SB, I went twice in the last 2 weeks and I caught in two trips 13 NC Citation Roanoke Bass and my buddy went one of those days and caught 5. In NC a citations is either 11 inches or 1 lb.... Biggest was 13 inches and mosts were 12 plus. Crazy and I have caught lots this size but these were all from the same pool. I will have 2 videos on these trips out in a few weeks,
I know this is an older video, so don't know if you will see the comments but...the range map is weird! Showing 3(one large in U.P., 2 smaller in Lower Pen.) "blanks" for the rock bass population range in Michigan. Those areas all have rock bass, indeed, I've caught some very large ones right in the middle of the "black spot" in the U.P., in North Manistique lake!
Thanks for pointing that out! When I made these videos (in most cases) USGS distribution maps were used as a reference. I actually saved the USGS Rock Bass distribution map, so I wouldn't have to constantly go back to the USGS site. I just went to the USGS site and was surprised to see the Rock Bass map has changed considerably. I'm going to update these videos at some point, so they have the latest/greatest info. Without your comment I probably wouldn't have noticed the map had changed!
You have so many helpful videos. I'm going to try to go back and 'like' / comment on your videos. Thank you! I just came across my first rock bass the other day in the amicalola. Edit: after completing your video, maybe i actually caught a shadow bass! Would make sense as it was in a creek...
Sorry I somehow missed this comment...yes that was definitely a Shadow Bass because Amicalola Creek is in the Mobile Basin. We do have Rock Bass in Georgia but they're native to streams in the Tennessee/Mississippi Basin. Thanks for watching!
My father taught me that Rock bass are also known as goggle eyed perch here in Northeastern Oklahoma. We would catch them in clear moving water, like the Illinois River.
The 1 lb 5 oz record for Roanoke bass (ifga) is very misleading for the roanokes size. we catch them almost every time weighing a1 lb or a hair more. they also fight twice as hard as a Rock bass. The biggest I have caught was right at 2 lbs and the NC record is 2 lbs 11oz and the Va record is 2 lbs 9 oz so really no one must turn in these fish for records to IGFA...........they also will live east of the rocky areas in Cypress waters. There is also a gentlemam in Emporia va that has caught many over 3 lbs.......I have seen those pics and it is for sure 3 plus lbers tha he has caught. .
SB, I just released my latest video on Roanoke Bass and to the best of my knowledge there isnt a video with 10 Roanokes any bigger, All 10 were over 11 inches which in NC is a Citation size fish, The next week we went back and caught 9 more that may have averaged bigger. Biigest went 12.5 inches on firt trip and 2nd trip the biggest was 13 inches. smallest was 11 1/8 .
I really just found your videos and I love these so much. I think we have the same sensibilities regarding correct naming and ID-ing of fish. My dad and I usually refer to rock bass as just "redeye," not "redeye bass." Wanted to add that the word bass is also native to English, which is of course a sister language of German. The old English word was bærs. Many words with r before s in English lost the r in some regional dialects, but the loss of r leading to bass seems to apply in all dialects. Other examples of this are arse/ass, burst/bust, garsh/gash, curse/cuss, etc. The parent word for both (and the similar word in the other Germanic languages) is just the Germanic variant of the word perch which came into English via French. You seem like the kind of person who would like to know this. These words basically refer to fish with spiny dorsal fins, hence why all of these fish along with "true perches" and others are in the perciformes order, but you probably know that.
The fish you show in your hand @ 6:35, which you state is a SHADOW Bass, looks alot like the OZARK Bass, with the 'clustered arrangement of erratic dark spots on the side of its body'. The Shadow Bass and Ozark Bass, according to the range maps you present, do seem to interpolate or overlap abit.
I agree some Shadow Bass can/do resemble Ozark Bass. That fish however came from the Etowah River which is part of the Coosa River drainage (Mobile Basin) so we know it was a Shadow Bass. You might want to check out some of the Ozark Bass images on iNaturalist since I didn't have any. You're right the maps do overlap a bit. That's why I mentioned Ozark Bass are native to the upper White River drainage and the St. Francis, Black, Arkansas, Red, and upper Ouachita River drainages have isolated populations of Shadow Bass. It's just real hard to show that kind of detail with the maps I had but the plan is to update these videos annually and that's something I'm going to try and fix. Thanks for pointing it out.
Great question, the ranges of these fish do not overlap naturally so hybrids (as far as I know) have not been documented. However, species in other genera are able to hybridize so I see no reason why Ambloplites would be any different. That's why it's important not to move these fish around.
@@johnnygalaxy9022 Yes please do not move fish around. That's the main reason I started this channel. I live in Georgia and so many fisheries have been ruined forever by people moving fish around. And a lot of the people that ruined our fisheries, caused local extinctions, etc... aren't even alive today but they messed up the fishery forever for all the anglers that come after them.
Rock Bass in the past have been put in parts of the Roanokes Basses range and yes they do interbreed. Not good for Roanokes as the Roanoke has one of the smallest ranges on any sunfish .
Ozark Bass are awesome little fish and great sport on a fly rod.
Next time I'm in Arkansas I definitely plan to catch some!
@@ShoalBandit don't forget the Missouri Ozarks. We got Ozark Bass, Ozark Longear Sunfish & Neosho Bass in my neck of the woods.
Excellent content again... I'm VERY thoroughly impressed.
Thanks again!
Great video ! Thanks.
Thank you very much I'm glad you liked it!
Awesome video!!!
Thanks I really appreciate it!
We call rock bass "goggle eyes" in northern Mississippi. Especially where my family is from in Coldwater, MS which is on the Coldwater River
Yes, that's a pretty common nickname for Rock Bass and Warmouth. Thanks for watching.
