NASCAR Drops the Hammer

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  • @TankSlappr
    @TankSlappr 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +273

    Suspending Austin Dillon's win from playoff eligibility is an indirect admission from NASCAR that the system is extremely flawed and encourages dangerous behavior.

    • @bobbyblair8478
      @bobbyblair8478 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +24

      @@TankSlappr Absolutely correct. No truer words here.

    • @PaperBanjo64
      @PaperBanjo64 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

      But yet they'll never get rid of playoffs, stages, and green-white-checkers or this garbage car that has done more harm than good since it debuted.

    • @jacobboenzi3222
      @jacobboenzi3222 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

      Is it too late to retroactively penalize Newman for what he did to Larson at Phoenix in 2014, Harvick causing a big one at Talladega in 2015, and other similar incidents? Dillon's actions may have been the most egregious but it wasn't the first time we've seen that type of behavior and certainty won't be the last as long as this playoff format exists.

    • @2639theboss
      @2639theboss 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      ​@@PaperBanjo64 Does the fanbase actually want that?
      Theres a nonzero portion of the fanbase that wants all sorts of crap like this. I have no idea if theyre a minority, a majority, etc.

    • @whalesequence
      @whalesequence 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      You got that right

  • @JOHANNESwhoelse
    @JOHANNESwhoelse 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +125

    To paraphrase Canadian philosopher Pizzasubcombo regarding decisions taken under Brian Frances leadership: "Nascar has still not apologised for the playoff format that was the idea of a guy, who at the time was probably coked out of his mind."

    • @DR3ADER1
      @DR3ADER1 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      But why apologise, when you can give arbitrary bans and suspensions that distract people from the core problem? That's NASCAR thinking right there.

    • @BAndersen-ee1xy
      @BAndersen-ee1xy 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@DR3ADER1. Arbitrary? Seemed quite specific and deserved to me.

    • @The_Doug124
      @The_Doug124 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      No no no, dude was noooddddiiing on oxies 😂

    • @samuelmceachern3686
      @samuelmceachern3686 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I love seeing an Austin reference in here - he’s a legend

    • @MrCarrera28
      @MrCarrera28 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Comment of the day 😆🤣

  • @codileger4876
    @codileger4876 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +32

    Why was the driver not suspended. Elton admitted intent was there

    • @hiddenjocelyn1088
      @hiddenjocelyn1088 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      because there will be fans who watch and buy tickets to see Austin Dillon, their favorite driver race. Nobody cares about the spotter. Besides, the spotter told Austin to wreck Denny Hamlin.

    • @mitchsmith1268
      @mitchsmith1268 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@hiddenjocelyn1088
      That’s racing ❤️it

  • @stewpuddy4161
    @stewpuddy4161 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +68

    Back when the guy who earned the most points in a 36 race schedule won the championship this would have been a whole lot easier to police. In fact, it never would have happened.

    • @PaperBanjo64
      @PaperBanjo64 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      There's a massive difference between hard racing like Darlington spring 2003 and this...and NASCAR is desperately trying to recreate the magic of that when modern gen 7 cars drive NOTHING like gen 4 cars did and so many great finishes happened during gen 4...the amount of amazing last lap passes declined with the Car Of Tomorrow...Darlington 2003 came down to both cars handling like shit on old tires, Kurt's car handling even worse due to power steering failure, and 2 drivers HUNGRY for a win and neither willing to let it slip away.

    • @Nemofishman
      @Nemofishman 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      more so, the top 4 are just 21 points from each other. Factoring in stages, it's about 1/2 a race of points on average.

  • @jordynpropst8915
    @jordynpropst8915 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

    Wouldnt getting rid of the front stretch interview stop children spouses etc from trying to get across pit in order to get to the winner? In the case of Dillons family, if this was 10 years ago they would all be headed to greet him in VL behind the wall & out of harms way.

  • @FlyersinHD
    @FlyersinHD 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +36

    Post race penalties being the most consistent part of both IndyCar and NASCAR this season is certainly something I did not expect

    • @GrandpaShark
      @GrandpaShark 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      So you like F1 & Indycar disqualifying race winners days or months later...

  • @BrandonNMRogue
    @BrandonNMRogue 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +30

    They probably didn’t take the actual win away because it opens up a can of worms on who would be awarded the win. If you use precedent it would go to Denny, but what about Joey who also got taken out. This penalty avoids that issue without letting Dillon benefit from the penalty.

