Smart WiFi Light Switch HACK - NO NEUTRAL WIRE, NO PROBLEM
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WiFi Light Switch Hack - No Neutral wire needed on this Smart WiFi Switch to control your smart home devices - that is Smart Light Bulbs, Smart Curtain - control on a 3 way switch all by one control.
Disclaimer - consult an electrician before attempting any electrical work and do not attempt if you do not understand.
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@@josesantana6673 ah yes!
I did basically the same in my home, but I kept the original physical switch and put a smart wifi module underneath in the back box, and made an automation in smartlife just like you did. The module isn't connected to anything as well, it just puts all smart switches and bulbs on or off in my apartment, like a killer switch. Very handy, especially since the Mrs doesn't like talking to Google. !
This is seriously dangerous for anyone else other than you changing the light bulb. They'll turn it off, the light will go off and they'll think that there is no power to the ceiling pendent. Please don't advise people to do this.
Great concept! Also I think using a 3 button switch for one room is a great idea for a room with smaller lamps! Thanks for the tip! 😉
⚠️ Hi! Great video. I just installed the smart switch in my bedroom, which has a twin switch connection, so 2 switches operate the same lights. I replaced the dumb switch with the simpler connection by adding the common to the Neutral whole and L1 & L2 to L and L1 in the smart.
The issue is that the other dumb switch doesn’t operate the lights anymore.
Any ideas why?
Maybe because I connected the N to the common?...
Good idea, but the only problem I can see is that people wouldn't be aware that the ceiling rose was permanently live. That might be a problem for people changing the bulbs. Firstly not realising that you have to use a smart bulb, secondly not being aware that you'd have to be much more careful with a permanently live outlet. It's not unknown for people to mess around with wiring assuming the rose is isolated by turning off the switch. I'm guessing that for these reasons this might not be strictly acceptable in terms of code.
it's always good practice to switch the breaker off anyway so it shouldn't really be an issue tbh
Perfect video, no messing creating a neutral with capacitor and magic causing nuisance light controls and wifi disconnecting.
Great video and great idea. I’ve been thinking about similar control via zigbee switches for a while now. Although I’m just looking at the possibility of using additional buttons to control other devices in the room. This confirms that that would be possible. I also like the neutral wire solution although I’m lucky enough to have a neutral wire. Great video, would love to see more content like this! 👍💪
Thanks for the comment much appreciated, I actually have a zigbee light switch review to do so stay tuned.
This is a great and simple idea to have a neutral on your light switch, never thought of this before. 👍
Thanks for the comment, was thinking about this for a while and the idea came to me, so had to try it out!
Great video, thanks sharing!
This is brilliant. How I wish I can have this installed like right now.
Good idea. Instead of replacing with 1 Gang, get the 3 Gangs. Just paying a little extra anyway. Can use the extra 2 switches for future use.
Very helpful video. One question.
If i use 1st gang with smart light (as your video), can i use 2nd & 3rd gang with dumb lights? (i want to use 2nd & 3rd as a real switch, not "if device status changes" switch)
Hello, I am thinking, the second and third power switch products are smart wireless and can be controlled, so you can connect to that smart switch, right?
It's a good idea !! Very cool ! I never thought about it ! Well done 👍👏
Great video as always!
Thanks for the comment much appreciated!
nice idea if you want to use neutral for the switch.
If I did this I would put another mini smart box in the ceiling fixture so I can control any bulb, it would work the same way
Great tutorial. How do I connect two of the same switch to control one light or bulb ?
That’s superb! Say you have a 2 gang 2 way (2 COMS) without a neutral; how would you wire those with one of these switches? Instead of smart bulbs, you have LED down lights!!?
Thanks for the comment, check out this video it will show you how to do:
th-cam.com/video/W2pcYp2pPWA/w-d-xo.html
The capacitor that came with my switch make a humming notice would buying a new one fix this?
I have brought one anyway higher rated, but would like a second opinion please
Love this video
That’s pretty brilliant
Thanks for teh video again! Just a quick question can this process be done in teh same way with teh other light switch that has no need for a neutral wire I installed a 1 gang and all was ok but now need a 3 gang and concerned about all the com on it! Also, I have had it trip many times and had to remove earth wire for some strange reasons. Any help much appreciated
Thanks, do you mean a smart switch with more buttons? I yes then the method should work fine I was using like this for a couple of months before I went over to using Zigbee switches.
Bit concerned about you having to remove the earth cable that doesn't sound good. If your not sure best to get an electrician in to check.
Thanks bro 🎉❤
This ten minute job by saved me calling a rip off electrician.
I didn't get zapped.
I'm not on fire 😂
Works like a charm and best of all no buzzing from the capacitor.
