@@ArcCaravan nah, the actual reason is that women who are unnaturally fixated on gay men often read yaoi fics where the author only writes women in as "challenges" to sexuality. all the women were trying to seduce the male pc because him NOT being seduced and ""converted"" was part of her FETISH, since it ""proved"" he "didn't like women" (even though she never even wrote women that the party wasn't forced to fight). she probably let the other player be a woman just because she thought that the player would also be into it and/or serve as a wingman for HER character. all i know is that if i were around the dm i world transform into the most uninteresting straight person ever as a survival mechanism.
@@catpoke9557I know a min-maxer like that! She’s running my group’s other weekly game; super into roleplay, and ironically the campaign seems to be about making our PC’s gods rather than any one NPC. Very empowering stuff.
@@zacharysieg2305 We'd be lying if we said that it's never fun to play an OP character! I usually do the opposite (I enjoy playing characters with many flaws intentionally) but when I do make an OP character it really does feel awesome, so long as it's all done right. Awesome that your min-maxer friend is making a campaign all around that feeling haha
The DM from the homophobia story definitely sounds like one of those shippers who really love mlm ships but REALLY hates female characters based on how she writes them and how she didnt like the two players characters having chemistry. I've seen too many of those types of folks online in my time
Seeing a Fandom has a popular mlm ship: 😮? Seeing how the fans act when a female character interacts even ONCE with the pairing: 😨 Seen it happen wayyy too much and it's always so bad with girls who also act weird around lesbians like the math never checks out.
@@lexcentrique2554actually, she IS misogynistic in this story. She stereotypes women into being edgy flirts and evil. Men got to be neutral or good, such as the DMPC. She got upset when a female character had personality and helped OP's character, then accused OP for being homphobic because he wasn't interested in a forced romance. Demonizing women is misogyny, and arguably (in my opinion) fetishising mlm relationship can be considered that too.
@@mastertofuyeah, I agree, she basically did what the ancient Greeks did lmao like “women suck so I’m gonna go and romance men”, essentially. There are way too many women like her in online mlm shipping circles, which absolutely sucks, as someone who is actually a queer man irl. Fandom spaces are not safe for us bc of people like her, and sadly there are WAY too many.
That one DM in the story about the homophobia accusation was actually the homophobe in the form of fetishizing homosexual people. "Guy on Guy" was a major tip off to this. She doesn't actually care about gay people real or fictional. as you can tell by constantly ignoring the PC's concerns about.. anything. I know the OPs PC wasn't gay, but that didn't even matter to the DM, all she wanted was "guy on guy" action.
Hi, Druid from the last story here! It's feels a bit like an honor to be featured and I really appreciated all of the comments giving love to my girl Eilistraee! It's my understanding the DM doesn't DM anymore, and my IRL friends started up a new game and my DM buddy helped tweak Druid's backstory a little so I'm playing my little banished drow again!
Bard College of Citrus wrote a song about her called "By the light of the moon" it's great, Eilistraee is one of my favorite gods, im making a cleric of her now.
@@SkamosTheDruid Eillistraee has been a favorite of mine since I found out she existed. I have just one complaint (not limited to Eillistraee), namely: how the (bleep) do I pronounce that name?!? (Yes, it’s a bit of a pet peeve. No, my knowing and acknowledging that doesn’t keep me from ranting about it from time to time.)
Eilistraee is supposed to be a redeeming goddess for drow. She’s specifically built in so drow don’t NEED to be evil. She’s an enemy of Lolth and her followers live in hippy communes that dance naked in moonlight. My half-drow character is the love child between an Eilistraee drow and a nomadic barbarian.
She probably takes after her pops - after all, she's the baby daughter of Corellon Larethian and Lolth, before their divorce (is "casting your evil, scheming spouse into the abyss before she kills you forever" even a divorce?) and the only drow Goddess the various good pantheons have no problems with.
@@alarkhar Indeed. Lolth tricking Corellon into thinking Eilistraee betrayed him when the Grumsh conspiracy unfolded was part of what made the entire plot so tragic.
@@johngleeman8347 And what makes Lolth such a bitch. I bet the drow of Eberron are grateful for being born there rather than anywhere else... (the head of Eberron's drow pantheon is a NG god, despite looking like a hybrid of drow and scorpion)
I didn't know Drow had a redeeming goddess, that's... really cool actually! Nice to see the lore gave players a reason/method to play a traditionally-evil race.
The whole point of Eilistraee is that she is a GOOD ALIGNED DROW GODDESS IN DIRECT OPPOSITION TO LOLTH!!! A drow who follows her is a drow freed from Lolth's evil. It's fine if you don't want to include her in your setting, but you need to tell your players that beforehand!
Ah, Discord talkover! If I had a nickle for every time someone uttered: "I'm sorry... you go." "No, you go." "Thanks; sorry." It's all just part of the game. Honestly, it happens a lot in person too. I think that's just how talking works. (With us, at least.)
Too much bad BL fanfiction. It's a painfully common trope that the "bottom" has a (typically VERY OVER THE TOP) tragic backstory that the alpha Chad Gary Stu "top" saves them from.
@@RiveroftheWither im always wary of ppl who happily call themselves fujioshis or Bl 'lovers' bc they're always on the verge of salivating weirdly over gay men at any moment.
@@vespernight4236 I call myself a fujoshi and "rotten" (fujoshi inside joke) just for the self aware meme of it. A lot of us do but definitely the people who call themselves that seriously are usually crazy.
@@vespernight4236 - As long as they limit their salivating to _fictional_ gay men, that's fine with me. I will, however, gleefully savage any stories that bash perfectly innocent female characters for no reason.
There is a certain type of young female nerd that likes to fetishize gay relationships. You know the type, the ones that get really into Yaoi and every ship they back in a fandom is two dudes. Usually they grow out of it. The DM from Story Two seems like one of those.
It's for that reason that I have a guteral reaction to any yaoi ship in most anime fandoms, I have lost all trust that they aren't fetish-made. Literally the only story I read with an actual popular gay pairing (Sasuke/Naruto) was one where they were the secondary ship, and the best thing that I can say about the ship was that they were actually really in character and the relationship was believable and had chemistry. Now one could argue that it's the fact that I am specifically talking the Naruto fandom and that my sample size for LGBTQ+ pairing in fics is therefore skewed cringe, I can acknowledge that.
The DM from Story Too was almost _too much_ like one of those fans. I, like Crispy, also hate to go to the "What is True?" dimension, but if I didn't, then this story would practically be a all-expense paid invitation.
About the last story... I wonder how the DM would have treated my drow cleric. "You see your father advance against you, wielding a sword." "I salute him, and say "Och, me da! Wha' ye doin' with that sissy thing? Where did ye put yer axe?" "..what kind of an accent is that?" "A DWARVEN accent. The accent you'd expect from a drow adopted and raised by DWARVES. Or didn't you notice that my character's name is ULTORTH STONEHANDS, cleric of MORADIN? If you were planning on having "my father" speak to me in Drow, save it - Ultorth doesn't speak a single word of Drow."
@@ArcCaravan Usually Drow speak undercommon and elvish, drow is not a language but I could see a DM ruling they speak a different dialect of elvish if players wanted
@@ArcCaravan Probably drow is just a dialect - but what would Ultorth know of it? I mean, he was raised by dwarves in a dwarven town, he'd already be lucky if he met one surface elf or two, let alone a drow that isn't him...
@@clarehidalgo Actually Drow DO have a language....sort of. Drow have a unique form of Sign Language called "Drow Sign Language" which they use for communication while stalking the underdark. REALLY helps sneak up on people in order to take them prisoner when you have super good darkvision and attack from the shadows. But yeah, no spoken language that's unique to them.
That didn't sound like obsession, more like joke or fucking around especially that later they had fun with campaign EDIT: Looks like I was right, OP said it was just dumb joke here in coments
@@realdragon Considering actual people go through that because for some people knowing what genitals certain people have is information they just have to know, it's mean spirited and creepy. Bc if it was just a funny joke why do it when the OP wasn't around to shut them down? It's good that there was no repeat offense but I wouldn't blame OP if they cut ties then and there
As someone who also has ADD and ASD (Autism Spectrun Disorder), the DM from the Startplaying campaign reeeaaalllyyy grinded my gears. I've had to deal with people like that for my whole life, to the point where I hate the word "rude" now
I also feel like connection latency might have been the root of the problem. Maybe OPs connection was really bad that day, which is why DM was talking when they answered in what seemed like appropiate places? And because DM had been tipped off to the AuDHD issue they immediately assumed it’s all OP‘s fault, instead of finding the issue. Either way, DM was a rude bitch about it, and completely unprofessional. They didn‘t even attempt to communicate, which was the very least they could do for a PAID game of TWENTY DOLLARS! Tf what. Poor OP.
I can't imagine continuing to play, much less stay friends with anyone who thought it was in any way okay to examine an unconscious character's genitals. The sheer disregard that demonstrates for boundaries, common decency, and just morals in general is astonishing. As a trans/enby person myself, I'd be seriously reevaluating my own safety in a group like that.
Probably being related to the DM and everyone realizing it was a mistake that was apologized over helped OP continue playing. Plus being the first DnD experience they were enjoying outside that incident.
Im the person that sent in that story They just genuinely didnt know that what they did was not ok So i just told them that it wasnt ok and i had no other issues Im also trans/enby though i didnt know it at the time
@@flamefox333 I'm glad things worked out for you, but the fact that they genuinely had no idea that something like that was wrong is, in some ways even more concerning.
Rule of Thumb: different people react differently to different things. in the US people scream like wounded jackals if a woman breastfeeds in public. in scandinavia people are naked in saunas.
16:49 - ah yes, the misogynistic ones here are the players, not the dm who made every woman an evil temptress in line with basically every trope about "sexy evil women", surely no internalized misogyny happening on the dm's part, not a chance in the slightest. Edit: In case it was unclear, this is very heavily sarcastic.
