60% of ALL healthcare budget goes to salaries. Think about that for a second. 60% of all tax goes to social programs of one form or the other. Think about that for a second. The reason 20 million odd people are not in employment is because of failed government policy, or, to point right a the guilty, ANC. So why do I then get punished with extra taxes to cover for the corrupt ANC? They even live off my taxes getting free water and electricity even though they are millionaires. Tax payers are being taken for granted.
This is all nonsense. I pay tax so that everyone else who isn't paying tax can get it for FREE. Why must I then have MORE of my money taken to pay for the very same thing? The cadres are stealing, and have been stealing money from the purpose of healthcare provision...get all that money back first then come talk to me about charging me twice to look after people who don't even give me a second thought.
As long as Netcare and other service providers like health care management get a good cut out of the deal they would sell out the hard pressed consumer who would be financing this either by increased taxation or by highly inflated medical scheme costs.
ANC will talk nicely to get to that money. Once they have the money they change tune and just do whatever they want. remember the COVID solidarity fund? Before they had their grubby hands on the cash they were very polite and cordial. Once they money was in the bag they turned around and started talking about only helping "previously disadvantaged people".
The family was on medical aid for many years. As minors our 2 children had 4 visits to the doctor between them. Unfortunately the coverage for dental and optician was totally inadequate. There will never be a system that works for everyone.
Sounds great for everyone working at a Corporate in the city's but what about the rest of the country and rural areas, or the fact that even if you have medical aid, you still have to get gap cover because specialist charges 4 times as much as the medical aids are willing to pay.
We need something different from the NHI. The fact that the NHS, where the public health cost was 21% of the UK national fiscus, is falling should be an indication on the long term unsustainability of these programs.
Affordable is a relative statement, but I guess when you earn 1.5 million a month, then maybe it is easy. Lts not forget the extremely high rate of unemployment.
I am a great supporter of NHI and think it is a constitutional imperative. However, as someone who uses the national health system, I know that it does not have the capacity or attitudes to serve the entire population. This scheme that is being suggested sounds very promising.
Cyril really needs to apply himself to resolve this unemployment! He needs to make SA more attractive to lure foreign investment. Let’s go GNU. Do what we are paying you to do!
That attitude is exactly why unemployment is so high. Government cannot create jobs. Gov should step out of the way and let the private sector take over.
Thank you, Alec - the proof of the pudding is in the eating. Richard Friedland is a pragmatic genius, and the proof lies in the decades of hiis expert experience in the medical industry he is a person who is guided more by practical considerations than by ideals. I hope that the majority of myopic minded people will see the many lights in the tunnel. Which is assisting the other aspects of the people in need, employment, training and boosting the economy. Phew 😊 thank goodness - Mister Common sense is still alive 😃
That was my immediate question as well. I am on a oncology treatment where the drugs for a month is R27k. Thankfully, at this stage my medical aid is supporting. Will the state controlled medical scheme be able to stock these special drugs. I have my doubts.
Why is the government health care care so much lower than pre 1994, now we want to tuck into the private medical aid resources and then why not fix the government health system ɓack to what it it was 😢. Deep down do sticky fingers want to get hold of reserves of medical aid reserves 😢
Firstly they let go of qualified health care providers and replace CEO of the hospital with individual who doesn't know or understand how a hospital function. Individual who doesn't involve the various sections of health care on implementation that is why our health system is in the stat it is.
What a load of BS. Let him first stRt by paying Pharmacist interns a decent market average and not the insulting R10k. NHI has already been succesfully piloted since 2017. Weve started with ccmdd and its growing strong. Tell me you dont know the fundamental strategy without telling me.
Hi with all due respect doctors cannot get jobs in SA : How do you come with shortages of doctors? There are no posts to train or better them selves so they have to take on "crappy" jobs to survive: FACT!!!\
Or they move overseas, where jobs are waiting for them. We don't have a shortage of doctors, we seem to have a shortage of posts in state/provincial hospitals.
all working within the pharma complex and no discussion about taking responsibility for your own health through lifestyle choices. if people want cover let them pay for it but those of us who don't subscribe to interventions like chemotherapy cannot be expected to subsidise bad longterm health decisions. netcare, your meals are not the epitome of health... change your paradigm.
60% of ALL healthcare budget goes to salaries. Think about that for a second. 60% of all tax goes to social programs of one form or the other. Think about that for a second.
The reason 20 million odd people are not in employment is because of failed government policy, or, to point right a the guilty, ANC.
So why do I then get punished with extra taxes to cover for the corrupt ANC? They even live off my taxes getting free water and electricity even though they are millionaires.
Tax payers are being taken for granted.
This is all nonsense.
I pay tax so that everyone else who isn't paying tax can get it for FREE. Why must I then have MORE of my money taken to pay for the very same thing? The cadres are stealing, and have been stealing money from the purpose of healthcare provision...get all that money back first then come talk to me about charging me twice to look after people who don't even give me a second thought.
Government and its laws have become an extraction mechanism for the cronies.
Private health care is becoming unaffordable for Mr. Average.
Before anything TALK NHI...all STATE HOSPITALS AND CLINICS had to be fixed and filled with fully qualified staff drs and all.
It always was, at least for the last 50 years. No solution has been presented in any country that fixes this!
