Red so rare it was lost to time, a ritual Ming dish
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ก.ค. 2024
- A conversation with Jan Stuart, Melvin R. Seiden Curator of Chinese Art, Freer Gallery of Art and Arthur M. Sackler Gallery and Steven Zucker in front of Dish with copper-red glaze, Ming dynasty, porcelain with copper-red glaze; on the base, a six-character cobalt-oxide (blue reign mark in a double circle under colorless glaze, c. 1426-35, 4.6 x 22 cm (Freer Gallery of Art, Smithsonian Institution, Washington D.C.: Purchase - Charles Lang Freer Endowment and Friends of the Freer and Sackler Galleries, F2015.2a-b)
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Absolutely stunning! I could get lost in that red. Thank you for sharing.
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The yellow of the bowl associated with ritual around earth worship was extraordinary. Would love a long form video on this topic! Thank you
I think the ceramic artist Cliff Lee rediscovered this color. His work is shown at the Met in NYC and here at this museum. He also rediscovered that amazing yellow.
Would love to have heard more about the materials and methods.
They explain some of it, its a copper red glaze over a porcelain body, the work is fired in a giant wood kiln in a saggar (to protect it from the wood ash), the flame eats up the oxygen creating a 'reduction' atmosphere necessary to turn the copper from green to red, the red forms as crystals during cooling, copper is very strong, variable and sensitive so very precise firing is required to achieve an even red like this, something you can imagine is near impossible at the time and with wood as your fuel, pieces that are exposed to too much oxygen during the firing will come out a mix of red and green
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Great to hear from you from the Freer Gallery. Please discuss more Asian art on video, my students and I are riveted.
any chance this object was obtained either in the Battle of Beijing or the burning of the Summer Palace?
On the copper red glaze the white rim or edges is because the glaze is thinning with movement during the melting of the glaze
Yes, we mention this in the video, did you watch?
Knowing now how important the red is in the bowl's presentation I can only imagine the nail biting by staff over what red to choose for the text card below the bowl.
How did the private collector obtain this piece?
I like the bars on "red so rare" - there's just a nice flow to that. Sounds like it belongs at the beginning of a hot verse, lol.
Red is my favorite color, so I can practically feel my neurons going crazy over this one. So beautiful... The textural aspect gets to me too. "Raspberry" was just the right description for it. I feel like I've had raspberry purees that look just like it. You couldn't offer me food in this because I'd lick the dish for the dish's sake, lol. Maybe those are the emotions it's meant to elicit: passion, desire, lust, and longing.
Related, I enjoyed hearing Jan's enthusiasm as she spoke about this. She put me onto "secreted" being used as a verb, which I've honestly never heard before..
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The shade reminds me of high quality melted chocolate for some reason.
I wish that Smarthistory covered the provenance of the objects on their channel in more detail.
Have you looked at the section we have on smarthistory.org where we discuss provenance? Or are you only looking at our TH-cam videos? We hope to have an essay soon that looks at the fate of the imperial collections from China during the early 20th century. In the meantime have a look at our section called ARCHES.
@@smarthistory-art-history Thanks, the ARCHES material is really interesting. But really I was just hoping for a little more discussion about provenance in new videos on YT.
See the backstories in the ARCHES content for more on provenance. If you are interested in the specific works we cover, often, if a museum owns it, they will list the provenance or at least what is known of it. In this case, I vaguely remember Christies in Hong Kong held the auction maybe a dozen years ago. The interesting question of course is how it left the imperial collection. As I mentioned we hope to have an essay on that subject in the future.
@@smarthistory-art-history Has the essay been released?
Hi--there's a transcription error at 0:57. Ms. Stuart says , but it is transcribed .
That is a machine generated transcription. A human will have a look further down the line.
@@smarthistory-art-history Ok!
Also, I love your videos. Thanks for making them :)
Was this looted?
Maybe. The complex history of early 20th century China - the end of Imperial rule in 1912, the nationalization of the imperial collections in the 1920s, the invasion of the Japanese in the 1930s, the communist victory over the National Government in the 1940s all caused works of art from Imperial and private collections to be relocated numerous times and in some cases sold and resold. Much additional research needs to be done on this complex era and its impact on collections around the world. The museum notes that provenance research on this dish is underway.
I hope you find out where it came from and how it ended up in your collection.