Honestly I think as long as PRX has Alecks they'll be able to work out a roster that works for them. He's already proven this year with something and cgrs that he can slot new players in and find equal or even better success. Potter and Alecks really did put on coaching master-classes this year.
I hope so however with cgrs in tokyo it was jinggg that quite literally carried almost every game dropping obscene numbers. He is gonna be hard to replace but i’m hopeful for the future
Sorry but In what way did Alecks put on a coaching master class? Cause I don't see it, prx only succeed cause they make decisions/plays that don't make sense. Once EG figured them out they were finished, like balla said they ran out of ideas very quickly
It's deeply upsetting how much the players on The Guard have been screwed over. And Riot desperately needs to figure their system out (though its by no means only their fault here)
Agree to everything you said. Fuck the Guard for absolutely cucking they're players because the org doesn't want to be in "esports" anymore. But also Riot releasing a statement that implies that they are worried about the money and "selling slots" vs the morals of the team left a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths. I highly suggest watching TMV's video about the guard as well as he discusses each decision riot could've done in great detail
That was great news to hear. It is still deeply unfortunate the players have to go through all this uncertainty, but hopefully in the end we'll actually get to see them play in VCT. I will miss The Guard from The Guard though.
I can't believe they were about to argue that Fnatic weren't the best team of 2023, thank god MCE stepped in. They were easily the best team throughout the year until Champs where they still got top 4 only losing to 1 team (twice). EG are the best team currently sure but only started to look S tier at the start of Tokyo
59:43 mce is the fucking goatttttt. the best team of the year is the team who only lost 3 series this entire year while winning 2 tournaments. its unarguable.
@@serenalaurence1492 Thats a dumb argument. Patriots only lost 1 game 2007. Noone cares they were best for majority of the year when they couldn't win the big one. That is coming from a patriots fan. EG won where it matter.
I swear the secret to be a GOAT is to have no thoughts at all. MCE describing Demon1 is EXACTLY like Sacy describes Aspas, thats so funny. The only difference is that Aspas choose the humble guy route instead of the bad guy, but everything else is literally the same. No thoughts, absolutely no pressure at any point, knows they're better then everyone else, and only thinking about how to get the next kill and getting out alive.
Jett should keep her 2 updrafts (core identity) and instead have 1 cloudburst with 4.5s duration, enough for a half defuse. Raze still has 2 satchels which are way more versatile than updraft, and 2.5s cloudburst is easily the weakest ability in the game. Only competition is gravnet and maybe astra stun, and both of those at least have combo potential.
Leo's latest tweet seems a little promising, looks like they're at least considering a different choice: "I appreciate the passion with which you all showed up to advocate on behalf of the players. We hear you. There are still significant risks our team needs to dig into, but we’re working through this and hope to find a positive outcome for the players. We’ll update you all when we know more."
Marved on LOUD & while Pancada remains on Sentinels would be most unexpected switcheroo for guys who watched 2022 valorant didn't care about 2023 and for some reason start watching again in 2024.😂😅
Also I find Leo's reason inconsistent with how when he talks about M80 he brings up "the players doesn't earn it", yet when he talks about the players that earned it (The Guard) he went to "the org doesn't want it, so no spot for the players"
Rumours are that Forsaken's brother Xaccurate might fill the 2nd duelist role. I assume there is already synergy there (as they are brothers) so perhaps it wont be so bad of a drop off.
I might just say something stupid, but I feel like what would make more sense for Jett is: Revert the Updraft change Change Cloudburst charges from 2 to 1 Increase Cloudbursg duration to 5 seconds (or more idk) Reverse Tailwind upwind time nerfs. With the updraft changes I totally agree on what was discussrd in the Episode. I feel like changing the Cloudburst in the way I described, makes it so you can half the spike with a smoke on top and you have a similar time with the Cloudbursts like you would have with two Cloudbursts that last 2.5 seconds, but only having one makes it so you can't just spam it somewhere and you have to be very careful to not fuck it up. It decreses Jetts ability to swiftly escape, but it also makes it so, that you can still play around it well when entrying. Like despribed in the parch notes, it still keeps Jetts unique ability to dash through a choke, but makes her a lot less versatile with defensive agression. And then the dash upwing time, I just find unnecissary, so I would revert it. I think this would make more sense, jut maybe I'm jsut tripping
couldn't they do a thing like they did with gambit where an org picks them up but isn't represented and they play under the Ascension Champions banner or Riot act as an org
2:35:24 here something important to note is that oral agreements are contractually binding in the United States. If one party believed they were orally agreeing to a deal and the other side didn’t, it has to go to court, arbitration, or reach a judicial settlement as they are disagreeing over the status and associated terms of a legally binding agreement. It’s why there are so many odd laws in the US that people think get abused and have no purpose when they aren’t, they’re barely used and almost exclusively used for issues of disagreement over oral contracts.
