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Dr. Kenneth Collins on the center of John Wesley's theology-holiness and grace.
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Dr. Collins' class on the Theology of John Wesley changed my life.
Only God Changes lives!
@@1693108 And yet, God uses means, even a class on John Wesley, to change lives. So #stopit.
And mine! 👍 🙏
Great video brother. I love John Wesley and I can't wait to meet him in glory. His words confirmed my salvation to me and now i know for certain that I, yes even I, have been reconciled to God BY THE DEATH OF HIS SON. And that Jesus LOVED me and gave himself for me, and BECAUSE he did that, I now have the free gift of everlasting life. It's through my belief that it's true that the gift is now in my possession...... Blessings my brother.
Checking out the history of reformers is really interesting.
Wesley wasn’t a reformer
It amazing to me that you explain him without talk about the baptism of the holy ghost.
To gain a further understanding on Wesley's role in Pentecostal theology, see Henry Knights writings called "From Aldersgate to Azusa" A must read for students.
A couple thoughts, professor.
Firstly, in response to the "tension" you say exists within the two halves of holy Love:
Best explained by one if the four quads, experience.
I claim to have instantaneously received the fully ripened Fruit of Agape'/Holy Love. It was given as a result of me externally and internally juxtaposing what I considered was my previous walking in Love, against a 4-page delineation of Love as summarised in 1Cor.13's definition--along with my failure to internally love a personal enemy. God followed that revelatory experience/trial/pruning (Jn.15) with conviction, godly sorrow & remorse, repentance, deliverance, and then it replaced with Holy Love. That resulted in what you explained was the outward working of Love towards the world (though Wesley was amiss in how that plays out, making me suspect he knew of it from the experiences of followers but hadn't experienced it himself??).
The outward manifestation of the other half of Holy Love as you defined it, what was directed towards God, came 10 years later. It necessitated being preceded by my heart being, also instantaneously, delivered from my love of the world. Only in retrospect years later did I understand how the Kingdom principle of a mortal unable to love both God and money (i.e. our access to the things of the world), resulted in that decade long lapse between the two halves of holiness via Love.
Your other part of the equation, Grace....ahhhh, Grace....maybe later, when it's more prevenient, eh, I mean convenient.
Where would Wesley come down on the sin that cries out to heaven? I think we know that sin of which I speak. That sin which is peddled today as “love is love”
You used a word with which I'm not familiar. It seems to be a reference to the way (or ways) Christians cooperate with the Lord but it seems to be a different form of the word "cooperate". If you were saying "cooperative grace", a) your pronunciation didn't seem to have enough syllables and b) your diction didn't seem to include enough consonants. Maybe your answer can help other non-methodists as well as me.
So interest ing those are things we Catholics believe
What about idols, relics,Mary worship, purgatory, indulgence, inquisition, parading dead church dignitaries.
One Catholic biographer of Wesley wrote that Wesley was only 5 feet 7 inches stature, but a spiritual giant.
". We would end up with a very dower man made religion". Welcome to Jehovahs witnesses. Exactly
J.Wesley it's all about men merits....
Michel Haineault Where is it said
No. Wesley would be appalled with any such theology.
Without the baptism of holy ghost you can not be holy.
One cannot be saved without being [Holy]Spirit filled. One cannot be [Holy] Spirit filled without being saved. Biblical and Historic Christian doctrine teaches salvation and Spirit baptism/infilling happens at the same time. No separate work of grace. Being Spirit-filled apart from salvation is a Pentecostal invention and a misinterpretation of Holy Scripture.
No it’s not. The paradox is that Pentecostal theology came right out of Wesleyan theology. You need stop being lazy with history and actually study it.
you know first the God's plan.
Was a Methodist member for 20 years. John Wesley's teachings wouldn't stand up today! Too grace heavy and not enough emphasis on personal holiness! Watch for the split concerning practicing homosexuals as clergy! Read the Word of God yourselves and allow the same Holy Spirit that wrote them, speak to you! People have become too reliant on the person in the pulpit. See Acts 8 and mimic the Bereans who "searched the Scriptures themselves" to verify what they heard. Blessings and remain sober minded. Jesus is at the door!
While I am not a methodist and disagree with their theology, I would nonetheless defend them from being painted with a broad brush.
Grace is personal holiness. And for THIS generation, JW teachings hold up well considering the serious need for social justice. Split or no split the Word will go forth through the generations even in the Methodist Church. I do agree with you that people need to read for themselves but JW preached Jesus no filter and that is exactly what’s needed in a fallen world.
@@shariponder8507 Define social justice.