My guess: Either the Whipple was too big for the application, or the tune is different between the two. No reason the Whipple shouldn't be as bad as the VMP. They should overlay the dyno graphs.
The answer is likely in the efficiency islands. Look at just about any dyno chart. The Whipple won’t make the same peak torque as the TVS. The TVS usually falls over a bit sooner though (Cos it’s outside it’s island). The fact that the TVS will make nearly as much torque as it does horsepower whereas the Whipple won’t, is quite telling.
Peak power is similar tvs has more peak torque and it has more average hp and torque through the entire rpm band. There's no reason to beleive it wouldn't actually "be" faster and not just "feel" faster.
nice, Looks like the rotor design of the TVS sacrifices a bit of top end to flow more efficiently down low while the whipple is geared towards making peak HP, For a dedicated drag car I would Use a whipple if you're going to be driving it at all on the street the VMP takes my vote more torque/power under the curve
So basically the TVS's have better low rpm/peak boost from the hit and the twin screws flow more air with less drop-off at the top end. I wonder how the 2.9 pullied to the same boost would compare. But that TVS whine sounds amazing and kinda took me off guard. I still plan to get a Whipple but your video helped me reconsider the 3.4 and go with the 2.9. as I only want to make 700-800 max on my car and love the beefy look of the Whipple.
I dont know if my only experiences with whipple cars were cases where they were just running too big a pulley and not enough boost but for supposed 750 horsepower cars none of them hit hard or made me feel like i was gonna shit my pants. I spend big money on something i wanna goggle when i hit it. TVS blowers just pull like a freight train and whipple was disappointing
@@brettfrimmer6567 yea the problem is the Whipple is too big all their blowers now at like 3liters are up for the coyote and gt500. When people run them on pump gas setups on stock motor they can't run small pullies because the blower is big it'll make too much boost for pump gas this makes it lazier on the hit and it won't feel nearly as good on a street pull. The tvs just has much better power and torque on the hit and it feels and is alot quicker on a stock motor pump gas setup. Even if their power peak is similar the overall curve and the power on the hit is night and day that is why they're reacting like that in this video. Whipple only lakes 3 liters and up now because of the tvs they couldn't compete with anything smaller. If they made a blower 2.65 liters it would have a hard time competing with the gen3r that is why they don't make it lol.
Hey JD. I've seen you go through several setups with the GT500 (whatever her name is). That VMP gen.1 2.3 pinned many an ass in the back of that passenger seat. It's funny to go back and watch all your victims' reactions as well as yours.😄 The current setup has the most wicked whine and looks pretty violent. I like the look, too... very clean, but nasty at the same time.👊😠 Hope you and the family have a great weekend.✌
I COMPLETELY agree. I feel exactly the same about Whipple. Very laggy. It almost seems as if Whipple needs an engine with larger cubes to really shine.
Mike Higby Shows what you know. A TVS roots is hands down more efficient than a twin screw for a given rotor size, and it’s not even close. Also, yes, a TVS 2650 makes a lot more power than Gen 2-3 Whipple 3.4.
@@BC08 it's funny how the twin screw guys are still hanging on to this whole "more efficient" spiel. They are NOT more efficient...a 2.65 liter blowing performing as well or even better than a 3.4 liter blower that is the definition of "more efficient" lol. It's the exact opposite and the only way the twin screw outperforms it is with larger blower with more displacement if they made a new 2.65 liter whipple or kb it would not be able to match what the TVS 2650 is capable of which is why they dont make one lol. All their new stuff is 3 liters or more.
Simple comparison between a roots blower and a screw blower… One simply moves a certain amount of air per revolution, the other does similarly while simultaneously compressing the air. Meaning a Whipple is better for higher boost levels. It “pressurizes” the air in the blower, then pressurizes the engine. Meaning the pressure differential between the two is better.
