When I passed my driving test in 1978 my first car was a 1970 Mk1 Ford Escort whilst friends owned similar......... Escorts, Marinas, Vivas and Minis and the like around the same age. These cars used to rot away at an alarming rate and once they had 60 - 70,000 miles on the clock they were generally worn out despite regular care & servicing. It certainly puts things into perspective and shows how much things progressed since when you look at a new car registered 30 years later than those we drove. In this case, a 20 year old (modern) car with 180,000 miles on the clock is still going strong and has very minimal corrosion. Durability certainly improved with modern cars. Lots of life left in Bella yet.
I couldn't agree more. Modern cars can be amazingly long lived compared to the rubbish we coveted in the 70's and 80's. In 2011 we bought a 2005 206 1.4hdi. It had covered 150k, was a bit scruffy, but ran as sweet as a nut. We sold it in 2015 with 235k on the clock, it had never broken down, never had a clutch, just servicing and a timing belt. It was averaging 62mpg, and was pressed into service as a delivery vehicle by a cake shop, who ran it for a further two years! Brilliant, no MK1 Escort, Marina, Viva or Avenger could do that.
@@660einzylinder Yes, you're right......none of the old cars came anywhere near to what we now take for granted today in terms of durability. I bought and ran various old 70's stuff for around 8 years after I passed my test then had company cars for the next 35 years. They were all provided new and fully serviced by the company so I didn't really connect with cost of ownership until I retired and decided to buy a small second hand car in 2019. I bought a 2011 Citroen C3 Exclusive with 30,000 genuine miles on the clock. I don't drive many miles and still have the car today. It's nearly eleven years old now and looks outside and inside like it's just been driven out of the showroom. I'd expect at least another 10 years of almost trouble free motoring from this car. Back then......it would have been well overdue for the scrapyard.
@@660einzylindermy sentiments exactly. I had a 1.3 escort 10 yrs old was dead. Even flitch plate that held wipers on was almost absent. Mechanically sound but worst rotting car ever. Scrapped it, bought a fiat brava same reg as escort for £80 was extremely tatty but no rot. Alas gearbox went after 2 yrs. psa got their bodies right a long time ago
I too had a 1973 Mk1 Escort at 16 in '86 to do up for when I passed my test, inner wings had already been welded but were rotten again, sills weren't the best either, it was shot to be fair and I gave up in the end. I run an 11 year old Panda with 105k on nowadays and even though its a cheaply made car its still sweet as a nut, flies through its MOT every time.
Bella is well preserved for her age. It is credit to Citroen, that despite Bella the Berlingo having lived a long while by the sea, and perhaps not always having had the maintainence that HubNut will now give her, she is still in decent condition underneath.
And to think french cars enjoy a reputation of being poorly built and unreliable, when any Merc or BMW of this age subjected to the same would have long since been turned into baking trays.
Why do people think living by the sea rots cars. That is untrue unless you drive them physically in the sea lol. Its road salt that kills cars. I'm in Devon and Devon and Cornwall have loads of old cars still running around because there is less salting on the road.
80s and 90s cars have best build quality, from the 2000s onwards cars got less durable again. Hence all the countries that want to bann pre Euro3 cars from the roads, wouldn't be an issue if they all would had rust away by now.
@@chucky2316 do not ignore sea breeze that bring those nasty salts all year round. That's why you see houses with metal fences, even galvanized, getting all rusty
@@h.s.5995 sea breeze lol. Its salt on the road mate never buy a car from Scotland or the North East. I made the mistake I bought a mazda 2 from Glasgow it rusted and went into holes the equivalent car here no rust. The oldest cars in the country can be found in Devon and cornwall even old transits my mate has a e reg
Ian, having just done a small service on my Suzuki Vitara I can confirm the Berlingo's air-filter hasn't been changed in many a year!!.....The air filter on my car was still pretty clean after 2 years, so as you said the 'servicing' hasn't been done well and the diesel filter...Just wow! Thankfully you're taking better care of the Berlingo now....👍👍
What a good mannered and thoroughly nice guy your friend Tim is, one of the old school, knowledgeable down to earth and above all honest motor men - great video ( highlighting the dishonesty in the trade) and a little incidental music in the edit as a bonus !!
Maintenance is often a forgotten subject, but when I see these filters, I also wonder when they were last updated. Fortunately, you take good care of your cars Ian and give them the attention they need.
I'm sure Tim knows what he's doing and maybe I missed something, but in my not inconsiderable experience of fighting rust on bangers, I've found if you simply wire brush rust back and apply underseal, the rust will be back in a year or two. What works for me is wire brushing, a good rust killer product, primer (ideally zinc), cheap black top coat paint, and then the underseal.
Ian you remind me of my team leader at Tesco back in the 80s , he had an answer for everything but never really did much himself, this brings back memories 😂
I've been preparing my Multispace for its MOT tomorrow. Having spent its life from 2006 inland in Birmingham and now in Bedfordshire it has no rust on it thankfully. The only thing it needed was a new backbox and brake discs but I put in new pads aswell while it was apart. I didn't realise how much smoother the brake feel would be with new discs.
Another fine job by Cambrian Classics, including a good choice of jacking points. I've also found lesser garages jack up PSA cars in the wrong place, leading to eventual corrosion. Although to be fair, they still last longer than some other well known brands (blue oval etc). It's not got to the point where, when I'm having tyres changed, I take the wheels off the car myself and take them to the tyre company, so they don't have the opportunity to jack my car up incorrectly.
