Jonas Vingegaard SHOCKS Tadej Pogacar on Col de Pertus | Tour de France 2024 Stage 11
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- Lanterne Rouge presents highlights of Stage 11 of the Tour de France 2024.
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2 superstars, who both won the TDF twice in the last 4 years, sprinting for that victory after a brutal 5h stage with 4350 altitude meters… This is why the Tour is the biggest cycling race out there. Just speechless.
Shows how not-human these guys are. Their fitness levels are off the charts, charts. They looked beyond gassed. Every stroke of the pedal looked like agony.
@@Real28 I've never seen Pogacar sit down and get up 3 times during a sprint.
Ya they both doping the same stuff its even playing field
it’s the biggest single sport event, not just cycling
@@ion2763 If you think they are doping just because they are the best, then why watch the sport? You would always think the winner is doped then
Great stage. Fantastic. I love how unpredictable this stage was. Every journalist predicted a breakaway win and we get this. Everyone would’ve predicted Pogi winning the sprint, and we get this. Everyone has said Jonas is a bit robotic and we get this incredible interview where he cries and talks about family and his comeback. Bravo to all the riders!
When we talk about the robotic side of Jonas, we always always talk about his riding. I do not like the cyclist and competitor Jonas, but the person, the human being Jonas, I have nothing against.
This is important to understand. There must be a clear distinction between racing and personal stuff.
Only angry fans of Roglic, Pogacar, Evenepoel etc. have called Vingegaard "robotic". They're trying to cope with their favorite rider losing. Vingegaard is one of the most exciting riders in the world, have been for years.
@@tonyg3091 the rider who explodes the long climb stages? How do you not like that?
@@tonyg3091what did you see that was robotic today? Was it the way he took time back from tadej, inch by inch?
@@tonyg3091you a bot bro?
One of the best stages i’ve seen. A rivalry that will go down in history 😮💨
Agree: Rogla and fight against urge to crash is biblical.
😂😂😂@@feedbackzaloop
@@feedbackzaloop Poggy was also pretty close but "speedway'd" saved it.
He is such a beast on saves as well, remember that bollard he nearly smackdaddied into as well?
Might already be the greatest rivalry ever.
The only rival is hinault, Lemond imo but that’s more because of the infighting drama.
Fignon/lemond? Didn’t last for long.
Armstrong/Ullrich? Ullrich only truly threatened him 1 year and never beat him.
Anquetil/Poulidor? Poulidor never beat him.
Schleck/Contador?
Schleck never won the tour.. we’ll.. he did on paper…
@@telmoliciousTbf pogi never truly beat jonas at the tour yet either
We should be happy that Vingegaard came to this event when EVERYBODY had called him off.
Without him Pogacar would've walked over Le TDF finish line with his bike on his back, smiling.
We owe Vingegaard praise and honor for the true competitive atmosphere he presented. Thanks Anchovy!
To his credit Pog did not want a walkover win with no Jonas in the race - to him his only real rival is Jonas (and an in form Roglic but he is missing) and Pog wants to win the TDF against a fit Jonas
@@epincioni think that the best Roglic can achieve by now. He is now getting old
Jonas has an indomitable spirit, the man will push himself further than anyone, including Pogba.
i'm seeing similarities between Vingegaard and Djokovic (tennis) those days. very hated, but they're the best and humble, coming back from inuries and still winning
Anchovy 😂😅
Absolute banger today! The result was certainly not to be expected, Pogi probably wont sleep well tonight, that's not how he imagined it. The fact that Vingegaard can win here in the sprint after having to fight his way back up is extremely impressive. And a nice answer to Remco's "no balls" comment ;)
I'm just grateful to have such a great duel again.
Well put 💪
I wanted Vingegaard to say that “Remco’s balls are so big he struggles to drag them up the mountain”. 😂
@@ulrikpedersen2809 yeah but that would be a straight lie 😂
This result confirms my thoughts that it is - and has been all along - that it is actually Pogacar who fears Vingegaard. He can’t bluff anymore after today.
