We only have to open our eyes to the wonders of God. God is not only overt. He is abundantly and overwhelmingly overt! It may be better said that when God opens our eyes to see, He is more than overt!
@hhh-et2vi Most Christians do believe that the Christian Bible explains all the other gods. There is only one infinitely big God that has the power to create. All the others are just fallen angels who rebelled against God and can take any form or shape within limits. It takes Biblical knowledge and a living relationship with God to properly discern between what's truly good and bad.
@hhh-et2vi I do. I worship the God who created the heavens and the earth. The God of Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." That is "In the beginning" is time. The "heavens" is space. The "earth" is matter. So time, space, and matter came into being at the same time. That is the God I worship and who was perfectly manifested to us in the person of His only begotten Son, Jesus Christ.
@ChopperChad that would make you one of the 2%. It's incredibly unfortunate that you had that experience. But since you have made up your mind, what is your alternative? An eternity of nothingness?
@@ChopperChadme too. 2 things made my deconversion from this belief inevitable and one of them was the bible. I don’t consider myself a “scoffer”…just a reasoned human being. And there’s a lot more than 2%
@SeanPittaway-lb9bg Now, make a second pass and attempt to understand what you have read. The evidence is everywhere. If you still struggle, check out expedition bible. You owe it to yourself to take this seriously.
Young man you walked in great love and wisdom..As a Born Again Evangelist for 44 years. .. I commend you.. Usally when I share the Word of God with these guys allot of profanity comes out of their mouth..with much hate...sadly.. Will continue to pray for them...
I absolutely loved this episode! I was just finishing reading the Book of Job when I saw it, so it confirmed for me that God is not hidden. I'm pretty sure the Book of Job also answers all the other 'complaints' about Christianity: "Why evil", "hiddenness", etc.
YOUR comment confirms to me that you are delusional. No. The the Book of Job does not explain the hiddeness of this 'God'. Reality does. This 'God' does not exist in reality. Have you ever _directly observed_ this 'God'? Yes or no.
@@Theo_SkeptomaiHow do YOU know, how can YOU prove that you haven’t directly witnessed an act of God? The fact that you don’t believe in God will ALWAYS make you say you have never witnessed an act of God. How do you know you are not wrong? How do you kow that EVERY coincidence in your life has been a random turn of events and not an act from a higher power?
@TheKilrmy I haven't mentioned anything about a supposed "act" of any god. I asked the OC if he or she has _directly observed_ this 'God' that he or she mentioned. It was a straightforward question. Did this confuse you?
@@Theo_Skeptomai The Bible clearly states that no one has, or can, see God. What can be seen is the works of God. One who refuses to believe in God will never see His works. You are willing to believe EVERY coincidence in your life has simply been random things falling into place the right way. You are willing to believe that the pinpoint design of the universe happened to fall into place rather than an intelligent designer creating it. There are signs that point to, at least the possibility, of a God but when you want to be blind you won’t see them. The fact you even bring up seeing a leprechaun in this conversation shows your lack of ability to have intelligent conversation. Leprechauns are factually known to be a made up fairytale. Literally no one believes in leprechauns because they are recognized as made up entities in fun and lighthearted Irish folklore while God is a profound part of numerous world religions and central to one’s existence. Asinine comparison.
The complaint dept box is full. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil
@gi169 most of the holidays are pagan rooted. I thank GOD daily for supplying all my needs and giving me salvation. 4th of July, isn't a biggie to me , I served in desert storm and it's just another day to me as I belong to GODS Army not mans
I don't know if you are aware of it, but across history and even today, theists are always denying each other's God. In fact this even happens in Christianity. For example you can find Arminians and Calvinists accusing each other of not being real Christians or of being damnable heretics. Ditto for Catholics, Protestants and Orthodox. And for Trinitarians and non Trinitarians. So until you fellows sort yourselves out then there is little reason to point the finger at atheists.
Mind your own business Doglogic, Sam, CP, David, Rob christian etc. We don't have problems with islam. Suddenly you pop up with this topic inspired by Satan. Its just your strategy to mislead us to cover your problematic religion. Solve your problems first ( eating pork, drink alcohol, ladies exposing bodies, pee standing up, worshipping human flesh etc). ok???? Sory but we don't want to go to hell
But he said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.’ “But Abraham said, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented. And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.’ “Then he said, ‘I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father’s house, for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.’ Abraham said to him, ‘They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.’ And he said, ‘No, father Abraham; but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’ But he said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.’ ” Luke 16:25-31 NKJV
Why isn't God more overt? Thinking about it, this question pre-supposes that God isn't very overt or present in this world or universe. But what if the level of 'overtness' or His presence were to be lowered just a bit, who's to say that the world wouldn't fall into complete and utter chaos? So maybe His level of presence and overtness is 'just right' so that we can retain our free will but at the same time live in a world that isn't to that level of degeneracy (yet)
@docdisco42 Asking why God is more or less overt is not the question. The key question here is how do you establish that God is present at all? You can't answer it. Frank Turek can't answer it. But you blithely go on as if this were a settled matter. No one has ever established any effect to have a divine cause. Not once. If you can't provide criteria that would conclusively demonstrate that the supernatural exists, and can be accurately detected, there is no basis for any of these claims. Theism all boils down to being attractive and affirming to humans. It has enormous consensus and makes a lot of people feel more settled. There's probably data to support that theists are in general happier than non-theists. But that doesn't make any of it true.
@@drumrnvaNeighbor, if you apply the same "burden of proof" to "love",... that you apply to "God",... will you also proclaim to the world that "love does not exist"?
@@pvmoore1154 Of course not! That analogy doesn't work. Love is the word we use to describe putting someone else's needs first, among other things. Nobody claims that love is an independent agent with a will and that seeks to influence human behavior.
@@speedchaser4991How did you determine this to be true? Please include the data (or at the very least cite the source of such data) that you analyzed and describe the methodologies you employed to reach such a conclusion.
I trace the hiddeness of God to the ruse Satan played on our first parents at Eden when he suggested that their rebelling would make their eyes to open and they would see and be as God. They fell for it - and their spiritual eyes clamped shut. Humankind became blind and the blindness has stayed until now. The only go-around is through faith in Christ, the giver of sight to the spiritually blind.
And God created evil Isaiah 45: 5-8 (KJV) 5 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me: 6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else. 7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. 8 Drop down, ye heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness: let the earth open, and let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together; I the LORD have created it
@@chloemartel9927 Its sad there are people like you who cant handle the truth which comes directly from the Word of God. We can only pray that God will have mercy by allowing your eyes to open and see reality instead of living in such a deranged mentality
This is so truthful ABOUT the reality of the nature of all of those who still question GOD, basically egocentrism is the problem of humanity, people question God and want to demand God to adjust to their own personal view as if they are the center of the universe. The problem for them is that GOD is eternal WHILE they (skeptiks) are all a Blink of an eye in the timeline of existence.
@@lawrenceeason8007 I have a good friend who’s fell down the conspiracy rabbit hole. What I’ve noticed is he’s strawmanning us all. He’s claiming we just believe the narrative of the MSM when I haven’t watched the news for 15 years. He refuses to accept any books as true and has no intention of reading anything. It’s all lies as far as he’s concerned. Covid triggered all of this and I know he never reads anything.
Glory!!! After so much struggles I now own a new house with an influx of $155,000.00 every month God has kept to his words, my family is happy again everything is finally falling into place. God bless America.
Yeah sounds impossible, yet with Christina Ann Tucker, I've come to the conclusion that financially anything is possible. I got my self my dream car 🚗 just last weekend and a whooping $320k in savings already, My journey with her started after my best friend came back from New York and saw me suffering in debt then told me about her and how to change my life through her. Christina A. Tucker is the kind of person one needs in his or her life! I got a home, a good wife, and a beautiful daughter. Note!:: this is not a promotion but me trying to make a point that no matter what happens, always have faith and keep living!!