I love it when you say something (in this case the rust) needs doing urgently and then put it off for a year. What do we want? Procrastination! When do we want it? Tomorrow! 😂😂
Cool garage video with this preservation work. An incredible 180.000 miles on the clock and counting, impressive! Thank you, a HubNut Berlingo day is a good day.
Preservation Bella is well under way! Good times, Ian ☺️ I always like the segments with Tim, he is a master at his craft and it's great to see you guys working together and keeping the fleet going strong 👍🏻
It's great to hear that Bella is once again in good shape following her medical from Doctor Tim. I still remember the days when cars bodies turned to dust after 10 years but these days the bodies can outlast the mechanics. Thanks Ian for sharing the update.
My 306 D Turbo was always sweeter after an oil change. I changed my oil ever 7k miles which was 3 times a year for me at the time. The car got to 240k miles and the engine was still good.
The PSA diesels are really tough units and just keep on going. Mine has 2 year interval oil changes by it's previous owners which was usually always 10-15k miles intervals. I prefer shorter intervals but I've already done 6k since I did it in April so I'll change it soon or at 7.5k. Doesn't cost much to service yourself so I think it's worth doing it sooner.
Another great video. Thanks so much. Saw your series with Tim on the Morris Minor and decided to make the trek from Dublin and bring my MG to him for some essential loving. ETA next weekend.... Looking forward to the adventure of seeing if we make it without outside assistance!
Interesting, but as a mechanic of 50 years plus I was surprised that he didn't start to loosen the track rod out of the track rod end in situ, before removing the track rod end nut and taper. If you leave it in it's far easier to start to unscrew the track rod if it's tight as the joint is held solid, rather than taking the taper out and then trying to hold it with a ring spanner. I usually use a 14" pair of stillsons on the lock nut on the track rod if it's tight, to at least move it initially, then remove the taper to screw the joint off the track rod once you've freed it off.
Good to see you and Tim taking care of Bella,the air and fuel filters were well past the use by date it’s a tribute to Citroen that she was still running.Can I suggest a road test on a Subaru Brat or Brumby as they are called in Australia,on FB this morning there is two Brats for sale at Gravesend UK,they are quite popular in Australia,cheers.
Looking not bad at all! Sounds like Bella is staying on the fleet for a while with this maintenance and plans of waxing next year. Probably not a bad idea at all, she seems to tick many boxes 👍
A very good Terry Wogan (Blankety Blank) impression with the microphone there Ian haha! I agree about service intervals, I ignore them and get mine serviced every 10k because my car is used for 70/30, town/ A roads so needs a service sooner in my mind.
I laughed when I heard Tim's radio mic picking up the water running. In 30 years working in live entertaimnent I've heard one or two things come over the PA that shouldn't have!
Cracking little bus, genuinely lovely little vehicles, great maintenance and with that sort of care she will last a long while, no real replacement for stuff like this really
Bela by the sea resilient for rust and high mileage and has not been looked after but is now been cared for by the Hubnut family and friends well done !
It had a service piece of paper wiped across it taken by those results Mr HubNut, that's in very tidy condition for its age and mileage especially underneath, a definite keep on your fleet.
A ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Amazing it's not scaled up underneath considering it's lived near the sea nearly all of it's life 🚗🇬🇧👍. Happy Holiday,, Ian 👍.
When I buy a car I always put £300 by for a service and little jobs to be sure. My last car I bought 2 years ago I spent the £300 on sump, pads and discs and a weeping shock, then I had the timing belt and water pump and it's been great since.
Bella may be "cosmetically challenged" but she's still solid enough for a daily driver with a decent amount of life ahead. Sometimes pragmatism has to go before prettiness...
and with a little effort you can transform the look. on my seat estate i took off the rack , pinted the roof, tinted the windows and put on some old alloys and cleaned and polished the car..the number of people who thought i had changed the car was unbelievable
Time for Tim to help keep Bella up & running once more. I could not believe how dirty her internals were & now she must be performing better & providing Mr Hubnut with plenty more Happy Miles together.
Really a modern diesel should be serviced every 12 months or 6000 miles, I see it a lot at work where engines have black sludge permanently stuck inside them due to the manufacturers giving 20K intervals, inevitably things will fail, like the turbo.
Never quite understood the 20k service intervals when the similarly engined 406 was 12.5k. Wing might benefit from a decent PDR session? None too bad for a twenty year old seaside dweller. Might be worth checking your scuttle drains as they do block leading to water ingress which invariably finds the BCI module with amusing effects!
I didn't and don't understand 20k either, a lot can happen in 18 months to 2 years of driving so my rule is stuff that, service once a year, might cost a little more but cheaper in the long run.
I'm guessing they're expecting a van to run up the miles quicker (lower advertised TCO for fleet managers?) I wouldn't go more than 15000km between services myself 🙂
@@deanstyles2567 That's a good point, I hadn't thought of that, fleet vehicles can probably run to that in a short amount of time and be looked after so they're ok.
I’m just amazed people believe it when they’re told the car had a recent service without any evidence. Any time I buy a car the first thing I do is a full service - costs pennies and it’s a good way to see what else it needs. Letting something go 20,000 miles without a service is a peculiar attitude to maintenance.