Here,here
We are so lucky to be experiencing this historic rivalry!!
vingegaard doing a "poggy" climb 30 sec faster is scaaary, also knowing he will eventually get better and better, and on top of that, when we enters his terrain, Shiiit.
jonas can dig so deep it's insane. you think you've cracked him like we've seen pogi crack but he just keeps trucking
Jonas can go so deep it looks like he'd rather die than give up
He’s down a min, but I never count him out. Still a lot of tour left. All it takes is one crack on the mountain and he will be right in it.
@@asiantrick24 If he rides the last TT as he did last years TT, he will literally take two minutes on Pogacar just there. Anything can happen, and today JV looked stronger. And when you take into consideration that Pogacar might fade due to the Giro, JV is the heavy favourite.
@@GardEngebretsenI agree with you there
@@GardEngebretsen Yeah definetely, being one minute down into 3rd week is nothing. based on the last 2 years that means vingegaard victory by far. Im not sure thats this year though after all that happend. So its all possible this time.
This tour just keeps getting better, I love how these two just keep pressing each other to the max! I can’t wait for the alps, go Jonas!🇩🇰🇩🇰
I would look more forward for saturday and sunday…. Than the alps
@@lester8403 That also, can´t wait:)
Wow what a stage, best stage of the tour so far! That Jonas performance gave me goosebumps
What a sprint from JV. Lot of heart.
We are so blessed, the last few years to watch these great cyclists, I don't think there is much between them, whether you like one or the other, I personally like them both they are incredible athletic beasts.
One of the best races I've seen in a long while! 4 Amazing athletes battling it out, 2 superstars who simply don't disappoint, they're so freaking equal at the moment and I think we'll be seeing more of this, can't wait for the epilogue!
Idk how widely it's been reported outside of Denmark, but in the danish interview, Jonas said that he thought he was going to die in that crash 3 months ago. Wild that he managed to not only come back, but then also win the sprint.
With just a little help . The officials look away.
What a rivalry this is!!!!! Can’t help but cry after that Jonas’s interview.
Man what a stage, i don't really have a favorite but man what a ride from Vingegaard. i was screaming at the tv during that sprint for Vingegaard and he got the well deserved stage win, the fact he didn't had the best prep and that crash earlier this year. he deserved it and even though it only resulted in a 1sec difference in favor of vingegaard wich is still over a minute behind. That had to be a hugh blow to Pogi's moral.
There was doubt in the beginning off the tour if we would have the rivalry from past years. Today we got our answer and i'm all for it. The weekend can't be here quick enough.
🤣🤣🤣weekend was van mij!
Besides everything you said, pogi morals was unfazed.
Absolutely heroic ride by Vingegaard. I wanted to cry with him in his post race interview.
lol thats pathetic :D
@@nejcb You're pathetic.
@@nejcb Real men cry at victory over adversity.
Can the cycling gods just agree that Roglic has had his crash now and he doesn't need any more this tour, please?!?!
Yess
You jinxed Roglic man :(
Spoke too soon
You cursed him you absolute scumbag!
@@henriknilsson7730 I know ☹️
I absolutely love Vingegaard. What a guy.
What a stage! Beyond words and chapeaux to all riders on a killer day. An intense battle right to the line. Great commentary as usual!!
This really was one hell of a stage💯💥
Absolutely love rivalries like this. Both riders make each other so much better. The sprint finish on a stage like this is absurd. Props to both and congratulations to Jonas
Just crazy how good they both are! Awesome stage. And also great ride from Remco
6:48 - I was there at this big highway! I was standing in the distance on the right (I was wearing a bright yellow Australia cricket jersey).
They flew past! It was awesome seeing them up close!
I joined a tour group (Bikestyle) and we do some riding to intersect the stages - I can now understand why Europeans are so strong and why other continent's riders go there to train - the gradients are easily 10 percent (and much steeper) anywhere you go. At one point in our ride today, there was a little country road that we were descending and there were 3 riders riding up and I swear they were riding up faster than I was descending!
If that's the case you need to let go of the brakes😁
Yeah they go like 15-25km/h up the mountains. Considering the distances they do it's almost unbelievable.