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How are those things he listed complaints rather than arguments? Id like to see what he considers arguments vs complaints. How is something like "complexity implies a creator" an argument while something like "If God exists then there shouldn't be so much evil" isn't?
The biggest issue the main driver of Christianity, which is strict obedience to authority above all else. This is most easily seen in the command Christians are given to share the gospel (the good news). You will never meet a Christian who actually cares in the least if the folks they share the gospel with accept it or not. They care only about checking off the box they believe God told them to check.
What kind of radical idiodic generalisation is that?! “You will NEVER meet a Christian who cares in the least if folks… believe the gospel or not” nobody can take anything you say seriously after such a statement. Ps. We are all under strict obedience to someone, or something even if that is ourselves or our feelings and desires. That is a whole generalised statement which is absolutely true.
@None-if3mo Because Christianity is exactly the same as Islam in that sense. Submission to authority. Nothing distinguishes the two faiths apart from the personal preference of the believer.
@Handlehandlehandle320 well, there has yet to be a Christian who cares in the least if the gospel message they share is accepted. Could it happen at some point in the future. Sure, in theory yes.
@Handlehandlehandle320 well sure, we are all under 100% strict obedience to ourselves in every situation. That is an absolute truth. Even if we believe that a certain scripture is true and we ought to do what is says. Our minds are always the arbiter of whether or not our thought or actions align with said scripture. There is no obedience to God in a direct way as a result.
How can he debate atheists for so long and not realize they don't ask "Why god don't let me sleep with who ever I want" just like they don't ask "why Buddha don't let me sleep with who ever I want". You don't ask that of an entity that you think does not exist.
Why is uranus the coldest planet. It revolves around the sun too. And why was pluto designed not to revolve around the sun. The designer had a reason, nothing is by happenstance
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@@lawrenceeason8007 I should've said why does pluto take 248 Earth years to complete one revolution around the sun. My point is too many equations to figure out for it not to be an intelligent designer. Cause non life can't create life. In 1877, John Tyndall's experiments proved that life cannot arise from non-life. In 1859, Louis Pasteur demonstrated that life can only come from life.
@@lawrenceeason8007 In 1877, John Tyndall's experiments proved that life cannot arise from non-life. In 1859, Louis Pasteur demonstrated that life can only come from life. All things flow from life and power. Non life can't produce life. And why do all other planets don't have life
"Skeptics don't really have an argument against Christianity" Does that comment include the fact you can't prove Jesus ever existed in a sustainable or historical way that would convince anyone other than a currently deluded Christian or the totally gullible?
Yeah. I think he spoke too loosely. Because arguing that the Christian God wouldn’t run the world this way based on the literature is an argument against Christianity. Such as when people say, “That couldn’t have been Person X because Person X would never do this or that.”
Flavius Josephus (early), Tacitus (early), Flavius, Pliny the Younger, Suetonius...all are non-Christians who wrote about the historical Jesus. What makes the eye witness accounts of Matthew, Mark and John and Luke (who recorded what eyewitnesses said) unacceptable to you? To what tests have they failed that they are dismissable?
@CocaCoholic Let's start with FJ and establish the FACTS (well as many as possible before you cower away). Does FJ provide _firsthand_ information (testimony, documention) of this Jesus? Yes or no.
@@therick363 patient please. i don't sit Infront of youtube replying .. which one is the answer you looking for ? "Would you like to try again but like an adult? Or will it be hypocrisy?" for this question what wrong with it ? the truth is that atheist just being sceptic while not looking at the evidence. it is easy to complain like a spoilt brat. what is immature of it? "You claim truth is best…so will you answer questions or not yes or no? " this i really dont understand sorry for me limited understanding.. Telling a drug addict that it is wrong is the most loving thing to do.. Similar to telling an atheist they are just complaining without looking at the evidence is wrong while they keep sinning and living in their own self centered world.. if you don't listen to advise and start going all animal instinct and feral, it is your own childish choice.
christians are told in the bible that they will suffer for being a christian. and this suffering is supposed to help us grow as christians. jesus was innocent, and he suffered. some people are protected, and others are not. we may not get a satisfactory answer in this life, but I still believe we can trust God.
2 Corinthians 12:9 And He said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore most gladly I will rather boast in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
The silence of God is not hiding rather, in His Soverign Will, God does not share everything with mankind. “His ways are higher….” See: Isaiah 55:8 & 9. Written by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit some 3000 years ago.
@@g.alistar7798 How can your ridiculous claim be _falsified?_ Present ANYTHING that can be known that would prove your baseless CLAIM to be false. You will not provide one example of a possible falsification. WATCH!!
God doesn't hide. It's you who refuses to see. And thanks for increasing the views of this interesting video and all the other Christian videos that we see you on. Your schoolgirl crush is showing😅😅😅😂😂😂😂😮😢😊
@InfoArtistJK What _exactly_ do atheists, like Moist_Robot and I, refuse to see? State one _evidentiary fact_ that suggests this 'God' is a reality in a complete sentence. Your response, if yiu even choose to respond, will NOT be an _evidentiary fact_ stated in a complete sentence. WATCH!!
If God the father and his son the Lord Jesus Christ don’t exist and unreal like santa clause, why do we hate him? “They will hate you but they hated me first.” And still… God’s merciful hand reaches out to even those that hate him if they would only call upon his name.
Because santa clause does not say believe in him or suffer in hell for eternity and say we should not teach evolution in schools and does not knock on my door asking for money and santa does not cause people to avoid simple moral questions. It is justice to punish people for crimes they did not commit? Sorry if you think criticism is hate.
@@DanielF892 Because beliefs effect behaviors and I would rather live in a world with honest people who can answer simple moral questions and dont want to take thinks like evolution out of school because it goes against some holy book.
@@macmac1022hello, thank you for your questions. I'd like to address them if you're truly seeking answers. First, in your first line, that sounds like a complaint against God (just as Dr. Turek said in this video). That doesn't mean He doesn't exist, it just means you're mad at and fighting with Him. 2. Should we teach our children lies? Those who believe in creation, (including myself) believe macro evolution is not the truth. Life does not come from non life and no dogs that I've ever seen change into cats, or vice versa. How long before a rock grows ears? 3. Who knocks on your door asking for money? Even the Jehovah's Witnesses don't do that to my knowledge. But that's not the truth either. 4. Santa doesn't "cause people to avoid moral questions" because Santa is non-existent. But God does not do this either. In fact, God WANTS you to ask moral questions. 5. It is NOT justice to punish people for crimes they did NOT commit. God says the soul that sins shall die and every man will die for their own sins. In this context, I think it's important to remember life doesn't just mean here on earth, but eternal life and death- the "afterlife." God is just and merciful and ready to forgive. I agree. Criticism is NOT hate. May God bless your journey.
Pointing out that a character in a story is evil doesn't mean that you hate them. We can look at characters like Voldemort and see that they are evil. Same goes for your god.
Something can be a complaint but still be founded on a legitimate question. A simple example is "why is there so much suffering?". It's both a complaint and a theological question. Maybe some questions become complaints because we just don't get clear, consistent answers to them.
The argument of evil is not a complaint, it is a rational argument that shows that logically God cannot be both all-loving and all-powerful at the same time, as Christians claim. So this argument does not prove God does not exist, but it does prove that if God does exist, his nature is not the way Christians think it is.
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@@traced-x1 If I am not mistaking, the Bible states God loves humans like a father loves his children. I am a father myself and if I had the power, I would never give my child a disease or handicap. Also I would never tell my child homosexuality is a crime, and then decide to let my child be born gay. Furthermore I would never let my child get hurt or killed due to for example natural disasters. Am I making sense to you??
Not because he's right, but just how badly he misrepresents counter arguments to fit his world view. And he's a homophobic piece of crap too who hides behind religion to justify his hatred.