Hi,
Does it possible to conect the yellow transformer to the switch itself?
It must to be on the lamp?
Idea is ok. Kind of a hell to sort out for the next owner of such a home😅
Thank you for this video. I have smart switches and smart bulbs and have been looking for a way to use them together. You just solved my problem. Unfortunately whoever wired up my house originally used red for live and switch live with no sleeving so now I need to do some testing to see which is which.
Great concept.
Is the downside to this method that your ceiling rose is permanently live? While this is great for a smart bulb, it can be bad if you want to change a bulb. You'd just have to be careful or turn off at the circuit breaker?
Very good idea, can i ask you please hpw about to do it on 1 gang switch? Cause i don’t have neutral cabel, thx 🙏
Exactly the same way.
That`s ok as long as you can get to the ceiling rose. On klik systems above ceilings you have no chance so a non Neutral switch would be needed.
If I’m using a led light is there any way to make it change the color of the light?
wow, very cool !
3:59 how can you have each 3 wires for blue, brown and yellow? Seems what you suggested will not apply if I have only one color each?
That's pretty awesome
Very interesting video and I wanted to give it a try. However, when I Iook at my light fixture, it only has one neutral and one load at the fixture so there is nothing to bridge for power. Curious as to why are there multiple lines and neutrals in your fixture?
It's the junction point in the circuit, if you don't see then its normally hidden under your flooring / ceiling. There are other solutions search youtube for 'Geek Street No neutral'
Thanks for the quick reply. I have already installed a couple of no neutral zigbees and checked your various reviews. However, I just bought a very nice inovelli smart fan control that I would really like to use so I was trying to find a way to get an effective neutral into a switch box. Back to the drawing board.
Is that a ceiling fan? You could try lifting some floor board and see if can locate the junction box? Or locate any lighting circuit junction box and run a cable from there, you may find in a landing area. Hope that helps
Solid concrete floors and walls with the existing wiring in narrow conduit so running cable is effectively a no-go.
The best way to electorate yourself !!! Absolutely terrified of what you have done
Awesome video my friend 🎉 amazing concept.
Note. To manually turn on the light, just briefly & manually take the bulb out and put it back in 🤘💫💫
Thanks
What kind of capacitor have you been used?
Hi, I an Electrician from Nigeria, is it a must to connect a tuya smart wifi switch to router?
Hi,
This is awesome, but would it work if you had two separate switches for the same light?
Ie one switch at the door and another switch in the hallway?
Been looking for a solution for ages and hope this might be the answer...
With thanks,
Charley.
Take a look at this video it shows how to do it. Obviously wiring would need to be amended slightly.
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hi. good to find your video.
i have a question for you to answer here.
Dont u hear high frequency sound when you turn the light on from the Smart switch???
this is the problem that i have.
so i wanna ask you if you have any idea why and how to fix.
here. SOUTH KOREA.
220V USE.
I hope have good answer from you
thnx buddy
Oooooo. I LIKE the 3 button switch idea. I could make the bottom button the "Dad button". It would trigger a scene to turn off all the lights in the house when leaving. Dad level 1000!
As usual 🤟🤟 you rock..if you have the zigbee kit you can do the same with the zigbee programmable switch the one works with only batteries..your solution here good only if all your bulbs is smart too .. but im really happy to see you trying to find some smart solutions here . Thanks
Thanks for the comment much appreciated.
Hi...i am using a 3 gang smart switch without neutral wire, and had installed a capacitor to light 1, but randomly the light 1 will auto turn on by itself. Has anyone got solution? Definitely not hardware issue as had it being replaced but still it will auto turned on by itself. Thanks
Has anyone been able to find wall plates for these switches to cover normal sized wall boxes? I have a normal 3 and 4-gang light switch I'm trying to convert to these, and the switch is just SO much smaller than the standard wall box.
I've got several lamps fitted with smart bulbs but no smart switches at the moment. And yes we had our wifi go down so no lights a week ago. Could you use any neutral reqd switches to work with the capacitors instead?
Just go for these th-cam.com/video/o_O5HdQo8u0/w-d-xo.html
Iam electrician. It`s very smart. Great job :)
Thanks 😊
This is not safe practice.
Thanks for the tutorial. What will happen if i dont install the capacitor i wonder?
I'm not sure best to stick to what they are recommending.
Hi I've gotten the 3 gang switch and I've used the capacitor (installed into one of the down lights in "L1"). However, the lights in L2 and L3 randomly turns on at night. Any idea what could be causing it?
The switch could be faulty, just double check there are no timers set on it.
I’ve been thinking about this a lot. Hooking the load wire to neutral is fine for a smart switch. However, if a future homeowner replaces the smart switch with a regular switch and then turns it on... they’ve just created a short circuit and you better hope the circuit breakers are working.