There is a GCN video where Hank tries to go up a mountain in the same speed as the slowest person (who wasn't disqualified) and he was like 1km/h too slow. It's insane.
Best stage since granon 2 years ago absolutely crazy performance by Jonas
I thought Pogi was going to walk away with it for a bit then the rear lock-up skipped the heart. Anchovy also with a bike slip then with a great second effort. Just an amazing watts /kilo. Chapeau Jonas
What an incredible edition of The Tour this is - and we are only halfway!
Yes! Been waiting patiently for this. Day complete
I actually think I know why Vingegaard look back. Look at the situation a few times. He is looking at Yates because when pogi attacked, Yates job was done, and he swung out to the right, but in doing so he got in the way of Vingegaard's response, making him have to curve around Yates.
I am not certain of this, but it looks like he was annoyed with Yates for a moment, because of it. And honestly I would have been too x3
Does anyone agree with me? Or am I misreading the situation? 3:50
Spot on.
I agree
Impressive win by Vingegaard! …and unbelievable how Pogacar did avoid a crash when his back wheel slided in that corner 😳
legendary rivalry, this is Tour history in the making
Class act from Pogi congratulating Jonas after the stage👌... after a little "damn-that-was-close-jonas-you-got-me" head twist 🫨😅
Today, cycling rivalry is much more civilized than it used to be. There is more mutual respect for each other's achievements.
What a Blockbuster this is.
What jonas is doing is absolutely insane. Pogi keeps entertaining everybody, his mindset is all about attack and attack some more. Thank god for that.
Solid stage for roglic and evenepoel as well.
What a magic tour we have
JONAS!!! UNKILLABLE!!! HEART OF A CHAMPION!!!
BALLS OF A CHAMPION TOO
“When he starts cooking you know he has aura” wise words
Its crazy how underrated that comeback was taking over 30 seconds on pogacar on that last short climb
Thanks TdF. What a treat.
POGI increased his lead over 2nd place, Jonas won a stage after a bad crash. bring the mountains, cheers
Roglic has continued his history of ALWAYS CRASHING!
The Roglic paradox
Reck-it Roglic , not race until there is blood.
Crashlic
These downhill finishes are a disgrace tbh. Especially with wet roads like these.
Maybe he's got his crash out of the way for this tour and won't need to do it again. Fingers crossed...
Love to see this race is so finely poised as we enter the weekend! Pace was insane today. A little surprised to see Roglic get the same time as Remco but I suppose it's the 3k rule
Roglic&Jonas working together is a recipe for disaster for Pogacar!😅
It is
@@TriRaMYNasara-xw3tp for a moment there Roglic forgot they are not teammates anymore 🎉
I reckon they won’t work together again after today’s stage. It made sense yesterday, they needed each other to limit the damage. But now Rogla’s so far back. He has to focus on the podium which means dealing with Remco.
@@davidstefano2709 it’s still a long race. I reckon Pogacar or either Remco would have a bad day at the later stages.
I heard the guys on Eurosport talking about the Lantern Rouge podcast during the stage!
Incredible work gentlemen...Incredible! 👏👏👏
Jonas should deliver a box of Aebleskiver to the Soudal Quickstep team bus "enjoy these Danish balls!"
I laughed way to hard at that picture 😂
Well actually taste good 😂
@@transparent6748 bro i eat 10 kilos of æbleskiver every winter
What an effort from Jonas! He's a true warrior
Jonas pulled monster watts, it's plausible that Pogi was brought back, but by the look of the final sprint (and the bonus sprint before) it seemed Pogi was bonking. UAE didn't admin any fueling mistake in the interviews, but they seemed confused - maybe panicking a little bit?
anyone would bonk with or without sustenance on a long aggressively sustained climb
@@sleepdeprived9181The body can burn only so much carbs, if you fuel sufficiently you simply don't bonk no matter how hard you go. What will stop you is the lactate, but by seeing Pog eating half a kilo of sweets after the finish and even on the podium like a 6-year old kid, Pog clearly fucked up his fuelling strategy. Again.
I mean if you look at the time remco put in he also gained time on pogi in the last one.