    • @RyTrapp0
      @RyTrapp0 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      TBH, can't blame them a bit for choosing to avoid that situation, even if the win obviously deserves to be removed😆

  • @18S12
    @18S12 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    I completely agree with their decision here. The 3 wasn’t even close enough to bump the 22 up the track and he right rear hooked the 11.

  • @EllaGP22
    @EllaGP22 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    I think we can always nitpick what they didn’t get 100% right but this decision is a HUGE step in the right direction and I think we need to praise NASCAR for finally taking action where they haven’t in the past.

  • @michaelgomez3044
    @michaelgomez3044 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    I think they took the playoff berth away because they didn't want other drivers to attempt desperation moves to make the playoffs.

  • @terrencedorgan2123
    @terrencedorgan2123 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +54

    In NASCAR‘s defense, it’s only been a few years since they’ve had really full access to SMT data like they do now

    • @lichazeakel1126
      @lichazeakel1126 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      This. It makes it hard for drivers to lie about things they do on track. The data doesn't lie.

    • @jonmortensen1617
      @jonmortensen1617 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      How long will it take for NASCAR start giving time penalties that could move a winner of the race down the racing order? The FIA and IndyCar seem to be more severe in actually punishing drivers who do something not allowed in the regulations - could that be because NASCAR hasn't gotten to the point when it needs a 1400 page document to list the technical regulations and another 1,000 page document listing the sporting regulations?

    • @lichazeakel1126
      @lichazeakel1126 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@jonmortensen1617 I think the reason why F1, Indy car, FIA, etc. are more severe and more quick is because those are open wheel vehicles. They are way more dangerous in a wreck then a stock car.

  • @fredwalker3374
    @fredwalker3374 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    Dillon should be pissed at steenhouse his stupid move screwed him out of a easy win

    • @kg0173
      @kg0173 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      But he did it regardless in the most beautiful way!

  • @sumoneelse6881
    @sumoneelse6881 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    I despise the GWCs and the overtime crap.
    The playoffs are a direct assault on the integrity of the sport. This statement from NASCAR is insulting

  • @joeljohnson3515
    @joeljohnson3515 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    Please reference Richard Petty’s 1983 Fall Charlotte win with the illegal engine (win 198).
    They fined him, but kept the win.

  • @79JamesC
    @79JamesC 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Maybe I need to start following Indy cars more

    • @PaperBanjo64
      @PaperBanjo64 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      That's what I did in 2015 but came back to NASCAR in 2020, but now I barely watch and when I do it turns into a farce...I'm happier with IndyCar and Formula 1 is actually competitive now.

    • @Takingyoutojail
      @Takingyoutojail 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@PaperBanjo64ok?
      We’re glad you’re gone

  • @Cypressbayou
    @Cypressbayou 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    It was the comments of the spotter that got Dillon into deep doggy doo.

  • @d.d.7287
    @d.d.7287 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +34

    "Playoffs?... Don't talk about playoffs..."

  • @aarontalksculture4946
    @aarontalksculture4946 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +38

    Austin, your ill gotten gains have been revoked. 🤣👏🏾

    • @chrismarco17
      @chrismarco17 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      The silver spoon has been yanked from his mouth and chucked into the sun

    • @scottmeredith3359
      @scottmeredith3359 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

      No they haven’t, on paper he’s still the “winner” of the race. Should have been the win and playoff eligibility. NASCAR prefers their drivers show as little talent as possible on track

    • @aarontalksculture4946
      @aarontalksculture4946 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@scottmeredith3359 True. In my opinion they should have placed him as the last car on the lead lap and suspended him 1 week.

  • @kben24
    @kben24 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    This helps the integrity of NASCAR’s championship slightly… but it destroys any credibility left in playoff system. He won the race. He should be in the playoffs whether NASCAR likes it or not…

  • @thegreattreon0177
    @thegreattreon0177 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +52

    Even NASCAR with their wannabe pro wrestling sports entertainment mindset couldn't let this slide. They absolutely did not want the bad press they would've received if nothing was done

    • @mattcecil6692
      @mattcecil6692 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Well they have got bad press and they aren’t going to get away with it. NASCAR criticism has been a long time coming and now is the time to hammer them so some changes are made from a safety perspective.

    • @kevinlamprecht9174
      @kevinlamprecht9174 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

      You are correct the best way to do this is to make single file starts the norm again. Nobody can touch anybody during the race. Nobody is allowed to go faster than 35 mph. That would make racing safer. Now if someone touches fenders black flag. Over 35 mph black flag. That will keep them safer.