Yeah, I see so many conservatives say that the LGBTQ+ community says this all the time, but it's just the assholes who would've otherwise been an absolute nightmare to date who do that. Most people would not blow up at you about not dating them *regardless* of your sexual orientation, and those who do clearly don't understand that falsely accusing the person you're trying to date is not a good move for y'all's continued relationship like wtf
You know I was thinking and with the DMPC story the DM could have had a brilliant twist with the Rogue being the secret BBEG, he is having women possessed and using them for evil so he can grow closer to the man he's lusting after only for it not to work as the Rogue is secretly some inhuman being that can't truly understand people and love, the OP's aunt being turn evil and then killed by the Rogue could have been the first real sign of this, this is in part why he killed her and didn't understand why the Cleric would hate him for this.
For the last story, a DM should NEVER change ANYTHING about a pc without the player of the character's consent, no ifs ands or buts. A DM can ask "Hey, you good with your pc getting/being x?", but if the player sas no, that's it. It's their pc, they should have the final say
LITERALLY! If at ANY point he had messaged me about ANYTHING, I wouldn't have been as angry, but he just... changed things as he saw fit and if we didn't like it oh well get over it.
FYI Eilistraee is pronounced EEL-iss-TRAY-yee. I had a game with a female drow priestess of this godess and needed to pronounce it a lot. She is the goddess of good surface Drow so it looks like this DM didn't even bother to see what the god of the character's parents was all about. and just assumed Drow = Evil. I am fascinated with Drow myself and would have loved this backstory. I would have asked more questions like "Did these parents escape a Lolth based society from the underdark or were they born on the surface in a fully good Drow society?" Also, You could still have the brother somehow turn to evil as Eilistraee is a Goddess not an Arch Fey so the Arch Fey might have tricked her brother. That would have been a cool plot because then the player character would have to try and save him from a Fey Pact or something. You still need to check with the player beforehand, though. So many better options than this lazy DM took but as Crispy's states clearly "He had other problems." I want this player in my game, lol. It is kind of rare to get much backstory out of players but my current group is great for that!
The way it's worked out in our current campaign is that the arch fey my brother has as a patron works with her, helping out surface drow and such, so while his patron isn't Eilistraee herself, he does do things in her name. As for our parents; they were born in the Underdark in a city somewhat close to the surface. The city is used as a refuge for drow who have left Lolth and are trying to redeem themselves. The reason my druid was so obsessed with the night sky was because she was raised in Eilisraee's temple and grew up with the image of a drow in moonlight. As for the last part, I try my best to make sure I have a detailed enough backstory so that the DM can help me make character feel like part of the world and not just some random person dropped in. Also, 110% down to join a game.
Ugh, the feeling of having to spend all of your social energy (while already in a situation that can be socially draining) focusing on when/whether/how long people are pausing in their sentences and making sure you answer at just the right time that it sounds acceptably natural to them each time is a pain I know all too well 😔
And Eilistraee only followed her mother to the Dark Seradine or what ever it is called because she believed there is still good in the drow and she'd lead them on like the right path if that is what they seek
That might've been his only frame of reference, was the player talking about their character's build OOC. It's not like the DM gave them much opportunity to interact in game with their characters. Planning out details are a characteristic of power gaming, but not isolated to such playstyles.
Looks like proof to me that minmaxing is just a common symptom instead of a problem in and of itself. Most minmaxer problem players tend to have other symptoms as well instead of only minmaxing. Definitely not as bad as incels, firced fetishes, and straight up cheaters.
@@ArcCaravan Now that mention that Arc, I think you're right. Those min/max problem players always seem to have something else on top of it. Like severe main character syndrome for example. We've heard that one a few times on Crispy's channel alone if I recall correctly.
@@marybdrake1472 Yep. They end up either being main character syndromes or harass other players for roleplaying, if it isn't someone who has multiple problems. I remember none that were just a minmaxer alone.
Man that first story. I used to have a friend who's sentences were instanced and he had a loading screen between each of them. Not a big problem but sometimes would interrupt even if you knew him well. He just kinda blew up on everyone at some point and got really bitter about it, rather than try to talk about it. After trying to reach out to him for a while I just kinda gave up. If you have problems people, then take the conflict of bringing it up before it turns into strife. Conflicts done right is a path of progress, even in relationships.
Pro tip: don't let your dmpc get the final blow against the main bad guy of any encounter, unless it's absolutely necessary. Let them deal with the mobs or soften the main baddie for the PCs to deal the final blow
But that doesnt sell how awesome and cool and badass they are! How else is the dmpc supposed to woo their crush if they aren't a knight in shining armor at all times?
@@francescogulisano2917 I'm thinking of the story with the fujoshi dm with the dmpc. Or that other story with the wizard dmpc that just kills the guy responcible for OP's character's backstory, expecting them to be indebted to this super cool, awesome wizard instead of feeling hollow at this victory unearned.
if your players do shit during the fight like not stopping attacking one minute and not even wait for the boss to do a attack. is ok to stop the fight using a little npc related to the boss. and after a few minutes let a pissed npc finish the boss?
That story with the mean paid DM was fuckin wild. How are you gonna charge $20 for a game, only have 2 sessions then drop the group with out explanation or a refund. Honestly it sounded like a scam the DM regularly runs where he takes people's money and then says THEY'RE the problem. when he decides to drop them. I have trouble with cues to and being a roleplayer I don't like long pauses in a conversation it sounds weird and ruins my immersion. but my group understands that and I usually quickly apologize and let them finish. issue avoided.
I just discovered a heretofore unsuspected evil streak in myself...the minute you pointed that out, I thought "Wow, that's a scam _I_ could actually pull off! How hard would that be to set up, I wonder?" Then conscience caught up with me: I started thinking I would have to charge less, and that I should _at least_ give them three or four decent sessions _before_ I bugged out...and this is why I never succeed at dishonest endeavors, I always try to tweak them until they're more honest. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Yeah, the more I think about it the more I'm suspicious of that. Maybe it's just because I'm a nerdy engineer but accidental interruptions and apologies have been a normal part of every group discussion I've ever been in, you don't even think about them, to me it's just part of the normal pattern of human interaction and it's TWICE as frequent in virtual meetings. That's why critical voice communications have to use special patterns and keywords like "over" to avoid that happening!
It just sounds like the "pick me girl" DM was heavily into BL. I'm very close to two people with that interest, and thankfully they're not toxic like this. Just sucks to see jerks like this bringing a bad look to the subculture. It happened in an old CritCrab video, too. :/ The Fjord x Caleb shippers were intense...
I too have a friend who is deeply, deeply into BL. She's kind of obsessive about that - if you let her corner you at a party she'll drown you with her latest yaoi fanfictions. Once I pointed out that the manga she was rewriting was BASED on the love of the main character for the female main, and she said something to the effect of "because he hasn't realized how he truly loves (his nemesis in the manga), and how she is just taking advantage of him." ...I kind of classified it as a lost cause and perfected my "misdirect and run" technique for later meetings. Which is sad because she's nice, fun and pretty when she's not knocking your ears off with yaoi.
I myself am also in the fandom and have unfortunately run into these people. This is 100% a case of a toxic, obsessive, fetishizing member of the fandom. Right down to the bad BL fanfic trope of "weak bottom with tragic backstory gets saved by bland Chad top", bonus points for it being an abusive female family member or a female bully so the bottom has a fear of women...
@@RiveroftheWither Worse yet is when the fanfic amounts to "sex solves everything, and abuse is not abuse if there are feelings in it". Some time ago, I tried to write "believable yaoi" - basically, the chad top pins the weak bottom to the wall, the bottom says (as they always do) "but senpai, we can't! It's not right!" ...and the top says "... I'm sorry, I don't know what got over me. Wanna go for ice cream?" and they leave and have a nice evening talking and enjoying life. My friends said it was very nice, but the very moment I posted it online there would be a mob of rabid yaoi fangirls clamoring for my head on a platter because "I ruined everything".
@@alarkhar - Post it! Some fans might hate it, but I'll bet more than you expect would _love_ the trope subversion, and enjoy a healthy romantic interaction for a change. :)
I heard the "homophobia" story before and I gotta say, her logic is ass backwards. Also, she is only acting this unreasonable when potential straight ship could happen, right down to all the villains being women. That sounds like "heterophobic" behavior to me. She's a damn hypocrite
The stonewalling the two PCs from interacting with eachother would add credibility to this. As that could be a percieved hetero ship. Its possible the DM would have relented with their bad behavior if OP had hos character hook up with one of the many male NPCs. (Considering all the female NPCs turned out to be evil to some degree.)
Bizarrely enough it's possible some women head so far in the other direction with these narratives they unintentionally become misogynists. I always find it kind of surreal when it happens and usually the people doing it are young teens so this is especially kind of concerning here.
imo the female dm was just jealous op wouldnt do yaoi rp with her but chose to romance a player character instead . she prob also thinks the all female villains is feminist in some backwards way , like " look ! my games have empowered dangerous women ! yes she can ! " but rlly it just enforces stereotypes of femininity \:
this is so sadge. forcing romance regardless of straight or lgbt+ without the other party being okay is wrong. personally though, since it is pride month, I am hopping for a few good lgbtq+ stories for the month to celebrate it.
We'll have a Tavern Adjacent episode to talk about my personal experience with being queer! I'll also probably do another TTT episode on romance advice, though that one is still in the air.
@@dr0g_OakbloodI'd be curious how that could happen while still being a horror story. Just realized you could have meant in Crispy's non-horror content.
@@CrispysTavern Can you please explain what you mean by "queer"? As far as I know, "queer" means odd, different, or unusual, and is often used in British English as such. I can't seem to nail down the definition it's been given by the LGBTQ community, no matter how hard I try.
