Are Older Omega SMP's Better? Seamaster Professional Critique (+ Classic Alternatives)
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- A Discussion around the Omega Seamaster Professional and asking whether the Older Models were better? After over a decade since their release, the current Seamaster Professional 300 models do come under scrutiny. Whether its their new size at 42mm, their continual increase in case thickness or non-tapering width of their bracelets. Many are resorting to looking back at older variants and discovering that their slim profiles and simpler designs might have been what made them so successful in the first place.
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Intro 0:00
The Modern Seamaster Professional 1:05
Original SMP "Organic" Design 2:51
Dressier Sports Watch 3:34
Seamaster Increase in Diameter (42mm) 4:06
Seamaster Case Thickness (13.7mm) 5:33
Seamaster No Bracelet Taper (20mm) 6:44
Brutal in Design, Less Svelte 7:30
Were Older Omega SMP's Better? 8:38
Future for the SMP (Bond 60th)? 10:25
Closing Thoughts 11:20
Conclusion 12:20
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Agree 100%. The first watch I bought myself, after seeing it on someone’s wrist, was the 2254. I decided I wanted to use it as a tool watch is intended and charge it with memories. I surfed with it around the world (and it was discreet enough so that I wouldn’t get my arm chopped off), I swam with it, got my Padi with it, competed in triathlons with it and it has just been incredible. So robust and such an incredible design. But I could also wear it in the office, it slips discreetly under a shirt cuff without the bezel tearing the fabric. It ruined watches a little for me and I struggled to find something that was as ergonomic, well designed and beautiful. Got my first Rolex Explorer 2 (that I adore) but can hardly read at night. That 2254 cost me a third maybe a quarter of the Rolex and its lume was far superior. After a decade I wanted to move on and I have owned a couple watches but never finding the same appreciation and attachment… until the Pelagos FXD landed and blew my mind. I found in that watch the best surf and turf partner money can buy, from the UFO style lume to the gorgeous blue color on my first titanium case. It was nearly perfect… until it tore all my work shirt cuffs to pieces. The old Seamasters are definitely a very underrated collection and incredible value for money. Thanks for the video and continuous education.
Man, this has got to be the top comment of the video... I'm actually going to pin it. Goes to show how much a great design feels "made" to be worn. Really dig your story of how the watch accompanied you everywhere and still has its place. Also ditto on the FXD. It was the perfect diver for my week away in the Mediterranean... kinda think it'll always be my exercise / travelling watch from here on out. Ridiculous lume, bi-directional bezel fantastic in the salt (practical) no worries about failing springbars - I could go on... Really appreciate the feedback on this Fredo and thanks again brother! 🥃
What kind of damage did the fxd do to your cuffs?
Thanks, much appreciated. As I watched your videos I realized how much our tastes aligned. That FXD is special. Saw the new black one in the metal with the khaki strap and man it looks good. Funny I also did alot of swimming and free diving with the FXD in the Corsica this summer and it really added to the experience. Funny enough the Seamaster and FXD are my only watches to elicit interested comments from colleagues and mates more so than the Rolexes. So I guess their design is compelling even to people who aren’t really into watches.
Love the new Zenith by the way! That case is really fabulous. A mate of mine has a vintage one and its off the charts.
So for the shirt cuff: I have two buttons on the shirt, one loose where the watch will slip under the cuff and the bezel has gently frayed the fabric and I now have little strings of fabric sticking out as it has torn a little layer on the inside of the cuff (Rolex bezels are even worse). When I close the tighter button which stops the cuff going over the watch the velcro strap has frayed the edge of the cuff. Its an expensive choice to wear that watch to work. The Explorer 2 with its smooth steel bezel doesn’t have that problem.
I have the quartz version of the Brosnan watch. Unbelievably svelte for a dive watch…as such, I still wear it all the time. Brilliantly comfortable.
I've got the same watch as you,i adore it,it's absaloute class.
I also have the 2541.80. Omega have since become a cash grab company producing endless amounts of licenced rubbish.
Same here, I think it's the best version - you can also change the battery and gasket yourself which reduces the service costs. I just had to buy a case back removal tool.
I have had my mid-size 36mm Seamaster 300 Professional (2551.80.00) for over 20 years. Looks like new after recent Omega service, except for the "faded" lume. Very comfortable, very classic, very keepable.
36mm is much too small... best for a woman's wrist
i have a small wrist, and this is the watch I have. For me, it's beautiful and perfect
During a trip to Italy in 93, I passed an Omega dealership every day. One day I took the time to look at the window... the design of the 2531 was fresh compared to my 14060 and the quality of the whole thing was almost superior, especially for the bracelet. What I subsequently learned during my first revision was that my dial was very rare because it did not have the chronometer designation on the dial (caliber 1109). 30 years later it is still part of my collection.
Great content, nice video.
That's very nice. It's the reference 2531.81, sold only in Italy.
I think Omega put the caliber 1108 in that model instead of the 1109.
I have a 1993 2531.80 (Chronometer) with tritium lume and it has the 1109.
Omega replaced the 1109 caliber with the 1120 in 1994.
the tritium lume aged so well on these models@@harrysunford8965
It's the small details (subtle as they may be) that change the wearing experience from previous generations for sure.
If Omega can address the (refined) look fo these pieces for future models as you mentioned, that would be a step in the right direction for sure.