  • @EricAlexander-ry7ks
    @EricAlexander-ry7ks 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Yet to be seen exactly what they do but NASCAR has to keep civilians or pedestrians off of pit road. And not just like Mr. Sawyer said the "hot side" but from the pits all together. I'm sure everyone on the team would appreciate that. They can't like wives & girlfriends (or babies) on the pit box. That has to be a distraction. I don't know how this happened but it needs to be stopped. IMO

  • @oskydave
    @oskydave 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +20

    Did someone say integrity and NASCAR in the same post?

  • @since1961
    @since1961 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    Penalize Ricky Spingate? 4 altering the finish?😮

  • @stanbrow
    @stanbrow 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    I agree with you. It makes no sense to me to NOT take the win away.

  • @DennyDeliversYT
    @DennyDeliversYT 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +19

    i wonder if nascar will add jeff gordon to the playoffs now…

  • @joeypooschke7914
    @joeypooschke7914 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    I think Elton Sawyer was a little bit vague just because he knew that RCR would protest the decision. And since NASCAR decision was said RCR as already came out and said they are going to protest the decision.

  • @Paradox_Of_Crota
    @Paradox_Of_Crota 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    This actually happened in 2017 with, ironically, Joey Logano when he won Richmond Spring and then got penalized. That's why he didn't make the playoffs that year.

    • @Nemofishman
      @Nemofishman 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      though to be fair, after that encumbered win, he REALLY fell off. finishes of 32, 37, 21, 25, 23, 3, 12, 35, 8, 35, 8, 37, 4, 27, 24, 28, 13, 18, and 2. A finish of 20.53, and his only 3 DNFs of the season as well.

  • @LessGo7921
    @LessGo7921 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +30

    Best part of all of this is Silver Spoon is back to 31st in the points 😂

  • @bobbyblair8478
    @bobbyblair8478 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +62

    This was the right call. That being said this has to be the new rule or precedent going forward.
    Next time something like this happens there needs to be similar penalties for those actions.

    • @genemaverick5705
      @genemaverick5705 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      It’s bullshit , Joey and Denny has done the exact same thing to other drivers and nothing was done to them !!

    • @CrewGuyPJ
      @CrewGuyPJ 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@genemaverick5705 stop crying. this isnt about the 11 or the 22..its about the 3 doing his carson hackovar impersonation.

    • @mitchsmith1268
      @mitchsmith1268 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@genemaverick5705
      💯correct

    • @genemaverick5705
      @genemaverick5705 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@CrewGuyPJ no it’s about the 22 getting a dose of his own medicine and crying about it , the 11 wrecked himself , but he’s done same thing to others and neither 11 or 22 has any ring happen to them !! So you STFU !!

  • @tedhalpin4532
    @tedhalpin4532 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    David, you do a great job with both IndyCar and NASCAR. Always appreciate your candid thoughts and opinions. Regarding the payoff decision versus the win decision, this was done to appease a big sponsor and RCR. Glad to see that NASCAR officials did something. Keep up the good work!

  • @michaelsonnon2333
    @michaelsonnon2333 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +22

    Restrictor plates. The Car Of Tomorrow. The "chase" format. Playoffs. Stage racing.
    Like the commercial says, this isn't your fathers NASCAR anymore.
    Hell, it isn't anyone's NASCAR anymore.
    It isn't even NASCAR anymore.
    The collapsing TV ratings and empty seats prove it.

    • @mitchsmith1268
      @mitchsmith1268 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@michaelsonnon2333
      You hit the nail on the head
      🖕NASCAR I’m done after this one
      TV ratings show how no one is watching them anymore
      I’m more about the dirt races now on Flo Racing

  • @ZPaul_
    @ZPaul_ 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    “OMG! It’s happening! Everybody stay calm”

  • @vfr800anon5
    @vfr800anon5 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Should’ve stripped the win. But I see why they didn’t. He DID cross the line first after all.

  • @josephfutrell5619
    @josephfutrell5619 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    I think that it was important to get rid of playoff eligibility at mininium so they did get that right. I would have liked to see NASCAR park Dillon for a race or two for the intentional wrecking of Hamlin (clearly intentional) and Logano (probable based on entry speed). Intentional wrecking is a suspension level offense in the past and seems appropriate to avoid having drivers put themselves, the field, and the spectators at risk.

  • @user-mt8ht3pr6j
    @user-mt8ht3pr6j 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +21

    NASCAR is the wwe of racing

    • @Marko137-em8nx
      @Marko137-em8nx 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Wwe is good

    • @LightningWolf127
      @LightningWolf127 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      More like the AEW

    • @joseNunez-yh5ro
      @joseNunez-yh5ro 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Is F1 is the Olympic Equestrian or Polo of racing.