#1 Are morals objective? #2 Are there objective moral duties? #3 Is it immoral not to do an objective moral duty? #4 Does god do the objective moral duties? #5 Is it an objective moral duty to save a drowning person if you are of sound mind and can do it with no risk to yourself? #6 Would it be objectively immoral to punish someone for a crime they did not commit? #7 Would you consider a parent who put their kids in a room with a poison fruit and told the kids not to eat it but then also put the best con artist in the room with the children knowing the con artist will get the kids to eat the fruit and the parent does nothing to stop it an objectively moral parent?
Category error in comparison. God is not a human. God is the Source of all things good beyond time space and matter. Yes there's an objective morality. That comes from God who is the foundation of all things we see and can become aware of.
@@nathanielalderson9111 I dont think you understand what the word objective means then. Math is objective, does it only apply to humans? Does 2+2 not equal 4 for god?
Would "love" or "relationship" EXIST,... if we do not have free will? Or would you happily "order" your spouse, child or puppy online, to arrive at your door perfectly "adoring" you? Would their preprogrammed "love" mean anything? God gave Adam & Eve free will so that relationship and love could exist. We may not like the choices we have made with that free will,... but I don't blame God,... I look in the mirror. What in the Gospel of John do you take exception to? Tnx
@@pvmoore1154 Yes. Ya, if I had a choice between something that does not adore me and something that does, I am going to chose the one that does. Sure, it means a made a good purchase. There are many things in the bible I take exception to. But what REALLY bothers me is how so many christians turn into dishonest politicians and avoid answering my simple questions. Its like when I ask a muslim if its morally acceptable to sleep with a 9 year old if you married them and they dont answer the question and instead say something like well what about rebecca. I answered your questions, can you answer mine?
@macmac1022 I understand what objective is. You don't understand what God is. I'll repeat what I wrote. God, is. from where. All other things Originate. The moral laws come from God. And yes there are duties. God cannot contradict His nature. But The Lawgiver and Judge can suspend any law for any reason at any time in any way. Subject to "God cannot break His character." There is no authority higher than God. God operates in both the attribute of Mercy and of Justice. The issue comes from what you personally interpret as moral. Another way to put it, "who do you think you are to tell God what to do?"
So because hard evidence is absent on how the universe got created the Iron age explanation from a book riddled with falsehoods and inconsistenties must be the only remaining viable answer... Wow! 😂
God is God. You chose Him, or not. Your arguments against God only exist because you need to defend your choice. And you only need to defend it, because you suspect that you are wrong.
I'm defending my position because idiots want to vote their god in as the moral supreme of my country and make me follow their laws regardless of evidence on whether or not their law is useful or good.
Frank, Christianity teaches that Christians go to heaven when they die, and the unbeliever goes to hell. But Jesus taught that no one is in heaven (John 3:12-13) and that all the dead from Adam up to present day, the righteous and the wicked are still in their graves waiting for the return of Christ. (John 5:28-29) Doesn't this make Christianity a false religion?
I think its important to understand the context of each verse as they are separate discussions. The first one is with a pharisee; Nicodemus. Jesus was explaining being born again to him and Nicodemus was struggling to understand it. He didnt get it in a physical sense since you cant go back into your mothers womb. But jesus was trying to explain it as spiritual and he still struggled. Jesus challenged him by saying he himself (Jesus) testified to be the son of God and Nicodemus still didnt believe him (v12). The point of the next verse (v13) is not to say that Jesus alone goes to heaven, but he was trying to display his authority; no one but him (the Son of Man) has gone into heaven AND come from heaven. He alone has been in heaven already and is here now on earth. Others have certainly gone to heaven, but who else has come from heaven back to earth? None except Jesus. John 5 is a different conversation Jesus has with religious leaders in public after he heals someone on the Sabbath (which by their law is forbidden). They use this as a way to question and persecute him. Basically as a way to judge his actions. He responds by saying he only does what the Father tells him and uses v28-29 to talk about the later resurrection all will experience where he will judge the righteous and wicked through God's authority. It can be confusing, because it almost seems like hes saying all will just hangout in graves till its time to rise up. Almost like those who die are on 'pause' during all that time. But given how others verses talk being with God after death like 2 Corinthians 5:8, whats the deal? The difference is about our physical bodies. Once we lose these physical bodies we will be somewhere spiritually. Its not like our existence is on pause after death, but it will be in a different form and realm. But God did design us to have physical bodies and he will restore those. There are various verses that mention this like Acts 3:21. The end goal is make a new earth (rev.21:1-2) and restore or resurrect our bodies in a new form. So this is not proclaiming a false religion when viewed in context. One is a conversation about Jesus claiming a unique authority as the one who can walk in both worlds (heaven and earth) and the other is talking about the physical body resurrections that will happen to all when the new earth is being created. At least this is how I understand it.
I recommend you read chapters, not verses, while setting aside your own personal interpretation and stepping in to the perspective of the ones being spoken to. (Example John chapter 3 that would be 1st century Jewish Pharisees and Sadducees.)
@@scape211I think it is important to deal with actual FACTS when engaged in discussion. Are you aware of any FACT that suggests this Jesus was an actually person? Yes or no.
@@Theo_Skeptomai that depends on what you mean by facts. It sounds simple, but various people tend to expect certain kinds of evidence that isn't always available for someone who is thousands of years in the past. I guess I will start with external sources for the existence of Jesus and see if that fits what you are looking for: 1. Tacitus is widely regarded as the greatest historian of the Roman Empire. He is thought to have used his sources responsibly, and that his basic accuracy is impeccable. In his *Annals*, XV, 44, he mentions Christians as a religious group and names their founder as "Chrestus" who was executed by Pontius Pilate when Tiberius was emperor. He is obviously getting his information from sources, but he speaks of the historical existence of the founder of Christianity as having been executed by Pilate. 2. Josephus several times in his writings mentions a historical Jesus, the brother of James, whom people followed, who was crucified, who is called the Messiah (Christos). While the accuracy of Josephus is much debated, and though some passages in his writings are considered to have been redacted, at least some of the mentions of Jesus are widely regarded as authentic, doubted by only a few minimalist scholars. 3. The James Ossuary. A bone box has surfaced inscribed with "James, son of Joseph, brother of Jesus." While the Israeli Archaeology Society pronounced it a fake, many scholars have evaluated their assessment and disagree with the IAS, considering the inscription to be authentic, and to probably refer to Jesus of Nazareth. 4. Thallus, a historian writing in about AD 50, is quoted by Julius Africanus (in AD 221) as mentioning darkness on the day of the Passover when Christ died. The reference is highly debated as to its authenticity, but every possibility becomes part of the total picture of what we have. 5. Ignatius (in about AD 100) mentions the historical Jesus. 6. Suetonius, another Roman historian (in about AD 100), also mentions a "Chrestus" who was the founder of the Christian movement. 7. Pliny the Younger (about AD 100) mentions that, regarding the persecution of Christians, they are prompted to "curse Christ." Three times he mentions a man named Christ, who was the founder of the Christian sect. These are a few. There are others. Generally speaking, nearly all scholars agree he was a historical figure who lived during the 1st century AD.
@scape211 Let's examine these extra-biblical sources one at a time for they are ALL nonsense. I have several straightforward questions for you. Have you actually read _Annals_ (or _Histories)_ by CT? Yes or no.
This is nonsense. Any argument that points to the logical impossibility of Dr. Turek's God is an argument against his God. But such an argument must necessarily be about what Dr. Turek believes about his God, because otherwise he could just deflect by saying "yeah, but that doesn't apply to my God". Therefore it is not a matter of "stealing" from his God, when critics talk about the characteristics of his God, but rather about carefully remaining within the borders of what Dr. Turek himself says he believes about his God in order to demonstrate how that specific God is illogical, or impossible, or contradicts other beliefs Dr. Turek admits having.