Played new Breeze today in comp and honestly I found it a lot worse even though I never was a huge Breeze fan. Now it's just a very boring/railroad version of the old map
how are none of them aware of the breeze changes being great a site used to be a deathtrap if none of your teammates can hold halls or mid door successfully you get pinched from 3 angles which was dumb andf you couldnt push cave because there are 2 angles to account for defenders now both of these flaws are fixed
Riot needs to study dota pro circuit works. If they want the highest competition/best possible teams. There should be relegations. Bottom teams will only care about making money and not build a roster which are competitive.
It’s INSANE how all this news boils up to a post Champions episode. Each week is the usual programming of “here’s how the games went and our analysis, maybe some drama that’ll last a day” then the season ends… BAM news incredibly consequential to the future of this game.
You take one team you already have vetted that didn’t make partnerships last year and give them all the staff from the guard they had and go from there etc or promote m80
FNS has always had an ego you can see in how he calls and his reactions when he loses this proves it crazy igl but demanding to moon and the stars and maybe even a bag is crazy rn
FNATIC were the best team to ever exist in valorant history when they were at their peak (tokyo). eg won champs, but their performance is just as good as loud or optic core peak
54:38 I'm not sure where Balla is coming from with his comments here? Like, FNC won all 4 pistols against FUT and 2/4 bonuses as well! Yes Alfa playing very well, but considering there were only 5 clutches in the match (Alfa 1v1, Boaster 1v1 & 1v2, Mojj 1v1 & 1v3), I just don't see how Balla could see this game as the proof they weren't winning champs. (Tho if he'd said the FNC v Loud UQF game, then I'd understand.)
Fnatic HAS to be significantly worse PRX and EG both bet Loud, who were the Grand FInal Bouncer in this tournament Fnatic had two bites at the cherry and fumbled both I think at least in their heads it'll feel like an utter failure
Team gets predicted for MAYBE a top four finish and goes and stomps the GF They're arguing semantics because it's literally the whole show and that's fine but there's no way EG should be in anything but significantly better and it feels vaguely like the analysts not being willing to eat their words so much
Like you can't just be like "well we put them top three in our list!" Go back and watch the episode, they're not giving EG a single chance to actually close out the whole thing, and they're practically putting them top 3 as lip service (frankly, they're not really giving anyone bar Fnatic any hope) I would say they shattered expectations and yet here we are trying to downplay it to not make ourselves look silly for thinking they'd backslide after Masters
Bro the 3 professional casters and the professional coach didn't know yoru tp turns against the wall it touches?? I'm gold, have never played yoru in ranked and know that, isn't this like you guys' job ?? Bruh😂
honestly this shit that riot pulled is massively fucked,like they just have to somehow get the guard an org. Honestly we cant just act like them doing nothing is a thing they can genuinely do
VOD Frogs represent! 🐸🫡
Indeed
Yes sir
Ayo
Valoplant ants represent 🐜🫡
o7 why do they have to accommodate to the british tory and start this at 8am pst, we have real jobs unlike a certain tory on this podcast
sideshow advocating for child labor with that mustache is too funny, my guy was meant to be living in the industrial revolution LMAO
THE CHILDREN YEARN FOR THE MINES
Honestly I think as long as PRX has Alecks they'll be able to work out a roster that works for them. He's already proven this year with something and cgrs that he can slot new players in and find equal or even better success. Potter and Alecks really did put on coaching master-classes this year.
