Jean de Florette is incredibly compelling and it's sequel Manon of The Spring is equally phenomenal. Underrated movies that need to be revived and revisited.
"He only had three hits". A teenager had three hit songs before the age of 18. That's pretty freaking amazing. I can't believe Roger was actually putting down that accomplishment by this young boy. Who knows how many great songs he would have created if he'd lived......
Well if you also think about it, Ritchie Valens' career only last 8 months, so that really wasn't a good length of time, and plus having 3 hit songs isn't that better then being considered a one hit wonder?
I agree, but to this day I have yet to see a movie about the Big Bopper but of course we know how it will end because he was on that same plane with Buddy Holly & Ritchie Valens
I’ve never seen, nor will I ever watch, “Revenge of the Nerds II.” But that short scene with the chalk outline on the floor of the hotel room and the “magic carpet”cracked me up.
They are completely wrong not speak higher of La Bamba, even though it seems they like it. With the problems of today, it's pretty incredible a hispanic guy had a knock out hit in Spanish 62 years ago! It showed how music could cross cultures in a time when it was near impossible. It had great performances. The mother was especially really good. Sure Valens didn't have the discography of Holly but I think was the point. I think Valens was only around on the scene for less than a year.
I remember I saw Labamba as a little kid and my older Brother told me it had the most swearing of any movie we had ever seen! Lol, they probably just said fuck 2x and shit 3x or something.
Ritchie was all about family. With his first paycheck he bought a house for his mom. I met the real Bob Morales 15 years ago.He was such a stand up guy,any question I would ask about Ritchie he answered them with heart.We even cried together.I hope to meet the rest of the family some day.It would be an honor.
Richie Valens is an amazing story. Latino who is an overnight megastar overnight in the 1950s? Three big hits? Dead at 17? I mean, we think it's early when it's the 27 club (i.e. Joplin, Hendrix, Cobain...), but 17? Come on... Great story. Sad.
I DONT BELIEVE he said Richie Valens was far over than Buddy Holly in music. But also to say its the same ending. Labamba was emphasized that it would show the plane taking off where TBHS only told it in monologue. It seems they doubt Richie Valens believed and or dreamed of dieing in a plane crash...all family members and musicians who knew who confirm it
That is a good point, and plus La Bamba shows the reactions to his family members of when they hear about the plane crash, you see his brother wearing on the bottom of the car, and keeps working into hear he believes which he is correct that he heard Ritchie Valens name mentioned in the report being of the dead.
I argue that Ebert doesn't understand that Revenge of the Nerds II needs to have these "nerds" in the role of cool, confident guys given what happened at the end of the first one. They've gained their confidence even if society at large still looks down on them.
@@sha11235 I hate to be that guy, but Lewis standing up to the hulking jailbird was obviously supposed to be humorous, being that its "out-of-character" to see some pencil-neck intimidating someone twice his size. It's a trope as old as the "comedy film" itself, probably. Siskel & Ebert were very weird in that they were clearly capable of thought-provoking commentary on the subtext of certain films; other times some of the most simplistic on-the-nose shit just jetted right over their heads.
It may be true that buddy Holly was a bigger influence in music than valens, but I had never heard of the buddy Holly story until I was a teenager. I grew up with la bamba however, and if you ask me, It seems to be a far better known film.
No disrespect intended, but the movie La Bamba is more famous than Ritchie Valens and the Los Lobos covers of La Bamba and Come On, Let's Go got more radio play than the originals ever did. Yes, Valens had talent, but as far as cultural impact goes, when people hear his name they think of Lou Diamond Phillips and Los Lobos. People inspired by Buddy Holly? The Hollies, The Beatles (the name is even a nod to The Crickets), The Rolling Stones, Bob Dylan, Bobby Vee, Waylon Jennings, The Everly Brothers, Eric Clapton, Elton John, Don McClean, Bruce Springsteen, Brian Setzer, The Clash, Weezer, and my dad and uncles. Well-established artists have recorded "Sings Buddy Holly" albums decades after his death, That'll Be The Day has been recorded by over 80 artists, he was one of the original inductees in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, a hologram of Holly has gone on tour... he was the waiter in Pulp Fiction :)
I wonder and maybe even doubt that this two were aware that The Buddy Holly Story was a fictionalized version of Buddy Holly's life. The Buddy Holly Story had cut a lot of the major player's in Buddy Holly's career out, and even had fictious names for his bandmates. La Bamba I believe was more truer to Rich Valen's story, with I think the only change that made is when they are at the airport and just before they make their ill fated short flight. Of where they show Buddy Holly tossing the win, how have I seen is that there was a coin toss, but it certain;y wasn't made at the airport, nor was it Buddy Holly that tossed the coin, it was done by a DJ that was running the concert, and that was back at the Surfball Room of where Buddy Holly, Ritchie Valens, and The Big Bopper, who nobody knew it at the time, would play their final concerts each. And it is also hard to believe that today is the 60th anniversary of February 3rd, 1959.
