, conflict begets choice, choice stands against pre-determination, standing against pre-determination means standing against Celestia.
Celestia has every reason to see themselves as the good guys. Meanwhile the Abyss opposes Celestia with a deontological point of view possibly destroying everything for their duties. The Fatui meanwhile want to "seize the gods' authority", if we take this literally they mean to take the place of Celestia which would just place the utilitarian rule under new management.
As for why Celestia takes no action there are some possibilities. Maybe they haven't reached the critical mass required for Celestia to take action. Maybe they have already taken action (theory of mine in regard to this is that Childe is meant as a means of destroying them from the inside due to numerology / constellation references, but I digress.) Maybe the Fatui are necessary because this is how Celestia iterates on itself?
The story hasn't even reached it's halfway point though so there's limits to how well we can speculate.
Well, if we take the fact that Fatui means "Fools" in latin...
Celestia sees the Fatui as what their organization name means; utter fools. If I were Celestia, I would just see them as foolish people who are marching towards a nonexistent goal. Like, if you compare Fatui to Celestia, obviously, Celestia can win against the Fatui even if the latter has 11 harbingers with Delusions.
Actualy pierro named the fatui because he thought it was foolish to go against gods
A lot of people think that the Fatui are 'good guys' because Celestia has done a lot of bad things. I don't think this is the case though. Two wrongs don't make a right. The Fatui have done far too many evil acts to make them any better than the System they are trying to overthrow.
Also a growing theme that I feel recurring is the emphasis of humanity. The archons of the current three nations we have visited have all come to a similar conclusion of letting humanity decide the course of the future. The Fatui lack any sort of connection to humanity. I don't think there is anything they can do to ever warrant them as 'The good guys.'
Yea I have to say, at this point in the story I dont really care what Celestia is supposed to have done or to do, what the Fatui, their harbinger and their stupid tsaritza are doing is quite frankly inexcusable by any means, the sacrifices they make now for some theoretical hypothetical future where all is at peace is simply nonsensical and incredibly naive and I really hope that isnt all there is to it, even if they do manage to create their new world, with people like them in it, it will hardly be any better. I do think there is more to it, but I really hope that the story wont try to make us sympathise or side with the Fatui over the gods just cause "gods bad" when the people in this world, especialy those with knowledge and power has shown themselves to be not at all better, if anything worse.
To me, having the Fatui be the "good guys" would be one of the greatest mistakes they could make, they have been shown to be almost exclusive genuinely bad people who either revel or do not care for others suffering, it simply cant be that they have some sort of super high goal that would justify their actions. That being said I do want to see them somehow actually be a threat to Celestia unless Celestia will be in some sort of twist the actual villains of the story because if they are no threat to Celestia than they dont really matter tbh. I hope its either that they will try something so outlandish to achieve their goal that everyone will band against them, or that they will somehow trick and really hurt Celestia so that we would have to step in. Personally so far im on the side of Celestia if anyone in this matter, and of course the denizens of this world, but again some conceptual future ending of the world by unknown forces simply isnt a good enough of a reason for anything the Fatui are doing, there has got to be more to it.
I would highly encourage anyone interested in the motivations of the Fatui to give Honkai impact 3rd a try. The story of Honkai parallels Genshin's a lot, and one of the characters in the story has goals that are very similar to what we've seen from the Fatui so far. They're of the mindset that saving the world and sacrificing humanity are not mutually exclusive things.
Basically, you have to be willing to lose many battles if you're intent on winning the war. Especially when that war is against beings that are far and above anything you could hope to fight against. To them, life under the constant threat of the divine has virtually no meaning, and until they are truly "free" they cannot consider themselves to be truly living. The character(s) that have this mindset are one's who've already witnessed the destruction of their world and feel that as long as the greater threat is eliminated the ends justify the means (ex. humanity must defeat the honkai no matter the cost). Pierro having witnessed the destruction of his personal world, and most likely knowing it's bound to happen again has probably adopted a similar mentality.
-And that's not even mentioning Otto.-
amazing video but i dunno about the voice echo tbh
I still think, half-jokingly, that Pierro might be Kaeya's dad. Pierro survived the cataclysm from 500 years ago and became the First Harbinger, and he has never been replaced since. Is he cursed with immortality like Dain? It's strange that Kaeya was born nearly 500 years after the cataclysm. By process of elimination, this is only possible if his parents or one of them was cursed with immortality like Dain. Which probably means they're royalty or one of the high positions in the royal court. Pierro seems to tick those boxes. And Kaeya is prophesied to be a royal progeny. But idk, maybe I'm just biased towards my favorite character. (That, or the answer to this riddle is as simple as some time travel jumbo-dumbo.)