    • @jeffhardin657
      @jeffhardin657 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I call it wow.
      .

    • @zeropoint216
      @zeropoint216 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Don't besmirch the WWE like that

  • @drumjedi5301
    @drumjedi5301 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    I agree with the call. Austin had the win in the bag until the "Wrecky" with 2 to go. Let him keep the win. However, intentionally walling two cars right at the line is too much.
    That said, NASCAR had a hand in causing this. The playoffs and "win and you're in" set scenarios like this and the Hail Melon up.

  • @angryroy6277
    @angryroy6277 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Well then! Now get rid of the playoffs and stage racing and we're in business.

  • @noone7206
    @noone7206 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

    Surprised NASCAR had the guts to do this

    • @TheSaturnV
      @TheSaturnV 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Just the opposite. They are cowards that used this to slime their way out of everyone seeing how flawed their hokey "championship" is. I don't even care if my guy Larson wins this year, it's a bogus championship that means nothing.

  • @jacobboenzi3222
    @jacobboenzi3222 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

    Dillon should've been suspended at least one race but David made a great point near the end about how drivers prioritize getting into the playoffs more than simply winning a race. In that case, the penalty makes more sense even if I still don't fully agree with it. Dillon likely doesn't make the move he did without the "win and you're in" playoff format (which is one of many reasons why it should go away).

  • @fredjames9867
    @fredjames9867 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Least nascar did something so we have to appreciate that

  • @yeetmaster2473
    @yeetmaster2473 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Wow predicting the spotter would get suspended after he told his driver to intent wreck? How could you ever guess that???

  • @robertstone9988
    @robertstone9988 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    I still dont know whare the line is?

    • @Nismo-gy3wz
      @Nismo-gy3wz 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Its in the sand, lol

  • @f1yerondirt
    @f1yerondirt 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    So what would’ve happened if the 3 wrecked the 22 and 11 but not won the race? How heavy is the NASCAR hand in that situation?

  • @kanyecheedar9170
    @kanyecheedar9170 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    NASCAR continues its rapid degradation :(

    • @imrandarr1094
      @imrandarr1094 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It’s going through a resurgence actually. This one of those bad moments.

    • @kanyecheedar9170
      @kanyecheedar9170 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@imrandarr1094 V8 Supercars sounds like your cup of tea…

    • @imrandarr1094
      @imrandarr1094 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@kanyecheedar9170 I actually don’t watch V8 Supercars lol

  • @andrewvillegas7747
    @andrewvillegas7747 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Someone does something to Joey now all of a sudden its an issue lol Joey's intentional wreck on Will byron last year was much worse and more dangerous

  • @chrislorusso433
    @chrislorusso433 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +20

    Not a severe enough penalty. The precedent for hooking another car in the right rear corner into the outside wall is to park the offending driver for a race. They did that to Bubba Wallace and Chase Elliot for their hooking incidents.

    • @glynnkelly3432
      @glynnkelly3432 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      If that was what happened then it apply. But it didn’t happen, so it doesn’t apply. Hamlin came up the track. Even Hamlin said after reviewing the rear view camera.!!!

    • @TheSaturnV
      @TheSaturnV 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Agreed. Gooey Toupee should have been fined $250k and suspended for the next 2 races.

  • @binglamb2176
    @binglamb2176 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I can sort of see how NASCAR allows the win to stand. Otherwise, how do you determine who actually won? Would it be Joey Logano who would have won but for Dillon's move, Hamlin, or who else? It would be complicated.

  • @sumoneelse6881
    @sumoneelse6881 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Joey should have been suspended a race, too.

  • @jacekatalakis8316
    @jacekatalakis8316 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    I doubt Austin will win his way in again this year though, even Daytona. To me he's going to be the talking point of the season, no matter what happens at all between now and the checkered flag in Phoenix though

    • @TheSaturnV
      @TheSaturnV 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I kind of hope he does win Daytona and flip a gigantic bird to these ahole NAPCAR fat cats.

  • @LTSmash519
    @LTSmash519 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    As much as I respect David for his commitment and passion for pure racing, I truly think he is sometimes out of his depth on stock car racing, which is far from pure. But I believe for sure, it you're going to have such zaney rules, then taking away a win to elevate the 11 to the win would've been a bad move, and it's a move they don't have to make. I think Austin gets a bad wrap, but he's not dirty. He knows that the opportunity for him is not going to come around for a few years. Without the playoffs I think maybe we might have had the 22 thing but not the 11 thing. There also needs to be some kind of penalty from having these cars at the back, creating race altering cautions. There is no need for a gwc when the best car has checked out by 3 seconds. In a dream world, we would love to rewrite the rule book, but that will never happen.

