This might be the best Neutron tutorial on youtube. Nice job, clear presentation, interesting features I haven't seen elsewhere. Thanks Another tip I found is creating a Sub-oscillator by sending Osc 1 or 2 to Env Gate 1 or 2 which triggers the Envelope at the osc rate. Then by changing the env length it changes the octave of the sub oscillator. Routing example is: Osc 2 -> E.Gate 2; Env 2 -> VCF. You can also combine this with Osc 2 original source buy summing Osc Mix with Env 2 before routing to VCF.
Thanks very much. Yes I found that tip elsewhere too but I find it a bit inconsistent across the frequency spectrum so I decided not to include. Plus it wasn't something I'd found either so I thought I'd let the original video keep the praise for it
Many thanks for posting, the best patch instruction video I've seen yet for the Neutron. Now I can mystify the neighbors even more in the pre-dawn hours!
I wouldn't call all of these advanced but the ones that use the distortion module are AWESOME! This will still be relevant long after the Proton is in our hands.
Extra: the distortion based LFO can be slowed a bit further by connecting overdrive to mult in, mult 1 to slew in, slew out to overdrive in and turning up the slew control. The LFO will lose depth the higher the slew is turned up though
Waveshaping? Run an oscillator thrugh one of the sums. ....but send an envelope, or other cv to the second sum input. As the audio signal is offset by dc one half of it will clip. Voltage controlled distortion.
You're welcome. Yes you get a lot of bang for your buck with these. I'm looking at building a rack at some point but I'm struggling to find this kind of value elsewhere
Outstandingly presented, and very informative! Thanks for sharing these tips. The ways you utilize the OD circuitry are entirely novel to me. What a burst of inspiration!
So many great ideas! Can't wait to get home to my neutron after didn't using it for a while :) Thanks a lot! Your videos are just awesome and always motivate me to make music :)
This is a video with real innovative ways of using the patching capabilities of Neutron. I mean it goes outside the usual path presented in other videos for this product. Very useful ideas. thanks!
Subscribed - learnt loads from this video and realised how the Neutron was a great buy. Highly recommend this video to open your mind to what this thing can do. Thank you so much. 🙏
Thank you very much, comments like that make it worth making videos like this 😄 Yes the Neutron has a lot to offer and is great value for money too I'd say
Amazing video! Some really crazy uses for the distortion module that I would never have thought of.... need to get experimenting! A useful build for 6:45 - the LFO actually has its own built in attenuator. Hold Key Sync to enter the LFO menu and then press and hold Osc 1 range. You’ll see the LFO shape lights ‘decrease’ (hold osc 2 to increase the LFO strength)
Thanks very much. Btw the distortion LFO can be slowed a bit further using slew in the feedback path bit it's affect will be diminished a bit. Of course, i completely forgot about that LFO attenuator! I knew uploading this video would generate some interesting ideas so thanks for that 😄
@@ChrisLodyMusic I notice! I'm a music production instructor at the Academy of Art in SF, but I have the hardest time talking to/looking at a camera. So many of my students want videos though so I have to learn! Any tips?
I still struggle to be honest. It's one of the most challenging things I've had to learn in recent times because just sat in a room talking to a camera feels super unnatural to me. You might have inspired me to make a video how to about this but for now here's a few random thoughts. For one thing it gets easier the more you do it so don't be afraid of failure to begin with. Also it's difficult to not strive for perfection for me and compare myself to others on TH-cam, but successful TH-camrs who look really slick have had a lot of practice and have probably invested lots in good recording equipment so when you start that's not what to aim for. Finding a private place to record is a must I'd say and don't be afraid to edit the hell out of things. I tend to record in short bursts, then add my footage to computer, edit out all the times I've messed up what I was trying to demonstrate and continue as it gives me a bit of headspace between filming. Also I don't write a script as I don't find it easy to follow that while trying to describe technical information. Do write out a rough guide to follow for sections if it's a complicated video though. Generally speaking too sound quality is more important than video quality, but for my tutorials I like good sound overall and a decent clear shot of my gear. One of the best ways to get good video is by using lots of light, generally normal household lighting looks much darker then you'd think when you're filming your face. There's a fair bit to unpack there but I hope it helps 😄
@@ChrisLodyMusic This is amazing thank you! In the past I've had to avoid editing too much because I can become obsessive and don't know when to stop. Perfectionism is just insecurity, I know this, and I don't even really care what people thin of me. Just have high expectations. Same reason I have tons of music no one has every heard. Ha ha *nervous laugh*
Yes that's it exactly. I'm the same, it's the need for things to be of high quality that makes me nervous and then make mistakes annoyingly. Just recently I found this guys video a lot of help on that subject and things like it th-cam.com/video/SxA69uUGEUI/w-d-xo.html
Glad you found it helpful. I don't think I can squeeze any more techniques like this out of the Neutron on it's own but it does pair very nicely with some other semi-modular gear like my Cre8audio East Beast, so maybe a video of those two together would be useful too
Holy crap man! So many amazing tips! Thank you so much for sharing these in such a clear way 👌🏼 I've been interested in the Neutron for a long time now and will finally get one used tomorrow or the day after. Even after all this time of researching it you've taught me that this thing still has more tricks up its sleeves for making gnarly, crazy sounds! I love the sound design potential that this sexy red box has. I'm intrigued by the Proton, but I prefer the Neutron.