It already is too expensive for Mr Average
@@roeteroestof3896 And the system has to go digital. Imagine what that entails.
As long as Netcare and other service providers like health care management get a good cut out of the deal they would sell out the hard pressed consumer who would be financing this either by increased taxation or by highly inflated medical scheme costs.
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ANC will talk nicely to get to that money. Once they have the money they change tune and just do whatever they want. remember the COVID solidarity fund? Before they had their grubby hands on the cash they were very polite and cordial. Once they money was in the bag they turned around and started talking about only helping "previously disadvantaged people".
How about I get to decide what to do with the results of my labour ? Seems like a much better system.
The family was on medical aid for many years. As minors our 2 children had 4 visits to the doctor between them. Unfortunately the coverage for dental and optician was totally inadequate. There will never be a system that works for everyone.
Alec just lets the guy babble on. Shouldn’t you as an interviewer challenge and pressure test this idea? Poor journalism.
Sounds great for everyone working at a Corporate in the city's but what about the rest of the country and rural areas, or the fact that even if you have medical aid, you still have to get gap cover because specialist charges 4 times as much as the medical aids are willing to pay.
So with NHI we will just let them charge whatever they want, cos no one is paying attention anymore
We need something different from the NHI. The fact that the NHS, where the public health cost was 21% of the UK national fiscus, is falling should be an indication on the long term unsustainability of these programs.
I hope you train nurses to understand that nursing is a vocation. The service & attitude in hospitals is atrocious.
Nurses like it because they have a stipend while training. Few professions have that
Don’t get in bed with the ANC on this one
Aaron Motsoaledi not the right person to lead health care in RSA.
Affordable is a relative statement, but I guess when you earn 1.5 million a month, then maybe it is easy. Lts not forget the extremely high rate of unemployment.
What about the 35% unemployed?
Fikile Mbalula and his cadres want to know what an ACTUARY is.
I am a great supporter of NHI and think it is a constitutional imperative. However, as someone who uses the national health system, I know that it does not have the capacity or attitudes to serve the entire population.
This scheme that is being suggested sounds very promising.
Can we have the presentation, or video he did yesterday ❤
Cyril really needs to apply himself to resolve this unemployment! He needs to make SA more attractive to lure foreign investment. Let’s go GNU. Do what we are paying you to do!
That attitude is exactly why unemployment is so high. Government cannot create jobs. Gov should step out of the way and let the private sector take over.
Middle way is not lucrative to ANC.
Thank you, Alec - the proof of the pudding is in the eating. Richard Friedland is a pragmatic genius, and the proof lies in the decades of hiis expert experience in the medical industry he is a person who is guided more by practical considerations than by ideals.
I hope that the majority of myopic minded people will see the many lights in the tunnel. Which is assisting the other aspects of
the people in need, employment, training and boosting the economy.
Phew 😊 thank goodness - Mister
Common sense is still alive 😃
The problem is that the cadres must constantly eat
What about pensioners? Must they pay more tax?
That was my immediate question as well. I am on a oncology treatment where the drugs for a month is R27k. Thankfully, at this stage my medical aid is supporting. Will the state controlled medical scheme be able to stock these special drugs.
I have my doubts.
As long as the ANC is not involved with the NHI various methods could work
Why didnt richard and others not get baragwanath sorted out, surely together they could have got it sorted out, they benefitted.
Why not privatize the state hospitals so they can provide good care to the people?
Why is the government health care care so much lower than pre 1994, now we want to tuck into the private medical aid resources and then why not fix the government health system ɓack to what it it was 😢. Deep down do sticky fingers want to get hold of reserves of medical aid reserves 😢
Firstly they let go of qualified health care providers and replace CEO of the hospital with individual who doesn't know or understand how a hospital function. Individual who doesn't involve the various sections of health care on implementation that is why our health system is in the stat it is.
The problem being "everyone who is employed".
Does SA have a safe whistle blower system that actually functions?
I wonder how will this work if someone works remotely? Apart from the normal NHI
Sadly some people are still getting very ill indeed from COVID
What a load of BS. Let him first stRt by paying Pharmacist interns a decent market average and not the insulting R10k. NHI has already been succesfully piloted since 2017. Weve started with ccmdd and its growing strong. Tell me you dont know the fundamental strategy without telling me.
valid points
Don't use China as an example. The government medical cover in China is very very basic.
Hi with all due respect doctors cannot get jobs in SA : How do you come with shortages of doctors? There are no posts to train or better them selves so they have to take on "crappy" jobs to survive: FACT!!!\
Or they move overseas, where jobs are waiting for them. We don't have a shortage of doctors, we seem to have a shortage of posts in state/provincial hospitals.
all working within the pharma complex and no discussion about taking responsibility for your own health through lifestyle choices. if people want cover let them pay for it but those of us who don't subscribe to interventions like chemotherapy cannot be expected to subsidise bad longterm health decisions. netcare, your meals are not the epitome of health... change your paradigm.
Great create jobs create entrepreneurs support them financially regardless of color or creed repair state hospitals and stop looting. So no to nhi.
Obama care and it failed.
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I didnt pay for medical aid nor will i pay for nhi, il pass the bill onto the company to absorb as it wishes
Which company?