I've said this above but when I buy a car I put £300 aside for exactly that purpose and a little more if there's no evidence of the timing belt having been done and it's never done me wrong. I did that with my current car 2 years ago and there's never been a hint of a breakdown, now I'm off to touch the window sill......wood! 😂
I think an induction heater will be a safer tool for you Ian, HubNut and a blow lamp, help! Put the Fire Brigade on speed dial. The new ones also have a flexible cable that can be wrapped around a component if the induction coil can't be slid over. Green Diesel? Then I remembered that Agri Diesel is red in the UK.
Reminds me of when I bought my van from a very reputable main dealer. fresh service and mot? got under her the following day to find the complete exhaust was shot. so looked at the air filter and that was filthy. it was sent back and rectified. but I always check all work from now on.
Unfortunately, I have first hand experience of dodgy servicing. About 15 years ago, my grandmother's VW Polo (a 5-door 1.9D CL, no less) stopped running one day. It turned out that none of the filters had been changed since the car was new - some of the parts still had the 1998 date stamps on them. The actual cause in this case was a blocked fuel filter, but all of them were very nasty. It had full VW main dealer service history, both from the original supplying main dealer in Heathrow, and the main dealer she bought it from in Tamworth. Nevertheless, just because it has a full service history, even a main dealer service history, and had been stamped by the main dealer in the service record, don't assume it's been serviced properly. In fact, assume nothing has been done to it at all. I think they just charged £300 a pop for a service sticker in the windscreen, because the oil was some of the worst I've seen too! Finally, because my grandmother insisted on taking it to a garage for a service (she had to have the stamps in the book), she ended up taking it to the Proton (later Citroen) dealer around the corner. They looked after her very well.
Good video, for the age Bella isn’t to to bad shape, I so want a ramp in my unit, I have the room and height but sadly not the money atm ☹️ look forward to your next instalment 🙂👍
I had a early Berlingo EV , I think the batteries were shot as range was about 20 miles on a good day but it drove really well , it also had a factory fitted diesel heater which was incredibly effective. Sold it in 2018 but wish I kept it now and put a 20kwh ish lithium traction battery .
Interesting Bella’s on 20k service intervals. My 2003 206 HDi had 12k service intervals, whereas the petrol Peugeot and Citroen engines were at 20k (still far too long). A mate has just bought a 2006 Berlingo Multispace to convert into a mini camper. One owner from new, with 68k and full history. Drives beautifully.
I've got a 2002 berlingo multispace, both rear suspension mounts corroded but not excessive, you should get ACF50 anti corrosion spray, developed by the American military it's about 14£ for an aerosol it works far better than penetrating oil.
M49s are great. My 2002 had no rust at all right up till I sold it 3 months ago. Tyre wear was always a problem though. Always on the outside edges on the front, and inside edges on the rear! Forever needing tracking. Strangely my B9 front tyres are wearing on the outsides as well! And I've tried several different places to have tracking done.
I'd say the last service Bella had was a "lift the bonnet, look around, suck the teeth, done" kind of job, cos them filters, jeez, I think the Titanic is in better shape than they were... :S
I tend to go for 3 to 5k on my services, 10k would scare me silly. 😯 My Corsa had been changed every 10 by the previous owner and it gave up the ghost at 100k, and had to have a new turbo at 80. On further inspection all the PCV stuff and EGR were totally ruined.
Oil change intervals are, in my view, far too large. Engine oil is expensive but regular oil and filter changes set against the cost of engine repairs make it essential to carry out this mini service out at more sensible distances.
There's a rainforest green front wing on ebay, second hand but in better shape than that one. Bit pricey though for a bit of old Berlingo at about 1/8th of the cost of the entire vehicle purchase price. Maybe this is a good time for you to attempt some panel beating Ian? haha
The infamous drop links went through many sets on a pug 206 i used to own. Never cared for those fuel filter housings on the 2l hdi always thought i would break it when removing and installing filters. Preferred the housing on the old xud engine wished they had kept that idea.
i well remember the old glass housing filter on my 305 estate, just take it off and clean out the bowl every 6 months or so. i miss my 305. don't see any now
@@Grimwriggler Used to have a 305 diesel lovely car little underpowered. Had to get rid as getting certain parts was hard work sometimes even the scrapyards back then had very little stuff in for them
Were you using the special tool to open up the fuel filter housing? Luckily I know someone who has one, so I borrowed it when I did mine. He strongly advised me not to try tapping the locking ring round with a screwdriver because I'd definitely break it. I also have a spare housing just in case.
@@Zeem4 Ended up making a tool at work for doing it as i serviced it every 5000 miles. Also had a spare housing as well just in case only threw it out a few weeks ago along with some other 206 stuff even though i sold the car around 5 years ago.
Not bad at all - my own "French van with seats in it" is rotten in the front inner wings and the sills. The floor's not actually too bad though. The worst bits appear to be where the rubberised coatings have failed on joints and in corners, trapping water behind it causing the galvanising to dissolve. I once burst a big bubble on the outer sill and the water that came out was a bright blue colour. I'm currently considering fitting a new front cross-member and subframe (almost £700), but that means getting the old ones out, and they're known for rusted-in bolts which then snap. Hours of fun ahead!
It would be great to see Bella complete the 'hard knot pass' in Cumbria although not towing trailer tent I might add! We did but it was completely accidental and left us with frayed nerves lol.