@@ChrisLodyMusic Thsnks mate. I’m sure I will! Even more fun now with your nifty tips! 😄 Tell me - did you come up with these through random experimentation? Do you have other semimodulars? One last thing - when feeding the unit back into itself, ie the overdrive out into the overdrive in, or the filter out into the filter in, is there any chance of damaging it? Or only damaging my ears with the bonkers sounds? 😄
Like a lot of the sound design I do it's 50\50 knowledge and experimentation. I know enough about electronics to be able to build oscillators etc so that gives me ideas, then it's just a case of trying certain things to see how the specific hardware reacts. You don't need to worry about damaging any of the internal components as they all use the same voltage ranges so no harm can be done, even when plugging into other eurorack spec gear like modular and semi modular. Oscillators, filters and a lot of other synth components are built using feedback paths actually
@@ChrisLodyMusic Oh neat. That's good to know! Phewuf. And yeah, I hear ya. I love that the world of synths has this technical side of knowing what does what, and then the creative side where I can just jam out and make crazy noises :D
Hi from Belgium ! I just buy the Neutron. Thanks a lot for this great tutorial. Perfect for experience patches possibilities , and understand this beautiful machine . Subscribed. Sorry if my english is odd (i'm not sure): my first langage is french
That's about 18 minutes of premium synth nerdery - saying that I didn't even watch half of the video! Thank you for this really helpful and interesting ideas pointing back my attention on the Neutron. I don't even use it's potential I've learned again.
Thanks for some very useful tips. I had been looking for a way to fix the pitch of one of the oscillators but couldn't find a way to do it until now. BTW I think the Amplitude modulation patch could actually be considered ring modulation as it goes through zero. Through zero amplitude modulation is effectively the same thing as ring modulation. An extension of this feature is to have both oscillators ring modulated against the LFO by patching the output of osc 1&2 into attn1 and LFO into attn 1 cv input or vice versa and blend between them. Sure you know this already but maybe someone will find it useful.
You're welcome, thanks for watching 😁 It's very close to ring modulation but I held off mentioning that because there is a method I found over on a Facebook group for creating true ring modulation that I haven't tried yet. That's here if you want to have a go m.facebook.com/groups/1976681005927548/permalink/3076612392601065/
I just found your channel. Very impressive and I will be in touch. I'm at work right now, but when I get back in my studio, I'll be contacting you about a donation. I'm a proud owner of the Neutron and I'm getting into patching for better unique sounds. I'll be in touch. Thank you 😊
Try putting the Osc Mix through the Overdrive and then into the VCF. You'll then have to patch the VCF output into the VCA. This distorts the oscillators before the filter - a different and useful sound
By happenstance I've been shopping around for a used Neutron, so this is a very timely demo. Seems like a reasonable dip into the modular environment, I assume it will play well with my SQ-01, and other semi-modular gizmos. When it comes to generating random pitch and modulation I find sample and hold to be particularly useful, but the method you used here was interesting. Thanks for the always informative vids!
Thank you. Yes it will work with the Korg SQ1, you can use the gate and CV outputs on it to trigger the envelopes and send CV to the oscillators. Personally I'm on the verge of building a eurorack modular after using a friends but the Neutron is a great in-between step and can be removed from it's case and added to a eurorack system too.
Ha yes my wallet may suffer it has to be said! It seems like the next logical step for my studio at the moment even if it's just a way of adding a few extra features to semi modular, bit that's a slippery slope for sure 😅
@@ChrisLodyMusic Just to clarify, can you get true polyphony via the two oscillators for separately sequenced tracks when using the two sets of pitch and gate inputs on the Neutron? I have a Keystep Pro, which has four sets of pitch/gate/mod outputs, and can sequence four tracks. I am considering getting a Neutron. It seems as if it should work, and I think you confirmed that above, but before I read your comment I was put off by this from page 5 of the Neutron's manual: "While it is largely a monophonic instrument (one note at a time) the Poly Chain function lets you combine multiple Neutron synthesizers for polyphonic sounds."
Thank you 😁 Yes it has an LFO Rate input so could use an oscillator as an LFO, connect that to one of the attenuators and then the output of that to the LFO Rate input. That would do the job
This is so interesting. Thank you so much. Is there a comprehensive resource for the neutron button press combos and menus you use in this video. They were all new to me and I've never been able to find that magic chart that shows them all.
Yeah it in the main manual that you can find in the link below on page 17. I think for a while their website only had the quickstart guide which didn't include it. It's worth checking out the "normalised routing" diagram a bit further through the manual too. mediadl.musictribe.com/media/PLM/data/docs/P0CM5/NEUTRON_M_EN.pdf
Wow niice video!! So many ''hidden'' functions! Have question tho, isnt the mod depth already hards wired to the LFO so when you turn it up you would also get the signal from LFO would you not?? Would e greatful for an answer :)
Thank you. The LFO is the default source for the mod depth but connecting a different signal to the filter cutoff control breaks that connection and replaces it with the whatever is connected
Hi Chris. I've just reset my Neutron as per your instructions at the beginning of the video. I'm now looking at all the LFO shape lights flickering in sync, both osc square wave lights on and nothing else. No sound and no knob tweaking changes this scenario. I'm obviously missing something here. Can you help please?