@@JacobL228It's a homophobic slur, so someone who is gay using it to describe themselves is like a black person using a word with a hard R to refer to themselves, or a south Asian person using something that sounds like it's shorthand for Pakistani, or a person with Downs calling themselves spastic, or if Crispy were to refer to himself as a word that refers to a shrill sound of two pieces of metal hitting each other, a crack so wide visible light shines through it and a weakness of some kind like an Achilles Heel. It's really weird for people to proudly refer to themselves as these dehumanizing slurs.
Homophobia story: Yea, that DM feels very much like a rabid fanshipper. You know, the sort that the froth at the mouth and turn 1,000% hostile to anyone or anything that challenges their "sHiP" AKA their delusions. In my experiences, their delusions know no bounds because they are ducking nuts and most often exist as a toxic cesspool of a blight upon every fandom they take an interest in.
More like heterophobia. But I have actually met people who act like this in real life. What's weird is that I have also experienced people who tried to force relationships in general. Like they were some matchmaker or something. It was really bizarre and creepy when they had tried to get me and someone I disliked to get together all because of some " enemies to lover" trope mixed with "bully falls in love with their victim." trope. I can still remember me and the guy i disliked looking at her like she was nuts.
Oh, yes, the "all drow are evil" thing, again. If you follow official lore, they are not (not all, anyway). If you don't use the official lore, it's good to warn your players, but mostly I hate the all evil camp. The lore is so much more rich and complex than all that.
I would imagine that due to their culture in the lore quite a few Drow are not evil, but doing things to keep themselves from being done to. Now I'm inspired to create a Drow resistance group. Just need a good name.
@@davidtherwhanger6795 The followers of Eilistraee, and the goddess herself, have the goal of redeeming the entire race and returning them to the surface. I probably misspelled her name, but she's also known as the Dark Maiden. Look her up, or read "The Lady Penitent" trilogy by Lisa Smedman for all the lore
I honestly just strongly dislike the idea of racial alignments in general, I find it weird how strongly some people cling to them. If it's a matter of cultural influences pulling a people group more in one direction or the other, that's one thing, but a blanket, "all X must be evil," there's just so much that needs to be unpacked with that.
@@johntheherbalistg8756 I know who Eilistraee is. However her goal is to do so non-violently. I think that a bunch of those Drow looking to leave feel they will have to be violent about it. And thus a resistance instead of a movement.
Sounds like they ran into a fujoshi- I’ve met my share of em and most that I met, (unfortunately) carry 2 very specific and big issues, 1. They ship all the guys FORCEFULLY whether you like it or not. And 2. Hate on all female characters because they are “competition” in their ship fantasy. So the champagnes I played in with these people in charge always shit on all the girl characters, perved on the boys, and cried homophobia is you did not cater to their ships- regardless of it was against your consent or not. Also if you committed the sin of being a love rival( in their eyes) even if you’re just a friend (cause friendship doesn’t exist in these dynamics) they tried to kill you off or turn your character into a pariah. Keep in mind I DONT call people who just like the BL genre, fujoshi -(meaning rotten girl), they specifically have to be this OBSESSED with BL to this toxic degree. i only consider those who will force their kink onto anyone and everyone and ostracize anyone who doesn’t play along with their fantasy- a *true* fujoshi. Currently, that particular term is being reclaimed in some circles to have a more blanketed meaning, but around the time it first came out, It’s specifically meant the very definition of a “rotten person”. A person turned rotten because of their unhealthy obsession with this particular genre fiction, that they pulled this kind of crap on people.
Exactly, I’ve also noticed a lot fujoshis shit on lesbian relationships and I honestly doubt that a fujoshi dm would let one be in a game. Fetishizing gay relationships is definitely a form of homophobia
Yepp, sounds like the type. The term IS being reclaimed, but now we reached the point where people will frame themself as these good, 'pure' shippers, and hate on 'the freaky fujos' while talking the same shit. It took so much effort and time just wading through bullshit to block, mute and weed out lesbophobes from any fandom circles i'm in. I have a lot more mlm than wlw ships from media, (because female characters often ARE written real bad) but most of my own characters are sapphics, and seeing 'progressive' folks in fandom trashtalk any girl that dared to breath in the same room as their baby boys is so damn disheartening, and takes away all the confidence I'd need to post my own writing with my girlies. I swear these people never heard of mlm-wlw solidarity.
the thing about being ND is we sometimes need to understand the same things different ways so we know we got it. I've had people screw with me, tell me one thing than say another I seriously can't tell if I just heard them wrong or if they're assholes. so I try to make sure.
As a woman (a gay woman) who enjoys MLM media as much as WLW media, my teeth ache from grinding rn. Thats was just so impossibly out of bounds. Ill admit- in my early days of realizing my own identity, MLM media was easier to enjoy than WLW cause it was a way to explore queerness in a way that didn’t make me think too hard about my own life, relationships, and inner turmoil. I still have a special kind of fondness for it even though I now enjoy all kinds of queer media. Ive played gay men in dnd just as much as Ive played gay women but to force someone else into an identity they don’t want? Thats just really sickening and for what??? The whole vibe just reeks of internalized misogyny- where she thinks that in stories, women aren’t interesting enough characters to be paired off so all the male characters get shipped around.
I get nervous talking to people sometimes, and it's easy enough to talk over me 'cause I have a tendency to let other people talk. So I might not get said what I wanted to say, and then I forget what I wanted to say later on. Communication is hard. Anxiety does not help. I also have adhd, by the way. So I get it.
Just a Tad Salty - We had a character in one of my Cyberpunk games that was specifically _designed_ to be a person that people wouldn't like much - somewhat of a douchebag, former gang member with a glowing "kill counter" tattoo prominently on one arm - and even *_he_* wasn't played as obnoxiously as the annoying person in this story. In our case, the player trod the line of being annoying enough that there were reasons why the other characters might not like him much and are pretty much "putting up with him" because they had to (he was at least useful) but not being so annoying that it disrupted the games and made them unbearable for other players... kept the dickheadedness down to non-threatening levels - also didn't have "Main Character Syndrome" - he was just one of the people in the group and the player passed up numerous occasions when his character could have quite easily ruined everything by behaving in his typical manner. The player recognised that there were times for "Jake to be Jake" and other times to keep Jake in the background where he can't do any damage and let someone else - who's not likely to start a war - take the lead. I mean, "setting the sewers on fire" might be the sort of thing he would *suggest* as a plan, but he wouldn't outright *do* something that stupid and would expect the other players to shout it down as the bloody stupid idea it is and then go with the far better plan someone else came up with. You can play an "unlikeable" character or a misfit without going all out and pissing off the entire party to the point that no one wants your character around.
Wait I didn't even realize that the second story was an online game. That just makes it even worse. I'm currently in a Curse of Strahd campaign, me and the alchemist keep accidentally talking at the same time as eachother, I accidentally interrupted people once or twice, the other player was pretty quiet, and the dm has a bit of a stutter. And you know what, it's my favorite campaign I've been in so far. The people are good, the characters are fun, so what if we have some miscommunications?
YES, I am autistic and have ADHD and so so often I accidentally start speaking when I think there are pauses and there are not in my Dnd games and just generally in life and I always feel awful for it.
Hey Crispy, I have been listening to your videos basically nonstop recently while working. I have just realized sometimes my inner monologues happen in your voice lol. Thanks for the amazing content!
@@clarehidalgo - My brain went to names like "Eileen" and "Eisenhower" for examples. "Eight" has that pesky "gh" that does so many weird things to pronunciation, lol.
according to the Wiki, it should go "EYEL-iss-TRY-ee" which makes sense, it is an elvish name. that said, however you can spit it out so your DM knows what you're referring too should be good enough, any DM that would actually hold pronunciation against you deserves to have a thassorus planted in their face at 90 MPH
Regarding Eilistraee, don't worry too much about how to pronounce the names of gods or nations or anything in the forgotten realms setting. As Ed Greenwood likes to say "There's probably somebody in the realms that pronounces it that way"
"Good" characters don't have to be warm, or friendly, or even pleasant. And they can do "Bad" things. But, at their core, a good character cares about the wellbeing of people around them. They're empathetic and benevolent. A good character might sacrifice a dozen people to save a hundred or torture a villain for information that might save a whole village, but it will hurt them. They will be tortured inside by the suffering and death they inflict because beneath the hardness they have accrued to survive in a harsh world, they are motivated by a pure and indestructible empathy that can be buried, but never lost. A good character can do bad things for good reasons, but they will carry that weight with them. An easy way to show that your edgy "Good" character who just tortured a bandit is still "Good" might be for them to gruffly say that they're heading off and not to follow... And then a player follows and eavesdrops, and sees the edgy player crying. Just quietly crying, while staring at the knife they used for the torture. But then they dry their eyes, wash their blade, and come back to camp with their usual cold, edgy, brooding demeanour.
Lol, I love how you're, "I'm a salty bitch. Don't be like me." Honestly, more people should be like that. The bad ones won't learn if people keep forgiving them. I hold grudges.
From what I played of Neverwinter Nights' expansion, Hordes of the Underdark, back in the day, followers of Eilistraee, are portrayed as generally nuetral/good aligned, usually fairly pacifistic. They really don't fight unless they're forced to. That makes the change the DM made not make any sense to me. We know not all drow are evil, and it's weird to make the assumption that Eilistraee's devoted would be.
Being interrupted over Discord: Ah yes, surely there is absolutely no explanation for this other than deliberate malice. No such thing as *LAG* in voice chat, for example. Or alternately just missing certain cues you would only have if you were able to literally see the person. Not to mention the autism+ADHD combo which is, like, a double whammy of *trouble recognizing social cues in the first place.* ...I mean, I feel like not getting to finish sentences is such an *exceptionally* commonplace occurrence that if I were to cut everyone who did it out of my life, I would be left with roughly five people to talk to. So there is also that. (I mean there are some people whom I have just stopped interacting with because they just never let me finish a thought.)