Frank to me seem like a dishonest person the way he present his argument he gave a few argument from the other side then said it complaints. Knowing that the other side doesn’t try to prove anything, it on his side of the argument that make claim into reality that not there and they just trying to point the obvious view you get reading the book in a naturalistic literally way of how we understand reality nowadays. I get what Frank saying without these argument/complaints these idea wouldn’t be there without God. But with our understanding of knowledge nowadays we look into scholars and apologetic conversation to get the depth of these topics. But with so many great mind attacking these question threw out history and even nowadays. So far we only get metaphorical truth through these books ,we don’t have evidence to really prove it a true story we have pieces of the story written and seem to be parallel with some of the mythology story out there
@JamesWatson-h4h Not all parents raise their kids with proper moral values, and even then, some grow up to become morally good because it is written in everybody's heart, you have the choice.
His whole argument is a straw man. The objections may sound like complaints, but they’re really contradictions in Christian doctrine and ethics. By framing it this way, Turek is promoting the “mad at God” stereotype.
Oh good grief Frank, and to any of his followers who would like to reply. How could reality be the way it is with the presence of God? Can Frank or any of his followers explain how reality could be the way it is with the presence of God to the same degree and depth they would want me to explain it, but without the presence of God? Why not show me what that explanation looks like? If not then why the swaggering and the hypocrisy, acting as if you can explain it?
For that sort of thing, go to Dr. Bill Craig's videos. But, regarding the 'depth and degree to which I would like for YOU to explain it': I *DON'T.* The stuff that ill-informed little pseudo-intellectuals (such as the typical anti-theist/New-Atheist) spout is, at the VERY BEST, just stuff for me to LAUGH-AT. You people are absolute OAFS and JOKES in the science, history, philosophy, theology, and BASIC REASONING departments, to me. 😏
@@johnharrison6745 If you are going to insist that I go watch a bunch of videos that impress you, then can I suggest that you go watch a bunch of counter videos that impress me? //I DON'T.// Is that because WLC does not explain it to the same depth and degree he would expect an atheist to explain it? And that is why, all you have to offer is:- a. telling me to go watch some unspecified videos of WLC, and b. telling me that you think I am an oaf? //You people are absolute OAFS and JOKES in the science, history, philosophy, theology, and BASIC REASONING departments, to me. 😏// O.k. But I hope you don't think that I should feel ashamed of myself given what you just said about me? PS. Is your post an example of what we often call "righteous indignation"?
There are thousands of books written over thousands of years explaining how reality can be the way it is with the presence of God, addressing objections related to human suffering, animal suffering, natural evil, personal evil, the hiddenness of God, and much more.
@@mbb-- There are thousands of books written on all kinds of things, including books on why the (various versions of the) Christian God does not exist, or why various theologies concerning him are wrong. So should you be impressed by what I wrote, or not? If not, then why should I be impressed by the thousands of books you say exist? Can YOU show me what that explanation looks like or not? ^^ As you can see I have matched your "there are thousands of books" with my own "there are thousands of books".
@@rolandwatts3218 You misunderstand the point of my reply. I wrote what I did because you seemed to imply that no one or hardly anyone has attempted to explain how reality can exist the way it is with the presence of God. You may not find these explanations persuasive, but that doesn't mean explanations haven't been offered.
God is a mushroom is no more nonsensical than "they" are three people so, you shouldn't be too snooty in response to someone suggesting that because, your doctrine of men & demons, the trinity, is just as carnal is what that man said about Jesus.
"... nor do they give evidence based accounts of how reality could be the way it is in the bases of God", don't want to speak form what he has heard or not, but if he has actually talked to skeptics then that is false. I hearo so many explanations for why everything exist and is the way it is without a God being involved. Are we just going to ignore the entire existence and arguments of Humanistic Judaism or Secular Buddhism? On the other hand, I have not heard any good arguments fore the existence of God, and yes I have listed to all kinds of people, but at least I can admit that I saw attempts at arguments.
We only have to open our eyes to the wonders of God. God is not only overt. He is abundantly and overwhelmingly overt! It may be better said that when God opens our eyes to see, He is more than overt!
So many gods, I'm sure you think you have the right one.
@hhh-et2vi ,there is God and there are gods. We're talking about God, the unmoved mover the cause of everything. The One who loves truly!
@@buddyforbes7157 Yes, I get it, your version of God.
@hhh-et2vi Most Christians do believe that the Christian Bible explains all the other gods. There is only one infinitely big God that has the power to create. All the others are just fallen angels who rebelled against God and can take any form or shape within limits. It takes Biblical knowledge and a living relationship with God to properly discern between what's truly good and bad.
@hhh-et2vi I do. I worship the God who created the heavens and the earth. The God of Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." That is "In the beginning" is time. The "heavens" is space. The "earth" is matter. So time, space, and matter came into being at the same time. That is the God I worship and who was perfectly manifested to us in the person of His only begotten Son, Jesus Christ.
I've found 98% ish of scoffers never have read the Bible. So that's a good place to start.
Reading the Bible is what led me away. It was nothing like the selected and out of context sermons my churches preached.
@ChopperChad that would make you one of the 2%. It's incredibly unfortunate that you had that experience. But since you have made up your mind, what is your alternative? An eternity of nothingness?
@@ChopperChadme too. 2 things made my deconversion from this belief inevitable and one of them was the bible. I don’t consider myself a “scoffer”…just a reasoned human being. And there’s a lot more than 2%
@SeanPittaway-lb9bg Now, make a second pass and attempt to understand what you have read. The evidence is everywhere. If you still struggle, check out expedition bible. You owe it to yourself to take this seriously.
@@DaTo-k1o do you think that this god that you believe exists understands that by choosing to be invisible that it encourages disbelief?
Thanks Dr Turek for demonstrating the truth of scriptures
@@jeffphelps1355
Must’ve missed that part.
@Moist._Robot atheists miss a lot. Very narrow minded
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If Christianity wasn’t true would you become an ex Christian?
@@Moist._Robot I haven't come across a rational reason to leave
@@jeffphelps1355
Well that doesn’t answer my question does it.
Young man you walked in great love and wisdom..As a Born Again Evangelist for 44 years. .. I commend you..
Usally when I share the Word of God with these guys allot of
profanity comes out of their mouth..with much hate...sadly..
Will continue to pray for them...
I absolutely loved this episode! I was just finishing reading the Book of Job when I saw it, so it confirmed for me that God is not hidden. I'm pretty sure the Book of Job also answers all the other 'complaints' about Christianity: "Why evil", "hiddenness", etc.
YOUR comment confirms to me that you are delusional.
No. The the Book of Job does not explain the hiddeness of this 'God'. Reality does. This 'God' does not exist in reality.
Have you ever _directly observed_ this 'God'? Yes or no.
@@Theo_SkeptomaiHow do YOU know, how can YOU prove that you haven’t directly witnessed an act of God? The fact that you don’t believe in God will ALWAYS make you say you have never witnessed an act of God. How do you know you are not wrong? How do you kow that EVERY coincidence in your life has been a random turn of events and not an act from a higher power?
@TheKilrmy I haven't mentioned anything about a supposed "act" of any god. I asked the OC if he or she has _directly observed_ this 'God' that he or she mentioned. It was a straightforward question. Did this confuse you?
@TheKilrmy Have you ever _directly observed_ a Leprechaun?
@@Theo_Skeptomai The Bible clearly states that no one has, or can, see God. What can be seen is the works of God. One who refuses to believe in God will never see His works. You are willing to believe EVERY coincidence in your life has simply been random things falling into place the right way. You are willing to believe that the pinpoint design of the universe happened to fall into place rather than an intelligent designer creating it. There are signs that point to, at least the possibility, of a God but when you want to be blind you won’t see them.
The fact you even bring up seeing a leprechaun in this conversation shows your lack of ability to have intelligent conversation.