I have stopped myself from pulling the trigger in recent years for many of the thoughts you just shared, also gotta agree with you regarding the first generation ceramic, you could say it's almost the best of both worlds ..maybe something to seriously look into
Excellent video as always thanks for sharing, cheers from that big island away from everyone else😊🥃
I’ve also noticed an increase in the demand and used values of the older models. Whether it’s down to the current model’s dimensions, or the fact that year on year Omega are increasing the prices, many are turning to the modern vintage design. And it’s precisely this reason why I purchased a 2531.80 earlier this year. Comparing it to the latest version, which I tried on in an authorised dealer, it wears so much better and more refined. And like Bond himself, the comparison between the Seamasters are ironically similar to the Brosnan Vs Craig refined Vs the brute toughness. Great video!!
My thoughts here exactly Rider! Brilliantly said and thanks for sharing! 🥃
Ive owned a Peter Blake and the current SMP300. The older SMP is less flashy, smaller, well priced, smart and overall great. Id take the older SMP any day over the current model
The older SMP looked like a watch James Bond could actually believably wear for action and with black tie. The current models are way too garish and lacking in any subtlety for that
It’s an interesting thing, right? There’s a fine line between standing out and subtlety. Brands want their watches to be recognised across the room 😉
Are we really going to criticise a watch as being unbelievable for a ridiculously unbelievable fictional character to wear?
ID guy, thank you so much for such technical and professional content!
Your input and opinion has reconfirmed that previous SM versions like ref. 196.1523 are worth conserving. I gifted that piece to my Dad for his 65th Birthday and it was the first luxury piece I was able to buy in my life. 17 years have gone by and the watch still has a great presence!
Thank you for another interesting post! Love the way you focus on how watches appeal to us and why, rather than on spec sheets. Really nice! I think you hit the nail on the head here. I have a 2002 2531.80, and I completely agree with you. After having worn other watches I am often, after all these years, surprised by the slim and wearable feeling I get with this model. I really love designs that walk the thin line between sporty and dressy, but that’s just me. Keep up the good work!👍
My pleasure to share these and thank you for your thoughts on the model! I'm like you, really enjoy that clash of sports & elegance in one package (not as easy to find today) Thanks again! 🥃
The 90s Bond era Seamaster still goes for a reasonable price, if anything they are undervalued. It was the watch that changed Omega's fortunes and also the first luxury dive watch, as it was first and foremost designed to be a desk diver. The 90s Bond era automatic Seamaster is now 26 years, buying one now would be like buying a big crown Rolex in the early 1980s.
I purchased the mid-size Seamster Pro in 1995 (black dial). I tried the blue and the black and the black spoke to me more. I haven't regretted it. Great watch! Great vid. Keep at it!
All Generations of the SMP Diver 300m are beautiful!
But you're right: a thinner case, applied logo, tapered bracelet, and oval date window are what I'd like to see in the next generation, too. But the date window should definitely stay at 6 o'clock. I love that symmetry.
In what's now a saturated market for watch YT channels, this channel is in my top 3. Quality and not quantity! I have the latest SMP300, and love it for the detail, curves, and cracking movement, but you're right about the older ones. Will they get ride of the cup cake helium escape valve? is it now a design feature? would love to see a taper on the bracelet, but the brief is to design a dive watch, so you need it to be beefy and solid to go over a rubber dive suit. Maybe manufacturers need to start designing more for what these watches are really used for nowadays?
Great episode ID Guy thank you. This model like many was my first in 2007 and still here ticking away in perfect form with its perfect dimensions.
I bought a Seamaster Diver 300 earlier this year and cannot be happier. I like chunky tool watches so the case thickness is fine with me. I also have a 3861 Speedy. I use both for daily wear and, again, could not be happier with both. Great video!
Great video as always mate! Older gen for me and I am now a proud owner of a 2254.50 (your video on that helped me decide) and wholeheartedly agree that the svelte nature makes it such a comfortable and refined looking all rounder
I've owned an SMP 2254 for coming up on 17 years, and it is a fantastic piece. You touched on the thinness, but there are four other features I much prefer over the modern Bond watch. The sword hands and rectangular indices just look better to me. The larger surface area has allowed amazing lume which catches the eye with every transition from the sun to indoors. I also prefer its more subtle wave pattern dial to the more obvious laser-cut ones on the current version, it is truly engaging in the light. Lastly, the speedy bracelet wears beautifully compared to the Bond. They really got it right with the 2254.
Omega needs a rerelease with sword hands and a similar dial.
This!!! Well put!
I own both 2254 and new 2020 model and pictures don't do the new model justice. You can get lost in the new dial in natural sunlight and how the black can go from looking flat black to silver or even white as the light hits it. The new bracelet is miles ahead in function and feel as well. I love the older models too but the latest models are pretty impressive in daily use. All things considered you can't go wrong with either.
Definitely can't go wrong with either...I had a newer SeaMaster & Planet Ocean, but both of those were sold while I kept the 2254...I like the taper on this bracelet, the super thin case (very drastic compared to the new ones), and I for one like the more subtle older wave dial....I am really hoping there is a reissue at some point with the sword hands and a tapering bracelet. @@bboness713
Great job as always; your knack for going back in lines and presenting the best examples not seen by some of us who weren’t in the luxury market at release.
With me it’s always the bracelet; one feels that every time you put the watch on - as opposed to the thickness which is only problematic with some dress shirts. And the cynic in me says the no taper is just some bean counter, probably not a watch guy, saving a little money on the commonality.
Well said, it does feel like these choices were more for "continuity" and ease of manufacture. But man, seeing the 3861 addressing it so well... they've got to give the SMP some love! 🥃
Very very well said! Excellent video! I share the same exact feeling about the new Seamaster pro models. I have been looking at the older models, they were much more visually appealing and well-proportioned. Honestly, I feel the same about the Planet Ocean, I much rather prefer the 2500 variants compared to the newer ones. I genuinely hope that Omega will look back at their catalogue and refine the SMP and bring back some of the best features..