@@Ser_KennyThat's almost literally completely the other way around, I'm afraid. The expenditure of carbohydrates exceeds the rate of absorption. Even assuming 150 g of carbs per hour only results in 600 kcal of carbs ingestion. In the meanwhile these guys can push 420 watts as FTP, and at that intensity very little fat is used. And 400 watts per hour is about 1600 kcal per hour, so yes a lot of carbs still have to present endogenously and bonking will occur if the event lasts long enough. Also, lactic acid is the saviour of endurance athletes, not the enemy despite of it being a common myth.
You don't have to take my word for it, I'm just a registered dietitian and MSc in Human Movement Sciences, specialization Sports and Nutrition, but the scientific literature is clear on the matter. Lactic acid is your friend 😉
@@Ser_Kenny It's also not the first day that Pogi is on the podium chewing food. It would be really interesting if one day they manage to publish a report by a professional of what happened at a physiological level. One off human bodies, well trained and put it at the limit
Literally checked your channel 5 seconds ago and here it is!
haha I feel you! I was waiting for this video so badly 🤣
I was checking it every 5 minutes for the last two hours !!!1
Adam Yates has been an absolute demon striking fear into GC Leaders hearts these last 2 years, but I think Sepp Kuss still holds that title. Man consistently would drop everyone except the absolute favorites the last couple years. He’s sorely missed at this Tour. I hope his recovery is going well and he can attempt a defense of his Vuelta title.
Sepp winning the Vuelta again is about 0 procent. Jonas gifted it to him last year, that´s not going to happen again.
@@brugttoiletpapir Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Have some fun! Get behind a favorite cyclist that isn’t Jonas or Pogi or Wout or MVDP to win something. The highs of seeing your favorite ride win when you least expect it brings great joy.
Damn! Bravo Jonas! Very impressive indeed.
Imagine going from thinking you'll die to puling this off in TdF in just 3 months. JV is such a beast.
For me that was the best day of racing yet, for vingegaard to win the stage after pogacar done all the work was awesome,
Stage 20 too. Seeing pogi won after Jonas done all the work was awesome 🤣🤣🤣. What goes around come around.
This tour is looking like a arm wrestling and today might have been the day Vingegard managed to contain Pogi. The Dane has been pretty cool about his losses making them looking like they are within Visma's plan. Let's see if Jonas gave it everything today or we're about to witness a historical comeback
LR Your channel is brilliant.
Vingegaard unstoppable today
Hot take - Jates podiums this tour if he wasn't on Pogacar's team. The man is undoubtably the 3rd best climber in the race.
Yates
Roglic better
@@5508Vanderdekken Lol
Quite hot, top 4 seem too strong
What an amazing stage. Glad Primož got 30sec credit. Not sure if Tadej had to attack in all these stages due to fatigue piling up and some major mountains coming but his style is perfect for TV.
He think Jonas is better in the high mountains so pogacar feels he has no choice but to attack on all these other stages to try to get the win. If hw just sits back then Tadej would now be like 10 secs ahead only and he doesn't think that would be enough. So he is forced to attack.
Great stage! Big attack and response by Jonas. “Ballsy” ride by Jonas and Tadej!
Makes no sense to me, that UAE makes a stage extra hard, after Visma cracked Tadeji last year by making it extra hard and Jonas said the last days in an interview that it suits him when stages are ridden extra hard.
What’s there to get? uae don’t have the strategy
Pogi should stop trying to extend the gap and try to survive the mountains. Visma doesnt have the climbers to make it super hard for Vinge and drop Pogacar. I dont think Jorgenson could even drop Yates, Almeida or Ayuso, he hasnt looked spectacular.
@@Local_idiot-u8h I think we all can see that this would be the move, take maybe a bit of time on Evenepoel, but dont challenge Vingegaard but Pogi great flaw is his race IQ... He just wants to go full speed at all times for 3 weeks, and honestly if he had any other opponent than vingegaard it would work, but clearly it doesnt here.
So you re saying uae should do it extra easy?