I'm not sure what causes this but some people have mentioned this is a calibration mode that it can enter, though I've not been able to recreate this behaviour. Perhaps it's got something to do with the firmware version installed. Try the description below this video th-cam.com/video/_DCup0ECTxM/w-d-xo.html and this forum post llllllll.co/t/behringer-neutron-stuck-in-calibration-mode/17479
They are these Gear4Music ones. They do other lengths too but the 20cm ones are a good match for the Neutron www.gear4music.com/Keyboards-and-Pianos/Mono-Minijack-Patch-Cable-20cm-6-Pack-by-Gear4music/33P6?origin=product-ads&gclid=Cj0KCQjwvqeUBhCBARIsAOdt45a6aM8iRUUM3j65wTungh4lnpUXjGAfZ0XP6fW20f8YtIUTBvz-uU0aAi_oEALw_wcB
It wouldn't work as an envelope follower in the sense of being able to send audio into it and get a volume profile out because audio swings above and below 0v. The output of the slew would just hang around the centre unless it was rectified somehow so the audio would only produce positive voltages before it hit the slew circuit
@@ChrisLodyMusic Awesome explanation. It actually makes me want to pass audio through the slew just to hear how it comes out. Thanks to this vid I am considering buying it back. I traded mine for a Pro-1, silly me. Thank you!
Ha sorry for making you spend money 😅 Yes it's always worth experimenting by running audio into things designed for CV. In this case it works like a non resonant filter at the very bottom end
hey man! do you know by any chance if there are a possibility to trigger the lfo start time at the first note, but not on the other ones? I'm trying to sync the lfo inside the DAW, but it can't find a way to start the lfo phase from the exact movement I need, I know that keysync kinda does that, but it also retriggers every time you press a new note. Could S&H clock or midi gate be much of a help? Happy holidays to you! Best, Artemi.
There is an LFO midi clock sync function, does that not do what you want? You can access that by holding the LFO key sync button and pressing the osc sync button to toggle it
Oh of course sorry. The only thing I can think to suggest as a work around then is adding an extra note at the beginning of your project sent to the Neutron, start the project with LFO note sync on and then immediately switch it off manually on the Neutron.
@@ChrisLodyMusic thanks for your help! I was wondering about the lfo trig patchbay input on the neutron, but It works in a strange way, can't get my head around it.
I’ve just picked up a Neutron second hand. I’m using an Arturia Keystep to control it over MIDI, and first thing I was struck by was how quiet it is. When I tried to follow along with this vid, I checked I had exactly the same patch (OSC2 as 2nd LFO) and the sound is so low!? I’ve also used Gate & Pitch out on the Keystep, to E.Gate 1 & Osc 1+2 respectively, and this is the same, although the pitch is higher, not sure if this bypasses the octave setting for the Oscillators? …anyways, if I run out from the phones Jack instead it’s as you’d expect, sounds really nice, but I now have to use the phones volume knob on the back of the unit as the volume out for phones isn’t controlled by the usual knob. Am I doing something daft? (I reset the Neutron as mentioned in the start of this vid, just in case but it made no difference). Maybe the guy I bought it off has had it out of the case, and he’s knocked a variable resistor or something? 😕
One thing to check which has confused me in the past (I actually thought it was broken once!) is that with the default routing there are two volume controls, the one by the midi connection at the top right then also a level control on the overdrive section. Is it that?
@@ChrisLodyMusicLevel in the Overdive section? No, this is fully open. I copied your first patch knob for knob. Interestingly, I was using some patches with cables earlier and it often seems to rectify the issue, but I’m not sure why? If I remember right the most basic work around: OSC MIX -> VCA IN, this seemed to sort it. Think I’m going to have to send it back. 1st synth I ever buy second hand and it’s faulty. Thanks for the swift reply Chris ✌🏻
Hmm yeah if you've been working through this and it's not matching up then it certainly sounds like something is wrong. I had my first faulty synth purchase on a brand new product recently as it happens!
Well I don't want to spread this around too much because I think I was just unlucky but it was a Cre8audio Nifty Bundle. The voltage calibration was off so the pitch was about 30 cents out of tune over an octave. Shame because it was my first Eurorack case. I also bought their East Beast which is perfect. Took me over a month to get my money back after sending it back to DV247 though!
Don't worry that's what that feature does, it's mostly so you can get drones from it or run signals out into other equipment without having to trigger envelopes etc
I was close to getting this but have yet to see it do anything very interesting other that what synths have done for 40 years. There was a recent article in Attack Magazine asking if Synths have peaked, is there anything new. Their conclusion was no, not really, and that's what I'm seeing too. At this point it's really up to the user to have good skills and especially imagination.