Exactly and whipple makes more top end and is more efficient when it comes to heat that’s why I say back to back comparisons because those TVs get real hot and lose efficiency whipple top end is we’re it’s at quarter mile race whipple all day with proper displacement 2.9 whipple vs 3.0 vmp same boost best out of 3 back to back and we would get the results whipple all day
@@utahcountypicazospage5412 tvs owns the twin screws displacement for displacement...welcome to 2020. Lol. Why do people think they get more heat soaked? Its not gonna get any more heat soaked than the twin screws unless you got a big blower barely spinning then its gonna feel lazy as hell. If youre really spinning both blowers like you should be there isnt gonna be a significant difference in heat soak ecspecially when you talk displacement for displacement. Its easy to have a 3.8 whipple against a 2.65 vmp at the same power level and say the 2.65 heat soaks more because you had to spin it up more to compete with the 3.8 not cranked up and with the 3.8 not cranked up and the vmp chanked up of course the big one barely spinning isnt gonna have as much heat soak. Its also gonna feel like dog shit compared to the vmp in overall powerband. Displacement for displacement tvs owns them point blank. The only way the twin screw matches it is a decent amount more displacement...like 2.9 vs 2.65 or 3.4 vs 2.65. If whipple made a new 2.65 it would not match the tvs that is why there isnt one. And to your original dumbass comment above if they were the same size the tvs would prob heat soak less if anything because THEY are the ones that is more efficient displacement for displacement. Get out of that 2007 way of thinking its 2020 now do some research.
@@utahcountypicazospage5412 who said whipple makes more top end? Where did this "fact" come from? What a 3.8 whipple makes more top end than a 2.65 tvs? Or a 3.4 whipple? A whipple of the same size isnt gonna make more power anywhere...low middle or high because the tvs is more efficient. The only reason the big blowers can outperform them is sheer displacement advantage. Why do you think the twin screw has to be larger to compete? Why do we compare 2.9 and 3.4 whipples and the new 3.0 against the 2.3 and 2.65 tvs blowers? You are talking big blower barely spinning vs smaller blower being pushed to the edge of course the big blower barely spinning is going to heat soak less that is common sense. Your comment should read "if you got a much larger twin screw barely spinning itll heat soak less" not "whipple has less heat soak". If both blowers were the same size and on the same pulley combo i would bet money the tvs would heat soak less...especially compared to a kb blower theyre known for being hot mofos. This whole twin screw is more efficient bs dates back to 2007 and comparing them against old eaton stock blowers from 03 cobras and 07 up gt500s. This gen3r with an eaton rotor pack is a totally different animal. You need to read up man. Educate yourself.
Hey jd I’m a big fan, I love the family dynamics you have from your channel keep it up. I’m from NY and it’ll be an honor for you to do a review on my 2013 Boss 302. Would like to pick your brain on some things. Oh yeah, the GT500’s is bananas with that set up.
Needless to say, the size of the Whipple "3.4" is the main reason why it didn't feel as aggressive compared to the VMP.... In other words, the Whipple 3.4 was too big of a supercharger.... Therefore, you should explain to your viewers the pros and cons of installing a smaller supercharger "2.3" compared to a bigger supercharger 3.4....
Eli Gonzalez I don’t need to, the 2.65L is less air per rotation but has a much higher maximum rotor rpm which produces more airflow. This is why hybrid roots TVS vs twin screw isn’t cut and dry. TVS hybrid roots flow MORE air than a larger displacement twin screw. The Gen 5 Whipple is the highest efficiency twin screw out there and liter per liter the flow is still behind the TVS.
Southflorida Nick spinning a smaller blower 10x faster don’t make it flow better just flows more than an under spun larger blower made for 25+psi something a VMP can’t do no pulley small enough
My hellcat 426 stroker has a Maggy 2650 with a 10% lower stock upper with 27% overdrive 30-38 maxed out cog pulley combo with big jons duel idler, mmx blck msmba cam, AR lt hesders, buikt ported heads, fully forged bes 426 hc stroker motor fore E85 triple pump system making 1100whp. So yea maggy 2650 is crazy!! That said i decided to go with the 3 liter Whipple with the Camaro ZL1 1LE exorcist build
A smaller pulley would up boost to where you need race fuel or e85 to run it and would be a crazy setup prob make 1000 wheel...he said that in the video. He wanted something similar power level on pump that had way more torque and a more vicous hit and thats why he went w the vmp
Nice car JD .... as a GT500 owner I have to say this comparison is not fair .... 3 liter blowers are meant to be spun hard and for high boost .... I’m surprised you didn’t push that 3.4 to the max ... that’s where they make there torque and power ..... but the 2.3 and the 2.6 blowers are monsters !!! It’s been nice watching your videos .... I sold my GT500 last night had the 3.6 kenne on there ... I will be getting the 14 and maybe I’ll go 2.6 .... nice car buddy !!!