That MLM DM made my blood boil without even being there. Gay or not I FUCKING HATE when someone forces dramatic romantic relationships, especially WHEN THE OTHER PERSON DOES NOT CARE
If the other players (with the permission of the DM as well) SA my character while I went out to get water, I would not play with them anymore This also makes me wonder if DM told them what was in the character's pants, and if they did, how the hell did they know?
4:04 no wonder, impaired ability to detect conversational turns is one of the main autism symptoms that cause communication problems, and playing online makes such things so much harder
Omg for the homophobia story…deffo sounds like an MLM fetishist, and on top of that…like, babe, playing a silly, lighthearted, one sided crush can be SUPER fun! That said tho, speaking as a queer woman, it would take A LOT to get me to even consider doing that much, let alone actually fully trying to play a queer romance, with a straight person LOL And if you’re Jonesin’ for nothing but queer stuff, all you gotta do is roll with people who want that too - TRUST ME, it’s not difficult in the TTRPG scene LOL
Tbh I understand being interrupted can be annoying but when I’m at a hobby and talking/bonding and we’re both really into it it’s kinda fun because it means we’re both invested and respect one another’s time
Happy Pride Month! Eilistraee (Pronounced Ay-List-Rah-Yee) is the naked, tree hugging, nature-dwelling, peace-and-loving, hippy daughter of The Lolth (Spider goddess of dark elves) and Corellon Larethian (The god of surface-dwelling elves). Her whole thing is getting dark elves to bond with the surface-dwellers. She was created because so many people wanted to play good dark elves. So dark elves can absolutely be good. Did that DM ever hear of Drizzt Do'Urden or Liriel Baenre?
I feel for OP in the Eberron story. Being on the spectrum and having ADHD has been, well, hell on gaming time. I wish the player had as understanding fellow players as I did (mostly). #HappyPrideMonth
There’s only 2 ways to have a good DMPC: either it is equally as strong as the party and the DM has incredible integrity. Or the DMPC can be stronger than the party, but only act as support for a party without a healer and is just slinging heal spells and guidances
I cannot tell you how long it took me to realize that the "they and their" pants in the intro story was OP and not the druid and warlock/sorcerer looking down their own pants
25:58 I think, if I were the GM there, I would have said that the druid recognized something zombie!dad was wearing, or a prominent visible scar. Also, I probably would have had it be the result of a check. It's not great, but if them recognizing the parent is important for some reason, it's better than just "you remember his face now".
7:50 “Who hasn’t been talked over on discord” There is literally a option where you can set users as lead speakers, where their mic trumps everyone else’s.
Doomed Game Considering how he acted to the two female players, I think the DM had some serious issues and hashed it out on them. Good on Op and Cleric for leaving
7:00 take your adhd meds if even your friends are noticing you talk over people and interrupt. Its a common adhd symptom. One i have as well. I don't do it on meds. Self-awareness is also one component of avoiding horror stories !
I have rules when I need to introduce a DMPC. (1) They are temporary... very temporary. (2) They gain xp SLOWER than the rest of the party, usually ensuring they eventually start to get out-paced by the party and will have to step away or else slowly start hindering the group, which the DMPC themselves will notice is happening and try to help the party by leaving when safe to do so - this also helps slowly put more of the work onto the PCs themselves, slowly phasing the DMPC's contributions out. (3) Unless there is a REALLY good reason to, the DMPC will never give the last hit on a final or major enemy in a fight. One of the minions, sure. The encounter's big bad. Nope. The enemy will ALWAYS just happen to have a few more extra hps than what was needed. (4) The backstory of the DMPC only comes up as a bit of flavor IF a PC inquires about it. But as far as the overall campaign is concerned, their backstory is really not relevant. (5) The DMPC is expendable as f***. If things turn sour for the group as the dice suddenly thinks they are being rolled by Wil Wheaton, yeah I might have the DMPC to come in and save the day,... and that will result in the DMPC's death. Saves the group, gives them a mulligan, but it's at a cost of an ally that is not getting replaced.... at least that is my intent. That said, this has still bit me. At the end of one climatic fight, my DMPC was killed (oddly enough right before I could have her get "accidentally" separated from the group, as a variation on #2 up above). At first I thought "well, that's one way to get rid of her". Unfortunately, the group liked her enough that she had "gentle repose" cast on her. (PF1e game btw.) And she was stuffed into a party member's bag of holding. Over a year later, out of game, goes by, and the party eventually spends the money on the diamond to rez her after the cleric gets strong enough to cast the spell. So now I have a character who is WAY under-leveled for the current encounters, has a negative level for another in-game week, and with the group off in the middle of nowhere. I'm not sure how to get her to want to leave, since she'd be doing it in too dangerous a location. I find it humorous that my problem is coming from the fact that I have a DMPC that is too well liked by the group and now I can't get rid of her. Is there such a thing as a self-inflicted horror story?
i like to imagine in the NB story that the characters who “checked” for genitals, which id count as harassment, found nothing. like “whats in your pants? doom!” thing
Sorcerer NPC merchant with a sadistic sense of humor "the moment they pants the character, I use Subtle Spell to cast Evard's Black Tentacles in such a way they appear to be the tabaxi's anatomy."
I can actually see a super edgem stand offish character working, not by my hand, but with someone who can ride the balance of them brooding in the corner when not actively pursuing a mission. Like, when every stops by a tavern to celebrate a job well done, they just have a meal then wait by the door for everyone else to "stop wasting time" and have their barriers slowly worn down as they are around this ragtag group of people who dont let their pasts define them. Like, maybe even having a running gag where they always sit down next to someone at the bar when theyre celebrating (after some goading to join the festivities), ordering a drink, and soon as theyre welcomed to the party, they shoot it down... until they don't. Maybe even a time when the other psrty member just gives them space, they get kinda confused that this interaction went off script and asks if they were going to try to say something to them. Gosh, i wish i had the experience to even think of running this character, but thatll take a while still, but maybe one day.
The talking over people thing is stupid I've been playing with friends for nearly 3 years and we're constantly shouting over each other our main DM has ADHD and he's the loudest of all of us 😂
Regardless of sexual preference, if you don't want to roleplay or participate in a romantic encounter--no matter who is in it--you do not need to do it nor should it be forced on you.
making every woman in the story a villain and not allowing them to be reasoned with or spared, then calling the players misogynist is crazy
more like hypocritical.
Also by that same logic wouldn't the DM, who is a woman and is her own world's god btw, is also evil as she set everything like that.
I think making the villains seductress femme fatales was attempts at slut shaming. I question why that DM allowed a female party member.
@@ArcCaravan nah, the actual reason is that women who are unnaturally fixated on gay men often read yaoi fics where the author only writes women in as "challenges" to sexuality. all the women were trying to seduce the male pc because him NOT being seduced and ""converted"" was part of her FETISH, since it ""proved"" he "didn't like women" (even though she never even wrote women that the party wasn't forced to fight). she probably let the other player be a woman just because she thought that the player would also be into it and/or serve as a wingman for HER character. all i know is that if i were around the dm i world transform into the most uninteresting straight person ever as a survival mechanism.
And it was a woman making all the women bad
"The DM won't let me RP with the min-maxer" is not a sentence i ever expected to hear.
Dm is forcing a ship on me is not shocking
Hey, sometimes min-maxers can be fun. This is a good example of it.
@@catpoke9557I know a min-maxer like that! She’s running my group’s other weekly game; super into roleplay, and ironically the campaign seems to be about making our PC’s gods rather than any one NPC. Very empowering stuff.
@@zacharysieg2305 We'd be lying if we said that it's never fun to play an OP character! I usually do the opposite (I enjoy playing characters with many flaws intentionally) but when I do make an OP character it really does feel awesome, so long as it's all done right. Awesome that your min-maxer friend is making a campaign all around that feeling haha
"You need to roll a wisdom save to attack someone you love."
"I'll remember that for if I ever do it."
I'd ask if I get advantage for hating him then.
@@ArcCaravanyou should
THIS
The DM from the homophobia story definitely sounds like one of those shippers who really love mlm ships but REALLY hates female characters based on how she writes them and how she didnt like the two players characters having chemistry. I've seen too many of those types of folks online in my time
Seeing a Fandom has a popular mlm ship: 😮?
Seeing how the fans act when a female character interacts even ONCE with the pairing: 😨
Seen it happen wayyy too much and it's always so bad with girls who also act weird around lesbians like the math never checks out.
If she was a guy then I bet they'd be misogynist to demonize women like that.
@@lexcentrique2554 women can be misogynist too.
@@lexcentrique2554actually, she IS misogynistic in this story. She stereotypes women into being edgy flirts and evil. Men got to be neutral or good, such as the DMPC. She got upset when a female character had personality and helped OP's character, then accused OP for being homphobic because he wasn't interested in a forced romance. Demonizing women is misogyny, and arguably (in my opinion) fetishising mlm relationship can be considered that too.
@@mastertofuyeah, I agree, she basically did what the ancient Greeks did lmao like “women suck so I’m gonna go and romance men”, essentially. There are way too many women like her in online mlm shipping circles, which absolutely sucks, as someone who is actually a queer man irl. Fandom spaces are not safe for us bc of people like her, and sadly there are WAY too many.
That one DM in the story about the homophobia accusation was actually the homophobe in the form of fetishizing homosexual people. "Guy on Guy" was a major tip off to this. She doesn't actually care about gay people real or fictional. as you can tell by constantly ignoring the PC's concerns about.. anything. I know the OPs PC wasn't gay, but that didn't even matter to the DM, all she wanted was "guy on guy" action.
She also reeks of internalised misogyny.
As a gay man, we should have her terminated from life.
And then using “misogyny” as a shield for her shitty behavior 🙄
She sounds like a definite yaoi fetishizer
While being shitty to the other girl there. Yeeeep.
A gender neutral tabaxi monk could be considered...