Leprechauns are factually known to be a made up fairytale. Literally no one believes in leprechauns because they are recognized as made up entities in fun and lighthearted Irish folklore while God is a profound part of numerous world religions and central to one’s existence.
Asinine comparison.
The complaint dept box is full.
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil
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Have an awesome Thanksgiving brother.
@gi169 I don't celebrate holidays bro , but thank you anyway. GOD Bless you 🙏
@larzman651
Really brother? Christmas, Easter, the 4th of July in order of importance? May I inquire as to why?
@gi169 most of the holidays are pagan rooted. I thank GOD daily for supplying all my needs and giving me salvation. 4th of July, isn't a biggie to me , I served in desert storm and it's just another day to me as I belong to GODS Army not mans
Thank you CrossExamined 👍
Brother GiL69! Happy Thanksgiving!
Thank you, Frank!
@@oreally8605
Brother O Really? Happy Thanksgiving, God bless you and your family.
@@katefree9539
Uh, I'm not Frank.
@@gi169
You wish you were.
Even if God was more overt in his reality, atheists would still find reason as far fetched as they could be to deny God.
Present some god evidence for a god…..
And your comment shows blatant disrespect. I suggest trying again.
@therick363
There is ample evidence for God. You would just disregard it anyways.
What evidence do you need if you disagree with my post?
@@DigbyOdel-et3xx Ok, list one of the ample evidences for god then.
I don't know if you are aware of it, but across history and even today, theists are always denying each other's God. In fact this even happens in Christianity. For example you can find Arminians and Calvinists accusing each other of not being real Christians or of being damnable heretics. Ditto for Catholics, Protestants and Orthodox. And for Trinitarians and non Trinitarians.
So until you fellows sort yourselves out then there is little reason to point the finger at atheists.
Mind your own business Doglogic, Sam, CP, David, Rob christian etc.
We don't have problems with islam.
Suddenly you pop up with this topic inspired by Satan.
Its just your strategy to mislead us to cover your problematic religion.
Solve your problems first ( eating pork, drink alcohol, ladies exposing bodies, pee standing up, worshipping human flesh etc). ok????
Sory but we don't want to go to hell
Please how ?
Am a born Christian and sometimes I feel so down 😭 of myself because of low finance but I still believe God😞
It's Maria Angelina Alexander doing she's changed my life. A BROKER- like her is what you need.
$356K monthly is something you should feel differently about....
Lovely! I enjoyed it like I enjoy a $100k monthly around the turn!!!
Genius. Thanks for this.
Dr. Turek! How do you find out about when I can attend one of your speeches?
I can't answer your question, but I did see him live at a church in the Dallas area this fall. It was cool, I recommend it.
On his website you might be able to track where he does his sermons
But he said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.’
“But Abraham said, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented.
And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.’
“Then he said, ‘I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father’s house, for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.’
Abraham said to him, ‘They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.’
And he said, ‘No, father Abraham; but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’
But he said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.’ ”
Luke 16:25-31 NKJV
Neat.
It always adds up to the same thing. "I don't want God to exist and I don't like Him."
Unfortunately most aren't honest enough to put it that way.
Preach brother! That is exactly how they feel.
Happy Thanksgiving brother...
@gi169 Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours.
Perhaps you are the one who isn't honest enough to engage with the actual arguments presented......
@somerandom3247 You despise God, but you can't make Him not exist.
The weirdest thing I heard (yntil this video) was that John took psychedelics when he was on Patmoss and wrote Revelations
Weird, indeed, but remember: Revelation is singular, not plural; John received only one. ;-)
Why isn't God more overt?
Thinking about it, this question pre-supposes that God isn't very overt or present in this world or universe. But what if the level of 'overtness' or His presence were to be lowered just a bit, who's to say that the world wouldn't fall into complete and utter chaos? So maybe His level of presence and overtness is 'just right' so that we can retain our free will but at the same time live in a world that isn't to that level of degeneracy (yet)
Well said, thank you
@docdisco42 Asking why God is more or less overt is not the question. The key question here is how do you establish that God is present at all? You can't answer it. Frank Turek can't answer it. But you blithely go on as if this were a settled matter. No one has ever established any effect to have a divine cause. Not once. If you can't provide criteria that would conclusively demonstrate that the supernatural exists, and can be accurately detected, there is no basis for any of these claims. Theism all boils down to being attractive and affirming to humans. It has enormous consensus and makes a lot of people feel more settled. There's probably data to support that theists are in general happier than non-theists. But that doesn't make any of it true.
@@drumrnvaNeighbor, if you apply the same "burden of proof" to "love",... that you apply to "God",... will you also proclaim to the world that "love does not exist"?
Who is the Restrainer?
When will He be removed?
What happens here when He is removed?
@@pvmoore1154 Of course not! That analogy doesn't work. Love is the word we use to describe putting someone else's needs first, among other things. Nobody claims that love is an independent agent with a will and that seeks to influence human behavior.
Turek apparently totally forgot his debates with Hitchens.
One reason for God's seeming hiddenness is that he is maintaining our freedom of choice.
God wants people to search Him out, not listen to men!
So because my parents have good evidence they exist, I have no free will? I dont think your logic follows.
This 'God' just doesn't "seem" hidden. If it exists in reality, it IS hidden.
Have you ever _directly observed_ this 'God'? Yes or no.
@@speedchaser4991How did you determine this to be true? Please include the data (or at the very least cite the source of such data) that you analyzed and describe the methodologies you employed to reach such a conclusion.
@@hanzee2633 how can we choose something that isn’t there?
I trace the hiddeness of God to the ruse Satan played on our first parents at Eden when he suggested that their rebelling would make their eyes to open and they would see and be as God. They fell for it - and their spiritual eyes clamped shut. Humankind became blind and the blindness has stayed until now. The only go-around is through faith in Christ, the giver of sight to the spiritually blind.
Have you ever _directly observed_ this 'God' or 'Satan'?
Peter, that’s exactly right!
And God created evil
Isaiah 45: 5-8 (KJV)
5 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.
7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
8 Drop down, ye heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness: let the earth open, and let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together; I the LORD have created it
Your ignorance and hatred is showing.
@@chloemartel9927
Its sad there are people like you who cant handle the truth which comes directly from the Word of God. We can only pray that God will have mercy by allowing your eyes to open and see reality instead of living in such a deranged mentality
@tymz-r-achangin Identify one verifiable truth that comes from this supposed "Word of God".
bad translation. it should say- create disaster.
@@TheoSkeptomai "If the world hates you, know that it has hated Me before it hated you". John 15:18
This is so truthful ABOUT the reality of the nature of all of those who still question GOD, basically egocentrism is the problem of humanity, people question God and want to demand God to adjust to their own personal view as if they are the center of the universe. The problem for them is that GOD is eternal WHILE they (skeptiks) are all a Blink of an eye in the timeline of existence.
Change that to UNTRUTHFUL.
Frank simply ignores the many arguments against the existence of a god.
This is totally DISHONEST.
We skeptics, many of us, don’t believe there is a god to question
@@lawrenceeason8007
I have a good friend who’s fell down the conspiracy rabbit hole. What I’ve noticed is he’s strawmanning us all. He’s claiming we just believe the narrative of the MSM when I haven’t watched the news for 15 years. He refuses to accept any books as true and has no intention of reading anything. It’s all lies as far as he’s concerned.
Covid triggered all of this and I know he never reads anything.
Glory!!! After so much struggles I now own a new house with an influx of $155,000.00 every month God has kept to his words, my family is happy again everything is finally falling into place. God bless America.
I'm feeling really motivated.
Could you share some details about the biweekly topic you brought up?
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Wow 😱 I know her too!
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I got started with a miserly $1500. The results have been mind blowing I must say TBH!!
I know that woman (Christina Ann Tucker)
If you were born and raised in new York you'd know too, No Bingle doubt she is the one that helped you get where you are!!