I wonder what differences there were between the under body sealing on the Citroen Berlingo and the Peugeot Partner? I am curious because a family member owns a 51 plate Partner, which like your Berlingo has lived it's life by the sea, and the one thing I am astounded at is the fact the underside body work is totally rust free. I had it up on a lift earlier this year and was surprised at how good the actual body work was. Just about everything else underneath was rusty - very in some cases, but not the body work. And there was no sign of any aftermarket underseal, just the stuff she left the factory with. Thus I am wondering if Peugeot put a bit more effort into sealing the underside than Citrroen did? Not that Bella is bad for her age, have seen much newer cars with much more rust than that! But good to see your drop links came off without a fight, I had to change them on the Partner a couple of years back - they only left the vehicle after some persuading with my angle grinder.
13:00 What I would have done is to put the rear wheels on the front for tracking as when a tyre wears it will always wear the same way it has done from the start of its life. It will make the tyres last longer also.
The Xud engines fuel filters should be changed every 12 months, we had a Mk1 xantia that wouldn't start as the filter was blocked. has the car got a Bosch diesel pump? if so it will run on filtered veg oil in the warmer weather the Bosch pumps have Bitron seals in them which can withstand the veg oil.
I must change the fuel filter on mine as I've never done it and after seeing how bad Bella's was I think it would be advantageous. Located on the side of the fuel tank on Petrol models apparently.
as it is a diesel you should go old school and do your service every 6000 miles also did you change the powered assist steering fluid seen that it's done over 100k and can be easily missed. And the last thing the blatant marketing at the end of the video😂 I would like to wish you and yours a very merry Christmas and prosperous New Year with many more camping videos some In southern europe maybe? 👍👍
I'd be interested to know if the tracking was actually out. My Doblo has been checked and is correct but still wears front tyres on the outside edge consistently. I''ve been told it's down to the high centre of gravity of these tall (ish) vehicles.
I've had the same issue with my 2011 Panda and was told the same thing, tall and narrow so leans more and wears the outside of the front tyres so it could be true for the Doblo and Berlingo too.
Must be a doblo thing had mine done 3times my son did it the last time first two done at large tyre centres seemed to take along time for no improvement to
My Peugeot Expert was wearing front tyres out after 10 or 12,000 miles. The nearside was much worse though, and I have an idea it might have been down to the 3mm thick wedge of rust on one side at the top of the strut, pushing it out of alignment. Currently it's all in bits waiting for me to finish cleaning and painting it (and finish the welding).
Good thing it is not a premium car, like a Mercedes, BMW, VW, Audi, Volvo or Saab of a similar age - then there would be no end to the rust... 😅 Go, Bella! - And the Renault-nerd in me instinctively noticed that Tim is sporting some very stylish head gear...
Need some kurust on those exposed areas ian then you can use a great stuff called chemical metal for that area by the tow bar. As for the sensor plug clip broken. Cable tie it in place with reusable cable ties from halfords.
When I passed my driving test in 1978 my first car was a 1970 Mk1 Ford Escort whilst friends owned similar......... Escorts, Marinas, Vivas and Minis and the like around the same age. These cars used to rot away at an alarming rate and once they had 60 - 70,000 miles on the clock they were generally worn out despite regular care & servicing. It certainly puts things into perspective and shows how much things progressed since when you look at a new car registered 30 years later than those we drove. In this case, a 20 year old (modern) car with 180,000 miles on the clock is still going strong and has very minimal corrosion. Durability certainly improved with modern cars. Lots of life left in Bella yet.
I couldn't agree more. Modern cars can be amazingly long lived compared to the rubbish we coveted in the 70's and 80's. In 2011 we bought a 2005 206 1.4hdi. It had covered 150k, was a bit scruffy, but ran as sweet as a nut. We sold it in 2015 with 235k on the clock, it had never broken down, never had a clutch, just servicing and a timing belt. It was averaging 62mpg, and was pressed into service as a delivery vehicle by a cake shop, who ran it for a further two years! Brilliant, no MK1 Escort, Marina, Viva or Avenger could do that.
@@660einzylinder Yes, you're right......none of the old cars came anywhere near to what we now take for granted today in terms of durability. I bought and ran various old 70's stuff for around 8 years after I passed my test then had company cars for the next 35 years. They were all provided new and fully serviced by the company so I didn't really connect with cost of ownership until I retired and decided to buy a small second hand car in 2019. I bought a 2011 Citroen C3 Exclusive with 30,000 genuine miles on the clock. I don't drive many miles and still have the car today. It's nearly eleven years old now and looks outside and inside like it's just been driven out of the showroom. I'd expect at least another 10 years of almost trouble free motoring from this car. Back then......it would have been well overdue for the scrapyard.
@@660einzylinder I'd have a fair bet your 206 would have had new injectors before 150k (?)
@@660einzylindermy sentiments exactly. I had a 1.3 escort 10 yrs old was dead. Even flitch plate that held wipers on was almost absent. Mechanically sound but worst rotting car ever. Scrapped it, bought a fiat brava same reg as escort for £80 was extremely tatty but no rot. Alas gearbox went after 2 yrs. psa got their bodies right a long time ago
I too had a 1973 Mk1 Escort at 16 in '86 to do up for when I passed my test, inner wings had already been welded but were rotten again, sills weren't the best either, it was shot to be fair and I gave up in the end. I run an 11 year old Panda with 105k on nowadays and even though its a cheaply made car its still sweet as a nut, flies through its MOT every time.
Keeping old cars clean and happy and on the road: that’s sustainable! Thanks guys for the video.
Precisely. I just wish this sentiment was recognised by others.
Just read an article half an hour ago where BMW even stated this i.e. buy fewer new cars and maintain the older ones.