  • @drdetroitwheels
    @drdetroitwheels 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    It's very unprecedented I've been Nascar has a problem with RCR usually what they do is they take points away monetary fine but they don't take away the win so I think they're wrong and I'm not an Austin Dillon fan I'm just saying it from the perspective of NASCAR and just like you I know a lot of the higher-ups in NASCAR

  • @PaperBanjo64
    @PaperBanjo64 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    Was it worth it Austin!?

    • @V10ViperSRT
      @V10ViperSRT 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      You bet, he has a win in the books a trophy and prize money

    • @PaperBanjo64
      @PaperBanjo64 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@V10ViperSRT true, but he's still 26th in points, not last in the playoffs...although both years with gen 7 cars the Richmond winner also won Michigan...so does Austin Dillon somehow win Michigan!?

  • @louislepage5111
    @louislepage5111 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    The #3 hat is a nice touch 😅

  • @arbysandtehchief5494
    @arbysandtehchief5494 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    If you're going to take the win away, you have to do it in the moment, at the track, that's how literally every other short track racing series in america does it. CARS tour just did it 2 weeks ago. So this is honestly the next best thing, and given their slow process the best outcome given the circumstances.
    In the moment, I think you take away the win and give it to Reddick because he crossed the line 2nd. Denny getting 2nd based on the scoring loop was an appeasement move cause they werent taking the win imo.

  • @jordansbackyardchickens
    @jordansbackyardchickens 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

    It’s crazy how Stenhouse, the person that intentionally wrecked Preece is going to walk away penalty free. Dillon had the race won cleanly and clearly before that, so in this case Stenhouse single-handedly changed the outcome of the entire series. How JTG cannot see that there are 2 series full of drivers more talented than Stenhouse, a CARS tour, heck even some go kart drivers are more talented than Stenhouse is insane to me.

    • @PaperBanjo64
      @PaperBanjo64 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      I don't see how Stenhouse has 2 back to back Xfinity championships and I watched him win both!

    • @jordansbackyardchickens
      @jordansbackyardchickens 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @@PaperBanjo64 Right, but paraphrasing Jack Roush after he let Wrecky go “I’m looking to not have so many torn up race cars”

    • @RacingFan48_
      @RacingFan48_ 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      In what way did stenhouse intentionally wreck preece😭

  • @FrankEPotts
    @FrankEPotts 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I can't believe NASCAR allows over the wall on pit road. I counted 3 babies and a handicapped NASCAR official.

  • @Chappers-hd3di
    @Chappers-hd3di 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I 100% called it dead on!! Let him enjoy his cheap win but dont rewaed him with a playoff spot.

  • @slysupersonic
    @slysupersonic 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

    At this point, I honestly am not as angry as I thought I would be. Richard Childress Racing is going through turmoil right now. 2024 has been a bad season for them both on and off the track. I don't blame Austin Dillon for trying to give his team at least one bright spot in the very dark season. And with what I've read about Dilon potentially moving to management in the next 2 years and Kyle Busch leaving the cup series to go race in the truck series, I doesn't surprise me. I think we are about to see the end of RCR in its current form as we have known it since 1969. RCR may soon be jumping into the same boat as Haas will be in next year.

    • @PaperBanjo64
      @PaperBanjo64 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      You think Richard will sell the team? I hope not but teams come and go.

  • @wolfpacva
    @wolfpacva 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    You sure did not have to look at the SMT data to know Austin was wrong that should have been an instant decision. Sawyer and NASCAR does not have a clue about anything anymore. They need real officials that have some balls. Taking wins away will stop this type of dirty racing.