I’ve got the Gen 3 on a sleeved motor being tuned now. It made 907/740 on the 72 mm. It ate 2 belts on the dyno, so we are adding a tensioner next week. May do the 8 rib at some point.
JD Very nice Video I also am on the fence on which blower to buy. I have a gt500 with a built motor running a port trinity 2.3 TVS looking to up grade. Looking at 2.9 Gen 4 VS 2.65 TVS. How much boost and timing are you running on 93 pump gas to get your RWHP numbers? I think the 2.65 might get me 40 rwhp over my ported 2.3 yOUR thoughts.
I totally agree with you 💯% I have a friend with a Whipple and a friend with the gen 3 r. The Whipple make 730whp and the vmp one make 712whp. The vmp feels way faster to me. Feels like it has like 150 to 200 more hp then the Whipple. My friends Whipple makes its power higher in the rpm. It almost feels like a Paxton were it make crazy power higher up. There both on pump 93. If I would buy a blower I would go with the vmp hands down
People dont understand that the overall powerband is better with the vmp that is what maked it violent on the hit and what makes it more than likely faster overall vs a similar whp twin screw. Ecspecially if it is a twin screw thats too large for the application and theyre running it turned down on pump gas . The tvs shines even more in that scenario. It isnt just about peak power its how the power is delivered and what kinda powerband you want...that is what makes the tvs ideal especially on stock motor builds (the majority). Its gonna feel a hell of alot better and likely be as fast/faster vs a similar whp setup but larger blower turning slower. Peak power only tells part of the story its about the hit and the overall powerband. Some just can't understand that lol.
I tried had a chance to experience both on other guys cars before I put the Whipple on my 2015 GT. I couldn't make an apple to apple comparison between the two because they were on different cars but from what I "felt' the VMP had more torque down low while the Whipple felt faster as the revs climbed. Both were great however I took the Whipple because at the time they had been around longer and their "kit" was better sorted out. I also, unlike a lot of people, didn't like the whine. Sounded great for about 10 minutes and then got annoying.
What do you have? I was thinking of a gen 2R on my F150, price of a gen 3 is high and what I would actually do with it - daily drive - seems a waste of a great blower
Hey man I’m going to be switching from a Whipple to a VMP 2.6 in your video is that the stock super charger wine or do you have a sound tube?? One thing I don’t like about the Whipple it has no supercharger whine looking for more wine
With that new GN three VMP are you using a sound tube for the supercharger wine or is that how the VMP sounds I currently have a Whipple and it has no supercharger wine it sucks was thinking about switching to VMP for the supercharger whine
Its likely because you're used to hearing them on coyotes they have much higher compression so they run alot lower boost at any given power level so the blower won't whine. On gt500 and terminators they are low compression so you run alot more boost for any given power level i.e. there will be alot more whine.
I was planning on going with a Kenne Belle 4.0L on my ‘14 GT500. It is currently pullied with a tune and stock blower. When the time comes I may have to reconsider a different blower. Perhaps VMP may be the way to go. Have always loved the channel JD. I remember when you hit 30K. The outro is awesome too! #TeamLaura
JD JoyrideTV Very well said! The way your car winds up and hits reminds me of how my car is currently set up. Definitely not taking away from the brutality of the VMP because it has quite a bit more attack than my ‘14 GT500’s stock blower. I don’t get out much but it would be awesome to link up with people that have those different blowers on their car so I could see how it would match up with mine!