debgibsonfan Buddy Holly had a huge back catalogue of songs he wrote. He influenced the Beatles and Rolling Stones. Many big acts, including those two, covered his songs. One of his songs even inspired a major movie, Peggy Sue Got Married. Valens had talent, but he was only known for Come On Let’s Go, Donna and La Bamba. It’s tragic that he was killed at 17, and who knows what he could have achieved, but the 4-5 year difference with Buddy Holly is clear.
La bamba standed the test of time, i valued these guys opinions on movies but they got this one wrong la bamba is a great film and there opinion is their opinion in my opinion this movie is better than buddy holly movie
He has only three big songs? Like that’s not enough? These two guys are very disconnected. “Even if it’s true” it doesn’t work? 5:03. These two guys are completely ignorant to the fact the Buddy Holly story was an extreme factionalized movie of his life lol
@@Contractnik I could relent that perhaps the average movie-goer had no knowledge of how it went down, but anyone with even a passing interest in rock n' roll history was well-aware that a coin toss between Valens and guitarist Tommy Allsup--as well as the anecdote of how Waylon Jennings gave up his seat to the Big Bopper--was pretty much the accepted lore. By the time "La Bamba" was released, none of this was really a revelation or anything. "The Day The Music" died is/was one of the most pored over moments in pop-culture.
I think I could have written a better revenge of the nerds 2. Poindexter get some contacts and sees a bikini contest and falls for a bimbo but ends up back with a real girl the one from the first movie. That's just one example
La Bamba is a much better film than Buddy Holly. I couldn't get into it because it was so boring when my mom would watch it. Ritchie Valens was also a much better artist than Buddy Holly.
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Esai Morales is the unsung hero of La Bamba. Man, that dude is a good actor.
I agree.
I remember him in bad boys with
Sean Penn too
....
Yes Esai Morales was amazing in La Bamba.
@@reneperez7903 The brother dynamic is what gives the movie a narrative.
@@steveconn so true
La Bamba was a very good movie, plus it had the songs by Los Lobos!
Jean de Florette is incredibly compelling and it's sequel Manon of The Spring is equally phenomenal.
Underrated movies that need to be revived and revisited.
A classic every Mexican grew up with. We watched E.T. and Star Wars but always watched La bamba.
And probably "Stand and Deliver."
@@citygirl5705 are you serious??
"He only had three hits". A teenager had three hit songs before the age of 18. That's pretty freaking amazing. I can't believe Roger was actually putting down that accomplishment by this young boy. Who knows how many great songs he would have created if he'd lived......
Well if you also think about it, Ritchie Valens' career only last 8 months, so that really wasn't a good length of time, and plus having 3 hit songs isn't that better then being considered a one hit wonder?
He praises the rest of the film. People on this board ignore that.
don’t know why you characterize that as a “putdown,” if anything it’s a recognition that making a film of such a short life is a difficult feat
la bamba and the buddy holly story were both good films
I agree.
Love em both 👍
I agree, but to this day I have yet to see a movie about the Big Bopper but of course we know how it will end because he was on that same plane with Buddy Holly & Ritchie Valens
La bamba is a great movie one of my favorites from my childhood and still a favorite,a lot of Mexicans I grew up with had a copy of la bamba
I’ve never seen, nor will I ever watch, “Revenge of the Nerds II.”
But that short scene with the chalk outline on the floor of the hotel room and the “magic carpet”cracked me up.
As a kid, I had no idea about the real story. The ending was a shocker to me. Very emotional movie for me still today.
Jean de Florette was a great movie
They are completely wrong not speak higher of La Bamba, even though it seems they like it. With the problems of today, it's pretty incredible a hispanic guy had a knock out hit in Spanish 62 years ago! It showed how music could cross cultures in a time when it was near impossible. It had great performances. The mother was especially really good. Sure Valens didn't have the discography of Holly but I think was the point. I think Valens was only around on the scene for less than a year.
Something Wild is a great movie.
The part of Nerds 2 that was hilarious is right here - “Magic Carrrrrpettttt” made me laugh here just like it always has.