*Nyan* binary
……..as a nb myself, that is………..clever, i like it 😂 and hm got an idea
Yess nyanbinary :3
Bwahaha! 😅
@@gregoryvn3 I ate my cat.
@@MyIslandisbeautifulwithallofuyou make me want to cry. That's (in my opinion) kind of cruel. But even so, i do respect YOUR opinion.
Hi, Druid from the last story here! It's feels a bit like an honor to be featured and I really appreciated all of the comments giving love to my girl Eilistraee!
It's my understanding the DM doesn't DM anymore, and my IRL friends started up a new game and my DM buddy helped tweak Druid's backstory a little so I'm playing my little banished drow again!
Bard College of Citrus wrote a song about her called "By the light of the moon" it's great, Eilistraee is one of my favorite gods, im making a cleric of her now.
Nice!
@@SkamosTheDruid Eillistraee has been a favorite of mine since I found out she existed. I have just one complaint (not limited to Eillistraee), namely: how the (bleep) do I pronounce that name?!? (Yes, it’s a bit of a pet peeve. No, my knowing and acknowledging that doesn’t keep me from ranting about it from time to time.)
Eilistraee is supposed to be a redeeming goddess for drow. She’s specifically built in so drow don’t NEED to be evil. She’s an enemy of Lolth and her followers live in hippy communes that dance naked in moonlight. My half-drow character is the love child between an Eilistraee drow and a nomadic barbarian.
She probably takes after her pops - after all, she's the baby daughter of Corellon Larethian and Lolth, before their divorce (is "casting your evil, scheming spouse into the abyss before she kills you forever" even a divorce?) and the only drow Goddess the various good pantheons have no problems with.
@@alarkhar Sounds like a divorce to me. Drow stuff is so cool. Lolth’s layer of the abyss is nuts, too.
@@alarkhar Indeed. Lolth tricking Corellon into thinking Eilistraee betrayed him when the Grumsh conspiracy unfolded was part of what made the entire plot so tragic.
@@johngleeman8347 And what makes Lolth such a bitch. I bet the drow of Eberron are grateful for being born there rather than anywhere else... (the head of Eberron's drow pantheon is a NG god, despite looking like a hybrid of drow and scorpion)
I didn't know Drow had a redeeming goddess, that's... really cool actually! Nice to see the lore gave players a reason/method to play a traditionally-evil race.
The whole point of Eilistraee is that she is a GOOD ALIGNED DROW GODDESS IN DIRECT OPPOSITION TO LOLTH!!! A drow who follows her is a drow freed from Lolth's evil. It's fine if you don't want to include her in your setting, but you need to tell your players that beforehand!
Ah, Discord talkover! If I had a nickle for every time someone uttered:
"I'm sorry... you go."
"No, you go."
"Thanks; sorry."
It's all just part of the game. Honestly, it happens a lot in person too. I think that's just how talking works. (With us, at least.)
It happened so much in my Curse of Strahd campaign that we started referring to it as a Minnesota Standoff.
that dm is legitimately unhinged. making some guy's aunt into a villain who he is apparently lusting after just because she hates other women.
Too much bad BL fanfiction. It's a painfully common trope that the "bottom" has a (typically VERY OVER THE TOP) tragic backstory that the alpha Chad Gary Stu "top" saves them from.
That makes me question why that DM allowed a female player with a female character.
@@RiveroftheWither im always wary of ppl who happily call themselves fujioshis or Bl 'lovers' bc they're always on the verge of salivating weirdly over gay men at any moment.
@@vespernight4236 I call myself a fujoshi and "rotten" (fujoshi inside joke) just for the self aware meme of it. A lot of us do but definitely the people who call themselves that seriously are usually crazy.
@@vespernight4236 - As long as they limit their salivating to _fictional_ gay men, that's fine with me. I will, however, gleefully savage any stories that bash perfectly innocent female characters for no reason.
There is a certain type of young female nerd that likes to fetishize gay relationships. You know the type, the ones that get really into Yaoi and every ship they back in a fandom is two dudes. Usually they grow out of it. The DM from Story Two seems like one of those.
It's for that reason that I have a guteral reaction to any yaoi ship in most anime fandoms, I have lost all trust that they aren't fetish-made. Literally the only story I read with an actual popular gay pairing (Sasuke/Naruto) was one where they were the secondary ship, and the best thing that I can say about the ship was that they were actually really in character and the relationship was believable and had chemistry. Now one could argue that it's the fact that I am specifically talking the Naruto fandom and that my sample size for LGBTQ+ pairing in fics is therefore skewed cringe, I can acknowledge that.
The DM from Story Too was almost _too much_ like one of those fans. I, like Crispy, also hate to go to the "What is True?" dimension, but if I didn't, then this story would practically be a all-expense paid invitation.
It doesnt help that the ships they love tend to be some of the most toxic and unhealthy ones you can possibly imagine.
Fujoshi is the term you're describing here
I know someone like that too, unfortunately... She didn't grow out of the yaoi phase. It bugged me to no end
About the last story... I wonder how the DM would have treated my drow cleric.
"You see your father advance against you, wielding a sword."
"I salute him, and say "Och, me da! Wha' ye doin' with that sissy thing? Where did ye put yer axe?"
"..what kind of an accent is that?"
"A DWARVEN accent. The accent you'd expect from a drow adopted and raised by DWARVES. Or didn't you notice that my character's name is ULTORTH STONEHANDS, cleric of MORADIN? If you were planning on having "my father" speak to me in Drow, save it - Ultorth doesn't speak a single word of Drow."
I have to ask if Drow is a language, I don't care if I look stupid doing it. That is a great skit.
@@ArcCaravan Usually Drow speak undercommon and elvish, drow is not a language but I could see a DM ruling they speak a different dialect of elvish if players wanted
@@ArcCaravan Probably drow is just a dialect - but what would Ultorth know of it? I mean, he was raised by dwarves in a dwarven town, he'd already be lucky if he met one surface elf or two, let alone a drow that isn't him...
@@clarehidalgo Actually Drow DO have a language....sort of. Drow have a unique form of Sign Language called "Drow Sign Language" which they use for communication while stalking the underdark. REALLY helps sneak up on people in order to take them prisoner when you have super good darkvision and attack from the shadows.
But yeah, no spoken language that's unique to them.
This is the canon version of events now. I don't care what actually happened in game.
I will never understand people's obsession with what is in or isn't in someone else's pants, fictional or non fictional.
That didn't sound like obsession, more like joke or fucking around especially that later they had fun with campaign
EDIT: Looks like I was right, OP said it was just dumb joke here in coments
Because they're afraid that they might have gotten a boner over someone they think is "sinful"
@@realdragon Jokes are supposed to be funny
@@realdragon Considering actual people go through that because for some people knowing what genitals certain people have is information they just have to know, it's mean spirited and creepy. Bc if it was just a funny joke why do it when the OP wasn't around to shut them down? It's good that there was no repeat offense but I wouldn't blame OP if they cut ties then and there
@@zinkheroofyoutube8004 Then no joke in the world is funny because someone would find it unfunny
As someone who also has ADD and ASD (Autism Spectrun Disorder), the DM from the Startplaying campaign reeeaaalllyyy grinded my gears. I've had to deal with people like that for my whole life, to the point where I hate the word "rude" now
My least favorite word is "inappropriate." It's like rude but also infantilizing. (Hi. That was my story.)
I also feel like connection latency might have been the root of the problem. Maybe OPs connection was really bad that day, which is why DM was talking when they answered in what seemed like appropiate places? And because DM had been tipped off to the AuDHD issue they immediately assumed it’s all OP‘s fault, instead of finding the issue.
Either way, DM was a rude bitch about it, and completely unprofessional. They didn‘t even attempt to communicate, which was the very least they could do for a PAID game of TWENTY DOLLARS! Tf what.
Poor OP.
I can't imagine continuing to play, much less stay friends with anyone who thought it was in any way okay to examine an unconscious character's genitals.
The sheer disregard that demonstrates for boundaries, common decency, and just morals in general is astonishing. As a trans/enby person myself, I'd be seriously reevaluating my own safety in a group like that.
Probably being related to the DM and everyone realizing it was a mistake that was apologized over helped OP continue playing. Plus being the first DnD experience they were enjoying outside that incident.
Im the person that sent in that story
They just genuinely didnt know that what they did was not ok
So i just told them that it wasnt ok and i had no other issues
Im also trans/enby though i didnt know it at the time
@@flamefox333 I'm glad things worked out for you, but the fact that they genuinely had no idea that something like that was wrong is, in some ways even more concerning.
Rule of Thumb: different people react differently to different things.
in the US people scream like wounded jackals if a woman breastfeeds in public.
in scandinavia people are naked in saunas.
"It's what my character would do."
"Play a better character then cause this one is shit."
16:49 - ah yes, the misogynistic ones here are the players, not the dm who made every woman an evil temptress in line with basically every trope about "sexy evil women", surely no internalized misogyny happening on the dm's part, not a chance in the slightest.
Edit: In case it was unclear, this is very heavily sarcastic.
It's always a fun time when that DMPC everyone hates actually dies.
Yes indeed. Especially when nobody buys the DM playing victim.
The 'DATE ME OR YOU'RE A BIGOT" argument is really, really stupid.
Yeah, I see so many conservatives say that the LGBTQ+ community says this all the time, but it's just the assholes who would've otherwise been an absolute nightmare to date who do that. Most people would not blow up at you about not dating them *regardless* of your sexual orientation, and those who do clearly don't understand that falsely accusing the person you're trying to date is not a good move for y'all's continued relationship like wtf
And old.
Indeed. And then claiming her victims are misogynistic for not doing what she wanted.
- Okay i'm a bigot then. Piss off.
- No! Wait--!!
@@ArcCaravanIf anything, she seemed to have some actual internalized misogyny considering how she portrayed woman NPCs as evil all the time.