The VMP is a smaller blower so it's going to hit harder quicker, the 3.4 has a heavy rotor pack and is a lot bigger so you're going to have to spin it harder to get the same results..
This is true but it isn't just the size of the blower it's the design itself of the tvs. They're designed to spin harder more rpm and this makes it hit harder down low and make better torque in addition to the size itself. Whipple simply making a 2.65 liter blower would not even the playing field in this regaurd the tvs would still hit harder on the hit by design and it would make more power if the same displacement. It hangs pretty good with the newest 3 liter gen 5 whipple power making wise and on max effort setups the larger intercooler on the whipple is part of what helps it make a little one power but considering there is a .35 displacement difference and that is a newer design than the 2650 the results are fairly close and the whipple won't pull away making power until you get to a max effort setup. A pump gas setup like this they probably do similar peak numbers and the tvs feels better down low and on the hit. It's just a better blower for a street car running pump gas imo. Even if you're doing max effort e85 type setup the 2650 has proven to be plenty capable. It's potential is more than a stock engine can handle and built motor setups can make tons of power. There's no reason to get a bigger blower unless you are trying to make 1300-1500+ rwhp because the tvs can handle anything up to that point.
Just watched the video JD! It was really good! Great job! Can't wait to get mine going! Did you have room on your garage walls for my 2 plates and KSHE sign? Did you show Tom the pics of my Chevelle? Have a great weekend!
Awesome Video! VMP is impressive and i'm debating between VMP Gen3 & Hellion Twin Turbo Street Sleeper. It's well documented that twin turbos on S550 is an excellent combo for big power, however VMP has gotten my attention and need to break the tie and go for one of these bad boys. Any addtional recommendation would be great.
This is a good example of how peak numbers are not nearly as telling as people think as far as how a setup is gonna perform or especially how it's gonna "feel" people spend their money too quickly without proper research. You need to have an understanding of what you want out of the car and what you want it to do well and how you want it to feel etc. The tvs blowers especially the ones from vmp are just straight badass weather you got a stock motor build or a built motor max effort e85 setup they can do whatever it is you want them to do and go well beyond 4 digit numbers at the wheels. If someone wants more power than a gen3r is capable of maybe it's time to go turbo lol. I don't see the point in these huge blowers.
Tax time is coming maybe I’ll finally ditch my gen1........prolly not still trying to pay my over priced Shelby off. This is TOTALLY off topic but y’all should make a video going paintballing!!!! Random I know..... but js... anyways great video as always. Only channel I can get my Shelby and most times a Laura Fix as well! Hehe
Eaton must have really made some ridiculous efficiency gains in their rotor lobe design. For years, all I've ever heard was how superior the twin screw design is over the rotor/lobe design of the eaton/roots style blower. And like they mentioned in the video, the Whipple may be superior at higher boost levels. So it's really good eaton has something for the people staying under 20 psi and running on pump gas. It's good to have a niche!
Given that a smaller supercharger will max out boost earlier creating more TQ and a harder hit, does the 2.65L hit harder than the stock supercharger? I know the latest generation has another 10 degree of twist and an extra lobe on lighter rotors , but is that enough to have peak efficiency start lower and not just end higher?
The tvs manhandles the stock blower in every way shape or form. Powerband will be similar and come on similar but there will just be a whole lot more of it (hp and torque). It will hit as hard as early as the the blower it will just do it alot more because of so much more torque and it will pull way better on the top end. It pulls like a train across the entire powerband which is what makes them so fun on the street and fast at the track.
Same psi? I know Whipples are not loud but Im not about the extra attention so quiet is fine for me. Were there any differences at the strip as far as 60ft and et? Trap speed? This seemed to be a video based on sound
Great video man . Still think you should do a classic mussel car for your new build think you would be real happy with that. Maybe talk to tour buddy with all the old mustang's he restores maybe he could get you a deal on one 🤔🤔😁😁
The whine on your car is ridiculous! Music to our ears 😁😁
...I want one ....sold
I know that's right!!!!! Almost better than sex lol
I will definitely go that route when the gt-500 -F-100 swap is completed
I got a vmp gen 3 2.65
@@sfcjerryharris .. for sale?