Rip mr. ebert of course.
I remember I saw Labamba as a little kid and my older Brother told me it had the most swearing of any movie we had ever seen! Lol, they probably just said fuck 2x and shit 3x or something.
Ritchie was all about family. With his first paycheck he bought a house for his mom.
I met the real Bob Morales 15 years ago.He was such a stand up guy,any question I would ask about Ritchie he answered them with heart.We even cried together.I hope to meet the rest of the family some day.It would be an honor.
LaBamba should be mandatory in all California high schools
la bamba was an excellent movie.
Richie Valens is an amazing story. Latino who is an overnight megastar overnight in the 1950s? Three big hits? Dead at 17? I mean, we think it's early when it's the 27 club (i.e. Joplin, Hendrix, Cobain...), but 17? Come on... Great story. Sad.
Whinehouse (27)
Mr Mojo Risin
Did Ebert actually say he might not recommend The Miracle of Morgan's Creek!!! RIP bro.
I liked Nerds 2, just not as much as the first one but still very good,
I DONT BELIEVE he said Richie Valens was far over than Buddy Holly in music. But also to say its the same ending. Labamba was emphasized that it would show the plane taking off where TBHS only told it in monologue. It seems they doubt Richie Valens believed and or dreamed of dieing in a plane crash...all family members and musicians who knew who confirm it
That is a good point, and plus La Bamba shows the reactions to his family members of when they hear about the plane crash, you see his brother wearing on the bottom of the car, and keeps working into hear he believes which he is correct that he heard Ritchie Valens name mentioned in the report being of the dead.
Jean de Florette so lovely.
The Buddy Holly Story couldn’t hold a candle to La Bamba.
La Bamba is like the all-time, quintessential Chicano movie. They didn't get it, unfortunately.
Something Wild is really really great.
La Bamba had a lot of great music, not just the 3 Valens tunes
La Bamba is WAY BETTER than the buddy holly story. La Bamba has heart, the buddy holly story has Gary Busey
Richard Salazar 🤔
true
What do you mean?
Richard Rude 🤣😂🤣😂🤣I totally agree
Both films were great but i thought La Bamba was better than The Buddy Holly Story
Buddy Holly said "ass" on TV in 1987. I am offended!
I argue that Ebert doesn't understand that Revenge of the Nerds II needs to have these "nerds" in the role of cool, confident guys given what happened at the end of the first one. They've gained their confidence even if society at large still looks down on them.
But it doesn't work when Lewis stands up to that guy in prison like that.
Gene Siskel found a spitting scene in Revenge 2 funny 😒
@@sha11235 I hate to be that guy, but Lewis standing up to the hulking jailbird was obviously supposed to be humorous, being that its "out-of-character" to see some pencil-neck intimidating someone twice his size. It's a trope as old as the "comedy film" itself, probably.
Siskel & Ebert were very weird in that they were clearly capable of thought-provoking commentary on the subtext of certain films; other times some of the most simplistic on-the-nose shit just jetted right over their heads.
Ebert's complaint was that these guys were stereotypes instead of being fully realized characters.
Sounds like Ebert wanted to show them how nerds really act. Love how the ending scene of La Bamba is in the clip... Wtf Oh the 80s.
They did that a lot. In this case, it's not too much of a spoiler.
It may be true that buddy Holly was a bigger influence in music than valens, but I had never heard of the buddy Holly story until I was a teenager. I grew up with la bamba however, and if you ask me, It seems to be a far better known film.
No disrespect intended, but the movie La Bamba is more famous than Ritchie Valens and the Los Lobos covers of La Bamba and Come On, Let's Go got more radio play than the originals ever did. Yes, Valens had talent, but as far as cultural impact goes, when people hear his name they think of Lou Diamond Phillips and Los Lobos.
People inspired by Buddy Holly? The Hollies, The Beatles (the name is even a nod to The Crickets), The Rolling Stones, Bob Dylan, Bobby Vee, Waylon Jennings, The Everly Brothers, Eric Clapton, Elton John, Don McClean, Bruce Springsteen, Brian Setzer, The Clash, Weezer, and my dad and uncles. Well-established artists have recorded "Sings Buddy Holly" albums decades after his death, That'll Be The Day has been recorded by over 80 artists, he was one of the original inductees in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, a hologram of Holly has gone on tour... he was the waiter in Pulp Fiction :)
I've been trying to find the episode when these guys reviewed State Of Grace with Sean Penn and Gary Oldman...