I only have one question can you turn on/off 2 or more devices with one button, per example can you use your Switch 1 to turn on all your lights instead of only 1 smart bulb?
Yes, is possible, you need that all the other devices' power cables have to be connected to the same wall smart switch (1 to 4 gangs) or to be already separated smart devices. Then you set up a smart routine in your smart app.
I have installed some smart switches without neutral (with capacitor connected at the lamp) and some of them make the lamp flickering. Any solution for that? Thanks.
Is it the lamp causing that? Try swapping and see if that makes a difference.
What about a blind switch that needs the neutral, L, L1( to go up) and L2(to go down) , any idea?
I have a video come soon showing a Smart Blind working with a smart switch...stay tuned.
That's 2-way switch. This video he use 1-way switch only w/ 3gang
Is the concept the same with florescent lighting. Im trying to make my lights in my basement turn on by the sound of my voice. I was wondering where to place my capacitor in my florescent tube lighting that i got from my smart switch. If someone can send me a link. im having trouble finding one
You could have your lights connected to a smart plug and alexa could control that.
I am an electrician. 20 odd years. There is nothing wrong with this. All wires are correctly identified which is the important thing. My only concern is that when your Internet... nevermind you just said that. Its WiFi dependent. I believe that home assistant would solve this.
From an electrician its good to get this confirmed as ok to do, thanks. I've had issues with wifi and its a damn hassle. So I've moved over to using Zigbee light switches.
As a sparky, although nothing wrong with the wiring, I would identify the cable at both ends to indicate that it was once used as the switch wire. I sometimes put the same coloured sleeving on the conductors, which tells me it is the switch wire. This helps when there are several wires in one box where I might run the feeds down to a switch rather than the light, as a live and neutral would then go to the light, but it would be switched live on the live, not the sleeved neutral. I use this method when several banks of downlighters are required and too many wires to fit into the first light. All the wires are at the switch not the light.
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Labels are always nice to find.
Even if it's a note to yourself in 10 years!
Any idea how to do that with Smart spot lights ? Thanks you
You can do with a wifi inline switch or take a look at this light switch even easier no wiring change needed just replace your existing switch.
th-cam.com/video/zASASdMyt4g/w-d-xo.html
Can I ask please, why would you not just fit one of the switches with a capacitor? Is it not safe to use a capacitor at the light?
I have no electrical knowledge and would appreciate your advice on this.
I'm not sure about the capacitor switch, I don't like the idea of fitting it. A better option is the Zigbee no neutral switches I started using using myself really good.
It's safe to do but sometimes the capacitor create flicker at the light with certain kinds of lights or noise hum.
Do we need a capacitor for each load or just one capacitor??
Just 1
You are smart
Thanks for the comment much appreciated.
Potentially dangerous for anyone changing the bulb unless the breaker is turned off or the fuse pulled.
Hey, after connecting my WiFi switch I am unable to use Alexa to change the bulb colour as per usual can you advise me
Yes all with work as usual.
I notice you are using a pendant, so this trick works well (providing that the live and neutral is in the rose - it usually is), another 'hack' you can do to this would be to use one of these from amazon amzn.to/3e3Up8H. essentially what you would find on a table lamp. Although I'd actually mark on it what's on / off. that way you could isolate without having to flip the consumer unit breaker.
Nice idea
Hi . I bought 1 gang smart light switch, but when I connect ,light starts flickering! Can you please tell me what to do? Thanks
U need capacitor on ur bulb
I never own any smart home devices but wanted to get one. I got questions, what happen if house power is off and back on. 1) because power has altered to permanent , does the light bulb would turn on by itself once the power is back on or does the light bulb can remember the last state? 2) if the power has cut and back on, do i need to reconnect the switch and bulb again with the WIFI via the APP? i really love smart technology but don't like anything out of my control.
1) The light would turn on it does not remember its last state, if this is an issue you could setup a smart scene to turn the light off if its on during the day.
2) Confirm is saved so you dont have to reconnect.
Hope that helps! Check out the other smart tech videos I have done, there are other no neutral light switches available too.
Great idea but for this to work your existing wiring needs to be of a Loop in configuration, some homes are wired with all the light and switch wires going back to a central joint box.
Thanks, yes good point.
If you have loop in at switch to be honest these days you are lucky and can just fit a smart switch without any modifications! This is to compensate for having no neutral at the switch.
I can make this work inside Home Assistant create automation but it doesn't work using the switch alone talking to Home Assistant
So what happens when the connection fails for a multitude of reasons and the tech support says turn it off again?..
I wish I understood what he was saying.