I remember finding your channel 5 years ago, you and your buddy were ripping it back then too, good to see him back!
Twobarpsi yeah that was a long time ago.
@@JD_JoyrideTV not really!
My guess: Either the Whipple was too big for the application, or the tune is different between the two. No reason the Whipple shouldn't be as bad as the VMP. They should overlay the dyno graphs.
The answer is likely in the efficiency islands. Look at just about any dyno chart. The Whipple won’t make the same peak torque as the TVS.
The TVS usually falls over a bit sooner though (Cos it’s outside it’s island). The fact that the TVS will make nearly as much torque as it does horsepower whereas the Whipple won’t, is quite telling.
Whipple is more efficient design. TVs improves efficiency but roots arent as efficient and takes more power to turn.
@@darrenmcfeaters6683 but how could it make so much more torque compared to the Whipple?
No the gas is VMP hooked him up with this supercharger hence the change back
Jeff Yes that’s exactly what happened
Glad it feels faster but Would've loved to seen the ET on both blowers.
Peak power is similar tvs has more peak torque and it has more average hp and torque through the entire rpm band. There's no reason to beleive it wouldn't actually "be" faster and not just "feel" faster.
Odin 2650 vs Gen 5 3.0 would be a good comparison. Whipple make more hp per psi with a 3.0whipple on a gen 3 mustang
I like the vmp! But i love the car and admire the whole family! Great content!
nice, Looks like the rotor design of the TVS sacrifices a bit of top end to flow more efficiently down low while the whipple is geared towards making peak HP, For a dedicated drag car I would Use a whipple if you're going to be driving it at all on the street the VMP takes my vote more torque/power under the curve
My 4.5L Whipple is making 1242 WHP and 977T working on tune 1340 to 1350 coming soon! Nice video 👍
So basically the TVS's have better low rpm/peak boost from the hit and the twin screws flow more air with less drop-off at the top end. I wonder how the 2.9 pullied to the same boost would compare. But that TVS whine sounds amazing and kinda took me off guard. I still plan to get a Whipple but your video helped me reconsider the 3.4 and go with the 2.9. as I only want to make 700-800 max on my car and love the beefy look of the Whipple.
Nice vid! My 2.9 Whipple does 751whp, 746ftq. I wouldn’t mind trying a VMP one day!
Ronnie Prado stock engine?
5 seconds into the video and I'm already smiling.. love it when she Whines.
You’re not alone here. I got sick of the lack of instant torque from my Gen 2 2.9 Whipple on my S550.
Edelbrock 2650 on the way. 👍
I dont know if my only experiences with whipple cars were cases where they were just running too big a pulley and not enough boost but for supposed 750 horsepower cars none of them hit hard or made me feel like i was gonna shit my pants. I spend big money on something i wanna goggle when i hit it. TVS blowers just pull like a freight train and whipple was disappointing
@@brettfrimmer6567 yea the problem is the Whipple is too big all their blowers now at like 3liters are up for the coyote and gt500. When people run them on pump gas setups on stock motor they can't run small pullies because the blower is big it'll make too much boost for pump gas this makes it lazier on the hit and it won't feel nearly as good on a street pull. The tvs just has much better power and torque on the hit and it feels and is alot quicker on a stock motor pump gas setup. Even if their power peak is similar the overall curve and the power on the hit is night and day that is why they're reacting like that in this video. Whipple only lakes 3 liters and up now because of the tvs they couldn't compete with anything smaller. If they made a blower 2.65 liters it would have a hard time competing with the gen3r that is why they don't make it lol.
Hey JD. I've seen you go through several setups with the GT500 (whatever her name is). That VMP gen.1 2.3 pinned many an ass in the back of that passenger seat. It's funny to go back and watch all your victims' reactions as well as yours.😄 The current setup has the most wicked whine and looks pretty violent. I like the look, too... very clean, but nasty at the same time.👊😠 Hope you and the family have a great weekend.✌
TheMick26 for sure this set up is my favorite hands down.