@@Pawskmaybe they also wanted to see how everybody else was feeling. They are the only team that can control in the mountains. See where the teammates of Remco, Roglic and JV are. Can they react? Are they feeling good? I thonk its good to know for 14/15
When Jonas looked sideways at 4:00, it's because Yates nearly knocked him over, while pulling off.
Yeah he did the classic leadout man pull off and putting himself as much in the way as possible. Not sure if it was intended, but it sure was effective.
포기가 스프린트를 시작한 것과 동시에 예이츠가 페달을 늦추었어요. 의도적인 방해입니다.
@DKSprocket definitely doesn't seem intentional, just rough timing.
@scottaaron382 it is intentional. Its what ang good leadout man does. Become an obstacle
Roglic flying so fast I thought he ski jumping down the slope!!
The shot of him passing the Moto camera was so cool!
Good summary M. Rouge.
Merci. 👍🏻
This man has aura🔥🔥
Go Vinge-balls!!!
😂😂😂😂
2,500 views in the first 10 minutes. LR is cooking right now 🔥
how about 150k in 12 hours ?
@@deltabravo5712270k in 13h 🔥
I think UAE in hindsight probably realise that they should have got Majka instead of Ayuso as their domestique. He would have not only stuck with Pog on these climbs, but also been a calming influence.
Your summaries are absolute gold.
Imagine what would have happened if the climb was like 100 meters longer…
Jonas gets the wheel, descends with Pogi, and maybe takes big time today
Massif Central is an area easily overlooked. Great to see the Tour using the Puy Mary over the past few years. The climbs are shorter than Alps or Pyrenees but tough - especially that side of the Puy Mary. The Col de Pertus is short but punishing and the descents are narrow and technical. Brilliant to see the stage raced in this way.
Stage 14 on Sat Jul 13 has two HC climbs. It’s Vingegaard’s one and only chance to catch Tadej. He has to drop him on the second HC climb, or this TDF is over. Go Jonas !!
Brilliant analysis 🎉
It is just incredible. We’re in the middle of one of the greatest rivalries in cycling history between two absolute gentlemen. Excellent competition, Jonas really shut up Remco’s silly complaints from the other day.
You could see Pog was tiring and Vingegard seemed to be getting stronger. UAE have lit up the first 1/3 of the tour to try and eliminate the other 3. The gaps are still pretty small considering the amount of climbing they’ve done. I fear for Pog when they hit the big mountains as Vingergard seems to be improving by the day and Pog whilst better than 99% of the peloton, has shown a tiny crack today. It may be a one off. Whatever happens this tdf has been outstanding.
Jonas never cracks, he'll lose time but only a few seconds here or there. The fear is that if Pogi cracks, he'll lose minutes.
@@suziederkins3310 🤣🤣🤣 besides this TDF he never crack but he lost minutes and not seconds as you expected.
I have so much sympathy for both riders.
Lanterne Rouge, When Tadej attacked, Jonas tried to follow immediately but had to move further right because UAE Adam Yates moved to the right blocking (may be inadvertently) Vingegaard's path. That is what, I think, Vingegaard was looking it. What do you all think?
Yep, Jonas had to go the long way around which created the gap
No, he has done that many times.
He simply could not follow, and that is also his own explanation after the stage.
He looked back to see how others reacted.
wonderful stage!
Pogacar said that he feared Evenepoel more than Vingegaard. Not very good judgement.
He knows what he can expect from Vingegaard. Evenepoel is more of an unknow for him. Also evenepoel is better at TT's and is willing to take more risks than vingegaard which can catch pogi off guard.
@@SamDePrez is evenepoel better at mountain TTs like the stage 21? Remember last year?
@@SamDePrez Where can Remco catch Pogi off guard? In the next hard mountain stages?
Pogacar attacked too early
So he was tired
While Vingegard had some help in terms of Roglic
Amazing race
Pogacar needs to put pressure on Vingegaard and let him pull when they are in front together.
These pulls at the end made no sense and were counterproductive in every way.
Pogi would have won this one if it wasn't for these pulls on the last false flat.
When you want to act like you are stronger you get beaten in the end.
strong mental from vingegaard
thanks LR, probably the best commentary there is.