I've been pondering this since your message. I agree that despite how good I think the Neutron is (and it is very good) it's certainly not breaking any new ground in terms of innovation. I think that's true of almost all of Behringer's products actually. But I do not believe that synths have peaked. You only have to look at something like the Arturia MicroFreak or MiniFreak with their multi algorithmic setup and how much untapped power they have to realise there is an awful lot that has yet to explored. Even if you were to speculate that there are no new original synthesis methods yet to be discovered, if you were to put this in the perspective of something like visual art it's like colours and techniques have been created in recent years that very few people have fully taken advantage of. Imagine if the colour purple was new and not many paintings actually used it! Even types of synthesis like FM that have been around for a long time are now being given better and better user interfaces and routing possibilities that open up more and more ways for users to play expressively. Personally I think the world of music in general is such a vast thing I will expire long before I'm happy I've learned enough 😄
Great video, Chris! I've had the Neutron for almost 4 years and never thought to use the Overdrive section as an independent waveshaper.
Thank you. I hope you find it useful 😁
This might be the best Neutron tutorial on youtube. Nice job, clear presentation, interesting features I haven't seen elsewhere. Thanks
Another tip I found is creating a Sub-oscillator by sending Osc 1 or 2 to Env Gate 1 or 2 which triggers the Envelope at the osc rate. Then by changing the env length it changes the octave of the sub oscillator.
Routing example is: Osc 2 -> E.Gate 2; Env 2 -> VCF.
You can also combine this with Osc 2 original source buy summing Osc Mix with Env 2 before routing to VCF.
Thanks very much.
Yes I found that tip elsewhere too but I find it a bit inconsistent across the frequency spectrum so I decided not to include. Plus it wasn't something I'd found either so I thought I'd let the original video keep the praise for it
Many thanks for posting, the best patch instruction video I've seen yet for the Neutron. Now I can mystify the neighbors even more in the pre-dawn hours!
You're very welcome. Have fun and thanks for watching 😁
6:23 That look, that says "I created a hoover."
Ha yes. That's the kind of thing my missus calls my 'synth face' 😄
I wouldn't call all of these advanced but the ones that use the distortion module are AWESOME! This will still be relevant long after the Proton is in our hands.
By far, the most useful Neutron demo/tutorial I have found. Excellent job!
Thank you 😁
Extra: the distortion based LFO can be slowed a bit further by connecting overdrive to mult in, mult 1 to slew in, slew out to overdrive in and turning up the slew control. The LFO will lose depth the higher the slew is turned up though
Waveshaping?
Run an oscillator thrugh one of the sums.
....but send an envelope, or other cv to the second sum input.
As the audio signal is offset by dc one half of it will clip.
Voltage controlled distortion.
Oooh that's a good one. Thanks I'll give that a go 👌
when you turn the LFO into an envelope, it sounds like a classic hoover ! amazing.
I bought two Neutrons as four inexpensive VCOs and two filters, etc for my Eurorack. Now you've made the other features far more useful for me!
You're welcome. Yes you get a lot of bang for your buck with these. I'm looking at building a rack at some point but I'm struggling to find this kind of value elsewhere
actually reached for a notebook and my Neutron patches blank prints to learn as much as possible from this USEFUL KNOWLEDGE packed vid ! :D thx
Awesome thanks very much 😁
Great video! Nice to see these extra patch ideas. I’ll be using some for sure.
Thanks very much, have fun 😁
Good to see you Chris. Thanks for this!
Thanks man, hope you find this useful 😁
Such a versatile synth this is, made much more versatile with your patching ideas. Thanks a ton, Chris!
Thank you, you're welcome 😁
Thanks for this Chris. Great presentation. That last sound is beautiful. Good to hear tips that are musical and encourage you explore.
Thanks very much. Glad to hear you found it inspiring 😁
Every one of these tips was a NEW tip for me. Synthtastic!
Awesome, glad to help 😁
Love that third oscillator tip! Thanks 🙏
Thanks very much, hope you find it useful
Outstandingly presented, and very informative! Thanks for sharing these tips. The ways you utilize the OD circuitry are entirely novel to me. What a burst of inspiration!
Very kind of you to say so, thanks for watching 😁
Love your tutorials! Very quick and to the point. These will be some great tricks to apply to my Neutron + Hydrasynth cross patching experiments.
So many great ideas! Can't wait to get home to my neutron after didn't using it for a while :) Thanks a lot! Your videos are just awesome and always motivate me to make music :)
Thank you. It's well worth it when I get comments like this, so thank you 😁
Incredible stuff. Looks like I'm only scratching the surface of my Neutron. Great job thanks!
Thank you, have fun 😁
Yeah! Thank you! Great patch ideas!
Thank you for these really unique patch ideas... very concisely and clearly presented. Cheers!
You're welcome, have fun 😁
Great tips, thanks very much!
Great video. Thanks for the info!
Very nice tips. Thank you.
Pure genius! Thanks for sharing !
So many things to explore! Thanks so much for sharing your knowledge 👍
My pleasure, have fun 😁
Yes - certainly the best instruction I've for the Neutron. Thanks Chris.
Thank you, glad to help 😁
Very cool. I'm excited to try this out!