Isn't it crazy how the older Gens appeal to a lot of us more? Proportions, sizes, profiles. Pretty crazy that through this "beefing up" face, we're looking at the older models 😆🥃
Great video as always! What else would we expect from you. Just here to watch, like and support!
Thank you Jimmie, it means so much brother 🥃
You absolutely nailed it again Brother. I’m an owner of the 2531.80 and the 2254.50 (following your brilliant video!). Having come the same conclusions as you long ago, I’ve also been keeping my eye open for the previous iteration of the SMP, the ceramic no wave dial in black, that you recommended.
I’ve simply never been a fan of the current Seamaster 300M.
I appreciate the movement upgrade, but not the case, dial or bracelet. As you rightly say, it’s too big. I’m probably more critical than you about the size. The 1mm increase in case width FEELS much more, the display case back also adds size but at the cost off a what FEELS like a much thicker case, that achieves little, but costs a lot. The result, a bloated diver, with no finesse of the original.
I’m just waiting for Omega to put right the problems of the current generation.
Lose the broad waves on the dial to something closer to the Bond 60th Anniversary. Lose the display case, for a beautiful stamped back. Return to the 41mm case, and slim down the helium valve or lose it altogether. And finally let’s have a tapered bracelet at last.
It’s just so frustrating that the last piece was practically there, all it needed was a tapered bracelet with micro adjustment and a movement upgrade.
I’ve always believed that with the changes that you and I hope for, Omega will have its strongest shout at being the Submariner killer.
One last thought..I happen to own a gen 1 Planet Ocean, another Omega diver that’s also miles ahead of all of its successors for the same identical reason. Wearability.
Keep up your amazing work, maestro, it’s always a joy to watch your vlogs 👍
Agree with you and I am also waiting for a more svelte, thin diver 300m….
I have old SMP 300m 2531.80.00 and i think it is the best watch Omega produced in he last 30-35 years. Basically it saved the company from going bankrupt. I wear it everywhere, from the beach, to the office. And it fits perfectly everywhere. Such a versatile watch. I also have the newest Moonwatch, 3861 with sapphire glass. Love it also. I think that the main problem with modern (2010 and onwards) Omega watches is their thickness. Almost everything else is great, but that thickness is killin' it.
Like you, I'm a big fan of the Omega Seamaster SMP range and think its getting better and better. I do wish though that they had kept the previous model's sizing. Much more refined. 42mm is on the absolute limits for smaller wrist sizes.
I'm very happy with my 2007 SMP 2531.80. for the same reasons you mentioned here; Svelte is the best description. The only other diver in my collection that compares is my Glycine Combat Sub at 10.6mm thickness.
As always a great video on a great watch !!
I agree that the current Omegas have put on some weight ;) Through the years of wearing watches I have decided to follow the path of slimmer, lighter and certainly more legible watches. Sadly I had to pass on the SMP 300 due to the very same discussion points you spoke of. Like you I am confident that Omega hears us and will bring us a watch that will meet our needs.
Thank you for another excellent video. I own the original 1995 Omega Seamaster 300M Quartz ( ref 2541.80.00, Pierce Brosnan “No Time to Die”) and, despite its age, looks as good as they day it was first purchased. I adore this watch and it will never leave my collection.
I remember watching GoldenEye (for the first time in '99) and man... what an impact it had... SMP and Bond really intersected so well in the Brosnan era. Love it and thanks for sharing! 🥃
Pierce Brosnan wasn’t in No Time To Die. 🤦🏻♂️
I recently got the old 2533.50.00 with Sword hands, much thinner than my new green seamaster and maybe I am being dramatic but much more personality somehow.
But I can’t argue that the new ones are just levels above in terms of spec and quality.
Great video as always thank you. 🙏🏻
I'm so torn because the tech side is amazing with the new pieces... also love the colour of Green they went with. Maybe it's best to have that "night and day" difference to appreciate them both for what they do? That's rational, right? 😆 Thanks for sharing brother!
Well done. I appreciate all of the improvements of the new models, but I agree with you that the classic elegance of the precis models carried a better presence. Cheers
The no wave dial ceramic generation is my favourite. Photos don’t do it justice. In my opinion they are most versatile version and far more elegant than the current version.
Those SMPc's are really stellar... I've been diligently following the black model for a long time (kinda tempted to pick one up) - Elegant, understated, great flow to its design. Dig it! 🥃
I picked one up after the new ones came out, and I saw how much better the old ones were. They’re becoming a collector’s item.
Got my SMPc in blue when the 2018 version was released: smaller, thinner, quieter. I am still taken with the beauty of its dial.
I wear the 2531 and I think it needs a bluer sibling. 😂 You are correct, seeing the watch in person vs the photos is vastly different!
@@ID-Guy some great ones hit the used market. Have had my SMPC, with the black dial, for the past year. It is a stellar watch and cost very little to service as well by my local watch maker. Perks of a non metas movement. Also, the fact you can install the newer clasp on this is also a major improvement to this piece.
Has accompanied me through many huge events and trials this past year. Never leaving my collection.
Love the Seamaster line. For me it’s the perfect blend of spec and price. Great video as always. Let’s hope England bash the Bokke tonight! 🏴 🇿🇦
Great video. I have a 93 Midsize SMP, absolutely adore it. Tritium plots look like over done eggs and the bezel has lightened. Perfect
I totally agree with you, my first watch was the first gen ceramic but I unfortunately sold it. Over the time I had every iteration of the Seamaster, the 90s one, the 2000s one, the first ceramic and the newest one.