What a stage.
Saya suka vingegaard. Seorang juara yang rendah hati. Sulit mencari kombinasi seperti itu.
OK, as big a Tadej fanboy as I am, I now think Vingo has it in the bag. If only Tadej would race as strategically as him!
I mean, what a stage; I was shouting at the TV when Pog attacked. Jonas did his classic pacing to bring it back then Pogi smashed the descent. Jonas looked like he went deep to bridge the gap on the penultimate climb while Pogi seemed to crack. In many ways, Pog is lucky that Jonas only won the stage as I think there was a chance he could have lost a lot of time today. My overall feeling is UAE need to let the race come to them rather than going on the attack. Consolidate the lead, let Visma do the work and wait for the right time to go. Of course, easy to say that as an armchair fan with hindsight 😀
Tadej wants to gain as much time as possible before approaching the stages with long climbs. He knew that Jonas could drop and gain a lot of time on him.
So on Pertus
Vingegaard did 12:00 (7.25 ᵉW/Kg)
Pogačar did 12:30 (6.93 ᵉW/Kg)
Evenepoel and Roglič did 12:48 (6.65 - 6.67 ᵉW/Kg)
Landa and Kelderman did 13:06 (6.48 ᵉW/Kg)
Gall did 13:08 (6.50 ᵉW/Kg)
Rodriguez with the two UAEs (Yates and Almeida) did 13:30 (6.22 ᵉW/Kg).
This is such an outlier that if I'm Pogačar I'd almost suspect mechanical doping like a ~25w engine would do, no wonder he was speechless Vingegaard caught up so fast after the race.
But 2 superstars, great stage, fantastic rivalry.
I've noticed people talking of unassailable leads... Didn't Jonas take 6 mins on Pogi in a single stage last year?
Ten+ minutes is unassailable. Everything else is still game on, and we haven't even gotten to Jonas's terrain yet
In the last ITT you can get a minute. That is just full on climbing and descending way harder than the last one. But that will suit Pogi. But there are still 4 high mountains left and pogi didn’t look fresh in the end. Will be interesting who has the legs in a week 3
@@Infiltator2Yeah right.
It will suit Pogi as well as the ITT of last year
Last year on stage 17, JV took 5:48 (+ 2'' bonus) on TP
@Infiltator2 3rd week itt with a climb. JV territory everyday of the year. JV is a third week specialist due to his insane VO2 and recovery abilities
Poggy sat on the sprint. Fatigue is kicking in
Wauw. Vingegaard ❤
Pogacar cannot dig as deep or maintain the same pace for as long as Jonas can. When Pogi goes empty, he's dropped for good. That is a MAJOR disadvantage in the high mountains like the four upcoming stages.
but he has an insane team he could and should use to his advantage. so exited about the upcoming stages!
True. Visma doesnt have the team this year to make it hard for him in the mountains so i think pogi will do pretty well@@doppelpunkt
We‘re so back
Jonas cleverly lets Pogačar power himself out.
predictably
Jonas beating prime Pog in a sprint, unbelievable!
Poggy was dead after Vinny chased him up the mountain! Masterpiece!
Attacked too early and underestimated Jonas
Broe here asking the really important questions, what does life means? 😂
Time does not exist.
Vingegaard trailing Pog when he grabs a bidon is that killer winner instict
The 3 k rule was put into use because the last descent was wet.
This rule has change for next year. If a rider crash without anyone's fault they won't benefit from the 3k rule.
Excelente video 👏🏼
Great analysis !!!!
@0:30 What is the thing that Pogacar is holding up in his hand there with the play pause button? It's not a bike computer or a phone nor a camera?
The Tadej Pogacar fan boys at Flemish Sporza tv always talk about Tadej having a problem with not eating or drinking enough or having a heat stroke when somebody beats him or matches him. Will be interesting to see how they react when the one doing it is Remco.
Thank you Jonas
When Roglic and Evenepoel were chasing, are they conferring about strategy to try to close the gap? Are they racing each other or mostly trying to coordinate to make up time?
Coordinating to make up time.