I hope so however with cgrs in tokyo it was jinggg that quite literally carried almost every game dropping obscene numbers. He is gonna be hard to replace but i’m hopeful for the future
Sorry but In what way did Alecks put on a coaching master class? Cause I don't see it, prx only succeed cause they make decisions/plays that don't make sense. Once EG figured them out they were finished, like balla said they ran out of ideas very quickly
Kurt sliding in cloud 9 next to liquid was slick 💀
It's deeply upsetting how much the players on The Guard have been screwed over. And Riot desperately needs to figure their system out (though its by no means only their fault here)
Agree to everything you said. Fuck the Guard for absolutely cucking they're players because the org doesn't want to be in "esports" anymore. But also Riot releasing a statement that implies that they are worried about the money and "selling slots" vs the morals of the team left a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths. I highly suggest watching TMV's video about the guard as well as he discusses each decision riot could've done in great detail
Luckily they backtracked
That was great news to hear. It is still deeply unfortunate the players have to go through all this uncertainty, but hopefully in the end we'll actually get to see them play in VCT.
I will miss The Guard from The Guard though.
Riot shouldve done a regular relegation system. They did this bs system so they could have more control
I can't believe they were about to argue that Fnatic weren't the best team of 2023, thank god MCE stepped in. They were easily the best team throughout the year until Champs where they still got top 4 only losing to 1 team (twice). EG are the best team currently sure but only started to look S tier at the start of Tokyo
No joke though, if you guys shipped to the UK iId 100% buy Plat Chat merch
@@rambujamI wish they did that, atleast then I'd be able to get it here in portugal somehow
Mce is the goat
bring FNS for an episode
this would be fucking insane...
GENIUS IDEA
yea probably make an all time teams tierlist. so comparing peak gambit sentinels optic loud etc
59:43 mce is the fucking goatttttt. the best team of the year is the team who only lost 3 series this entire year while winning 2 tournaments. its unarguable.
@@serenalaurence1492 Thats a dumb argument. Patriots only lost 1 game 2007. Noone cares they were best for majority of the year when they couldn't win the big one. That is coming from a patriots fan. EG won where it matter.
Bring alecks in one episode, it should be interesting
Waiting for the platchat "go on a run?!" Shirt
I swear the secret to be a GOAT is to have no thoughts at all. MCE describing Demon1 is EXACTLY like Sacy describes Aspas, thats so funny. The only difference is that Aspas choose the humble guy route instead of the bad guy, but everything else is literally the same. No thoughts, absolutely no pressure at any point, knows they're better then everyone else, and only thinking about how to get the next kill and getting out alive.
Hoping to see some backchat during the off season! Interrogate the pros 😂
Jett should keep her 2 updrafts (core identity) and instead have 1 cloudburst with 4.5s duration, enough for a half defuse.
Raze still has 2 satchels which are way more versatile than updraft, and 2.5s cloudburst is easily the weakest ability in the game. Only competition is gravnet and maybe astra stun, and both of those at least have combo potential.
Leo's latest tweet seems a little promising, looks like they're at least considering a different choice:
"I appreciate the passion with which you all showed up to advocate on behalf of the players. We hear you. There are still significant risks our team needs to dig into, but we’re working through this and hope to find a positive outcome for the players. We’ll update you all when we know more."
Marved on LOUD & while Pancada remains on Sentinels would be most unexpected switcheroo for guys who watched 2022 valorant didn't care about 2023 and for some reason start watching again in 2024.😂😅
1:27:23 I love boiling egg, remind me of melons clip
1:27:38 the Egg became so hardboiled after Nobody was mentioned
MCE just became my fav Coach. I live for when the other team crys in chat over my stiff dragon vandal!
I get a hard on when they cry over my digital hard on
this plus the radianite upgrade system is such a scam, I refuse to buy radianite
I played a game the other day and saw a dragon vandal and dropped that immediately with disappointment when it was stiff
The reason of "franchising doesn't mean how good the players are, it's about the org" just doesn't make any sense with ascension in hand
Also I find Leo's reason inconsistent with how when he talks about M80 he brings up "the players doesn't earn it", yet when he talks about the players that earned it (The Guard) he went to "the org doesn't want it, so no spot for the players"
Rumours are that Forsaken's brother Xaccurate might fill the 2nd duelist role. I assume there is already synergy there (as they are brothers) so perhaps it wont be so bad of a drop off.
Xccurate plays in flex role but he mostly play Chamber. Forsaken probably play duelist again
MCE is always great to watch on the show
I might just say something stupid, but I feel like what would make more sense for Jett is:
Revert the Updraft change
Change Cloudburst charges from 2 to 1
Increase Cloudbursg duration to 5 seconds (or more idk)
Reverse Tailwind upwind time nerfs.
With the updraft changes I totally agree on what was discussrd in the Episode.