You know I was thinking and with the DMPC story the DM could have had a brilliant twist with the Rogue being the secret BBEG, he is having women possessed and using them for evil so he can grow closer to the man he's lusting after only for it not to work as the Rogue is secretly some inhuman being that can't truly understand people and love, the OP's aunt being turn evil and then killed by the Rogue could have been the first real sign of this, this is in part why he killed her and didn't understand why the Cleric would hate him for this.
Write that down! Write that down!
For the last story, a DM should NEVER change ANYTHING about a pc without the player of the character's consent, no ifs ands or buts. A DM can ask "Hey, you good with your pc getting/being x?", but if the player sas no, that's it. It's their pc, they should have the final say
LITERALLY! If at ANY point he had messaged me about ANYTHING, I wouldn't have been as angry, but he just... changed things as he saw fit and if we didn't like it oh well get over it.
I've heard enough grumbles about weird fan-fic writers to believe that a DM could act like that.
FYI Eilistraee is pronounced EEL-iss-TRAY-yee. I had a game with a female drow priestess of this godess and needed to pronounce it a lot. She is the goddess of good surface Drow so it looks like this DM didn't even bother to see what the god of the character's parents was all about. and just assumed Drow = Evil.
I am fascinated with Drow myself and would have loved this backstory. I would have asked more questions like "Did these parents escape a Lolth based society from the underdark or were they born on the surface in a fully good Drow society?" Also, You could still have the brother somehow turn to evil as Eilistraee is a Goddess not an Arch Fey so the Arch Fey might have tricked her brother. That would have been a cool plot because then the player character would have to try and save him from a Fey Pact or something. You still need to check with the player beforehand, though. So many better options than this lazy DM took but as Crispy's states clearly "He had other problems."
I want this player in my game, lol. It is kind of rare to get much backstory out of players but my current group is great for that!
The way it's worked out in our current campaign is that the arch fey my brother has as a patron works with her, helping out surface drow and such, so while his patron isn't Eilistraee herself, he does do things in her name.
As for our parents; they were born in the Underdark in a city somewhat close to the surface. The city is used as a refuge for drow who have left Lolth and are trying to redeem themselves. The reason my druid was so obsessed with the night sky was because she was raised in Eilisraee's temple and grew up with the image of a drow in moonlight.
As for the last part, I try my best to make sure I have a detailed enough backstory so that the DM can help me make character feel like part of the world and not just some random person dropped in. Also, 110% down to join a game.
Ugh, the feeling of having to spend all of your social energy (while already in a situation that can be socially draining) focusing on when/whether/how long people are pausing in their sentences and making sure you answer at just the right time that it sounds acceptably natural to them each time is a pain I know all too well 😔
wtf? I remember Ellistraee isn't evil. she's Lloth's rebel daughter and her followers feed the hungry and free slaves.
Yup, and IIRC her father is Corellon Larethian!
And Eilistraee only followed her mother to the Dark Seradine or what ever it is called because she believed there is still good in the drow and she'd lead them on like the right path if that is what they seek
@@clarehidalgo the "all drow are evil" people really pisses me off.
thanks for adding to this.
It's funny to me how the min maxer was actually helpful in the first story. XD They are overwhelmingly the problem in so many cases.
That might've been his only frame of reference, was the player talking about their character's build OOC. It's not like the DM gave them much opportunity to interact in game with their characters.
Planning out details are a characteristic of power gaming, but not isolated to such playstyles.
Looks like proof to me that minmaxing is just a common symptom instead of a problem in and of itself. Most minmaxer problem players tend to have other symptoms as well instead of only minmaxing. Definitely not as bad as incels, firced fetishes, and straight up cheaters.
@@ArcCaravan Now that mention that Arc, I think you're right.
Those min/max problem players always seem to have something else on top of it. Like severe main character syndrome for example. We've heard that one a few times on Crispy's channel alone if I recall correctly.
@@marybdrake1472 Yep. They end up either being main character syndromes or harass other players for roleplaying, if it isn't someone who has multiple problems. I remember none that were just a minmaxer alone.
@@ArcCaravan None that I can recall.
Man that first story. I used to have a friend who's sentences were instanced and he had a loading screen between each of them. Not a big problem but sometimes would interrupt even if you knew him well. He just kinda blew up on everyone at some point and got really bitter about it, rather than try to talk about it. After trying to reach out to him for a while I just kinda gave up.
If you have problems people, then take the conflict of bringing it up before it turns into strife. Conflicts done right is a path of progress, even in relationships.
Pro tip: don't let your dmpc get the final blow against the main bad guy of any encounter, unless it's absolutely necessary. Let them deal with the mobs or soften the main baddie for the PCs to deal the final blow
But that doesnt sell how awesome and cool and badass they are! How else is the dmpc supposed to woo their crush if they aren't a knight in shining armor at all times?
@@BlazingKhioneus are you thinking of that sketch by Jacob (Experience to level 3)?
@@francescogulisano2917 I'm thinking of the story with the fujoshi dm with the dmpc. Or that other story with the wizard dmpc that just kills the guy responcible for OP's character's backstory, expecting them to be indebted to this super cool, awesome wizard instead of feeling hollow at this victory unearned.
if your players do shit during the fight like not stopping attacking one minute and not even wait for the boss to do a attack. is ok to stop the fight using a little npc related to the boss. and after a few minutes let a pissed npc finish the boss?
I like that you started adding mini skits into these videos
That story with the mean paid DM was fuckin wild. How are you gonna charge $20 for a game, only have 2 sessions then drop the group with out explanation or a refund. Honestly it sounded like a scam the DM regularly runs where he takes people's money and then says THEY'RE the problem. when he decides to drop them. I have trouble with cues to and being a roleplayer I don't like long pauses in a conversation it sounds weird and ruins my immersion. but my group understands that and I usually quickly apologize and let them finish. issue avoided.
Hopefully that investigation fixes things for the players.
I just discovered a heretofore unsuspected evil streak in myself...the minute you pointed that out, I thought "Wow, that's a scam _I_ could actually pull off! How hard would that be to set up, I wonder?" Then conscience caught up with me: I started thinking I would have to charge less, and that I should _at least_ give them three or four decent sessions _before_ I bugged out...and this is why I never succeed at dishonest endeavors, I always try to tweak them until they're more honest. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Yeah, the more I think about it the more I'm suspicious of that. Maybe it's just because I'm a nerdy engineer but accidental interruptions and apologies have been a normal part of every group discussion I've ever been in, you don't even think about them, to me it's just part of the normal pattern of human interaction and it's TWICE as frequent in virtual meetings. That's why critical voice communications have to use special patterns and keywords like "over" to avoid that happening!
It just sounds like the "pick me girl" DM was heavily into BL. I'm very close to two people with that interest, and thankfully they're not toxic like this. Just sucks to see jerks like this bringing a bad look to the subculture. It happened in an old CritCrab video, too. :/ The Fjord x Caleb shippers were intense...
I too have a friend who is deeply, deeply into BL. She's kind of obsessive about that - if you let her corner you at a party she'll drown you with her latest yaoi fanfictions. Once I pointed out that the manga she was rewriting was BASED on the love of the main character for the female main, and she said something to the effect of "because he hasn't realized how he truly loves (his nemesis in the manga), and how she is just taking advantage of him." ...I kind of classified it as a lost cause and perfected my "misdirect and run" technique for later meetings. Which is sad because she's nice, fun and pretty when she's not knocking your ears off with yaoi.
I myself am also in the fandom and have unfortunately run into these people. This is 100% a case of a toxic, obsessive, fetishizing member of the fandom. Right down to the bad BL fanfic trope of "weak bottom with tragic backstory gets saved by bland Chad top", bonus points for it being an abusive female family member or a female bully so the bottom has a fear of women...
@@RiveroftheWither Worse yet is when the fanfic amounts to "sex solves everything, and abuse is not abuse if there are feelings in it".
Some time ago, I tried to write "believable yaoi" - basically, the chad top pins the weak bottom to the wall, the bottom says (as they always do) "but senpai, we can't! It's not right!" ...and the top says "... I'm sorry, I don't know what got over me. Wanna go for ice cream?" and they leave and have a nice evening talking and enjoying life.
My friends said it was very nice, but the very moment I posted it online there would be a mob of rabid yaoi fangirls clamoring for my head on a platter because "I ruined everything".
@@alarkhar I'm with your friends, I probably would have liked that story because I hate the extreme toxic tropes.
@@alarkhar - Post it! Some fans might hate it, but I'll bet more than you expect would _love_ the trope subversion, and enjoy a healthy romantic interaction for a change. :)
I heard the "homophobia" story before and I gotta say, her logic is ass backwards. Also, she is only acting this unreasonable when potential straight ship could happen, right down to all the villains being women. That sounds like "heterophobic" behavior to me. She's a damn hypocrite
She seems to be a female misogynist, sticking to idealised/fetishized homosexual relationships.
The stonewalling the two PCs from interacting with eachother would add credibility to this. As that could be a percieved hetero ship.
Its possible the DM would have relented with their bad behavior if OP had hos character hook up with one of the many male NPCs. (Considering all the female NPCs turned out to be evil to some degree.)
Bizarrely enough it's possible some women head so far in the other direction with these narratives they unintentionally become misogynists. I always find it kind of surreal when it happens and usually the people doing it are young teens so this is especially kind of concerning here.
imo the female dm was just jealous op wouldnt do yaoi rp with her but chose to romance a player character instead . she prob also thinks the all female villains is feminist in some backwards way , like " look ! my games have empowered dangerous women ! yes she can ! " but rlly it just enforces stereotypes of femininity \:
And a yaoi fetishist.
this is so sadge. forcing romance regardless of straight or lgbt+ without the other party being okay is wrong.
personally though, since it is pride month, I am hopping for a few good lgbtq+ stories for the month to celebrate it.
We'll have a Tavern Adjacent episode to talk about my personal experience with being queer! I'll also probably do another TTT episode on romance advice, though that one is still in the air.