You're welcome, have fun 😁
Very concise and useful information. Well presented. Subscribed.
Thanks very much, glad you enjoyed it 😁
This is really great! Thanks
You're welcome 😁
Nice tips!
I don't have any modular hardware, but just watching how people patch and explain stuff gets ideas going. Thanks again.
Thank you. Yes these are all useful concepts that can just help to learn synthesis so it's all good info 👌
Fantastic information. This will definitely get me patching on my Neutron. This may be the only video on TH-cam that shows how one shot works.
Thank you. I'm surprised there aren't more videos like this about the neutron to be honest, it has a lot to offer
This is a video with real innovative ways of using the patching capabilities of Neutron. I mean it goes outside the usual path presented in other videos for this product. Very useful ideas. thanks!
Thanks I always like to try and push the limits of hardware like this into new territory if possible 😁
Subscribed - learnt loads from this video and realised how the Neutron was a great buy. Highly recommend this video to open your mind to what this thing can do. Thank you so much. 🙏
Thank you very much, comments like that make it worth making videos like this 😄 Yes the Neutron has a lot to offer and is great value for money too I'd say
Great video. The Neutron is on my wishlist!
Thanks Mark, hope you have fun of you buy one 😁
That was bloody interesting!
Good job matey
Thanks very much 😁
While also being helpful to someone just starting out, you also are very knowledgeable. Thanks for this!
Thank you, I'm happy to help 😁
Great job, thanks. Compact, sophisticated and useful (general) tips & (Neutron) tricks, as well as their presentation.
Thank you, have fun 😁
Wow you really know your stuff. Can't wait to get back in my studio. 😊😊😊😊😊😊
Great job! Thanks for that!💥👏
great demo
Thanks 😁
Thanks, this is inspirational. I really like the Fallout-esque military bunker look, too.
Thank you. I suppose it does have that vibe about it. I hope there aren't any ghouls 😬
amazing video. thank you for sharing your knowledge
Glad you enjoyed it, have fun!
that's really cool. I've been wanting to get one of these and now I want it more!
Awesome, glad you enjoyed it
I've got two of them 😄
Great video Chris
Thanks Steve. Told you the Neutron was a decent bit of kit 😁
Nice way there to modify the noise output and loved the screening balloon sound soon after!
Yes it's always nice to find something thats a bit wild. It's just a shame the overdrive section has no CV control to get it moving
@@ChrisLodyMusic it’s close to be a modular in a box, but not quite lol
Legend! That's my day sorted
Tremendous explanation and resource thank you
You're welcome 😁
Great video ! Your Tips are very useful ... THX
Thank you, you're welcome. Have fun 😁
Thanks a lot! Great video, nice tricks!
Thank you 😁
omg man, lots of useful tips, almost feels bad that I've sold my neutron. Thanks for the video!
Thank you for watching. At least it's all concepts you can potentially use on other gear
amazing video!
Thank you, have fun
Wow 😮 i need this
Im only 2 mins in but i can already tell this is the tutorial I need thanks Chris
Glad to help, hope you find it useful 😁
Amazing video! Some really crazy uses for the distortion module that I would never have thought of.... need to get experimenting!
A useful build for 6:45 - the LFO actually has its own built in attenuator. Hold Key Sync to enter the LFO menu and then press and hold Osc 1 range. You’ll see the LFO shape lights ‘decrease’ (hold osc 2 to increase the LFO strength)
Thanks very much. Btw the distortion LFO can be slowed a bit further using slew in the feedback path bit it's affect will be diminished a bit. Of course, i completely forgot about that LFO attenuator! I knew uploading this video would generate some interesting ideas so thanks for that 😄
Great video!! Thanks so much
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You're welcome, thanks for watching 😁
this is great stuff! cheers
You're welcome
thanks buddy. very instructive.
Glad you found it helpful, thanks for watching
Nice tricks thanks 🙏🏽
Great video
Thank you 😁
You are really good at looking at the camera. Impressive! Thanks for the tutorial.
Thank you. I've only been filming myself on the channel for about a year so I really appreciate that compliment 🤜🤛
@@ChrisLodyMusic I notice! I'm a music production instructor at the Academy of Art in SF, but I have the hardest time talking to/looking at a camera. So many of my students want videos though so I have to learn! Any tips?