I feel like changing the Cloudburst in the way I described, makes it so you can half the spike with a smoke on top and you have a similar time with the Cloudbursts like you would have with two Cloudbursts that last 2.5 seconds, but only having one makes it so you can't just spam it somewhere and you have to be very careful to not fuck it up. It decreses Jetts ability to swiftly escape, but it also makes it so, that you can still play around it well when entrying. Like despribed in the parch notes, it still keeps Jetts unique ability to dash through a choke, but makes her a lot less versatile with defensive agression.
And then the dash upwing time, I just find unnecissary, so I would revert it.
I think this would make more sense, jut maybe I'm jsut tripping
Please make a “bricked up for the queen” shirt!!!
couldn't they do a thing like they did with gambit where an org picks them up but isn't represented and they play under the Ascension Champions banner or Riot act as an org
1:36:57 Kurt thought nobody would notice (and they did not)
Balla says something about it shortly after, the only one who caught it.
2:35:24 here something important to note is that oral agreements are contractually binding in the United States. If one party believed they were orally agreeing to a deal and the other side didn’t, it has to go to court, arbitration, or reach a judicial settlement as they are disagreeing over the status and associated terms of a legally binding agreement. It’s why there are so many odd laws in the US that people think get abused and have no purpose when they aren’t, they’re barely used and almost exclusively used for issues of disagreement over oral contracts.
I would buy a "We're in LA baby" Platchat x Champs shirt easily
Played new Breeze today in comp and honestly I found it a lot worse even though I never was a huge Breeze fan. Now it's just a very boring/railroad version of the old map
Anyone else get the sense that MCE just wants to see the world burn?
So nice to see Jack Black's son getting some air time
Kurt straight up throwing PlatChats best monetisation path away to MCE lmao
Valorant Pros should make/join a union.
Get your money, players
There's already an union..
plat chat merch is needed
how are none of them aware of the breeze changes being great a site used to be a deathtrap if none of your teammates can hold halls or mid door successfully you get pinched from 3 angles which was dumb andf you couldnt push cave because there are 2 angles to account for defenders now both of these flaws are fixed
3 and a hald hours WOWZERS
Riot needs to study dota pro circuit works. If they want the highest competition/best possible teams. There should be relegations. Bottom teams will only care about making money and not build a roster which are competitive.
The only acceptable face on plat chat merch is Kurt, because nobody else knows who it is anyway, so it's even better
It’s INSANE how all this news boils up to a post Champions episode. Each week is the usual programming of “here’s how the games went and our analysis, maybe some drama that’ll last a day” then the season ends… BAM news incredibly consequential to the future of this game.
Swap Nobody for Biank and EDG gonna pop off
bro recency bias is crazy. Fnatic is of course the best team of 2023. Just look at how dominant they were not only on VLR stats.
My Jett updraft crouch spam tech 😢
What is the reason for stopping the 5 players on starting an new org under a new name that has no backing and gains nothing from the slot
ya cant just start a new org without money,like idk what it takes to make up an org but im sure its not just a name
You take one team you already have vetted that didn’t make partnerships last year and give them all the staff from the guard they had and go from there etc or promote m80
PLEASE MAKE MERCH
I will buy a plat chat meme shirt.
kinda crazy how riot seems to mess up random things like all the time
Honestly I'm so fucking mad about the guard....
Who isn’t?
@qeito4157 there are people, even in this comment section who 1) think riot did the right thing, or 2) seem to take the "it is what it is" attitude
MCE and The Senator made for the best episode in a long time.
imperium classic was in beta
We need a "Are you bricked up for the queen?" Shirt
LISTEN TO MCE ABOUT THE MERCH, SCREW YOU KURT!!!😂
FNS has always had an ego you can see in how he calls and his reactions when he loses this proves it crazy igl but demanding to moon and the stars and maybe even a bag is crazy rn
Thing is NA lacks decent igls to begin with so he should be in high demand. So many na teams struggles in that department
I don't think any orgs will take him up on his offer, maybe next year. But I respect him for knowing what he wants at least.