Yeah hopefully we get some nice wholesome stories where everyone understands consent
@@dr0g_OakbloodI'd be curious how that could happen while still being a horror story.
Just realized you could have meant in Crispy's non-horror content.
@@CrispysTavern Can you please explain what you mean by "queer"? As far as I know, "queer" means odd, different, or unusual, and is often used in British English as such. I can't seem to nail down the definition it's been given by the LGBTQ community, no matter how hard I try.
@@JacobL228It's a homophobic slur, so someone who is gay using it to describe themselves is like a black person using a word with a hard R to refer to themselves, or a south Asian person using something that sounds like it's shorthand for Pakistani, or a person with Downs calling themselves spastic, or if Crispy were to refer to himself as a word that refers to a shrill sound of two pieces of metal hitting each other, a crack so wide visible light shines through it and a weakness of some kind like an Achilles Heel.
It's really weird for people to proudly refer to themselves as these dehumanizing slurs.
Homophobia story: Yea, that DM feels very much like a rabid fanshipper. You know, the sort that the froth at the mouth and turn 1,000% hostile to anyone or anything that challenges their "sHiP" AKA their delusions. In my experiences, their delusions know no bounds because they are ducking nuts and most often exist as a toxic cesspool of a blight upon every fandom they take an interest in.
More like heterophobia. But I have actually met people who act like this in real life. What's weird is that I have also experienced people who tried to force relationships in general. Like they were some matchmaker or something. It was really bizarre and creepy when they had tried to get me and someone I disliked to get together all because of some " enemies to lover" trope mixed with "bully falls in love with their victim." trope. I can still remember me and the guy i disliked looking at her like she was nuts.
@@shannonhill5676 The image of a pair enemies temporarily holds a truce to shockingly stare at some crazy fangirl is hilarious to me.
Oh, yes, the "all drow are evil" thing, again. If you follow official lore, they are not (not all, anyway). If you don't use the official lore, it's good to warn your players, but mostly I hate the all evil camp. The lore is so much more rich and complex than all that.
I would imagine that due to their culture in the lore quite a few Drow are not evil, but doing things to keep themselves from being done to. Now I'm inspired to create a Drow resistance group. Just need a good name.
@@davidtherwhanger6795 The followers of Eilistraee, and the goddess herself, have the goal of redeeming the entire race and returning them to the surface. I probably misspelled her name, but she's also known as the Dark Maiden. Look her up, or read "The Lady Penitent" trilogy by Lisa Smedman for all the lore
I wonder how he'd play an Eberron campaign, where most drow are neutral with good tendencies.
I honestly just strongly dislike the idea of racial alignments in general, I find it weird how strongly some people cling to them.
If it's a matter of cultural influences pulling a people group more in one direction or the other, that's one thing, but a blanket, "all X must be evil," there's just so much that needs to be unpacked with that.
@@johntheherbalistg8756 I know who Eilistraee is. However her goal is to do so non-violently. I think that a bunch of those Drow looking to leave feel they will have to be violent about it. And thus a resistance instead of a movement.
Anyone else developing the headcanon that Crispy has an evil twin who is slowly subsuming his identity and taking over the channel. No, just me? 😅
I heard it was clones.
Sounds like they ran into a fujoshi- I’ve met my share of em and most that I met, (unfortunately) carry 2 very specific and big issues, 1. They ship all the guys FORCEFULLY whether you like it or not. And 2. Hate on all female characters because they are “competition” in their ship fantasy.
So the champagnes I played in with these people in charge always shit on all the girl characters, perved on the boys, and cried homophobia is you did not cater to their ships- regardless of it was against your consent or not.
Also if you committed the sin of being a love rival( in their eyes) even if you’re just a friend (cause friendship doesn’t exist in these dynamics) they tried to kill you off or turn your character into a pariah.
Keep in mind I DONT call people who just like the BL genre, fujoshi -(meaning rotten girl), they specifically have to be this OBSESSED with BL to this toxic degree. i only consider those who will force their kink onto anyone and everyone and ostracize anyone who doesn’t play along with their fantasy- a *true* fujoshi.
Currently, that particular term is being reclaimed in some circles to have a more blanketed meaning, but around the time it first came out, It’s specifically meant the very definition of a “rotten person”. A person turned rotten because of their unhealthy obsession with this particular genre fiction, that they pulled this kind of crap on people.
Exactly, I’ve also noticed a lot fujoshis shit on lesbian relationships and I honestly doubt that a fujoshi dm would let one be in a game. Fetishizing gay relationships is definitely a form of homophobia
Yepp, sounds like the type. The term IS being reclaimed, but now we reached the point where people will frame themself as these good, 'pure' shippers, and hate on 'the freaky fujos' while talking the same shit.
It took so much effort and time just wading through bullshit to block, mute and weed out lesbophobes from any fandom circles i'm in. I have a lot more mlm than wlw ships from media, (because female characters often ARE written real bad) but most of my own characters are sapphics, and seeing 'progressive' folks in fandom trashtalk any girl that dared to breath in the same room as their baby boys is so damn disheartening, and takes away all the confidence I'd need to post my own writing with my girlies.
I swear these people never heard of mlm-wlw solidarity.
The DM in the last story really did say. "I'll need everyone to give me their characters backstories so I can then change/ignore parts of it." :D
never though id see the day a min-maxer was not the bad guy in story , man these stories are evolving from horror to disaster stories at this point
the thing about being ND is we sometimes need to understand the same things different ways so we know we got it. I've had people screw with me, tell me one thing than say another I seriously can't tell if I just heard them wrong or if they're assholes. so I try to make sure.
As a woman (a gay woman) who enjoys MLM media as much as WLW media, my teeth ache from grinding rn. Thats was just so impossibly out of bounds.
Ill admit- in my early days of realizing my own identity, MLM media was easier to enjoy than WLW cause it was a way to explore queerness in a way that didn’t make me think too hard about my own life, relationships, and inner turmoil. I still have a special kind of fondness for it even though I now enjoy all kinds of queer media. Ive played gay men in dnd just as much as Ive played gay women but to force someone else into an identity they don’t want? Thats just really sickening and for what???
The whole vibe just reeks of internalized misogyny- where she thinks that in stories, women aren’t interesting enough characters to be paired off so all the male characters get shipped around.
I get nervous talking to people sometimes, and it's easy enough to talk over me 'cause I have a tendency to let other people talk. So I might not get said what I wanted to say, and then I forget what I wanted to say later on. Communication is hard. Anxiety does not help. I also have adhd, by the way. So I get it.
The dm in the second one is my new least favorite person
Just a Tad Salty - We had a character in one of my Cyberpunk games that was specifically _designed_ to be a person that people wouldn't like much - somewhat of a douchebag, former gang member with a glowing "kill counter" tattoo prominently on one arm - and even *_he_* wasn't played as obnoxiously as the annoying person in this story. In our case, the player trod the line of being annoying enough that there were reasons why the other characters might not like him much and are pretty much "putting up with him" because they had to (he was at least useful) but not being so annoying that it disrupted the games and made them unbearable for other players... kept the dickheadedness down to non-threatening levels - also didn't have "Main Character Syndrome" - he was just one of the people in the group and the player passed up numerous occasions when his character could have quite easily ruined everything by behaving in his typical manner. The player recognised that there were times for "Jake to be Jake" and other times to keep Jake in the background where he can't do any damage and let someone else - who's not likely to start a war - take the lead.
I mean, "setting the sewers on fire" might be the sort of thing he would *suggest* as a plan, but he wouldn't outright *do* something that stupid and would expect the other players to shout it down as the bloody stupid idea it is and then go with the far better plan someone else came up with.
You can play an "unlikeable" character or a misfit without going all out and pissing off the entire party to the point that no one wants your character around.
Wait I didn't even realize that the second story was an online game. That just makes it even worse. I'm currently in a Curse of Strahd campaign, me and the alchemist keep accidentally talking at the same time as eachother, I accidentally interrupted people once or twice, the other player was pretty quiet, and the dm has a bit of a stutter. And you know what, it's my favorite campaign I've been in so far. The people are good, the characters are fun, so what if we have some miscommunications?
YES, I am autistic and have ADHD and so so often I accidentally start speaking when I think there are pauses and there are not in my Dnd games and just generally in life and I always feel awful for it.
Huh...the rare D&D fujoshi. Normally harmless but can be a real pain in the ass if left unchecked.
Hey Crispy, I have been listening to your videos basically nonstop recently while working. I have just realized sometimes my inner monologues happen in your voice lol. Thanks for the amazing content!
Gonna be honest Crispy, Eilistraee is my favorite Goddess (best Goddess), and even I'm not sure how to pronounce her name.
From just a glance, it looks like it'd be "Ail-iss-tray-uh" or something to that effect.
@@ethanrose9682 - I would probably have gone with "Aye-lih-STRAY-ee," if I had to pronounce it in the wild.
@@ShinyAvalon I personally would have gone with ei read like in "eight" instead of the ei in "Eins"
@@clarehidalgo - My brain went to names like "Eileen" and "Eisenhower" for examples. "Eight" has that pesky "gh" that does so many weird things to pronunciation, lol.
according to the Wiki, it should go "EYEL-iss-TRY-ee" which makes sense, it is an elvish name. that said, however you can spit it out so your DM knows what you're referring too should be good enough, any DM that would actually hold pronunciation against you deserves to have a thassorus planted in their face at 90 MPH
Regarding Eilistraee, don't worry too much about how to pronounce the names of gods or nations or anything in the forgotten realms setting. As Ed Greenwood likes to say "There's probably somebody in the realms that pronounces it that way"
Story 3, as a horror story was like:
"Stop, stop, the game's already dead..." half way through. OMFG
"Good" characters don't have to be warm, or friendly, or even pleasant. And they can do "Bad" things. But, at their core, a good character cares about the wellbeing of people around them. They're empathetic and benevolent.