I still struggle to be honest. It's one of the most challenging things I've had to learn in recent times because just sat in a room talking to a camera feels super unnatural to me. You might have inspired me to make a video how to about this but for now here's a few random thoughts. For one thing it gets easier the more you do it so don't be afraid of failure to begin with. Also it's difficult to not strive for perfection for me and compare myself to others on TH-cam, but successful TH-camrs who look really slick have had a lot of practice and have probably invested lots in good recording equipment so when you start that's not what to aim for. Finding a private place to record is a must I'd say and don't be afraid to edit the hell out of things. I tend to record in short bursts, then add my footage to computer, edit out all the times I've messed up what I was trying to demonstrate and continue as it gives me a bit of headspace between filming. Also I don't write a script as I don't find it easy to follow that while trying to describe technical information. Do write out a rough guide to follow for sections if it's a complicated video though. Generally speaking too sound quality is more important than video quality, but for my tutorials I like good sound overall and a decent clear shot of my gear. One of the best ways to get good video is by using lots of light, generally normal household lighting looks much darker then you'd think when you're filming your face. There's a fair bit to unpack there but I hope it helps 😄
@@ChrisLodyMusic This is amazing thank you! In the past I've had to avoid editing too much because I can become obsessive and don't know when to stop. Perfectionism is just insecurity, I know this, and I don't even really care what people thin of me. Just have high expectations. Same reason I have tons of music no one has every heard. Ha ha *nervous laugh*
Yes that's it exactly. I'm the same, it's the need for things to be of high quality that makes me nervous and then make mistakes annoyingly. Just recently I found this guys video a lot of help on that subject and things like it th-cam.com/video/SxA69uUGEUI/w-d-xo.html
More techniques please, It has broadened my understanding a lot about the Neutron as well as synthesis in general or more advanced which I like
Glad you found it helpful. I don't think I can squeeze any more techniques like this out of the Neutron on it's own but it does pair very nicely with some other semi-modular gear like my Cre8audio East Beast, so maybe a video of those two together would be useful too
Holy crap man! So many amazing tips! Thank you so much for sharing these in such a clear way 👌🏼
I've been interested in the Neutron for a long time now and will finally get one used tomorrow or the day after. Even after all this time of researching it you've taught me that this thing still has more tricks up its sleeves for making gnarly, crazy sounds! I love the sound design potential that this sexy red box has.
I'm intrigued by the Proton, but I prefer the Neutron.
You're quite welcome 😁 glad to hear you've got one on order, I hope you have lots of fun with it
@@ChrisLodyMusic Thsnks mate. I’m sure I will! Even more fun now with your nifty tips! 😄
Tell me - did you come up with these through random experimentation? Do you have other semimodulars?
One last thing - when feeding the unit back into itself, ie the overdrive out into the overdrive in, or the filter out into the filter in, is there any chance of damaging it? Or only damaging my ears with the bonkers sounds? 😄
Like a lot of the sound design I do it's 50\50 knowledge and experimentation. I know enough about electronics to be able to build oscillators etc so that gives me ideas, then it's just a case of trying certain things to see how the specific hardware reacts. You don't need to worry about damaging any of the internal components as they all use the same voltage ranges so no harm can be done, even when plugging into other eurorack spec gear like modular and semi modular. Oscillators, filters and a lot of other synth components are built using feedback paths actually
@@ChrisLodyMusic Oh neat. That's good to know! Phewuf.
And yeah, I hear ya. I love that the world of synths has this technical side of knowing what does what, and then the creative side where I can just jam out and make crazy noises :D
Dude you are a legend!!
Thank you, you're welcome 😁
The last one is really nice idea
Thank you, have fun
superrrrrbbbbbb, happy i found ur channel today :)
Hi from Belgium ! I just buy the Neutron. Thanks a lot for this great tutorial. Perfect for experience patches possibilities , and understand this beautiful machine . Subscribed. Sorry if my english is odd (i'm not sure): my first langage is french
Thanks very much. Hope you have fun with your Neutron 😁
you are a genius 🙌🙏 thanks for this lesson
Thanks very much, you're welcome 😁
Very cool!
Thank you 😁
wonderful
Genius...Thank's a lot
Thanks for watching, have fun 😁
This makes a strong argument for owning more than one Neutron.
Ha yes I wouldn't say no. I'm trying to hold out for the Proton though as looks like it's going to be a perfect sequel to the Neutron 👌
With the lack of chips it could be a while yet, j gave in and bought another neutron for now
That's about 18 minutes of premium synth nerdery - saying that I didn't even watch half of the video! Thank you for this really helpful and interesting ideas pointing back my attention on the Neutron. I don't even use it's potential I've learned again.
Thank you, premium synth nerdery is exactly what I was aiming for 😄
J'ai pas le neutron et ça fait envie. Merci beaucoup
Great Channel Chris...you pointed me to this vid...it cuts to the quick of the subject on patching...
Thanks for some very useful tips. I had been looking for a way to fix the pitch of one of the oscillators but couldn't find a way to do it until now. BTW I think the Amplitude modulation patch could actually be considered ring modulation as it goes through zero. Through zero amplitude modulation is effectively the same thing as ring modulation. An extension of this feature is to have both oscillators ring modulated against the LFO by patching the output of osc 1&2 into attn1 and LFO into attn 1 cv input or vice versa and blend between them. Sure you know this already but maybe someone will find it useful.
You're welcome, thanks for watching 😁 It's very close to ring modulation but I held off mentioning that because there is a method I found over on a Facebook group for creating true ring modulation that I haven't tried yet. That's here if you want to have a go m.facebook.com/groups/1976681005927548/permalink/3076612392601065/
@@ChrisLodyMusic Thanks for the link.