I have the gen 1 2.3 and it too pulls better than any other blower I have had . I bet the gen 3 is nuts with those internals .
HELL YEAH BRO!!!! BADASS, that Gen3 2650 is a nasty blower, I cant wait till i9 get my Gen3R for my 17 Roush!! VMP & GEN3 FTW
I am a 2.9 whipple with chillerbox guy , keep the whipple on point every hit!!
I COMPLETELY agree. I feel exactly the same about Whipple. Very laggy. It almost seems as if Whipple needs an engine with larger cubes to really shine.
Same. Very disappointed with the initial punch of my Gen 2 Whipple 😔
Whipple is faster up top better ET’s. VMP produces more mid range more “practical power” better street.
Nah, the 2650 makes more power across the board than the rear feed Whipple 3.4.
@@BC08 lol a roots style is never more efficient than a twin screw or whipple and kenne bell would have went out business years ago
Mike Higby Shows what you know. A TVS roots is hands down more efficient than a twin screw for a given rotor size, and it’s not even close. Also, yes, a TVS 2650 makes a lot more power than Gen 2-3 Whipple 3.4.
@@BC08 it's funny how the twin screw guys are still hanging on to this whole "more efficient" spiel. They are NOT more efficient...a 2.65 liter blowing performing as well or even better than a 3.4 liter blower that is the definition of "more efficient" lol. It's the exact opposite and the only way the twin screw outperforms it is with larger blower with more displacement if they made a new 2.65 liter whipple or kb it would not be able to match what the TVS 2650 is capable of which is why they dont make one lol. All their new stuff is 3 liters or more.
Lil' Ike Agree, the upcoming TVS 3100 is going to piss off a lot of the new Whipple 3.8 owners off .
How to spend 30k on superchargers.
The passenger face around 1:50 😂😂... but great job man I love this car no matter whipple or vmp 👍🏾
Enjoyed the video JD and Sean. Great hands-on information. VMP top notch crew. Gotta love superchargers!
Thanks Chuck!
You know Mr JD. I still have to visit to drive and film your gt500. It was very impressive before!!!
All Cars United let’s do it.
Simple comparison between a roots blower and a screw blower…
One simply moves a certain amount of air per revolution, the other does similarly while simultaneously compressing the air.
Meaning a Whipple is better for higher boost levels. It “pressurizes” the air in the blower, then pressurizes the engine. Meaning the pressure differential between the two is better.
I love the VMP Gen III 2.65. I have one on my Terminator about a month and a half now
Maybe a 2.9 Whipple would've been better than the 3.4 whipple, for the low end punch.
Chris Boyer agree.
JD JoyrideTV I have a 2.9...you made the right choice
Exactly and whipple makes more top end and is more efficient when it comes to heat that’s why I say back to back comparisons because those TVs get real hot and lose efficiency whipple top end is we’re it’s at quarter mile race whipple all day with proper displacement 2.9 whipple vs 3.0 vmp same boost best out of 3 back to back and we would get the results whipple all day
@@utahcountypicazospage5412 tvs owns the twin screws displacement for displacement...welcome to 2020. Lol. Why do people think they get more heat soaked? Its not gonna get any more heat soaked than the twin screws unless you got a big blower barely spinning then its gonna feel lazy as hell. If youre really spinning both blowers like you should be there isnt gonna be a significant difference in heat soak ecspecially when you talk displacement for displacement. Its easy to have a 3.8 whipple against a 2.65 vmp at the same power level and say the 2.65 heat soaks more because you had to spin it up more to compete with the 3.8 not cranked up and with the 3.8 not cranked up and the vmp chanked up of course the big one barely spinning isnt gonna have as much heat soak. Its also gonna feel like dog shit compared to the vmp in overall powerband. Displacement for displacement tvs owns them point blank. The only way the twin screw matches it is a decent amount more displacement...like 2.9 vs 2.65 or 3.4 vs 2.65. If whipple made a new 2.65 it would not match the tvs that is why there isnt one. And to your original dumbass comment above if they were the same size the tvs would prob heat soak less if anything because THEY are the ones that is more efficient displacement for displacement. Get out of that 2007 way of thinking its 2020 now do some research.