  • @acidreign8551
    @acidreign8551 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Well it is something, but it is going to leave room in the future for a lot of grey area calls. They simply should have DQ'd him.
    A: Allowing him to keep the win and the purse means, he was still rewarded for his actions.
    B: The spotter gets suspended for three weeks. So if you talk over the radio about wrecking somebody, you get a suspension, but if you actually do wreck somebody, you get rewarded. I am confused here.
    C: So, if you do this to get a playoff berth, no bueno, but if you do it any other time it is okay? Is this where the "Line" is now? I am still confused after this as to where the "Line" actually is now.
    Scenarios: So next week if somebody who isn't locked in like KB for example pops someone in the ass and they hit the wall, but KB doesn't win the race but does gain point by say coming in P2, that is not a lock in for a playoff berth for the championship and that's okay? But, if that action contributes to him point wise of getting into the top 16 without a lock in, is it contestable later?
    That is just one scenario, i could come up with many many more. That invisible line is still invisible for me. NASCAR's decision didn't do anything to clarify this issue at all in my eyes.
    Logono, no brainer.
    Having worked at LVMS, let me tell you what happens when the big shows like NASCAR, NHRA, etc come in since i see a lot about why various people are in a hot pit when they shouldn't be. I have seen people saying that that's on the actual track personnel at the various tracks and events. That is not what happens. Actually track security/personnel are relegated behind the wall and have nothing to do with who is getting onto a hot track or the pit lanes. NASCAR, NHRA, etc have their own security people that take over the show, and us lowly yellow shirts, etc at any track are in the stands, the pits, etc but have no control over anything else really. For NASCAR it is on all those officials in the white fire suits. They control that, so that is on NASCAR and nobody else. Track security, etc is behind the wall and backs them up on that if needed. I know at LVMS we sure didn't have the personnel to get someone behind every pit stall and control that from the backside of the pit wall, and i don't know any track really that does. That whole thing with Logono is on those NASCAR officials in the white fire suits, just to clarify this.
    I could go on and on, but this is already a wall of text, so i am just hitting key points here. That invisible line is not any clearer, and while NASCAR did something, there will be more grey area calls down the line. Establishing or maintaining integrity of the sport? I really don't think this helped at all, it just brought some more questions and more confusion.

  • @luciushilliard6352
    @luciushilliard6352 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +18

    If they would have really thrown the hammer down, they would have revoked the win & suspended him like Bubba but the only hammer NASCAR uses is a Fisher-Price plastic one.

  • @MrBestshot33
    @MrBestshot33 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Imagine if an IndyCar driver purposely tanked another car. As an outsider who's only here because of David Land the IndyCar guy and as an IndyCar fan.... NASCAR won't truly fix this till one of those sadans flies into the crowd. Imo.

  • @stanbrow
    @stanbrow 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    So in NASCAR, you can wreck a competitor, and still get a win, purse. And trophy.

    • @CrewGuyPJ
      @CrewGuyPJ 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      nascar historically has let wins stand even if cheating occurred.

    • @jennyfletcher5573
      @jennyfletcher5573 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@CrewGuyPJ not with inspections Denny and KB sticker tape under the sponsor wrap at Pocono. Chase Elliott was declared the winner after post race inspections.

    • @jennyfletcher5573
      @jennyfletcher5573 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      But no playoff eligibility and loss of points driver and owner, and especially the couple of millions in bonus money. The trophy and purse money is really irrelevant.

    • @CrewGuyPJ
      @CrewGuyPJ 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@jennyfletcher5573 what has nascar allowed since then? Ill give you awhile to figure it out. Historically they let wins stand even if an infraction.

  • @yupyup3042
    @yupyup3042 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Taking away a win is more work and effort than NASCAR is willing to put themselves through. Taking points away to keep them out of the championship is simple and punishing enough to make the intentional crashes not worth it in the end. This is the correct move and im expecting some new rules for this siting safety concerns just like they did with the hail-melon move

  • @jacksonfilms3388
    @jacksonfilms3388 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    What a gutsy call but the right call

  • @bigdog6512
    @bigdog6512 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    So another word is. If Denny Hamlin or Joey would have done that like denny running kyle larson in the wall this yr. Or Joey wrecking a car for the win. You wouldn't them two getting a penalty. How many time have them two done that and never got penalty for it. Hell if that was dale earhart or tony stewart done that. You really think nascar would penalize them.

    • @runrafarunthebestintheworld
      @runrafarunthebestintheworld 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Logano has wrecked someone for a win an actually injured someone trying to win.

  • @NutZachs
    @NutZachs 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    This is the right decision, but it will be interesting going forward on how similar incidents will be viewed. Was it the fact he wrecked 2 cars for the win, that he probably entered 30-40 mph more than joey to get to him, that he turned down to hook Denny, maybe a combination of the 3? Will an incident where one driver wrecks only another be viewed the same? Either way, this will always be something brought up when someone spins someone else for a win, whether it's even close in severity to what Dillon did or not.

  • @PierreGaslyfan
    @PierreGaslyfan 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +20

    I think i speak for everyone, no one saw that coming ggs nascar 👏👏👏

    • @TheSaturnV
      @TheSaturnV 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      You don't speak for anyone. NAPCAR blew it again.