I just found your channel. Very impressive and I will be in touch. I'm at work right now, but when I get back in my studio, I'll be contacting you about a donation. I'm a proud owner of the Neutron and I'm getting into patching for better unique sounds. I'll be in touch. Thank you 😊
Thanks very much 😁 If you want to make a a donation I'd be very grateful, you can do that using the TH-cam Super Thanks feature
Try putting the Osc Mix through the Overdrive and then into the VCF. You'll then have to patch the VCF output into the VCA. This distorts the oscillators before the filter - a different and useful sound
Oh yes that sounds like it's well worth a go, thanks
This is HUGE.
By happenstance I've been shopping around for a used Neutron, so this is a very timely demo. Seems like a reasonable dip into the modular environment, I assume it will play well with my SQ-01, and other semi-modular gizmos. When it comes to generating random pitch and modulation I find sample and hold to be particularly useful, but the method you used here was interesting. Thanks for the always informative vids!
Thank you. Yes it will work with the Korg SQ1, you can use the gate and CV outputs on it to trigger the envelopes and send CV to the oscillators. Personally I'm on the verge of building a eurorack modular after using a friends but the Neutron is a great in-between step and can be removed from it's case and added to a eurorack system too.
@@ChrisLodyMusic RIP wallet!
@@ChrisLodyMusic Good luck mate! I'm really trying to not get sucked down that Eurorack rabbit hole.
Ha yes my wallet may suffer it has to be said! It seems like the next logical step for my studio at the moment even if it's just a way of adding a few extra features to semi modular, bit that's a slippery slope for sure 😅
@@ChrisLodyMusic Just to clarify, can you get true polyphony via the two oscillators for separately sequenced tracks when using the two sets of pitch and gate inputs on the Neutron? I have a Keystep Pro, which has four sets of pitch/gate/mod outputs, and can sequence four tracks. I am considering getting a Neutron. It seems as if it should work, and I think you confirmed that above, but before I read your comment I was put off by this from page 5 of the Neutron's manual: "While it is largely a monophonic instrument (one note at a time) the Poly Chain
function lets you combine multiple Neutron synthesizers for polyphonic sounds."
Nice one! :)
Thanks
Thank you very much 😁
too good!
Glad you're enjoying it, hope you find it useful 😁
@@ChrisLodyMusic very useful im gonna try all those tricks, thyr'e all very unique ideas.
This video was amazing. Is the Neutron able to use an LFO to modulate the rate of another LFO that controlls a cutoff filter?
Thank you 😁 Yes it has an LFO Rate input so could use an oscillator as an LFO, connect that to one of the attenuators and then the output of that to the LFO Rate input. That would do the job
Спасибо, очень полезное видео.
Thanks for watching 😁
This is so interesting. Thank you so much. Is there a comprehensive resource for the neutron button press combos and menus you use in this video. They were all new to me and I've never been able to find that magic chart that shows them all.
Yeah it in the main manual that you can find in the link below on page 17. I think for a while their website only had the quickstart guide which didn't include it. It's worth checking out the "normalised routing" diagram a bit further through the manual too. mediadl.musictribe.com/media/PLM/data/docs/P0CM5/NEUTRON_M_EN.pdf
@@ChrisLodyMusic thank you, Chris!
This is one of the best videos on patching Neutron.
Thx, mate!
nice
Wow niice video!! So many ''hidden'' functions!
Have question tho, isnt the mod depth already hards wired to the LFO so when you turn it up you would also get the signal from LFO would you not??
Would e greatful for an answer :)
Thank you. The LFO is the default source for the mod depth but connecting a different signal to the filter cutoff control breaks that connection and replaces it with the whatever is connected
@@ChrisLodyMusic Ahhh Awesome! So good to know! Thank you :)
Hi Chris. I've just reset my Neutron as per your instructions at the beginning of the video. I'm now looking at all the LFO shape lights flickering in sync, both osc square wave lights on and nothing else. No sound and no knob tweaking changes this scenario. I'm obviously missing something here. Can you help please?
I'm not sure what causes this but some people have mentioned this is a calibration mode that it can enter, though I've not been able to recreate this behaviour. Perhaps it's got something to do with the firmware version installed. Try the description below this video th-cam.com/video/_DCup0ECTxM/w-d-xo.html and this forum post llllllll.co/t/behringer-neutron-stuck-in-calibration-mode/17479
@@ChrisLodyMusic ok Chris, thank you. I'll have a look 👍
What's the model of the patch cables you are using? They are so thick, looks so comfy.
They are these Gear4Music ones. They do other lengths too but the 20cm ones are a good match for the Neutron www.gear4music.com/Keyboards-and-Pianos/Mono-Minijack-Patch-Cable-20cm-6-Pack-by-Gear4music/33P6?origin=product-ads&gclid=Cj0KCQjwvqeUBhCBARIsAOdt45a6aM8iRUUM3j65wTungh4lnpUXjGAfZ0XP6fW20f8YtIUTBvz-uU0aAi_oEALw_wcB
Could someone recommend a cheap place to get a pack of cables for Neutron?
THX!
Depends where you live, but I got some from Gear4Music which was quite a good deal. Look for 'Mono Minijack Patch Cable 6 Pack'
Have you tried using the slew limiter as an envelope follower? I was wondering if that circuit works similar to Maths’ slew limiter circuit.