Ironicially you upload this video and yesterday I rebought a 1st gen ceramic, will arrive on monday, I am hyped! I think this one is the best one yet, but possibly Omega is learning and the future one will be improved.
Maaan congrats on the Ceramic! I'll be holding thumbs it gets to you Monday on time. Thanks for sharing this 🥃
@@ID-Guy It arrived yesterday! I already sized it and am wearing it, it is such a lovely timepiece. It was a shame I let go of it a few years ago, but I am so happy to have one back.
I agree. I’m a sucker for the last of the non-wave models because I really think that the dial appeals more elegant and cohesive to me. Thanks.
Very well said IDGuy. I can't really say which versions are 'better' than others, they all have positives and could do betters. I also think that some of the characteristics can be down to which colour dial that you go for as it can enhance certain properties while supressing others. Personally I love the current white dial 300m. I have the older chronograph with the heavily modified Valjoux 7753 movement with the flat dial, I love that the date is at 6 and all of the hands for the chronograph function are red and the sub dials have a silver ring.. The current version of that watch looks a little more classy or blingy but the ceramic black dial (now bi compax) in black with a more readable fully indexed ceramic bezel are definite plus points but no all red hands for the chronograph. The sub dials have more depth to them as well but no silver ring. With both side by side the older models plots seem small compared to the current one. Which do I prefer? I can't say, the later one has some definite improvements but it has lost some of the character of the older model. Many thanks for sharing.
I’m for the James Bond old style classic look. I bought mine brand new at Feldmars, in 2000. I’ve had it ever since, and is not for sale! Such a cool watch, which probably gets more wrist time than all my other brands. It truly is a Professional! Matt❤️😃👍
I have 3 Seamasters and my favourite one is the oldest and smallest. It's a blue dial 41mm and it's quartz. The other two are 41mm black auto and 42mm white auto. I like all three but the blue quartz is on the wrist more often. Only one was purchased new. Great video.
And thank you for sharing this! Fascinates me that the oldest are always getting more love! 🥃
Love this video. Great content. The older Seamasters rule. Still love my first gen Automatic with the rare steel bezel! Very understated and striking in a navy blue sailcloth strap 👌
Just have my SMP in for it's first service...after 25 years. Great watch and it will stay with me for the rest of my days and nights.
Used it every day for 10 of those years, after that it ended up in a drawer, still worked but was running slow..not strange with that old grease😅
Wow you went 25 years without service? And the watch kept ticking? Amazing
@@PlancksTime Yes, had it 24/7 for 10 years, biking, swimming...pretty awesome !!
Totally agree. I have a 2254, bought in 2001 and have worn it every day. I got it first serviced in 2021 ( i put up with poor timekeeping for a few years ) and incredibly omega got it to run so well it gained only a few second per month. I’ve spent 3 years looking for a second watch to take over daily duties but the 2254 is almost perfect so I still haven’t bought anything else. Have narrowed down to grey dial Piaget Polo S - it’s even flatter and larger so looks like a high end 2254 , and recently the rolex sea dweller has also made my short list so hope to decide between these two. soon ..
Prices for 2264s (quartz) are on par with 2254s! Weird little market there. Loved the clip 👍🏾
I like the vintage ones much more, but still don't like the helium valve. Great video mate 😁👍🏽👍🏽
Back in 1995 I purchased my first Omega, and it was the 2531.80 Seamaster 300. It had the original caliber 1109 before they changed it to 1120. Some 1109 movement did have problems with auto winding due to rotor being too light, but I never had that problem. Twenty-eight years later it's still running fine and in fact, I'm wearing it today. I love the smooth look and its thin profile on my wrist. Maybe that's why I never bought the new ceramic bezel, 300.
My friend owns the coaxial 41mm Seamaster Professional model that was in Die Another Day. He loves the slimness of the case, but the lack of taper in the bracelet, and the lack of micro adjustments in the clasp hurt the ergonomics, especially compared to its 5 digit Rolex Submariner counterpart. I’d say a 40mm SMP with a tapering bracelet would be darn near perfect.
Are the older models of Omega's SMP better? And what model in the entire collection is your favourite?
Must say, I'm a fan of the first co-axials in Ceramic but really enjoy the 2531 - that blue is electric 🥃
The Goldeneye SMPs- The clasps and bracelets although handsome weren’t built to last. The pin and tube bracelets were prone to wearing out quickly and the deployment clasps weren’t that hard wearing either.
The screw bracelet and pressed steel clasp of the Sub 16610 although maybe not as pretty at the time was superior in terms of wear and function.
Great video and topic! Thank you! The 2531 is a keeper! I sold my 2254 and it is missed but the OGPO42-2500C that I replaced it with is a real gem!
2254 Seamaster is my favourite. The design has references to the models made for the RN in the 60s & 70s.
I've had a 2541.80 (watch seen in GoldenEye) for over 20 years. That thing has been through hell and back, and is still such a pleasure to wear. I wear it on a leather strap now due to the original bracelet being so worn out. The thinness is what really helps make it feel so special I believe. The faded bezel and aged loom look so good on it as well!
It's pretty crazy how hard wearing they are, right? I've heard so many testimonials about them over the years (all have been through the wars 😆) Thanks for sharing this Taxi! Nothing quite like a watch that's seen it all and still holds its own 🥃
@@ID-Guy It accompanied me during all my four years serving in the army, so your indeed correct! haha! I did get a more appropriate Casio for this task, but found the Omega back on my wrist very quickly. 😄 The poor thing has chips in the case and even the crystal, but it keeps on ticking and looking good!
