Supporting Actor Spotlights - Norbert Grupe
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 ก.ย. 2024
- Norbert Grupe, otherwise known by his stage name Wilhelm von Homburg, is perhaps best known in the world of film as Vigo the Carpathian in Ghostbusters II. This video is considered an unofficial companion piece to an article written by SHaun Raviv about Norbert's troubled life and career.
The link to the article can be found here: deadspin.com/t...
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I actually grew up around Wilhelm in the 80’s and early 90’s. Being a kid from south central Los angles and grandson of a professional fighter named Henry Davis, I was always meeting boxers. Wilhelm was always a nice guys around us. One night in 89 ( I think), Wilhelm brought over a video cassette tape and said “ This is for you Rick!” I went and put it in the video player and it was a finished cut of Ghostbusters 2 3 weeks before it was to come out! The next day I had about 25 kids over watching GB2 in my grandmothers room 😆. All the things I saw in this short documentary Wilhelm never showed that side. RIP Wilhelm
Why did he end up being a homeless? do u know it?
Did he shown you any videos of him raping his father's wife & subsequently fathering his step sister?
Hmmm... the frank story he tells about him in Hollywood might explain why he is trashed in the after death articles. Even in this video they use all this words against him while showing no evidence to support them. It really seems he was screwed all his life.
Wow, that was a cool story. Thank you. 😮
Well Herzog worked with Klaus Kinski so Norbert Grupe should be a walk in the park.
If you put Norbert Grupe and Klaus Kinski in the same room, I'm pretty sure you'd trigger the apocalypse.
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[14] And THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH , and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
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He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
@@troyschulz2318 No, because Norbert was the better boxer ...waaaay better... but, when Kinski screams then ...
Grupe was literally one of the best boxers of his weight class in his prime. I'm sure Kinski wouldn't last a minute with him.
Best comment! 😂😅😅
This movie scared the shit out of me as a kid PRECISELY because of Norbert's painting character. Terrified.
Are you saved? If you died tonight would you go to heaven or hell?
The Gospel, which means the Good News is the news that God Almighty, the Creator came in the flesh as Jesus Christ to take away the sin of the world. The one God is a trinity of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. The Son came and laid down his own life to save ours. His sacrifice on the cross paid the price for our redemption with his own blood. On the third day he rose from dead and offers the gift of salvation and forgiveness to those that repent and trust in him. Although God's creation was created perfect, having no death, sickness and disease, the creation became corrupted through Adam and Eve in them disobeying God. In this rebellion the creation became fallen through the curse of sin and mankind became separated from God. This world is fallen, but God offers reconciliation to him through his provision at the cross. Ultimately God will restore his creation to perfection when he returns but those that who reject his offer of redemption will remain condemned by their sins and go to hell.
John 1:1,14 KJV
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and THE WORD WAS GOD.
[14] And THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH , and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
John 1:10 KJV
He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
Same for years.....
What a fascinating character.
And what an iconic northern accent he had, with lots of slang. In the rest of Germany, that accent is attributed to rough fishermen, biker gangs and a generally stoic attitude.
I actually really like the northern "Fishkopp" accent a lot. :)
Cool bio. I never knew any of this about this guy. As regards The Wrestler, maybe Robert Siegel saw the documentary about him when writing the Wrestler script. The similarities are very close.
As an aside, Peter MacNicol who was in Ghostbusters 2 is also wonderful, particularly his role on the series 24.
Personally I loved Peter in the series NUMBERS. He was phenomenal in that.
Oh Johnny did you back the wrong horse, Ray would you slime him please
@@leejones8582 Hose 'em!
The reason Norbert Grupe wasn't told about his fathers death was he allegedly went to the, hospital where his father lay dying and verbally abused his sister and dying father. his sister didnt tell him about his fathers passing as a result of his behaviour.
Very interesting episode this. Glad you're not only showing bright side actors
As a German who watched and read a lot about the 60/70s in Hamburg. This one is a treat. Btw The Hentschel Slap has legendary status in germany. You‘ll find a lot of germans who can lipsync the clip.
The hardest Punch was Hentschels Death in the legendary Ritze , downstairs where a Boxing -Gym...meet from the WHO IS who😅in Box . The Ritze from Hanne kleine.....He Hang himself there ON..RIP Hentschel -pimp.
Watching this again and I can't help but feel pity for the man
Excellent short and concise study of the man. Well done.
Hell Yeah this was the one I've been waiting for
I truly hope one day that Brandon can relaunch this series on quirky, eccentric & often times misunderstood & under written about character actors in the mainstream. A lot of them have often times led _VERY_ oddball, extreme & unique lives outside of the lime lite and few interactions with their fans. So documenting them online is a way to keep interest in them going.