It wouldn't work as an envelope follower in the sense of being able to send audio into it and get a volume profile out because audio swings above and below 0v. The output of the slew would just hang around the centre unless it was rectified somehow so the audio would only produce positive voltages before it hit the slew circuit
@@ChrisLodyMusic Awesome explanation. It actually makes me want to pass audio through the slew just to hear how it comes out. Thanks to this vid I am considering buying it back. I traded mine for a Pro-1, silly me. Thank you!
Ha sorry for making you spend money 😅 Yes it's always worth experimenting by running audio into things designed for CV. In this case it works like a non resonant filter at the very bottom end
Wow
hey man!
do you know by any chance if there are a possibility to trigger the lfo start time at the first note, but not on the other ones?
I'm trying to sync the lfo inside the DAW, but it can't find a way to start the lfo phase from the exact movement I need, I know that keysync kinda does that, but it also retriggers every time you press a new note.
Could S&H clock or midi gate be much of a help?
Happy holidays to you!
Best,
Artemi.
There is an LFO midi clock sync function, does that not do what you want? You can access that by holding the LFO key sync button and pressing the osc sync button to toggle it
@@ChrisLodyMusic yeah, but it doesn't trigger the lfo, so even if the playback is on it starts from different offsets.
Oh of course sorry. The only thing I can think to suggest as a work around then is adding an extra note at the beginning of your project sent to the Neutron, start the project with LFO note sync on and then immediately switch it off manually on the Neutron.
@@ChrisLodyMusic thanks for your help! I was wondering about the lfo trig patchbay input on the neutron, but It works in a strange way, can't get my head around it.
Oh yeah I suppose that could work from an external click somehow
I’ve just picked up a Neutron second hand. I’m using an Arturia Keystep to control it over MIDI, and first thing I was struck by was how quiet it is. When I tried to follow along with this vid, I checked I had exactly the same patch (OSC2 as 2nd LFO) and the sound is so low!?
I’ve also used Gate & Pitch out on the Keystep, to E.Gate 1 & Osc 1+2 respectively, and this is the same, although the pitch is higher, not sure if this bypasses the octave setting for the Oscillators?
…anyways, if I run out from the phones Jack instead it’s as you’d expect, sounds really nice, but I now have to use the phones volume knob on the back of the unit as the volume out for phones isn’t controlled by the usual knob.
Am I doing something daft?
(I reset the Neutron as mentioned in the start of this vid, just in case but it made no difference). Maybe the guy I bought it off has had it out of the case, and he’s knocked a variable resistor or something? 😕
One thing to check which has confused me in the past (I actually thought it was broken once!) is that with the default routing there are two volume controls, the one by the midi connection at the top right then also a level control on the overdrive section. Is it that?
@@ChrisLodyMusicLevel in the Overdive section? No, this is fully open. I copied your first patch knob for knob. Interestingly, I was using some patches with cables earlier and it often seems to rectify the issue, but I’m not sure why?
If I remember right the most basic work around: OSC MIX -> VCA IN, this seemed to sort it.
Think I’m going to have to send it back. 1st synth I ever buy second hand and it’s faulty.
Thanks for the swift reply Chris ✌🏻
Hmm yeah if you've been working through this and it's not matching up then it certainly sounds like something is wrong. I had my first faulty synth purchase on a brand new product recently as it happens!
@@ChrisLodyMusic …don’t leave it there!
😁
What was it?
Well I don't want to spread this around too much because I think I was just unlucky but it was a Cre8audio Nifty Bundle. The voltage calibration was off so the pitch was about 30 cents out of tune over an octave. Shame because it was my first Eurorack case. I also bought their East Beast which is perfect. Took me over a month to get my money back after sending it back to DV247 though!
Is my Neutron faulty as I can’t turn VCA bias on at all otherwise the sound bleeds through my monitor without me playing a note
Don't worry that's what that feature does, it's mostly so you can get drones from it or run signals out into other equipment without having to trigger envelopes etc
I was close to getting this but have yet to see it do anything very interesting other that what synths have done for 40 years. There was a recent article in Attack Magazine asking if Synths have peaked, is there anything new. Their conclusion was no, not really, and that's what I'm seeing too. At this point it's really up to the user to have good skills and especially imagination.
I've been pondering this since your message. I agree that despite how good I think the Neutron is (and it is very good) it's certainly not breaking any new ground in terms of innovation. I think that's true of almost all of Behringer's products actually. But I do not believe that synths have peaked. You only have to look at something like the Arturia MicroFreak or MiniFreak with their multi algorithmic setup and how much untapped power they have to realise there is an awful lot that has yet to explored. Even if you were to speculate that there are no new original synthesis methods yet to be discovered, if you were to put this in the perspective of something like visual art it's like colours and techniques have been created in recent years that very few people have fully taken advantage of. Imagine if the colour purple was new and not many paintings actually used it! Even types of synthesis like FM that have been around for a long time are now being given better and better user interfaces and routing possibilities that open up more and more ways for users to play expressively. Personally I think the world of music in general is such a vast thing I will expire long before I'm happy I've learned enough 😄