Freaking amazing man! 🔥@@killertaxi100
I have the 2nd generation; ceramic bezel in black. Imo this has the best blend of all. More subtle with smoother lines. I wear mine with a suit mainly but then also casual at the weekend. One of the best all rounders out there.
The new models seem a bit more brash. I can see the bracelet is less rounded which in turn makes it less dress like. I am not the biggest fan of the wave dial either. I think it only suits on the white dial version.
Still a great watch im sure but i love how the 2nd generation has a blend of everything
However, i still can not get the no time to die variant out of my head!
Agreed. I have the 2017 sm and its awesome. I trien new ones and it felt huge. Imo i hope alot of companies go back to the slimmer models w the added tech.
I wear a 1999 Brosnan-era Seamaster, and I love it. All the looks of a dive watch, but so tasteful and elegant. It's a hell of a watch, and because so many were made, over such a long period of time, they're still really super affordable. Even if you buy one and give it a full overhaul with a non-Omega watchmaker (something that's easy to do with the pre-coaxial movements).
Good ol Die Another Day 😉 Love it and thanks for sharing Doc! Amazing how these pieces are still being loved and used today! 🥃
Thinking about it, '99 was "World is not Enough" right? 😆 Close enough...
@@ID-Guy that's the one - The World Is Not Enough. I didn't buy the watch because of the film specifically though. Pierce's best is Goldeneye! Ironically where he wears the quartz version of the watch.
Fantastic video. Ive been on the fence of getting the current model to replace my first generation ceramic. The reason i havent already are exactly the cons you pointed out.
They had their chance to address the bracelet "problem" with the anniversary collection this summer. Granted I adore the mesh style and that would be my preference, though I have not tried one on in a boutique to see of it fit my wrist comfortably. But yes, for the moment even though I love the look of the 300 pro, the bracelet is a Deal Breaker ™️
I have a Casino Royale and an Electric Blue Peter Blake. Nothing compares in the modern line to these. Going to add the regular Peter Blake or the Titanium version in a few years. These offerings were Omega hitting the trifecta of design, sporty, elegant.
Brilliantly said Ryan 😉🥃
Hello, and thank you very much for another well inspured and developed critic (always done with a constructive spirit from you).
Yes, the nowadays trend related intrisically with appearance, is unbearable and so superficial as well, maybe without some remarkably exeptions.
If not...? What has happened to Diver's watch niche...? Almost three quaters of them are concibed to be "desk-divers" instead a real proffesional one. (Ok, I take this chance to express it: Why Seiko?, Why could you discontinued the SKX production... Eh?).
As ever, I considered your opinion as appropiated.
Thank you.
Saludos!
Seeing the crazy success of mid sized divers from brands like Tudor, If Omega could bring back the mid-size SMP 300 (anything between 37 to 40 mm) ,make the height it a bit slimmer, put in a nice taper on that wide slab of a bracelet they have it ,would be undeniably an instant hit and blow up in the watch market !
Great work, mate!
Personally, even if I was willing to spend the money on a modern Seamaster, I am completely turned off by the HeV. I suspect few mixed gas divers ever wear a £5000+ dive watch. I’m more of a swimmer than a diver so the HeV to me is just a barnacle on a beautiful case.
JR
old warrior, even older novelist
One of the most based takes on modern Seamasters I've come across on the internet. Well done.
old thing good
new thing bad
such based take
I have the latest version, non wavy dial 2012-18 version and a 2531.80. I think there is something similar to the Rolex Sub in terms of six digit v five and personal preference re size, thickness and more or less of a Toolwatch vibe. I prefer the five digit subs and my favourite Seamaster is the 2531.80. I like the lighter weight, slimmer case and aluminium bezel insert. Mine runs at +2 secs per day and is a watch so wear anywhere with anything.
I agree with you on every single point. Having a newer model myself and growing up with my fathers 90’s model, I admit the older ones understood their design better. It was dressy, wearable, yes sporty and charismatic. Now they’re too big, hard to wear for lo ng periods of time. I recently wore my 2018 SMP for a 3 day interview with my team, and the watch was becoming uncomfortable .
I will be moving on from my SMP, although I think the dial is magnificent. Unfortunately, it doesn’t wear the way the 90’s one does. And I can’t live with that. I’m hoping the next generation slims it back down and improves on the bracelet and clasp. These are functional watches , yes, but we mostly wear them for fun. Aesthetic and comfortability reign supreme. Thanks Cartier.
My next purchase will be a Rolex unfortunately, being a big Omega fan. But I have high hopes for omega. And my favorite watch of all time, the Seamaster 300 2014 will still keep me company until my last breath.
Owned several, even a 007 SMP. With the reduction/optimization of the collection only kept the one I love the most, an early 2531.80 with tritium dial and faded bezel. The slimness and the patina, love it!
I’ve got the 36mm quartz 300m, a perfect daily wearer for my 6.25” wrist. It works in any situation. The same model that Dianna gave to Prince William, that is nearly always on his wrist.
Can't say more as you video while wearing my 2255.80 electric blue submariner. They are simply great pieces on par quality wise with a 5 digit sub from the era for 1/3 of the price. The only omega that I would probably accept to exchange it with might be the first generation of the planet Ocean. A great extension of the 90s seamaster line.
Electric blue submariner??
I agree with just about everything you said. I'm watching this with a 2531.80 on my wrist. I also own the current 42mm SMP in blue. But I never wear that one because it just seems too big and bulky for my 6.9 inch (17.5 cm) wrist. I was never a fan of the non-tapering bracelet but I love my 2531.80 on the Speedmaster type bracelet that came with the 2254.50 Peter Blake SMP. So the only flaw (in my opinion) with the 1990's SMP has been fixed.