Id like to here what Frank thinks about John 6:37,44,45,65,66
How are those things he listed complaints rather than arguments? Id like to see what he considers arguments vs complaints. How is something like "complexity implies a creator" an argument while something like "If God exists then there shouldn't be so much evil" isn't?
TAKE ON DR. JAMES WHITE IN A DEBATE FRANK!!!....YOU COWARD!!!...HE WANTS ONE!!!!😊😊😊
The biggest issue the main driver of Christianity, which is strict obedience to authority above all else.
This is most easily seen in the command Christians are given to share the gospel (the good news). You will never meet a Christian who actually cares in the least if the folks they share the gospel with accept it or not. They care only about checking off the box they believe God told them to check.
And? How is that a problem?
What kind of radical idiodic generalisation is that?! “You will NEVER meet a Christian who cares in the least if folks… believe the gospel or not” nobody can take anything you say seriously after such a statement.
Ps. We are all under strict obedience to someone, or something even if that is ourselves or our feelings and desires. That is a whole generalised statement which is absolutely true.
@None-if3mo Because Christianity is exactly the same as Islam in that sense. Submission to authority. Nothing distinguishes the two faiths apart from the personal preference of the believer.
@Handlehandlehandle320 well, there has yet to be a Christian who cares in the least if the gospel message they share is accepted. Could it happen at some point in the future. Sure, in theory yes.
@Handlehandlehandle320 well sure, we are all under 100% strict obedience to ourselves in every situation. That is an absolute truth.
Even if we believe that a certain scripture is true and we ought to do what is says. Our minds are always the arbiter of whether or not our thought or actions align with said scripture.
There is no obedience to God in a direct way as a result.
How can he debate atheists for so long and not realize they don't ask "Why god don't let me sleep with who ever I want" just like they don't ask "why Buddha don't let me sleep with who ever I want". You don't ask that of an entity that you think does not exist.
they do it by convincing themselves that god doesn't exist, then they can do whatever they want.
@@racerx4152 How dare you say Buddha does not exist. You are lying. You know in your heart Buddha exists. Repent while you still have time
@@kokaltilol
I don’t have enough evidence to be a Christian
Why is uranus the coldest planet. It revolves around the sun too. And why was pluto designed not to revolve around the sun. The designer had a reason, nothing is by happenstance
@@karlinwilliamson9329 Uranus is the coldest planet…but what does that have to do with anything? Pluto revolves around the sun
Well, thank you, Lawrence, for increasing the views of this interesting video and all the other Christian videos that we see you on.😊
Your time spent on Christian videos is evidence that you have a schoolgirl crush on Christians.😅😅😅😅😂😂😂😮😢😊
@@lawrenceeason8007 I should've said why does pluto take 248 Earth years to complete one revolution around the sun. My point is too many equations to figure out for it not to be an intelligent designer. Cause non life can't create life.
In 1877, John Tyndall's experiments proved that life cannot arise from non-life. In 1859, Louis Pasteur demonstrated that life can only come from life.
@@lawrenceeason8007 In 1877, John Tyndall's experiments proved that life cannot arise from non-life. In 1859, Louis Pasteur demonstrated that life can only come from life. All things flow from life and power. Non life can't produce life. And why do all other planets don't have life
I wish the body of Christ would understand the seed war and the nephilim to understand the violence of the OT Jehova
"Skeptics don't really have an argument against Christianity" Does that comment include the fact you can't prove Jesus ever existed in a sustainable or historical way that would convince anyone other than a currently deluded Christian or the totally gullible?
Yeah. I think he spoke too loosely. Because arguing that the Christian God wouldn’t run the world this way based on the literature is an argument against Christianity. Such as when people say, “That couldn’t have been Person X because Person X would never do this or that.”
there are non christian people in early history, who were no fans of christianity, who say that jesus existed. the evidence is there. google it.
@@racerx4152Identify one non-Christian who states that this Jesus was historical.
Flavius Josephus (early), Tacitus (early), Flavius, Pliny the Younger, Suetonius...all are non-Christians who wrote about the historical Jesus.
What makes the eye witness accounts of Matthew, Mark and John and Luke (who recorded what eyewitnesses said) unacceptable to you? To what tests have they failed that they are dismissable?
@CocaCoholic Let's start with FJ and establish the FACTS (well as many as possible before you cower away).
Does FJ provide _firsthand_ information (testimony, documention) of this Jesus? Yes or no.
So, this was just an infomercial.
Totally agree all atheists have is complaining and complaining, like a spoilt brat.
Wow that’s real mature and respectful of you. Would you like to try again but like an adult? Or will it be hypocrisy?
@therick363 telling truth is the most loving thing to do.. isit better to let a child live in ignorance?
If telling the truth is the most loving thing to do, will you give you honest answers to my simple questions?
@@kelzaroute I see you couldn’t or wouldn’t answer the questions.
You claim truth is best…so will you answer questions or not yes or no?
@@therick363 patient please. i don't sit Infront of youtube replying .. which one is the answer you looking for ?
"Would you like to try again but like an adult? Or will it be hypocrisy?"
for this question what wrong with it ? the truth is that atheist just being sceptic while not looking at the evidence. it is easy to complain like a spoilt brat. what is immature of it?
"You claim truth is best…so will you answer questions or not yes or no? "
this i really dont understand sorry for me limited understanding.. Telling a drug addict that it is wrong is the most loving thing to do.. Similar to telling an atheist they are just complaining without looking at the evidence is wrong while they keep sinning and living in their own self centered world..
if you don't listen to advise and start going all animal instinct and feral, it is your own childish choice.
Why doesn't God protect innocent people/Christians against attacks?
christians are told in the bible that they will suffer for being a christian. and this suffering is supposed to help us grow as christians. jesus was innocent, and he suffered. some people are protected, and others are not. we may not get a satisfactory answer in this life, but I still believe we can trust God.
@racerx4152 Hmm, ok. Thanks for your response 👍
God is the hide and seek champion of the universe.
Indeed
the evidence is there, you just choose to ignore it.
@@racerx4152there is zero verifiable evidence of any god(s)
God can be seen in EVERYTHING you just too blinded by sin & pride to see it
@@billybob-ro6qf so god is a tree?
I am currently sick, i wish todd white would heal my one leg thats longer than the other
You don’t need Todd White for that
2 Corinthians 12:9 And He said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore most gladly I will rather boast in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
"the NBA hates this one simple trick."
-todd white, probably
A god that hides is no different than a god that doesn’t exist.
Exactly!
The silence of God is not hiding rather, in His Soverign Will, God does not share everything with mankind. “His ways are higher….” See: Isaiah 55:8 & 9. Written by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit some 3000 years ago.
@@g.alistar7798 How can your ridiculous claim be _falsified?_ Present ANYTHING that can be known that would prove your baseless CLAIM to be false.
You will not provide one example of a possible falsification. WATCH!!
God doesn't hide.
It's you who refuses to see. And thanks for increasing the views of this interesting video and all the other Christian videos that we see you on. Your schoolgirl crush is showing😅😅😅😂😂😂😂😮😢😊
@InfoArtistJK What _exactly_ do atheists, like Moist_Robot and I, refuse to see? State one _evidentiary fact_ that suggests this 'God' is a reality in a complete sentence.
Your response, if yiu even choose to respond, will NOT be an _evidentiary fact_ stated in a complete sentence. WATCH!!
God being as overt as He chooses to be at this point in His plan is a great faith filter. And without faith it is impossible to please God.
So it's about ego?
If God the father and his son the Lord Jesus Christ don’t exist and unreal like santa clause, why do we hate him? “They will hate you but they hated me first.” And still… God’s merciful hand reaches out to even those that hate him if they would only call upon his name.
Because santa clause does not say believe in him or suffer in hell for eternity and say we should not teach evolution in schools and does not knock on my door asking for money and santa does not cause people to avoid simple moral questions. It is justice to punish people for crimes they did not commit? Sorry if you think criticism is hate.