FNATIC were the best team to ever exist in valorant history when they were at their peak (tokyo). eg won champs, but their performance is just as good as loud or optic core peak
Stop the cap. Lol such an L take cope harder EU fanboy couldn't even make it to top 3 KEKW. 1 team region and at best barely made 4th
Whzy judging NRG is gonna be one of the biggest memes forever
54:38 I'm not sure where Balla is coming from with his comments here? Like, FNC won all 4 pistols against FUT and 2/4 bonuses as well! Yes Alfa playing very well, but considering there were only 5 clutches in the match (Alfa 1v1, Boaster 1v1 & 1v2, Mojj 1v1 & 1v3), I just don't see how Balla could see this game as the proof they weren't winning champs. (Tho if he'd said the FNC v Loud UQF game, then I'd understand.)
EG wins champions, makes the ultimate cinderella run after adding Demon1 and complete a fantastic storyline:
PlatChat: bedge
Fnatic HAS to be significantly worse
PRX and EG both bet Loud, who were the Grand FInal Bouncer in this tournament
Fnatic had two bites at the cherry and fumbled both
I think at least in their heads it'll feel like an utter failure
i need at least one mcE episode per month. dude is so fucking funny
Josh "the children want to work in the mines" sideshow.
they say they don't want to put M80 in because they didn't win... but are also NOT putting the guard in even though they WON! A joke of an excuse
They didn't plan nothing, they are making these rules on the fly
I think they should promote Brimstone Gaming to Franchising
EG was kind of strat saving in groups, I mean for example they didn't play their comp on Pearl, so tbh they completely smoked the groups for that
Hear me out: Girl Kissers in the VCT
VOD froggin’ 😌
The real villain of valorant isnt evil geniuses but its leo faria
Really cool for them to get rivers cuomo to guest star
You know it’s bad when people side with riot over the org
balla is so real for saying forsaken is the most important player on prx
MCE is just a Platchat fanboy that found a way in.
Is balla going by arten now? Or is josh just trolling him
1:25:41 mce is a legend. Achillios's bias just becomes too apparent for some teams some times
Team gets predicted for MAYBE a top four finish and goes and stomps the GF
They're arguing semantics because it's literally the whole show and that's fine but there's no way EG should be in anything but significantly better and it feels vaguely like the analysts not being willing to eat their words so much
Like you can't just be like "well we put them top three in our list!"
Go back and watch the episode, they're not giving EG a single chance to actually close out the whole thing, and they're practically putting them top 3 as lip service (frankly, they're not really giving anyone bar Fnatic any hope)
I would say they shattered expectations and yet here we are trying to downplay it to not make ourselves look silly for thinking they'd backslide after Masters
Also MCE's point is dense as hell
Clown9 gonna stay Clown9ing clearly
How about riot just choose wich org gets the spot, just like they did with franchise?
nice i love this game
George Geddes' fingers are gonna be shaking now every time he types about EG on Twitter after potter won
If you make those shirts under 35 I'm 100% buying
“Sushi with men” when!?!?
Some basketball players started playing pro at the age of 15. So what is the problem?
Bruh the Bone Thugz reference
Someone needs to tell Balla to turn down his noise gate a bit. It's too aggressive his voice gets cut out every so often every episode he's in.
Promote fart clan to vct
Holy shit mCe wasn’t lying Boostio wasn’t on eg
shouldn't riot just make a simili org to support free agent teams, that runs exactly like they want orgs to work and just make it a normal example
Goodbye everyone see you all in January
Time for PRX to pick up LEW lol
i thought they need to keep 3 players of the team. isnt that the case?
LET GOOOOO
Can anyone give me context to what they said about nobody at 1:27:37
th-cam.com/video/3uTH6awKv_Q/w-d-xo.html
Ropes incident around 17:30
More bone-headed plays and feeding as well throughout the map
Bro the 3 professional casters and the professional coach didn't know yoru tp turns against the wall it touches?? I'm gold, have never played yoru in ranked and know that, isn't this like you guys' job ?? Bruh😂
honestly this shit that riot pulled is massively fucked,like they just have to somehow get the guard an org. Honestly we cant just act like them doing nothing is a thing they can genuinely do
I would say edg is as expected or?
I want merch
what is ithe percentage of this being the GUARD's fault or riot's
Bring back old Breeze
why is it crazy that fns wants to build a team?
Nice
Plat chat without Bren is always less fun🤔
😮💨😮💨😮💨😮💨😮💨
mce does too many jokes hes funny but sometimes its too much
mce such a troll
fnatic better why they bad :(
why do they have to accommodate to the british tory and start this at 8am pst, we have real jobs unlike a certain tory on this podcast