100% spot on, really want to buy this watch but never did because of all you did.. Let's hope Omega is listening
I've also been on the fence for all these years because it just doesn't seem "100% on-point" just yet BUT the Bond 60th? The Black Black SMP? Yes, I'd absolutely have them 😉 Thanks for this brother 🥃
My first watch was a Speedmaster. Then I acquired a Tudor 54, Black Bay Pro, Black Bay 41. That’s when I learned dive watches are my favorite. To me the Seamaster was just too much. It looked exaggerated, too “blingy”. Yet, here I am 6 months later, the SMP is my most worn watch. I actually love the bracelet, I use the rubber as well every so often, but I always go back to the metal bracelet. I love it. Gorgeous piece.
Love my 2254.50 SMP
Look up "2254 Planet Ocean Bezel insert" - thank me later 😉 Gotta be one of the coolest SMP's (and ideas) ever! 🥃
I wasn't really into divers however I bought a 2531 as i got it for a really good price.
I love it.
I wear it with a blue nato and with it's steel bracelet, depending on mood and occasion.
I also own a Tag Heuer Formula 1 quartz, a great chronograph in my view.
I love my 2561.80. With the comfort and the look of the beige lume on the blue dial. It's hard to take it off. It wears a brown leather band very well too, and passes for a dress watch.
Before my recent Rolex obsession I wore a 2551.80 everyday for 12+ years. This is the 36.2mm auto version. Just had it serviced and the modified ETA is accurate to well within COSC tolerance. A good deal for £2k at current prices. Much prefer the older models for their slimmer cases and less blingy appearance. A bit like comparing 5-digit Rolex to current models. Agree that the 2254.50 is a great looking watch.
The 5 Digit Rolex comparison is exactly what came to mind while I was editing this together. Size, presence and flashiness is the name of the game with modern sports pieces. Well said and thanks for sharing this Jason! 🥃
Yes, I love the older seamasters. Your favorite is the one I own in black. It's the jewel of my collection.
I totally agree with you, the old was better as size wise, the new better as movement & adding easy micro adjustment, but for me the main issue with new seamaster is weight (190g),,,i sold mine becuse of weight.
Really like the previous non-wave SMP300 in black. The only SMP300 without waves, and the first with ceramic. Future classic.
SMPc in Black has been on my radar for a loooong time. It's such a subtle piece. Well said Ivan! 🥃
I sold mine a couple years ago and I’ve regretted it ever since. It’s such a great piece.
I recently picked up the rare GMT Seamaster Pro from 2005. Gorgeous.
I absolutely agree 100% on the first generation ceramic being the best Seamaster. That would be my choice! The newer models are just too chunky. A Seamaster Professional needs to have that svelte.
Great stuff! To my knowledge the SMP outsells the Speedy massively and is Omega's best-selling and hence most commercially sensitive (and therefore 'commercial') design. Who shoots the cash cow? I'm not a huge fan of the watch personally (and the only significant dive watch I've never owned), though I agree recent iterations like Bond 60 and the green dial are a huge improvement. But I don't think the watch is too thick for its size and I think it is proportionally very successful - it wears well.
The problem of the design (like a lot of modern product design from cars to coffee machines) is it is just 'too much.' Too many eye-grabbing design features make it a fussy watch and detract from the classically organic '90s form and its function. Removing those skeleton hands would transform it! But I still think the modern design is more cohesive and purposeful than the 'yuppified' original (much as modern Bonds are to the Brosnan era). A dive watch must meet its purpose not to look disingenuous and here, size matters! When utilising modern case designs at least (not '50s which scale up badly - see SM300).
I'll be interested to see where the design goes (and I might own one if it improves), but I see Omega's brief with the watch as being very different to Speedmaster, which is an enthusiast targeted product. I think Omega will continue to drive the SMP in a commercially 'sporty' direction where it can find clear water away from the more Spartan Sub. I think Omega should rethink the 300 to reflect classic professional divers of the '60s - I reckon more commercially viable than oversized '50s remasters and sitting cohesively next to the Speedmaster Pro.
"Too Much" sums it up perfectly James. And man, looking at a model like the Bond 60th tells me that Omega knows what they're cooking up and maybe they have these modifications in mind for the future (slimmer, flatter) there's tonnes of potential. But of course, with that the prices will also climb and climb... Imagine the 165 / 166.024 makes a return in a modern package? So much DNA they can build on 🥃
I almost forgot, I hope some of the design architecture you discussed in this video splashes onto the Railmaster, perhaps my favorite Omega. As always, be well.
I own both the Brosnan era SMP300m and the newest 42mm one. Both are great and i love both for different reasons. For me, if the newest model was 41mm, 1mm thinner, had a more comfortable/less "sharp" bracelet and a smaller helium escape valve it would be the perfect watch.
I have the NTTD and Casino Royale and I love both but the CR just wears that little bit better being a little smaller even on my 7.25” wrist, was tempted by that seaweed green but waiting for a 165.024 rerelease or slimming of cases before I add any more seamasters to collection
While I was waiting and saving to buy my first Seamaster, I read about the forth coming release of the current Seamaster. So, I waited a little longer and within a few seconds of seeing images of the new Seamaster I went and bought the outgoing ceramic model in black. Because? All, the very reasons raised in this video. Five years later, it's still the right decision.
I have the last three generations of Omega Seamaster SMP 300s and the Heritage 300. I agree that all three gens have their charm. The lastest gen probably has the best materials, but there is something special about the lower profile, smaller diameter pieces of the past. Omega is not only getting chunkier and awkward with their designs, including the obtrusive helium valve, but also whacky large, such as it's 44.5 mm pieces. It needs to keep its pieces, including Worldtimer and sport pieces between 38mm and 41.5mm IMHO, instead of matching up with the oversized craze of the 2010s.