App name
What will happend in case when internet connection is lost?
@Geek Street Wonder if you have an email address to contact. I needed to show you a picture of my switch board for some help if that's ok. Thanks.
Whats the difference between a normal neutral wire and switched live wire?
Switched live is like cutting into the live wire going to a light and putting a switch there.
@@GeekStreet I see, thanks for the quick reply mate! Cheers!
@@R4v3N007 you're welcome!
What? And if your local WiFi of you internet connection goes down, you can't turn on/off your lights. Smart
Nice concept but would fail to operate the lights if wifi drops
Time you got into Home Assistant!
Yes I need to look into that thanks
@@sidloose9465 I was going to get HACS after being a LONG time Homeseer user...BUT...now I see Alexa Schedules and Routines which auto import into SmartThings App which also allows many devices, I'm not really finding the need for HACS. What additional benefits would you say there is?
I can see You heave ground wire, so you can use it for delivery N or use it as N :D
That is possible but not recommended, electricians will go mental!
@@GeekStreet if they are so stupid to install wire without N and L thru switch they already mental...
Beside you just using "dead" wire for delivery N and ground for light still secure. Your switch not grounded as I can see. You just heave extra wire just use it no meter what color it is.
@@MednieksLVKristaps Grounded switch? Really?
I guess I could just hide the smart switch inside the ceiling since it's just too much of a hassle to bring the neutral to the switch box.
Yeah that could work.
I don't see the point in getting the WiFi light switch then if you are going to only use it as an always on ? May as well just keep the old normal switch and use the WiFi bulb.
very interesting video. Could you please make a video how to write a scene that decide the color of a bulb?
Thank for the comment, please explain what you mean regarding the scene. Give me an example situation
@@GeekStreet I have a few Tuya bulbs and one LED strip. I'd like to create a scene, when a motion sensor detects a movement, I d like the bulb to turn on in blue at 25% intensity. None of my bulbs allow me to set up the color. I'd love to find a way to do it. Thanks
This switch doesn't work with regular bulbs?
The switch can but you need a neutral wire, this is a solution where there is no neutral wire.
Great. Pardon me while I booby trap my lights for a future owner........
I'll try
Good luck!
@@GeekStreet cheers
@@GeekStreet you know my switch it has just 2 red wires, one is COM and the other L1
@@modcorners4182 if you're not sure don't guess get an electrician in. COM is normally live and L1 is switched live.
You solve the biggest problem not having neutral wire in the switch side. But this is against the electricity codes 😃
Thank for the the comment!
Exactly what I was thinking... you cant actually turn the power off.. breaker switch will probably save you in flooding etc but still risky.
There are also NO neutral versions of these switches
For this concept, I am Worry About ： Whether When the Electricity Black Out and then the Electricity Back On Again, All the Devices which are Controlled by This Smart Wall Three Gang Switch will Turning On Automatically…? 🤔
The light which are on will turn on if that makes sense
@@GeekStreet, but When It Happens, and No One at Home at That Time will Waste the Electricity with the Lights Turning On in Whole Day…… 🤦♂️
There is a solution, you can setup a smart sense to automatically turn off the lights if they come on in the day!
this sounds like a building code nightmare
Would be interesting to hear what a builder has to say about this.
I am electrician
I didn't get it :O
Is this Dimmable
No...but this is how to make this dimmable th-cam.com/video/XPPvphiLmCI/w-d-xo.html
Doesn’t makes sense to also put in a smart switch when you installed smart bulb. Does this brand sells a battery operated wireless switch? A wireless switch should be able to do the same thing. Btw there are smart switches that don’t require neutral and don’t need a capacitor. Check out Xiaomi Aqara stuff
Thanks for the comment, I just wanted to show a possible solution, I've actually reviewed 2 neutral wire free light switches too one requires a capacitor and the other requires a zigbee hub. Check out the videos if you get a chance.
You can also create a "virtual neutral" circuit. Like in this video th-cam.com/video/8h29-0rpQJo/w-d-xo.html
so if you lost your wifi, you lost your electricity
Both side need smart device
Yes
If you have smart bulbs you might as well not have the smart switch at all.
I have a Smart switch with Neutral wire option, but I dont have neutral wire in my Electrical system at Home. How do I connect my Smart Switch in this case?
"Obviously I don't know if this is legal to do". No mate, it isn't!
It's illegal and dangerous to have a switch on the neutral wire. Somebody could end up getting electrocuted.
Already knew this before watching
Great!
this makes no sense? if you have a smart bulb then just control the bulb like you normally do? what’s the point of rewiring, just buy a separate wireless switch like the philips hue dimmer 🤣
If the switch is turned off you can't control....it's ok you're welcome 🙃