SB, I went twice in the last 2 weeks and I caught in two trips 13 NC Citation Roanoke Bass and my buddy went one of those days and caught 5. In NC a citations is either 11 inches or 1 lb.... Biggest was 13 inches and mosts were 12 plus. Crazy and I have caught lots this size but these were all from the same pool. I will have 2 videos on these trips out in a few weeks,
Those are really BIG Roanoke Bass congrats!
I know this is an older video, so don't know if you will see the comments but...the range map is weird! Showing 3(one large in U.P., 2 smaller in Lower Pen.) "blanks" for the rock bass population range in Michigan. Those areas all have rock bass, indeed, I've caught some very large ones right in the middle of the "black spot" in the U.P., in North Manistique lake!
Thanks for pointing that out! When I made these videos (in most cases) USGS distribution maps were used as a reference. I actually saved the USGS Rock Bass distribution map, so I wouldn't have to constantly go back to the USGS site. I just went to the USGS site and was surprised to see the Rock Bass map has changed considerably. I'm going to update these videos at some point, so they have the latest/greatest info. Without your comment I probably wouldn't have noticed the map had changed!
You have so many helpful videos. I'm going to try to go back and 'like' / comment on your videos. Thank you!
I just came across my first rock bass the other day in the amicalola.
Edit: after completing your video, maybe i actually caught a shadow bass! Would make sense as it was in a creek...
Sorry I somehow missed this comment...yes that was definitely a Shadow Bass because Amicalola Creek is in the Mobile Basin. We do have Rock Bass in Georgia but they're native to streams in the Tennessee/Mississippi Basin. Thanks for watching!
My father taught me that Rock bass are also known as goggle eyed perch here in Northeastern Oklahoma. We would catch them in clear moving water, like the Illinois River.
Those were most likely Shadow Bass (Ambloplites ariommus) in the Illinois River but most anglers do call them 'rock bass'.
The 1 lb 5 oz record for Roanoke bass (ifga) is very misleading for the roanokes size. we catch them almost every time weighing a1 lb or a hair more. they also fight twice as hard as a Rock bass. The biggest I have caught was right at 2 lbs and the NC record is 2 lbs 11oz and the Va record is 2 lbs 9 oz so really no one must turn in these fish for records to IGFA...........they also will live east of the rocky areas in Cypress waters. There is also a gentlemam in Emporia va that has caught many over 3 lbs.......I have seen those pics and it is for sure 3 plus lbers tha he has caught. .
Thanks for the info I appreciate it! I plan to update these videos from time to time that's definitely something I'll have to change.
SB, I just released my latest video on Roanoke Bass and to the best of my knowledge there isnt a video with 10 Roanokes any bigger, All 10 were over 11 inches which in NC is a Citation size fish, The next week we went back and caught 9 more that may have averaged bigger. Biigest went 12.5 inches on firt trip and 2nd trip the biggest was 13 inches. smallest was 11 1/8 .
Those are huge Roanoke Bass congrats Mack!
@@ShoalBandit Thanks! I can put you on them. make the drive to central NC and we can get on them.
@@MackinNC1 Thanks Mack, I really appreciate it I will definitely take you up on that at some point!
I really just found your videos and I love these so much. I think we have the same sensibilities regarding correct naming and ID-ing of fish. My dad and I usually refer to rock bass as just "redeye," not "redeye bass."
Wanted to add that the word bass is also native to English, which is of course a sister language of German. The old English word was bærs. Many words with r before s in English lost the r in some regional dialects, but the loss of r leading to bass seems to apply in all dialects. Other examples of this are arse/ass, burst/bust, garsh/gash, curse/cuss, etc. The parent word for both (and the similar word in the other Germanic languages) is just the Germanic variant of the word perch which came into English via French. You seem like the kind of person who would like to know this. These words basically refer to fish with spiny dorsal fins, hence why all of these fish along with "true perches" and others are in the perciformes order, but you probably know that.
Thank you for the detailed explanation I really appreciate it!
caught a shadow bass in new braunfels Texas today
Very interesting catch...congrats! Apparently, they were introduced in the late 1800s.
The fish you show in your hand @ 6:35, which you state is a SHADOW Bass, looks alot like the OZARK Bass, with the 'clustered arrangement of erratic dark spots on the side of its body'. The Shadow Bass and Ozark Bass, according to the range maps you present, do seem to interpolate or overlap abit.
I agree some Shadow Bass can/do resemble Ozark Bass. That fish however came from the Etowah River which is part of the Coosa River drainage (Mobile Basin) so we know it was a Shadow Bass. You might want to check out some of the Ozark Bass images on iNaturalist since I didn't have any. You're right the maps do overlap a bit. That's why I mentioned Ozark Bass are native to the upper White River drainage and the St. Francis, Black, Arkansas, Red, and upper Ouachita River drainages have isolated populations of Shadow Bass. It's just real hard to show that kind of detail with the maps I had but the plan is to update these videos annually and that's something I'm going to try and fix. Thanks for pointing it out.
Do fish of these Genus interbreed?
Great question, the ranges of these fish do not overlap naturally so hybrids (as far as I know) have not been documented. However, species in other genera are able to hybridize so I see no reason why Ambloplites would be any different. That's why it's important not to move these fish around.
@@ShoalBandit i guess the best thing is not to test this theory out then.. 😆
@@johnnygalaxy9022 Yes please do not move fish around. That's the main reason I started this channel. I live in Georgia and so many fisheries have been ruined forever by people moving fish around. And a lot of the people that ruined our fisheries, caused local extinctions, etc... aren't even alive today but they messed up the fishery forever for all the anglers that come after them.
Rock Bass in the past have been put in parts of the Roanokes Basses range and yes they do interbreed. Not good for Roanokes as the Roanoke has one of the smallest ranges on any sunfish .