  • @AAABTonto
    @AAABTonto 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    NASCAR is a floating dumpster fire ................... 🏴

    • @AAABTonto
      @AAABTonto 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Just put i back the way you found it

  • @Man_in_BLKtruck1991
    @Man_in_BLKtruck1991 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    The more realistic reason to keep the win and not the playoff lock-in is I’d compare this with back in the day when a car would win but fail post race inspection. Every time they’d keep the win but for a fine and points penalty. That’s this. So for the driver that called Dillon’s embarrassment “Sr. Vibes” this has turned into “Jimmie Vibes” pretty quickly.

  • @lewiskemp5893
    @lewiskemp5893 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    This was the right call says this Dale fan. Not even Dale took out 2 people on last lap to win. But I understand why Dillon did it. But at least Johnny Morris got to see his special Bass Pro Shops car win

  • @tomchrisfield7348
    @tomchrisfield7348 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    I was wondering if Dillion's car was legal ? He had the only Chevy that was fast, seeing that RCR hasn't done much all year.

  • @ethantaube2512
    @ethantaube2512 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    I think Austin did not anything wrong. He should make the playoffs. Joey did alot worse

  • @IrvinAlvarado44
    @IrvinAlvarado44 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Ah I get the dinco car placement……..

  • @Man_in_BLKtruck1991
    @Man_in_BLKtruck1991 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Not saying…. But saying. If they took the win away they would have given it to Denny, who was the odds on favorite to win. Maybe those “stakeholders” were Vegas but idk you tell me.

  • @andrewwaring3643
    @andrewwaring3643 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Here’s the problem, though. Where is the lime? If you’re saying, it was the totality of both crashes, then if he only wrecked Joey, would that have been OK? I can’t wait to see what happens at Martinsville with a chance to go to Phoenix on the line. Seriously. and just to be clear, I do agree with the whole penalty. I’m on board with it. I just don’t know what’s allowed when it comes to moving somebody for the win now.

  • @V10ViperSRT
    @V10ViperSRT 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    How to prevent babies on pit lane? Go back to victory circle celebrations

  • @paulj.ingram2839
    @paulj.ingram2839 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Just wish someone from Indycar would point out why this kind of behavior cannot be encouraged in open wheel racing. Yes, the Dallara with the aero screen is a robust chassis that gone a long way toward reducing death or career ending injuries, but the danger is still there and no series has had more tragedy. This kind of mayhem is encouraged in NASCAR because no one is going to get hurt. “Hate is good” said Robin Miller. Always disagreed with that. They get on each other’s nerves, but at the end of the day, Indycar drivers deeply care about each other and want everyone to go home safe.

  • @deepinthewoods8078
    @deepinthewoods8078 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

    Great news! The Austin Dillon ruling is surely a watershed moment in the history of NASCAR ...

    • @needsmetal
      @needsmetal 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Until next week when they never enforce it again

    • @deepinthewoods8078
      @deepinthewoods8078 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@needsmetal We'll see. I think it's a stayer, at least during and just before the playoffs ...

  • @marcpotter2266
    @marcpotter2266 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    The win means more to him than anything. His shit box was not making it out of the round of 16, he’s a superior mid pack driver, not that good, and all his wins were fluky. He was truly fighting like it was the last opportunity to win in his career. I can’t really see him caring all too much about losing the playoff spot, him just being up front and in a spot to win trumps all because the chances of him grabbing another win are low.

  • @jasonstacy5587
    @jasonstacy5587 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Same penalty Clements got at Daytona, but his was later reinstated to be playoff eligible. Doubtful that happens for Dillon.

  • @jameskiehm546
    @jameskiehm546 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    AD raced to win. He engaged two drivers who have taken cars out without penalty numerous times. I don’t see the the difference.

    • @runrafarunthebestintheworld
      @runrafarunthebestintheworld 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Waaa waaa 😅

    • @hippyjason
      @hippyjason 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I know that #3 on the side of the car confuses you a bit sometimes, but it's time to pick another driver to root for. I get it, I miss Dale Sr., too, but that doesn't mean you should just blindly root for his old car.

  • @miguela.morales255
    @miguela.morales255 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Did anyone look at the car that started all? Did anyone consider the possibility that Ricky, by wrecking his car, he gives RC his own touch of revenge? Or this will be to much to think about it.?

  • @billbreze795
    @billbreze795 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    Simply simply lovely.

  • @dack4dust856
    @dack4dust856 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    So is the line wrecking 2 cars?