If Brandon does relaunch this series in the future with a different name, or if he ever buys back its original title, I'd love for him to do one on the late/great stuntman & character actor Ted White. He's actually had two books written about him. He led a fascinating life, career-wise.
His story reads like a bizzaro world version of Arnold Schwarzenegger. His performance in Stroszek is quite remarkable and shows the potential he had if he had gotten his demons under control. In the end, I feel sorry for him as it seems the psychological trauma of his mother's abandonment created an angry and bitter person. It's also probable he suffered untreated brain trauma like CTE from the years of boxing and wrestling.
Guys amazing, great video. Scared the bejesus outta me as a kid in Ghostbusters II.
Man, sad backstory. It's always fascinating what's going on behind those personalities, especially ones in wrestling. Also, can you do a video on Cary-Hiroyuki Tagawa.
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He looked like Vigo the older he got.
That`s because he physically portrayed Vigo. Max Von Sydow just dubbed over the voice because Norbert/Wilhelm`s English was so shitty at the time. As was his attitude on set!
The way you say Carpathian makes me believe you've NEVER even seen Ghostbusters 2.
Actually, that is how Romanians and Moldavians pronounce it. With the soft a.
As a german myself I knew him for quite a while & also about his boxing career but sadly i never watched "Der Box Prinz" yet. I had no idea Norbert had such a strong northern german accent. It kinda suited him quite well. I still remember having heard of his death and was really saddened by the news :( I think the "Non" interview, where he refused to say a damn word, is still one of the most boss moments ever.
Really enjoying these little docos, you do your research and you give really good insight into these actors that we all know but but don't really know.
I have a suggestion for consideration if you have not done one on her. Miriam Margolyes, she would be a perfect part of the series.
R.I.P Norbert Grupe
Oh, that painting gave me nightmares. It's still scary!
One thing I will say about him is that he had a lot of screen presence. In Ghostbusters 2 he was literally just a picture for most of the film
Great work 👍
Thanks for this great doc. His story would make a fascinating biopic. What a wild life.
Fascinating. And so sad.
Wow..... Still scares the crap out if me as vigo. Even now 😂
Here very late, but The Wrestler comparison was perfect.
Isn’t in uncanny??
It is pretty scummy of them to keep the fact that they changed his voice from him. I would have stormed out too if I only found out about it at the opening night.
masterpiece thank you
Hey, sometime, someplace, in his life, he was likely nice to a little kid or something .. And there was nobody there to record it. That's how ya should remember people.
11:53 I have his former girlfriend sitting next to me. Norbert Grupe was nothing in private life then this scene. He was very caring, a provider and someone who people could really build on. Everybody could trust him, he was beyond cheap scraping for monies.
In private life he knew a lot of famous and socially important people in Germany.
He was absolutely not aggresive in private life. And civilised, that's why all these famous people connected with him. So to answer your question if he was in prive just as rude as on the screen/ring, : No he wasn't, he was the opposite and very civilised.
Sam J Jones, Andy McDowell, David Prowse and this fella are all high profile examples of having your voice re dubbed by another actor. It would be a horrible realisation. Imagine if they brought their family along!
I also think being punched in the head a lot contribute to this kind of behavior. Probably a lot of chemical imbalances going on from being a boxer. I notice this kind of behavior from professional athletes who fall under the boxer/wrestling category.
I was only 8 years old when I first saw Ghostbusters II back in the day when it first came out & that dude scared the crud outta me in it.
wow. never knew. dudes a legend in england i guess. seems like a guy born 100 yrs too late
Okay think this for second. Norbert Grupe, 6'3 225 Pro Wrestler, took up acting became famous for Vigo the Carpathian, Now imagine, Vigo the Carpathian vs THE UNDERTAKER. What a Paranormal gimmick match that could have been. Both would sit up like the dead after getting knocked down but have totally different Brawl Styles in the ring. If booked right and played right, that would have been big money for Taker and Norbert, cause Vigo vs Taker would have been great.
It astonishes me how in that interview the reporter is so inept at reading his face and body language and even in the wording in the questions he is asking him. He's talking down to him in every question and he is just sitting there stewing in anger. Then he begins patronizing him about how he looks. Was he trying to get fucking decked!?
4:21 That guy in the Ghostbusters II on the living painting,is Norbert Grupe, een grootheid als man en karaktervolle levensgenieter. Its Norbert Grupe, very good showman/german star in the 60's? Professional boxer/entertainer, I know his (ex) girlfriend, we hang out, she is 70 but still hardcore, hahaha
In contrary to his wild and bad? reputation it was one of the kindest and giving people she met. True greatness she said. Hamburg.
Pretty sure the connections to the Wrestler were no accident
I liked him in the movie Ghostbusters 2. I was 7 years old (2 months before my 8th birthday) when he passed away.