@@macmac1022yeah but if it doesn’t exist why does it matter?
@@DanielF892 Because beliefs effect behaviors and I would rather live in a world with honest people who can answer simple moral questions and dont want to take thinks like evolution out of school because it goes against some holy book.
@@macmac1022hello, thank you for your questions. I'd like to address them if you're truly seeking answers.
First, in your first line, that sounds like a complaint against God (just as Dr. Turek said in this video). That doesn't mean He doesn't exist, it just means you're mad at and fighting with Him.
2. Should we teach our children lies? Those who believe in creation, (including myself) believe macro evolution is not the truth. Life does not come from non life and no dogs that I've ever seen change into cats, or vice versa. How long before a rock grows ears?
3. Who knocks on your door asking for money? Even the Jehovah's Witnesses don't do that to my knowledge. But that's not the truth either.
4. Santa doesn't "cause people to avoid moral questions" because Santa is non-existent. But God does not do this either. In fact, God WANTS you to ask moral questions.
5. It is NOT justice to punish people for crimes they did NOT commit. God says the soul that sins shall die and every man will die for their own sins. In this context, I think it's important to remember life doesn't just mean here on earth, but eternal life and death- the "afterlife." God is just and merciful and ready to forgive.
I agree. Criticism is NOT hate.
May God bless your journey.
Pointing out that a character in a story is evil doesn't mean that you hate them.
We can look at characters like Voldemort and see that they are evil. Same goes for your god.
Something can be a complaint but still be founded on a legitimate question. A simple example is "why is there so much suffering?". It's both a complaint and a theological question. Maybe some questions become complaints because we just don't get clear, consistent answers to them.
Frank evading the question mostly
Well, Jesus is a fungi (fun guy) with mushroom (much room) to love. 😅
The argument of evil is not a complaint, it is a rational argument that shows that logically God cannot be both all-loving and all-powerful at the same time, as Christians claim. So this argument does not prove God does not exist, but it does prove that if God does exist, his nature is not the way Christians think it is.
Exactly. Well stated. Please keep posting!
Indeed
If only you were as smart as you think you are. Sorry that you're not, and thank you for increasing the views of this interesting video and all the other Christian videos that we see you on. Your schoolgirl crush on Christians is showing😅😅😅😂😂😂😮😢😊
By what standard do you say “he is not all-loving?” What is “all-loving?”
@@traced-x1 If I am not mistaking, the Bible states God loves humans like a father loves his children. I am a father myself and if I had the power, I would never give my child a disease or handicap. Also I would never tell my child homosexuality is a crime, and then decide to let my child be born gay. Furthermore I would never let my child get hurt or killed due to for example natural disasters. Am I making sense to you??
I know Frank is right because he gets the atheist pissed off.
Not because he's right, but just how badly he misrepresents counter arguments to fit his world view. And he's a homophobic piece of crap too who hides behind religion to justify his hatred.
countless people saw christ en his wonders en STILL denied him !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#1 Are morals objective?
#2 Are there objective moral duties?
#3 Is it immoral not to do an objective moral duty?
#4 Does god do the objective moral duties?
#5 Is it an objective moral duty to save a drowning person if you are of sound mind and can do it with no risk to yourself?
#6 Would it be objectively immoral to punish someone for a crime they did not commit?
#7 Would you consider a parent who put their kids in a room with a poison fruit and told the kids not to eat it but then also put the best con artist in the room with the children knowing the con artist will get the kids to eat the fruit and the parent does nothing to stop it an objectively moral parent?
Category error in comparison.
God is not a human. God is the Source of all things good beyond time space and matter.
Yes there's an objective morality. That comes from God who is the foundation of all things we see and can become aware of.
@@nathanielalderson9111 I dont think you understand what the word objective means then. Math is objective, does it only apply to humans? Does 2+2 not equal 4 for god?
Would "love" or "relationship" EXIST,... if we do not have free will? Or would you happily "order" your spouse, child or puppy online, to arrive at your door perfectly "adoring" you? Would their preprogrammed "love" mean anything?
God gave Adam & Eve free will so that relationship and love could exist. We may not like the choices we have made with that free will,... but I don't blame God,... I look in the mirror.
What in the Gospel of John do you take exception to?
Tnx
@@pvmoore1154 Yes. Ya, if I had a choice between something that does not adore me and something that does, I am going to chose the one that does. Sure, it means a made a good purchase. There are many things in the bible I take exception to. But what REALLY bothers me is how so many christians turn into dishonest politicians and avoid answering my simple questions. Its like when I ask a muslim if its morally acceptable to sleep with a 9 year old if you married them and they dont answer the question and instead say something like well what about rebecca. I answered your questions, can you answer mine?
@macmac1022 I understand what objective is. You don't understand what God is.
I'll repeat what I wrote.
God, is.
from where.
All other things
Originate.
The moral laws come from God.
And yes there are duties.
God cannot contradict His nature.
But
The Lawgiver and Judge can suspend any law for any reason at any time in any way. Subject to "God cannot break His character."
There is no authority higher than God.
God operates in both the attribute of Mercy and of Justice. The issue comes from what you personally interpret as moral.
Another way to put it, "who do you think you are to tell God what to do?"
So because hard evidence is absent on how the universe got created the Iron age explanation from a book riddled with falsehoods and inconsistenties must be the only remaining viable answer... Wow! 😂
God is God. You chose Him, or not. Your arguments against God only exist because you need to defend your choice. And you only need to defend it, because you suspect that you are wrong.
Are you asserting that I can simply _choose_ that which I believe?
I'm defending my position because idiots want to vote their god in as the moral supreme of my country and make me follow their laws regardless of evidence on whether or not their law is useful or good.
The guy obviously never listened
Frank, Christianity teaches that Christians go to heaven when they die, and the unbeliever goes to hell. But Jesus taught that no one is in heaven (John 3:12-13) and that all the dead from Adam up to present day, the righteous and the wicked are still in their graves waiting for the return of Christ. (John 5:28-29)
Doesn't this make Christianity a false religion?
I think its important to understand the context of each verse as they are separate discussions. The first one is with a pharisee; Nicodemus. Jesus was explaining being born again to him and Nicodemus was struggling to understand it. He didnt get it in a physical sense since you cant go back into your mothers womb. But jesus was trying to explain it as spiritual and he still struggled. Jesus challenged him by saying he himself (Jesus) testified to be the son of God and Nicodemus still didnt believe him (v12). The point of the next verse (v13) is not to say that Jesus alone goes to heaven, but he was trying to display his authority; no one but him (the Son of Man) has gone into heaven AND come from heaven. He alone has been in heaven already and is here now on earth. Others have certainly gone to heaven, but who else has come from heaven back to earth? None except Jesus.
John 5 is a different conversation Jesus has with religious leaders in public after he heals someone on the Sabbath (which by their law is forbidden). They use this as a way to question and persecute him. Basically as a way to judge his actions. He responds by saying he only does what the Father tells him and uses v28-29 to talk about the later resurrection all will experience where he will judge the righteous and wicked through God's authority. It can be confusing, because it almost seems like hes saying all will just hangout in graves till its time to rise up. Almost like those who die are on 'pause' during all that time. But given how others verses talk being with God after death like 2 Corinthians 5:8, whats the deal?
The difference is about our physical bodies. Once we lose these physical bodies we will be somewhere spiritually. Its not like our existence is on pause after death, but it will be in a different form and realm. But God did design us to have physical bodies and he will restore those. There are various verses that mention this like Acts 3:21. The end goal is make a new earth (rev.21:1-2) and restore or resurrect our bodies in a new form.
So this is not proclaiming a false religion when viewed in context. One is a conversation about Jesus claiming a unique authority as the one who can walk in both worlds (heaven and earth) and the other is talking about the physical body resurrections that will happen to all when the new earth is being created. At least this is how I understand it.