A good character might sacrifice a dozen people to save a hundred or torture a villain for information that might save a whole village, but it will hurt them. They will be tortured inside by the suffering and death they inflict because beneath the hardness they have accrued to survive in a harsh world, they are motivated by a pure and indestructible empathy that can be buried, but never lost. A good character can do bad things for good reasons, but they will carry that weight with them.
An easy way to show that your edgy "Good" character who just tortured a bandit is still "Good" might be for them to gruffly say that they're heading off and not to follow... And then a player follows and eavesdrops, and sees the edgy player crying. Just quietly crying, while staring at the knife they used for the torture. But then they dry their eyes, wash their blade, and come back to camp with their usual cold, edgy, brooding demeanour.
Lol, I love how you're, "I'm a salty bitch. Don't be like me." Honestly, more people should be like that. The bad ones won't learn if people keep forgiving them. I hold grudges.
From what I played of Neverwinter Nights' expansion, Hordes of the Underdark, back in the day, followers of Eilistraee, are portrayed as generally nuetral/good aligned, usually fairly pacifistic. They really don't fight unless they're forced to. That makes the change the DM made not make any sense to me. We know not all drow are evil, and it's weird to make the assumption that Eilistraee's devoted would be.
Being interrupted over Discord: Ah yes, surely there is absolutely no explanation for this other than deliberate malice. No such thing as *LAG* in voice chat, for example. Or alternately just missing certain cues you would only have if you were able to literally see the person. Not to mention the autism+ADHD combo which is, like, a double whammy of *trouble recognizing social cues in the first place.*
...I mean, I feel like not getting to finish sentences is such an *exceptionally* commonplace occurrence that if I were to cut everyone who did it out of my life, I would be left with roughly five people to talk to. So there is also that. (I mean there are some people whom I have just stopped interacting with because they just never let me finish a thought.)
That MLM DM made my blood boil without even being there. Gay or not I FUCKING HATE when someone forces dramatic romantic relationships, especially WHEN THE OTHER PERSON DOES NOT CARE
If the other players (with the permission of the DM as well) SA my character while I went out to get water, I would not play with them anymore
This also makes me wonder if DM told them what was in the character's pants, and if they did, how the hell did they know?
4:04 no wonder, impaired ability to detect conversational turns is one of the main autism symptoms that cause communication problems, and playing online makes such things so much harder
Omg for the homophobia story…deffo sounds like an MLM fetishist, and on top of that…like, babe, playing a silly, lighthearted, one sided crush can be SUPER fun! That said tho, speaking as a queer woman, it would take A LOT to get me to even consider doing that much, let alone actually fully trying to play a queer romance, with a straight person LOL
And if you’re Jonesin’ for nothing but queer stuff, all you gotta do is roll with people who want that too - TRUST ME, it’s not difficult in the TTRPG scene LOL
Tbh I understand being interrupted can be annoying but when I’m at a hobby and talking/bonding and we’re both really into it it’s kinda fun because it means we’re both invested and respect one another’s time
The minute that DM one shots my character in favor of their DMPC I’d leave the table!
Happy Pride Month!
Eilistraee (Pronounced Ay-List-Rah-Yee) is the naked, tree hugging, nature-dwelling, peace-and-loving, hippy daughter of The Lolth (Spider goddess of dark elves) and Corellon Larethian (The god of surface-dwelling elves). Her whole thing is getting dark elves to bond with the surface-dwellers. She was created because so many people wanted to play good dark elves. So dark elves can absolutely be good. Did that DM ever hear of Drizzt Do'Urden or Liriel Baenre?
I feel for OP in the Eberron story. Being on the spectrum and having ADHD has been, well, hell on gaming time. I wish the player had as understanding fellow players as I did (mostly). #HappyPrideMonth
There’s only 2 ways to have a good DMPC: either it is equally as strong as the party and the DM has incredible integrity. Or the DMPC can be stronger than the party, but only act as support for a party without a healer and is just slinging heal spells and guidances
I cannot tell you how long it took me to realize that the "they and their" pants in the intro story was OP and not the druid and warlock/sorcerer looking down their own pants
Man, that 3rd and last DM in those stories. Just...goddamn.
Hang on-she had a whole heroic theme ready for her DMPC? That's kind of hilarious! XD
Cis women who fetishes gay relationships feel actually very, very real (and frighten me).
28:11 - screw self control, this is an occasion when you just tell the arsehole to "flip off".
25:58 I think, if I were the GM there, I would have said that the druid recognized something zombie!dad was wearing, or a prominent visible scar. Also, I probably would have had it be the result of a check. It's not great, but if them recognizing the parent is important for some reason, it's better than just "you remember his face now".
5:39 I'm pretty sure I hear a voice in the background saying something about "Amontillado"
Hey Crispy, happy pride!
7:50 “Who hasn’t been talked over on discord”
There is literally a option where you can set users as lead speakers, where their mic trumps everyone else’s.
I think Eilistraee is like Ehee-li-stray-ee but when I'm talking to myself I call her Ashley
Happy Pride Month!
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I love how the real villain in story two is the DM PC lol.
Doomed Game
Considering how he acted to the two female players, I think the DM had some serious issues and hashed it out on them. Good on Op and Cleric for leaving
Story 1; Sounds like the DM just doesn't like neurodivergent people
The DM that tried to force the guy on guy romance sounds a lot like one of those fujoshis that only read yaoi but are homophobic towards lesbians
7:00 take your adhd meds if even your friends are noticing you talk over people and interrupt. Its a common adhd symptom. One i have as well. I don't do it on meds. Self-awareness is also one component of avoiding horror stories !
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I have rules when I need to introduce a DMPC. (1) They are temporary... very temporary. (2) They gain xp SLOWER than the rest of the party, usually ensuring they eventually start to get out-paced by the party and will have to step away or else slowly start hindering the group, which the DMPC themselves will notice is happening and try to help the party by leaving when safe to do so - this also helps slowly put more of the work onto the PCs themselves, slowly phasing the DMPC's contributions out. (3) Unless there is a REALLY good reason to, the DMPC will never give the last hit on a final or major enemy in a fight. One of the minions, sure. The encounter's big bad. Nope. The enemy will ALWAYS just happen to have a few more extra hps than what was needed. (4) The backstory of the DMPC only comes up as a bit of flavor IF a PC inquires about it. But as far as the overall campaign is concerned, their backstory is really not relevant. (5) The DMPC is expendable as f***. If things turn sour for the group as the dice suddenly thinks they are being rolled by Wil Wheaton, yeah I might have the DMPC to come in and save the day,... and that will result in the DMPC's death. Saves the group, gives them a mulligan, but it's at a cost of an ally that is not getting replaced.... at least that is my intent.
That said, this has still bit me. At the end of one climatic fight, my DMPC was killed (oddly enough right before I could have her get "accidentally" separated from the group, as a variation on #2 up above). At first I thought "well, that's one way to get rid of her". Unfortunately, the group liked her enough that she had "gentle repose" cast on her. (PF1e game btw.) And she was stuffed into a party member's bag of holding. Over a year later, out of game, goes by, and the party eventually spends the money on the diamond to rez her after the cleric gets strong enough to cast the spell. So now I have a character who is WAY under-leveled for the current encounters, has a negative level for another in-game week, and with the group off in the middle of nowhere. I'm not sure how to get her to want to leave, since she'd be doing it in too dangerous a location.
I find it humorous that my problem is coming from the fact that I have a DMPC that is too well liked by the group and now I can't get rid of her.
Is there such a thing as a self-inflicted horror story?
Happy Pride month dear
Its been one minute genuinely sent me, goddamn
I'm starting to wonder if this is the real Crispy... Your clones keep trying to kill you! Do you need help?
HAPPY PRIDE MONTH!
Y'know, it's weird that in almost every story, the first session goes either good or just fine
"we check what's in the Tabaxi's pants"
"PAIN"
Also
I haven't been talked over on discord (as I only use text)
I don't think either party member is knowledgeable enough about Tabaxi anatomy to learn anything from no pants
Had to pause the homophobic story multiple times cause it was too painful to sit through in one sitting. No idea how the players managed to do it
Definitely happy pride month to all!
i like to imagine in the NB story that the characters who “checked” for genitals, which id count as harassment, found nothing. like “whats in your pants? doom!” thing
yeah that would have been funny
I would've gone for censor pixels, but I like "DOOM!"
Sorcerer NPC merchant with a sadistic sense of humor "the moment they pants the character, I use Subtle Spell to cast Evard's Black Tentacles in such a way they appear to be the tabaxi's anatomy."
I can actually see a super edgem stand offish character working, not by my hand, but with someone who can ride the balance of them brooding in the corner when not actively pursuing a mission. Like, when every stops by a tavern to celebrate a job well done, they just have a meal then wait by the door for everyone else to "stop wasting time" and have their barriers slowly worn down as they are around this ragtag group of people who dont let their pasts define them. Like, maybe even having a running gag where they always sit down next to someone at the bar when theyre celebrating (after some goading to join the festivities), ordering a drink, and soon as theyre welcomed to the party, they shoot it down... until they don't. Maybe even a time when the other psrty member just gives them space, they get kinda confused that this interaction went off script and asks if they were going to try to say something to them.
Gosh, i wish i had the experience to even think of running this character, but thatll take a while still, but maybe one day.
Happy pride month!! 😮
Happy pride month!
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15:25 this is where you need to just get up from the table and leave. Don't waste your time.
The talking over people thing is stupid I've been playing with friends for nearly 3 years and we're constantly shouting over each other our main DM has ADHD and he's the loudest of all of us 😂
Regardless of sexual preference, if you don't want to roleplay or participate in a romantic encounter--no matter who is in it--you do not need to do it nor should it be forced on you.
"dRoW aRe SuPpOsEd To Be EvIl"
Drizzt Do'Urden didn't flee the Underdark for this shit