True
Bella is well preserved for her age. It is credit to Citroen, that despite Bella the Berlingo having lived a long while by the sea, and perhaps not always having had the maintainence that HubNut will now give her, she is still in decent condition underneath.
And to think french cars enjoy a reputation of being poorly built and unreliable, when any Merc or BMW of this age subjected to the same would have long since been turned into baking trays.
Why do people think living by the sea rots cars. That is untrue unless you drive them physically in the sea lol. Its road salt that kills cars. I'm in Devon and Devon and Cornwall have loads of old cars still running around because there is less salting on the road.
80s and 90s cars have best build quality, from the 2000s onwards cars got less durable again. Hence all the countries that want to bann pre Euro3 cars from the roads, wouldn't be an issue if they all would had rust away by now.
@@chucky2316 do not ignore sea breeze that bring those nasty salts all year round. That's why you see houses with metal fences, even galvanized, getting all rusty
@@h.s.5995 sea breeze lol. Its salt on the road mate never buy a car from Scotland or the North East. I made the mistake I bought a mazda 2 from Glasgow it rusted and went into holes the equivalent car here no rust. The oldest cars in the country can be found in Devon and cornwall even old transits my mate has a e reg
Ian, having just done a small service on my Suzuki Vitara I can confirm the Berlingo's air-filter hasn't been changed in many a year!!.....The air filter on my car was still pretty clean after 2 years, so as you said the 'servicing' hasn't been done well and the diesel filter...Just wow!
Thankfully you're taking better care of the Berlingo now....👍👍
Having spoken with Tim at the NEC my thoughts were confirmed. He's a thoroughly blood nice bloke.
I so miss having a pillar lift 😑
Nice, but NOT dim I assume!😂😂
When I moved and lost the inspection pit and pit jack it was missed, not having to pump it out in wet weather when the water table came up was not.
@@2760ade No I sort of thought how long before someone posts that.
@@2760ade You're showing your age again ade 🤣🤣
@@graemew7001 Again, I'm afraid you;re right!!🤣🤣
What a good mannered and thoroughly nice guy your friend Tim is, one of the old school, knowledgeable down to earth and above all honest motor men - great video ( highlighting the dishonesty in the trade) and a little incidental music in the edit as a bonus !!
Maintenance is often a forgotten subject, but when I see these filters, I also wonder when they were last updated. Fortunately, you take good care of your cars Ian and give them the attention they need.
Bella is certainly a very good car 180000 miles & lived by the sea for years. Certainly a keeper Ian.
That is why because she has been by the sea and not some salt ridden northern road
I'm sure Tim knows what he's doing and maybe I missed something, but in my not inconsiderable experience of fighting rust on bangers, I've found if you simply wire brush rust back and apply underseal, the rust will be back in a year or two. What works for me is wire brushing, a good rust killer product, primer (ideally zinc), cheap black top coat paint, and then the underseal.
Great news on Bella. You guys make a great team👍.
Ian you remind me of my team leader at Tesco back in the 80s , he had an answer for everything but never really did much himself, this brings back memories 😂
There certainly was a lot of talking about what ‘we’ had done that’s for sure 😂
It's a great little bus to preserve, such a practical, cheap to run motor. Keep up the good work.
I've been preparing my Multispace for its MOT tomorrow.
Having spent its life from 2006 inland in Birmingham and now in Bedfordshire it has no rust on it thankfully.
The only thing it needed was a new backbox and brake discs but I put in new pads aswell while it was apart. I didn't realise how much smoother the brake feel would be with new discs.
Another fine job by Cambrian Classics, including a good choice of jacking points.
I've also found lesser garages jack up PSA cars in the wrong place, leading to eventual corrosion. Although to be fair, they still last longer than some other well known brands (blue oval etc).
It's not got to the point where, when I'm having tyres changed, I take the wheels off the car myself and take them to the tyre company, so they don't have the opportunity to jack my car up incorrectly.
I love it when you say something (in this case the rust) needs doing urgently and then put it off for a year. What do we want? Procrastination! When do we want it? Tomorrow! 😂😂
Cool garage video with this preservation work. An incredible 180.000 miles on the clock and counting, impressive! Thank you, a HubNut Berlingo day is a good day.
Great little tinkering video with Tim and Yourself and for a 20 year old car living by the sea there's not much grot!
Preservation Bella is well under way! Good times, Ian ☺️
I always like the segments with Tim, he is a master at his craft and it's great to see you guys working together and keeping the fleet going strong 👍🏻
Just done my droplinks on my 2007 were easy whoever had it before me used copper grease on torx and bolt came off like butter and ride beautiful
Microphone on a stick? The spirit of Wogan is strong!
It's great to hear that Bella is once again in good shape following her medical from Doctor Tim. I still remember the days when cars bodies turned to dust after 10 years but these days the bodies can outlast the mechanics. Thanks Ian for sharing the update.
My 306 D Turbo was always sweeter after an oil change. I changed my oil ever 7k miles which was 3 times a year for me at the time. The car got to 240k miles and the engine was still good.
The PSA diesels are really tough units and just keep on going. Mine has 2 year interval oil changes by it's previous owners which was usually always 10-15k miles intervals. I prefer shorter intervals but I've already done 6k since I did it in April so I'll change it soon or at 7.5k. Doesn't cost much to service yourself so I think it's worth doing it sooner.
Another great video. Thanks so much. Saw your series with Tim on the Morris Minor and decided to make the trek from Dublin and bring my MG to him for some essential loving. ETA next weekend.... Looking forward to the adventure of seeing if we make it without outside assistance!