Well said Richard. Thank you for sharing! 🥃
I’ve got 3 Seamaster 300m watches including the latest model. I’ve got to say the 2006 - 2012 model (the last of the aluminium bezel models with the applied markers) is by far the best. The thickness is a lot less than the current model and the bracelet seems to be less chunky / more dressy too. The old wave dial is much better than the current model ceramic dial (latest Bond 60th anniversary aside). And the good news is you pick one up a mint condition one for a lot cheaper than the current rrp.
I have both, in blue. I have the 2531.80 and a 2021 model co axial blue SMP. I wear the old one more often. I love the new one's flash and upgraded details, but the old one wears better.
My 2236.50 from 2007 is still running strong 16yrs later. Never got it serviced and keeps great time with its caliber 1120 eta 2892.
I’m going to be the opposite of most people and say that I love the current gen case size. I have 3 different color ways, they all get worn quite equally. The NTTD on the mesh bracelet is probably the best of the 3 and noticeably thinner without the display caseback as you mentioned. The bezel action on all of them are quite terrible though. Also I’m surprised you didn’t mention the new quick removable bracelet that appeared on the Paris 2024 model. I was hoping omega would have taken that opportunity to update the taper of the bracelet while they were designing in that area of the watch…
Really love my 2020 Omega Seamaster 300M (white dial), but I also wish I had not sold my early 2000s “Brosnan” Omega Seamaster. perhaps I will rebuy it someday.
Actually, my most recent acquisition is a current generation Great White (with a rubber strap).
It *is* thick. I find that I need extra tension on the strap to keep it in place. It also feels a bit heavy.
That said, I like the finished movement (which I hear is done by machine), and i notice that the swirls of this movement carry to the fluid swirls of the case and echoed by the laser engraved dial. This was meticulously thought through. There may not be a single straight line on the case.
I also like the white of the bezel against that of the dial and what happens when the lume color comes into play. The bezel is perfectly aligned (of course) and a pleasure to use.
It's also a crazily accurate watch.
While I got a good discount, I admit that I am reluctant to take this to Third World diving sites. It *is* a bit flashy.
This is by far my most expensive dive watch. I generally don't lean in the direction of the sports watch aesthetic, but this is a fine machine.
The 2264.50 has been my only watch for years and I have no intention of changing that anytime soon.
I own the quartz version seamaster from 2012, it was a special birthday gift, black small wave dial red professional, and black bezel, retail price was £1500 at the time, and i got discount and a free bottle of Omega aftershave valued at £100 with it from an Omega boutique 😂
It still looks as good now as it did new, 1 service and 2 new batteries in that time since and it never misses a beat, box, instructions, cards spare parts all still present
Looks as good with smart as it does casual attire, take it anywhere, i i have worn it all over the world, it’s subtle looks mean im not going to get robbed for anytime, unless it’s a watch collector 😂
Very happy with my SMP 2531.80.00 blue dial I picked up used for £1,000 ten years ago.
£1000... man, those were the days! 🥃
@ID-Guy The Seamaster SMP is one to have in one’s collection. Having had a few of the models in the past, the best one for me of the 300M being the 2220.80 which is the one Daniel Craig wore in Casino Royale. The first Co-Axial 2500 (C type) model third generation 41mm case as the previous one, 2531.80 made for many years and in the last three Brosnan’s films had a 1120 movement of the ETA 2892 and the first one being the quartz 2541.80 Goldeneye. The design being 30 years old now. The 2220.80, I have all its boxes and papers etc., is a transitional model as the next one became a 42mm with a ceramic bezel and no wave dial. From there the caliber 8500 and later to current 8800 single barrel METAS COSC 15,000 Gauss. Peeps can research the 2220.80 further. The 300M at present does not share the 8900 double barrels 60-hour power reserve with a travelling jump hour adjustment when going through backwards and forwards time zones without disturbing the minutes and seconds similar to a True GMT. This is the reason for me having a Planet Ocean 43.50mm Third Generation that is also METAS COSC 15k Gauss. IDGuy has a 300 and I hope it has the same mechanism as the PO 3rd generation, double barrel with the variable jump hour adjustment with METAS as I know Omega make one. Whether it is a 300, 300M or Planet Ocean the Omega Seamaster is a force to be reckoned with. I do like The S.P.E.C.T.R.E 300 model as it has a lot of the 1957 in it.
I recently acquired a 2220.80. As you mentioned, it's a transitional model having the characteristics and dimensions of the previous version (2531.80) with modern updates that resonated with me; applied indices, logo, larger hands, and "Seamaster" in red. I was fortunate to get one w/ a 2500d movement (serial numbers > 8525XXXX received 2500d). Also, I'm blown away at how strong the lume is!
Through multiple visits with my AD, I tried convincing myself into the current SMP (really like the white dial) but the proportions and dimensions always kept me from moving forward. After trying on a friend's 2531.80 and seeing how svelte it wore, I instantly knew the 2220.80 was the one for me.
@@eddie22h The 2531.80 model became the benchmark of the SMP 300M automatic after the Goldeneye 2541.80 quartz came into production, which was hedging Omega into a new era after a stale period. The 2531.80 was worn by Brosnan in his last three 007 James Bond films. The George Daniels Co-Axial movement in its A to B versions were in other Omega models watches prior to the SMP 300M 2220.80 Casio Royale 2500C caliber. It became refined and transitional to the next 42 mm model with a ceramic bezel SMPc. To find a 2220.80 with a blue bezel with a 2500D caliber is a collector's item, more rare than the black dial and bezel version with the same D caliber. Then the SMPc 300M had the 8500 caliber and now 8800 caliber METAS. Much of the SMP 300m is subjective as to the best model of the five or six generations. Does it need the 8900 series movement 60 hour PR twin barrel found in the 600M Planet Ocean? I doubt it! In my case, the blend of the original classic concept and legendary Co-Axial movement has to go to the 2220.80 and the very rare 2500D, as opposed to the C caliber, movement put the watch among the most desirable. Never part with it and well done for having one.