I recommend you read chapters, not verses, while setting aside your own personal interpretation and stepping in to the perspective of the ones being spoken to. (Example John chapter 3 that would be 1st century Jewish Pharisees and Sadducees.)
@@scape211I think it is important to deal with actual FACTS when engaged in discussion. Are you aware of any FACT that suggests this Jesus was an actually person? Yes or no.
@@Theo_Skeptomai that depends on what you mean by facts. It sounds simple, but various people tend to expect certain kinds of evidence that isn't always available for someone who is thousands of years in the past.
I guess I will start with external sources for the existence of Jesus and see if that fits what you are looking for:
1. Tacitus is widely regarded as the greatest historian of the Roman Empire. He is thought to have used his sources responsibly, and that his basic accuracy is impeccable. In his *Annals*, XV, 44, he mentions Christians as a religious group and names their founder as "Chrestus" who was executed by Pontius Pilate when Tiberius was emperor. He is obviously getting his information from sources, but he speaks of the historical existence of the founder of Christianity as having been executed by Pilate.
2. Josephus several times in his writings mentions a historical Jesus, the brother of James, whom people followed, who was crucified, who is called the Messiah (Christos). While the accuracy of Josephus is much debated, and though some passages in his writings are considered to have been redacted, at least some of the mentions of Jesus are widely regarded as authentic, doubted by only a few minimalist scholars.
3. The James Ossuary. A bone box has surfaced inscribed with "James, son of Joseph, brother of Jesus." While the Israeli Archaeology Society pronounced it a fake, many scholars have evaluated their assessment and disagree with the IAS, considering the inscription to be authentic, and to probably refer to Jesus of Nazareth.
4. Thallus, a historian writing in about AD 50, is quoted by Julius Africanus (in AD 221) as mentioning darkness on the day of the Passover when Christ died. The reference is highly debated as to its authenticity, but every possibility becomes part of the total picture of what we have.
5. Ignatius (in about AD 100) mentions the historical Jesus.
6. Suetonius, another Roman historian (in about AD 100), also mentions a "Chrestus" who was the founder of the Christian movement.
7. Pliny the Younger (about AD 100) mentions that, regarding the persecution of Christians, they are prompted to "curse Christ." Three times he mentions a man named Christ, who was the founder of the Christian sect.
These are a few. There are others. Generally speaking, nearly all scholars agree he was a historical figure who lived during the 1st century AD.
@scape211 Let's examine these extra-biblical sources one at a time for they are ALL nonsense. I have several straightforward questions for you.
Have you actually read _Annals_ (or _Histories)_ by CT? Yes or no.
This is nonsense. Any argument that points to the logical impossibility of Dr. Turek's God is an argument against his God. But such an argument must necessarily be about what Dr. Turek believes about his God, because otherwise he could just deflect by saying "yeah, but that doesn't apply to my God". Therefore it is not a matter of "stealing" from his God, when critics talk about the characteristics of his God, but rather about carefully remaining within the borders of what Dr. Turek himself says he believes about his God in order to demonstrate how that specific God is illogical, or impossible, or contradicts other beliefs Dr. Turek admits having.
Frank to me seem like a dishonest person the way he present his argument he gave a few argument from the other side then said it complaints. Knowing that the other side doesn’t try to prove anything, it on his side of the argument that make claim into reality that not there and they just trying to point the obvious view you get reading the book in a naturalistic literally way of how we understand reality nowadays. I get what Frank saying without these argument/complaints these idea wouldn’t be there without God. But with our understanding of knowledge nowadays we look into scholars and apologetic conversation to get the depth of these topics. But with so many great mind attacking these question threw out history and even nowadays. So far we only get metaphorical truth through these books ,we don’t have evidence to really prove it a true story we have pieces of the story written and seem to be parallel with some of the mythology story out there
These are clearly not the only objections against your Bible and God. And no they are not stolen from God Franky boy.
But moral values are ingrained in your heart by God that is how you know wrong from right.
@0i7PX72Nga no they are not. They are taught to you by parents and others in your environment.
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Hey Bonesy boy, so your parents taught you your morals?
Your morals aren't subjective then?
@JamesWatson-h4h Not all parents raise their kids with proper moral values, and even then, some grow up to become morally good because it is written in everybody's heart, you have the choice.
@@JamesWatson-h4h
Hey bonesy, I have to be honest, all this time I thought you were a lab leak, my bad 🤦♂️.
Jesus Christ told me he wasn't a real person, but to play it nice, as people piss on me and then say Jesus will help me
Confused about your statement.
@@aikofujita2420 I begged God to save my life, but our greater mind spoke to me, it revealed the secrets, but don't tell anyone
His whole argument is a straw man. The objections may sound like complaints, but they’re really contradictions in Christian doctrine and ethics. By framing it this way, Turek is promoting the “mad at God” stereotype.
There are no contradictions
@@matthewhjort5021There are dozens of direct contradictions occuring the bible.
Oh good grief Frank, and to any of his followers who would like to reply.
How could reality be the way it is with the presence of God? Can Frank or any of his followers explain how reality could be the way it is with the presence of God to the same degree and depth they would want me to explain it, but without the presence of God? Why not show me what that explanation looks like?
If not then why the swaggering and the hypocrisy, acting as if you can explain it?
For that sort of thing, go to Dr. Bill Craig's videos. But, regarding the 'depth and degree to which I would like for YOU to explain it': I *DON'T.* The stuff that ill-informed little pseudo-intellectuals (such as the typical anti-theist/New-Atheist) spout is, at the VERY BEST, just stuff for me to LAUGH-AT. You people are absolute OAFS and JOKES in the science, history, philosophy, theology, and BASIC REASONING departments, to me. 😏
@@johnharrison6745
If you are going to insist that I go watch a bunch of videos that impress you, then can I suggest that you go watch a bunch of counter videos that impress me?
//I DON'T.//
Is that because WLC does not explain it to the same depth and degree he would expect an atheist to explain it? And that is why, all you have to offer is:-
a. telling me to go watch some unspecified videos of WLC, and
b. telling me that you think I am an oaf?
//You people are absolute OAFS and JOKES in the science, history, philosophy, theology, and BASIC REASONING departments, to me. 😏//
O.k.
But I hope you don't think that I should feel ashamed of myself given what you just said about me?
PS. Is your post an example of what we often call "righteous indignation"?
There are thousands of books written over thousands of years explaining how reality can be the way it is with the presence of God, addressing objections related to human suffering, animal suffering, natural evil, personal evil, the hiddenness of God, and much more.
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There are thousands of books written on all kinds of things, including books on why the (various versions of the) Christian God does not exist, or why various theologies concerning him are wrong.
So should you be impressed by what I wrote, or not? If not, then why should I be impressed by the thousands of books you say exist?
Can YOU show me what that explanation looks like or not?
^^ As you can see I have matched your "there are thousands of books" with my own "there are thousands of books".
@@rolandwatts3218 You misunderstand the point of my reply. I wrote what I did because you seemed to imply that no one or hardly anyone has attempted to explain how reality can exist the way it is with the presence of God. You may not find these explanations persuasive, but that doesn't mean explanations haven't been offered.
God is a mushroom is no more nonsensical than "they" are three people so, you shouldn't be too snooty in response to someone suggesting that because, your doctrine of men & demons, the trinity, is just as carnal is what that man said about Jesus.
"... nor do they give evidence based accounts of how reality could be the way it is in the bases of God", don't want to speak form what he has heard or not, but if he has actually talked to skeptics then that is false. I hearo so many explanations for why everything exist and is the way it is without a God being involved. Are we just going to ignore the entire existence and arguments of Humanistic Judaism or Secular Buddhism? On the other hand, I have not heard any good arguments fore the existence of God, and yes I have listed to all kinds of people, but at least I can admit that I saw attempts at arguments.
I hate Frank Turek
Why, because he speaks the truth?
@@jacquesw8725Because he's a lying asshat