  • @jjs1982.
    @jjs1982. 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    The rule is clear: "race finishes must be unencumbered by actions detrimental to stock car racing". And yes, wrecking 2 cars to get a win is indeed "detrimental to stock car racing". End of story.

  • @jimm5754
    @jimm5754 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Is the difference between this and what Hamlin (and many others) have done dozens of times in the last few years just that Austin did on the last lap and hit two guys in the same corner?
    The move he pulled on Joey seems to happen almost weekly, just not always at the front, and Hamlin himself has wrecked how many guys racing for the win in the last 2-3 years?
    It's rather annoying watching this happen to a lot of other drivers, but it happens to Hamlin and Logano and somehow that's when it gets penalized.

  • @joshpruitt293
    @joshpruitt293 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    The fact of the matter is AD3 doesn't do that without the the playoffs. There is far more damage to be done sans playoffs with those antics than to be gained. NASCAR evidently realized this and acted accordingly.

  • @DouglasLintzjr35
    @DouglasLintzjr35 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    I believe joey Logano should have been suspended for a couple races for his actions on Pitt Road $50,000 fine it's just a drop in the bucket for him

  • @jeffreyoldham55
    @jeffreyoldham55 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Elton Sawyer said in an interview immediately after the race that Dillon "Went right up *to* the line, but did not *cross* it." So he completely reverses and contradicts himself. This kind of waffling does little to promote confidence in the Director of Competition. This decision is exactly what I suggested on the NASCAR Fan Council, and I believe that it was meant to send a message to the *owner* as well as the driver & spotter. It's not only about *integrity* but about trying to avoid retaliation by multiple drivers.

    • @CrewGuyPJ
      @CrewGuyPJ 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      and in the mean time, hes now seen the data and the incars..its pretty obvious what the 3 did.

    • @bradyquint2751
      @bradyquint2751 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      God forbid somebody investigates and gathers more information and sees their original view was wrong.

  • @nicsutton3831
    @nicsutton3831 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I don't really care if he's in the playoffs, he was not going to win it anyway. But NASCAR doesn't care about any of their actual fans who hate these rules that have developed over the past 10-15 years and caused this problem

  • @arwyss
    @arwyss 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

    I love shitting on NASCAR, but I think they got every decision here just about right.

    • @genemaverick5705
      @genemaverick5705 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Wrong , Joey and Denny did the same thing to chase and Byron to win the race and nothing was done to them !

    • @runrafarunthebestintheworld
      @runrafarunthebestintheworld 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@genemaverick5705thats because at the time NASCAR was scared to penalize anyone. Pfft

    • @genemaverick5705
      @genemaverick5705 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@runrafarunthebestintheworld wrong , it hasn’t been very long ago !!

    • @runrafarunthebestintheworld
      @runrafarunthebestintheworld 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@genemaverick5705 nope They where scared to penalize Hamlin because that Martinsville race was in the playoffs. Also They're scared to penalize Logano because NASCAR has favorites and Logano is one of them. Plus this is the only real time they penalize him.

  • @hk45c62
    @hk45c62 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    And if Logano and Hamlin do the same thing, nothing will happen.

  • @mono-no-aware.Lem.
    @mono-no-aware.Lem. 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    My theory: NASCAR let Dillon keep the win because it sweeps another issue from the finish that was overlooked. Hamlin was officially credited with P2 despite being in the act of crashing and crossing the line P5. Reddick crossed the line P2. This is an issue because ONCE AGAIN NASCAR threw the yellow RIGHT BEFORE THE LINE
    I almost feel bad for Dillon because he was going to win that race straight up and possibly begin to completely change the narrative of his career

  • @LucasTA26
    @LucasTA26 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I am good with the call and yeah get the people off pit road until the cars are stopped and off.

  • @Probablekozz
    @Probablekozz 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    From my knowledge of past issues, they only take the win if they deem your car to be "out of spec" it counts as an encumbered win.. ironically Logano got this a few years back

  • @Feniremmen1
    @Feniremmen1 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Seems like an open acknowledgment from nascar that a cup series win is meaningless. Seems reasonably accurate.

  • @jennyfletcher5573
    @jennyfletcher5573 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    There's an appeal process that's allowed here. So, he can only answer certain questions in certain ways. Dillon's penalty is pretty severe. There's 3 races until the playoffs. If he wins a race he is eligible.

  • @LVM5584
    @LVM5584 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Go back to the old Winston cup points system and none of this Garbage happens. And NASCAR’s playoff Error is spot on David.

  • @Southern-author
    @Southern-author 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    To take away the win would negate the victory lane celebration which is a big part of the sponsor's involvement, such as the photo hat parade.