My first luxury watch was a 2004 2551.80 that I bought a couple of years ago to celebrate a big birthday. I've bought a few more luxury watches since then, but the Seamaster remains the most comfortable watch I have ever owned. The bracelet is ridiculously comfy on the wrist and I can almost forgive it for not having any micro adjustments on it. Nothing I have worn since has come close. I own a 3861 Speedy and as pretty as the bracelet is on it, I find it a bit sharp and uncomfortable (not to mention annoying as hell for not being able to easily adjust it).
In my opinion, the design of the older Omegas is so much more elegant compared to the newer models. I don't know why Omega has gone down this "thicker is better" route with their range - it makes some of them look out of proportion. The Aqua Terra is a prime example of that. The older models are beautifully proportioned and stylish (although I guess it's down to personal taste, as some find them dated looking). I need to buy a 2504.30 at some point in the future to compliment my SMP. They managed to fit co-axial movements in those 11mm cases so it's definitely not that to blame for them piling on the pounds.
Well said Beena "thicker is better" seems like a bizarre option considering they can squeeze their CoAx movements into a 12mm case pretty easily. Kinda baffling right? Thanks for sharing this! 🥃
I own the 2254.50 the 2531.80 and the current white dial Seamaster. Love m all. However i predict the new Seamaster will get a whole new bracelet. Maybe even the Speedmaster bracelet
As a decades-long owner of a 2551.80, I must say I prefer the older model Seamasters to the modern ones. The only improvement I can think of for my 2551 would have been having no date window.
Ultimately I think we all enjoy that slimmer feel of a watch on the wrist day-to-day (at least most of us do) and after 10+ years, really does go to show how great their wearability is! Thank you for sharing this Tony! 🥃
My first luxury watch was the omega sea master 300 (2541.80) Goldeneye that I won on e bay in 2012 in mint condition with box and papers. What a great watch. Then winning another omega on e bay 6 months later the Aqua Terra. Winning the auction was great but so was the watches. Now in 2023 I am deep down the Watch rabbit hole. My collection has gone on to a lot of Rolex models and Tudor watches. .I keep wanting to buy a nice new sports car but end up with another watch 😂. Most times I go past garages my watch cost more than the car I was looking at buying. What a great hobby if you are in to watches .
Its pretty crazy where this hobby takes us, right? Looking back 5 years I never thought I'd be owning multiples... My grail Omega, Tudors and now a Rolex (with a Zenith thrown in for good measure) Frankly its amazing! Thanks for sharing this story Dean! 🥃
I think Omega will start looking more towards the older models as they'll likely be able to make these tech innovations smaller. I would really love a smaller sized version like the 36mm from the 90s. Tudor has proven a small diver sells in this day and age. But to be honest I want the modern version at this point in time despite having a 6 inch wrist.
Bought a Seamaster Professional Diver in 1999. Have always loved it and I’m getting ready to hand it over to my daughter. I now have a very basic understanding of the watch thanks to this post. Can someone please explain what 2562.80 means? Thanks
My sentiments exactly. The older designs are better and more refined. Hope they don't go tho U-Boat territory. Fantastic video!
U-Boat territory 😆 Classic!!
I bought my Seamaster professional 300 in 2004, new, and it was to honour my paternal Grandfather upon his death that year. I was originally going to engrave the back at the 12 o’clock position with my paternal Great Grandfather’s initials, then Grandpas, my Dad’s, mine, and my first born son’s. Upon my passing, was left to him to uphold the tradition to become a true heirloom timepiece. I’ve not done any engraving for fear of lessening the value; though still lament about the action. I do not wear it daily anymore as I did the first ten years, and have realised it needs a cleaning. I’ve had it cleaned once by a local horologist, but this time will be by Omega, but have seen they adjusted that amount to $700 now from the previous $250. I told my first born son, who is now 32 years old that I want the restorative cleaning, and he argues not to because it voids the watch and bracelet of the character of my wearing. I prefer new and crisp, while he wants my mark left on it. What to do, lol. I will say there is nothing I would change of the design of the 2004 model, as I find it simply brilliant in design and execution, but for the fact mine has NEVER kept the accurate timing expected of an Omega! From purchase new mine lost a minute or more per day….and yes, I did purchase it new from a local approved omega jewelry store. I would welcome comments on the nest cleaning decision as for which way to go; with reason behind either direction.
The 2254 is the best reference model of the Seamaster. They need to go back to that size (thin). The sword hands are better than the skeleton hands.
I feel you, so much to love about this design (and its winning formula) 🥃
@@ID-Guy Thanks for making great videos. I look forward to them!
I have an Omega Seamaster 300 Black Ceramic from 2019. I prefer it to the latest models; it is better proportioned and I love gazing at the black inky dial. The wavy lines on the current range don’t do it for me either. They so-called represent the sea but, being lazer cut, just seem uniformly bland in their sinusoidal precision. The Grand Seiko Evolution 9 ‘Ushio’ really does mirror the ocean in a much more compelling way (but I cannot afford that!). So I will stick with my current Omega - it’s a beautiful do anything, go anywhere watch.
Right on! I have one I bought in 1999. My favorite ever.