Dang! What a guy. No mother in his life.
He drank and did the drugs to try and fill the whole in his heart. He hung out with badasses and became one. I had a cousin like this. His father left when he was a kid. He was big and he pretended to be bad until he became bad. I hung around him for awhile , but thought this is fun until we got into the real stuff, dope smoking, pills, beer drinking, pool halls, fights, women.
I moved out to California ..
He found a wife and had kids.
I wish mention would have been made of "Diggstown"... always liked his sad nd silent part...
Absolutely fantastic, your best video !
I know that once you've finished re-uploading these episodes you're likely not going to make more but I'd love an episode on John Glover
Brandon said he and Kenny are gonna make more episodes, a new one about Clint Howard it forthcoming!
@@davidshi451 aw Hell yeah
But aren't we all just tragic creatures and tragic lives? In retrospect some memories happy and some sad dewy infect outlive our reputations or do the detriments of our existence come to haunt us even after the reaper tolls our Bell? I just made that up. I hope someone reads it. I'm probably plagiarizing Macbeth or something similar to that LOL.
As an actor he reminds me a lot to Tom Hardy. Great video, interesting life. "Maybe, he was just an asshole" - I doubt, based on the whole context of his life. He was a great Vigo in GBII, they should have told him the redubbing. He still did a great role there. Vader's body actor is just a puppet for the custom, but he as Vigo was the monster in with his appearance.
i enjoy these videos !
It’s pronounced Car-PAY-thian
I wish all documentaries were half as good as this. And this series. And this film maker.
How very interesting!!!!! I enjoy learning factoids such as these. Tragic. Indeed.
another beautiful looking man in his younger years.
Thank you for not using dub overs and going for subtitles. I hate that
Agreed. I've always preferred subtitles.
He will always be Vigo to me
Great video, where did you get the subtitled version of his documentary?
Der Boxprinz / GERD KROSKE is on VIMEO but it has no subtitles. Would like to see it with subtitles since I don't understand German. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
An interesting man.
He was Born in Hamburg, Not Berlin
This is the one that made me subscribe to the channel
Even though I know this video is about Norbert Grupe, when you said "This is the exception to that rule" (about only making videos about performers you care about) and the frame was on Peter MacNicol I got a little worried lol.
This series has some SAS!
heartbreaking
When I was a kid he was the coolest rebellius boxer in Germany.But in the 70 those boxing guys became pimps and drugpins because nobody was interrested in boxing anymore expect of mobsters.When I saw the" Boxprinz" some 10 years ago I felt realy sorry for him.
Sad...
Diggstown?
>>> Applauds
Back in the day, Norbert grupe stole my lunch money.Bastard.
After watching this “How bout a little music....”
It would actually be interesting to watch and look at images of Wilhelm Von Homburg Behind The Scenes Of Ghostbusters 2 During The Filming Of The Movies Showdown And Climax And What It Must Have Been Like For Wilhelm To Be Walking Around In That Heavy Suited Armor As The Evil And Tyrannical Warlock Vigo The Carpathian Throughout Those Very Last Scenes Involving His Last Appearances And Also If There Were Any sort of interviews with him and How Must Have Possibly Felt With Playing The Role Of Vigo Which Would Definitely Be Very Very Interesting To Both See And Watch !
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off topic but am i crazy or has youtube added A LOT more videos between the video and the comments>
He could have been so much more, perhaps he should have changed his name again. So what became of Rona?
does anyone know where to find the der boxprinz documentry with english subtitles?
Have you done Ken Leoung. Asian stunt guy from every 80s action movie!?
Seemed like a pretty cool dude to me. Shame was that he was born into this shitty world and not Mad Max 2 world.
This guy looks like tom hardy
What a complicated man. I wonder if he was actually a cool person but I'm not sure. That's how complicated he is to me.
Damn, we share a birthday.
His lines are even better if you understand the German. Richer than the subtitles give credit for
Nice video, but I can't really get over the fact that you keep pronouncing Grupe as though it were Spanish, even though you can hear the correct pronunciation in the German clips... Also, I don't really buy into the idea that he wasn't just putting on an act (i.e. kayfabe) in all those salty interviews...
Isn't he Wilhelm von homburg? I'm confused
Ok that was a stage name
Also, Vigo the Butch
What? Vigo is a German Actor?
Nice, what a gangster. Im sitting here with his ex girlfriend Petra. Hahahaah, can you imagine. This guy was a legit legend.
I’m not a good person. When I heard the guy who punched the homeless person hung himself, I was glad. Imagine the horrible things he did in private.
That was incasso Henry!
I'm glad, too. And I'm glad Nobert's dead as well. Absolutely horrendous people.
Mit Deutsch Untertitelt... einstellen!!!?
Real-life Bakugo.