Interesting, but as a mechanic of 50 years plus I was surprised that he didn't start to loosen the track rod out of the track rod end in situ, before removing the track rod end nut and taper. If you leave it in it's far easier to start to unscrew the track rod if it's tight as the joint is held solid, rather than taking the taper out and then trying to hold it with a ring spanner. I usually use a 14" pair of stillsons on the lock nut on the track rod if it's tight, to at least move it initially, then remove the taper to screw the joint off the track rod once you've freed it off.
Good to see you and Tim taking care of Bella,the air and fuel filters were well past the use by date it’s a tribute to Citroen that she was still running.Can I suggest a road test on a Subaru Brat or Brumby as they are called in Australia,on FB this morning there is two Brats for sale at Gravesend UK,they are quite popular in Australia,cheers.
Looking not bad at all! Sounds like Bella is staying on the fleet for a while with this maintenance and plans of waxing next year. Probably not a bad idea at all, she seems to tick many boxes 👍
Enjoying the videos on the channel as always 👍👍👍
Not to bad for an old berlingo. Might have a bit more power now.👍
Seems a little smoother, but don't think we'll be going racing just yet.
@@HubNut As long as you are happy with her that's the main thing. 😀
@@HubNut Remap??
A very good Terry Wogan (Blankety Blank) impression with the microphone there Ian haha! I agree about service intervals, I ignore them and get mine serviced every 10k because my car is used for 70/30, town/ A roads so needs a service sooner in my mind.
Made me think of Wogan also!! Hubnutty Hub!😁
@@2760ade After I commented I read someone else in the comments mention it too which means we're all showing our age lol
@@graemew7001 Unfortunately yes!🤣
I laughed when I heard Tim's radio mic picking up the water running. In 30 years working in live entertaimnent I've heard one or two things come over the PA that shouldn't have!
Thankfully the toilet is out of range...
I'd go to Cambrian Classics if i lived near his garage. Tim knows what he's doing and is as honest as you can get.
Cracking little bus, genuinely lovely little vehicles, great maintenance and with that sort of care she will last a long while, no real replacement for stuff like this really
Bela by the sea resilient for rust and high mileage and has not been looked after but is now been cared for by the Hubnut family and friends well done !
It had a service piece of paper wiped across it taken by those results Mr HubNut, that's in very tidy condition for its age and mileage especially underneath, a definite keep on your fleet.
hope the belingo runs smoother now, should do. and a bit better MPG as well
A ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Amazing it's not scaled up underneath considering it's lived near the sea nearly all of it's life 🚗🇬🇧👍. Happy Holiday,, Ian 👍.
It is generally best to assume any car you buy is overdue for a service.
When I buy a car I always put £300 by for a service and little jobs to be sure. My last car I bought 2 years ago I spent the £300 on sump, pads and discs and a weeping shock, then I had the timing belt and water pump and it's been great since.
Three cheers for Sir Tim! 😁👍
As always unless you service yourself or know the seller don’t believe them or the book…… Tim is a good guy to know!
Excellent and additional musical interlude.
another great video has always Ian and miss hubnut and hublets and hubmutts 👍
Bella may be "cosmetically challenged" but she's still solid enough for a daily driver with a decent amount of life ahead. Sometimes pragmatism has to go before prettiness...
and with a little effort you can transform the look. on my seat estate i took off the rack , pinted the roof, tinted the windows and put on some old alloys and cleaned and polished the car..the number of people who thought i had changed the car was unbelievable
@@Grimwriggler Yep, doesn't take much.
I love the servicing placebo effect!
Ah, the Blankety Blank Microphone (Wogan Edition)!! I do like this car.
The old Blankety Blank mic, just don't go near a bloke called Kenny. Lol
Angry spider made a good cameo.
Bella has real potential!
Aw poor Tim, did all that work and then nearly didn’t get his wave in at the end. 😅
Time for Tim to help keep Bella up & running once more. I could not believe how dirty her internals were & now she must be performing better & providing Mr Hubnut with plenty more Happy Miles together.
I'm surprised she was even running looking at that fuel filter. YUCK!! Great job by Tim again.
Really a modern diesel should be serviced every 12 months or 6000 miles, I see it a lot at work where engines have black sludge permanently stuck inside them due to the manufacturers giving 20K intervals, inevitably things will fail, like the turbo.
Never quite understood the 20k service intervals when the similarly engined 406 was 12.5k. Wing might benefit from a decent PDR session? None too bad for a twenty year old seaside dweller. Might be worth checking your scuttle drains as they do block leading to water ingress which invariably finds the BCI module with amusing effects!
I didn't and don't understand 20k either, a lot can happen in 18 months to 2 years of driving so my rule is stuff that, service once a year, might cost a little more but cheaper in the long run.
I'm guessing they're expecting a van to run up the miles quicker (lower advertised TCO for fleet managers?)
I wouldn't go more than 15000km between services myself 🙂
@@deanstyles2567 That's a good point, I hadn't thought of that, fleet vehicles can probably run to that in a short amount of time and be looked after so they're ok.
I like the Blankety Blank microphone!
You talking about a full wax has given me an idea for a fundraiser that would take less than 24 hours
I’m just amazed people believe it when they’re told the car had a recent service without any evidence. Any time I buy a car the first thing I do is a full service - costs pennies and it’s a good way to see what else it needs. Letting something go 20,000 miles without a service is a peculiar attitude to maintenance.