I'm five years to late but it's on here....
Apparently Michael Caine never takes days off. Amazing,a consistent acting career? So much of that is pixie dust
I wonder and maybe even doubt that this two were aware that The Buddy Holly Story was a fictionalized version of Buddy Holly's life. The Buddy Holly Story had cut a lot of the major player's in Buddy Holly's career out, and even had fictious names for his bandmates. La Bamba I believe was more truer to Rich Valen's story, with I think the only change that made is when they are at the airport and just before they make their ill fated short flight. Of where they show Buddy Holly tossing the win, how have I seen is that there was a coin toss, but it certain;y wasn't made at the airport, nor was it Buddy Holly that tossed the coin, it was done by a DJ that was running the concert, and that was back at the Surfball Room of where Buddy Holly, Ritchie Valens, and The Big Bopper, who nobody knew it at the time, would play their final concerts each. And it is also hard to believe that today is the 60th anniversary of February 3rd, 1959.
Ebert's an ass when he says that Holly was "much" more important, and had better music than Valens. 2 different styles - both great.
Ebert didn't know much about music
debgibsonfan Buddy Holly had a huge back catalogue of songs he wrote. He influenced the Beatles and Rolling Stones. Many big acts, including those two, covered his songs. One of his songs even inspired a major movie, Peggy Sue Got Married.
Valens had talent, but he was only known for Come On Let’s Go, Donna and La Bamba. It’s tragic that he was killed at 17, and who knows what he could have achieved, but the 4-5 year difference with Buddy Holly is clear.
Music biopics were better back then. More human. Now they're just big Broadway coloring-book musicals (Bohemian Rhapsody, Rocketman).
NERDS!!!
Su Tissue!!!!!
Is there a Big Bopper movie?
Not yet.
Nope they have never made a movie on his life
It would be a short film!
Hellooooo baby
Point of order re the Michael Caine film. Gordon Jackson was Scottish, not English.
They _say_ they are Siskel and Ebert, but how do we _know_ they are Siskel and Ebert?
La bamba standed the test of time, i valued these guys opinions on movies but they got this one wrong la bamba is a great film and there opinion is their opinion in my opinion this movie is better than buddy holly movie
He has only three big songs? Like that’s not enough? These two guys are very disconnected. “Even if it’s true” it doesn’t work? 5:03. These two guys are completely ignorant to the fact the Buddy Holly story was an extreme factionalized movie of his life lol
Not that 'fictionalized.' Covered his life from Lubbock to fame to NY pretty well.
I love the way Siskel & Ebert just give spoilers with no warning. The coin toss in La Bamba is a freakin spoiler. Fat Ebert.
I think everyone already knew the ending anyway.
Yeah sure, a spoiler for anyone who didn't know Valens had already been dead for 30 years.
@@hamupinhere Nope. Not the point. I am specifically referring to the coin toss, whether revelatory or fictional flourish.
@@sha11235 I don't think everyone knew how it happened, or that it was a coin toss. Think deeper.
@@Contractnik I could relent that perhaps the average movie-goer had no knowledge of how it went down, but anyone with even a passing interest in rock n' roll history was well-aware that a coin toss between Valens and guitarist Tommy Allsup--as well as the anecdote of how Waylon Jennings gave up his seat to the Big Bopper--was pretty much the accepted lore.
By the time "La Bamba" was released, none of this was really a revelation or anything. "The Day The Music" died is/was one of the most pored over moments in pop-culture.
I think I could have written a better revenge of the nerds 2. Poindexter get some contacts and sees a bikini contest and falls for a bimbo but ends up back with a real girl the one from the first movie.
That's just one example
Unnecessarily down on La Bamba.
Technology dates films.
Proves that Siskel and Ebert were both hacks.
Labamba is better then buddy Holly movie 🎥 🍿 I don't know if that's because I seen labamba first
9:40 Sounds like F*ckface
My cocaine
WTF is up with Ebert's lips? It's like he has scurrrrrrvy.
Marginal thumbs up lol clowns
Melonie Griffith is the worst actress, how does she even get casted?
*cast
Daughter of Tippi Hendren, star of The Birds.
She was perfect in Something Wild
I gotta agree..she always seem like she was high off something...
Haha. So many butt hurt Richie Valens fans in the comments.
What's with this marginal thumbs up shit.
La Bamba is a much better film than Buddy Holly. I couldn't get into it because it was so boring when my mom would watch it. Ritchie Valens was also a much better artist than Buddy Holly.