I've said this above but when I buy a car I put £300 aside for exactly that purpose and a little more if there's no evidence of the timing belt having been done and it's never done me wrong. I did that with my current car 2 years ago and there's never been a hint of a breakdown, now I'm off to touch the window sill......wood! 😂
@@graemew7001 precisely. The same people who don’t service their cars for 20,000 miles are the same ones who are surprised when it breaks down.
I think an induction heater will be a safer tool for you Ian, HubNut and a blow lamp, help! Put the Fire Brigade on speed dial. The new ones also have a flexible cable that can be wrapped around a component if the induction coil can't be slid over. Green Diesel? Then I remembered that Agri Diesel is red in the UK.
Good idea. Matt from Furious Driving likes his, Ian. 👍
You’ve still got 23,000 miles to do to catch up with mine and it’s fantastic underneath
Reminds me of when I bought my van from a very reputable main dealer. fresh service and mot? got under her the following day to find the complete exhaust was shot. so looked at the air filter and that was filthy. it was sent back and rectified. but I always check all work from now on.
Unfortunately, I have first hand experience of dodgy servicing. About 15 years ago, my grandmother's VW Polo (a 5-door 1.9D CL, no less) stopped running one day. It turned out that none of the filters had been changed since the car was new - some of the parts still had the 1998 date stamps on them. The actual cause in this case was a blocked fuel filter, but all of them were very nasty. It had full VW main dealer service history, both from the original supplying main dealer in Heathrow, and the main dealer she bought it from in Tamworth.
Nevertheless, just because it has a full service history, even a main dealer service history, and had been stamped by the main dealer in the service record, don't assume it's been serviced properly. In fact, assume nothing has been done to it at all. I think they just charged £300 a pop for a service sticker in the windscreen, because the oil was some of the worst I've seen too! Finally, because my grandmother insisted on taking it to a garage for a service (she had to have the stamps in the book), she ended up taking it to the Proton (later Citroen) dealer around the corner. They looked after her very well.
Good video, for the age Bella isn’t to to bad shape, I so want a ramp in my unit, I have the room and height but sadly not the money atm ☹️ look forward to your next instalment 🙂👍
I had a early Berlingo EV , I think the batteries were shot as range was about 20 miles on a good day but it drove really well , it also had a factory fitted diesel heater which was incredibly effective. Sold it in 2018 but wish I kept it now and put a 20kwh ish lithium traction battery .
Yes, I fear most were scrapped due to dead batteries. A bold early attempt.
Interesting Bella’s on 20k service intervals. My 2003 206 HDi had 12k service intervals, whereas the petrol Peugeot and Citroen engines were at 20k (still far too long). A mate has just bought a 2006 Berlingo Multispace to convert into a mini camper. One owner from new, with 68k and full history. Drives beautifully.
it looks great
I've got a 2002 berlingo multispace, both rear suspension mounts corroded but not excessive, you should get ACF50 anti corrosion spray, developed by the American military it's about 14£ for an aerosol it works far better than penetrating oil.
M49s are great. My 2002 had no rust at all right up till I sold it 3 months ago. Tyre wear was always a problem though. Always on the outside edges on the front, and inside edges on the rear! Forever needing tracking. Strangely my B9 front tyres are wearing on the outsides as well! And I've tried several different places to have tracking done.
Love the content hope all is well
I'd say the last service Bella had was a "lift the bonnet, look around, suck the teeth, done" kind of job, cos them filters, jeez, I think the Titanic is in better shape than they were... :S
I tend to go for 3 to 5k on my services, 10k would scare me silly. 😯 My Corsa had been changed every 10 by the previous owner and it gave up the ghost at 100k, and had to have a new turbo at 80. On further inspection all the PCV stuff and EGR were totally ruined.
Great video😀
Use a diesel additive that cleans your injectors, it will run much better after a few hundred miles. Great to see Bella is receiving some tlc.
Oil change intervals are, in my view, far too large. Engine oil is expensive but regular oil and filter changes set against the cost of engine repairs make it essential to carry out this mini service out at more sensible distances.
A study of this vehicle makes one a Berlinguist. Maybe even a cunning Berlinguist.
Looks pretty good under there. I thought Bella was having a wee at one point.
There's a rainforest green front wing on ebay, second hand but in better shape than that one. Bit pricey though for a bit of old Berlingo at about 1/8th of the cost of the entire vehicle purchase price. Maybe this is a good time for you to attempt some panel beating Ian? haha
That's Sunday mornings sorted .... buffing yer drop links ... 😄
Nice work.
The infamous drop links went through many sets on a pug 206 i used to own. Never cared for those fuel filter housings on the 2l hdi always thought i would break it when removing and installing filters. Preferred the housing on the old xud engine wished they had kept that idea.
i well remember the old glass housing filter on my 305 estate, just take it off and clean out the bowl every 6 months or so. i miss my 305. don't see any now
@@Grimwriggler Used to have a 305 diesel lovely car little underpowered. Had to get rid as getting certain parts was hard work sometimes even the scrapyards back then had very little stuff in for them
@@Grimwriggler Saw one yesterday. An SL 4 Doors in a kakhi green. But I am cheating, being French. 😉
Were you using the special tool to open up the fuel filter housing? Luckily I know someone who has one, so I borrowed it when I did mine. He strongly advised me not to try tapping the locking ring round with a screwdriver because I'd definitely break it. I also have a spare housing just in case.
@@Zeem4 Ended up making a tool at work for doing it as i serviced it every 5000 miles. Also had a spare housing as well just in case only threw it out a few weeks ago along with some other 206 stuff even though i sold the car around 5 years ago.
Not bad at all - my own "French van with seats in it" is rotten in the front inner wings and the sills. The floor's not actually too bad though. The worst bits appear to be where the rubberised coatings have failed on joints and in corners, trapping water behind it causing the galvanising to dissolve. I once burst a big bubble on the outer sill and the water that came out was a bright blue colour.
I'm currently considering fitting a new front cross-member and subframe (almost £700), but that means getting the old ones out, and they're known for rusted-in bolts which then snap. Hours of fun ahead!
Tim’s a glutton for punishment 😂, he gets two days work into one, I wish I was nearer to give him a try.
Does tim do normal services seems like a good honest bloke he's probably booked solid
Missing an exhaust hanger rubber
Forgot to mention that. We did fit one.
It would be great to see Bella complete the 'hard knot pass' in Cumbria although not towing trailer tent I might add!
We did but it was completely accidental and left us with frayed nerves lol.
Elly has already been up it, back in 2008. Bloomin' tourists kept slowing us down!
Good job. Brakes OK? Tyre pressures? I always find that cars go better after a vacuum and polish....
Brakes are fine, rears all apart when the axle swap happened. Plenty of meat up front. Tyre pressures checked.
AY UP MR HUBNUT
I wonder what differences there were between the under body sealing on the Citroen Berlingo and the Peugeot Partner? I am curious because a family member owns a 51 plate Partner, which like your Berlingo has lived it's life by the sea, and the one thing I am astounded at is the fact the underside body work is totally rust free. I had it up on a lift earlier this year and was surprised at how good the actual body work was. Just about everything else underneath was rusty - very in some cases, but not the body work. And there was no sign of any aftermarket underseal, just the stuff she left the factory with. Thus I am wondering if Peugeot put a bit more effort into sealing the underside than Citrroen did? Not that Bella is bad for her age, have seen much newer cars with much more rust than that! But good to see your drop links came off without a fight, I had to change them on the Partner a couple of years back - they only left the vehicle after some persuading with my angle grinder.
In theory, there is no difference, because they were built in the same factory.
13:00 What I would have done is to put the rear wheels on the front for tracking as when a tyre wears it will always wear the same way it has done from the start of its life. It will make the tyres last longer also.
have you ever heard of using fish oil to prevent rust ? ,here in Oz,it used to be a common anti-rust for the chassis ,etc.
*How did she drive Ian?* Perhaps a follow up video might be awesome. Tell us whether it made a difference 👍
The Xud engines fuel filters should be changed every 12 months, we had a Mk1 xantia that wouldn't start as the filter was blocked. has the car got a Bosch diesel pump? if so it will run on filtered veg oil in the warmer weather the Bosch pumps have Bitron seals in them which can withstand the veg oil.
yes the HDIs filter need changing every 12 monthe or every other oil change, whichever sooner
I must change the fuel filter on mine as I've never done it and after seeing how bad Bella's was I think it would be advantageous. Located on the side of the fuel tank on Petrol models apparently.
Definitely worth doing.
@@HubNut Just checked manual looks relatively straight forward. Every 40,000 miles... whoops
I only got 1 of 4 bolts on my droplinks. Angle grinder for the other 3!
as it is a diesel you should go old school and do your service every 6000 miles also did you change the powered assist steering fluid seen that it's done over 100k and can be easily missed. And the last thing the blatant marketing at the end of the video😂
I would like to wish you and yours a very merry Christmas and prosperous New Year with many more camping videos some In southern europe maybe? 👍👍
PAS fluid is something I need to replace. I suspect it is ancient.
Safety Squints ! Wait a minute, I've heard that before?
I'd be interested to know if the tracking was actually out. My Doblo has been checked and is correct but still wears front tyres on the outside edge consistently. I''ve been told it's down to the high centre of gravity of these tall (ish) vehicles.
Tracking was within spec. Maybe I need to slow down on roundabouts...
@@HubNut roundabouts are little spots of fun dotted around cities.
I've had the same issue with my 2011 Panda and was told the same thing, tall and narrow so leans more and wears the outside of the front tyres so it could be true for the Doblo and Berlingo too.
Must be a doblo thing had mine done 3times my son did it the last time first two done at large tyre centres seemed to take along time for no improvement to
My Peugeot Expert was wearing front tyres out after 10 or 12,000 miles. The nearside was much worse though, and I have an idea it might have been down to the 3mm thick wedge of rust on one side at the top of the strut, pushing it out of alignment. Currently it's all in bits waiting for me to finish cleaning and painting it (and finish the welding).
Your doing a Terry Wogan Blankety Blank Microphone tribute well
Another good video 🚘🚙🚗👍👍👍👍👍👍⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
I hope one those cable ties say because hub nut and secondly the filter could have been changed, just not necessarily with a new filter 😂
First service after it left the factory it seems. 😁
Ha! Not quite that bad. Oil still looked like oil rather than treacle...
Good thing it is not a premium car, like a Mercedes, BMW, VW, Audi, Volvo or Saab of a similar age - then there would be no end to the rust... 😅 Go, Bella! - And the Renault-nerd in me instinctively noticed that Tim is sporting some very stylish head gear...
blankety blank moment hehe
Need some kurust on those exposed areas ian then you can use a great stuff called chemical metal for that area by the tow bar. As for the sensor plug clip broken. Cable tie it in place with reusable cable ties from halfords.
We used Jenolite. Broken clip was cable tied.