@@utahcountypicazospage5412 who said whipple makes more top end? Where did this "fact" come from? What a 3.8 whipple makes more top end than a 2.65 tvs? Or a 3.4 whipple? A whipple of the same size isnt gonna make more power anywhere...low middle or high because the tvs is more efficient. The only reason the big blowers can outperform them is sheer displacement advantage. Why do you think the twin screw has to be larger to compete? Why do we compare 2.9 and 3.4 whipples and the new 3.0 against the 2.3 and 2.65 tvs blowers? You are talking big blower barely spinning vs smaller blower being pushed to the edge of course the big blower barely spinning is going to heat soak less that is common sense. Your comment should read "if you got a much larger twin screw barely spinning itll heat soak less" not "whipple has less heat soak". If both blowers were the same size and on the same pulley combo i would bet money the tvs would heat soak less...especially compared to a kb blower theyre known for being hot mofos. This whole twin screw is more efficient bs dates back to 2007 and comparing them against old eaton stock blowers from 03 cobras and 07 up gt500s. This gen3r with an eaton rotor pack is a totally different animal. You need to read up man. Educate yourself.
Hey jd I’m a big fan, I love the family dynamics you have from your channel keep it up. I’m from NY and it’ll be an honor for you to do a review on my 2013 Boss 302. Would like to pick your brain on some things. Oh yeah, the GT500’s is bananas with that set up.
Mr. BosSTANG I’m down but kinda far away.
We can meet half way lol. It’s about a 4 hr trip for me to VA if you more up north.
Needless to say, the size of the Whipple "3.4" is the main reason why it didn't feel as aggressive compared to the VMP.... In other words, the Whipple 3.4 was too big of a supercharger.... Therefore, you should explain to your viewers the pros and cons of installing a smaller supercharger "2.3" compared to a bigger supercharger 3.4....
Agreed! Whipple 2.9 would’ve been ideal.
You do realize a VMP 2.65L flows MORE air than a 3.4 Whipple, right?
Southflorida Nick repeat what you just said to yourself. Slowly.
Eli Gonzalez I don’t need to, the 2.65L is less air per rotation but has a much higher maximum rotor rpm which produces more airflow. This is why hybrid roots TVS vs twin screw isn’t cut and dry. TVS hybrid roots flow MORE air than a larger displacement twin screw. The Gen 5 Whipple is the highest efficiency twin screw out there and liter per liter the flow is still behind the TVS.
Southflorida Nick spinning a smaller blower 10x faster don’t make it flow better just flows more than an under spun larger blower made for 25+psi something a VMP can’t do no pulley small enough
Tony’s reaction is one of my favorites. He really enjoyed the pulls! Fun to watch those “classic reactions”. ✌🏻
My hellcat 426 stroker has a Maggy 2650 with a 10% lower stock upper with 27% overdrive 30-38 maxed out cog pulley combo with big jons duel idler, mmx blck msmba cam, AR lt hesders, buikt ported heads, fully forged bes 426 hc stroker motor fore E85 triple pump system making 1100whp. So yea maggy 2650 is crazy!! That said i decided to go with the 3 liter Whipple with the Camaro ZL1 1LE exorcist build
Watching your videos really makes me want a VMP blower. The initial hit, the whine, most importantly the hit though lol
Don't let your dreams be dreams!
You just needed a smaller pulley on the Whipple for lower RPM 👍 but it’s what makes you happy! I love my 4.5L
A smaller pulley would up boost to where you need race fuel or e85 to run it and would be a crazy setup prob make 1000 wheel...he said that in the video. He wanted something similar power level on pump that had way more torque and a more vicous hit and thats why he went w the vmp
Nice car JD .... as a GT500 owner I have to say this comparison is not fair .... 3 liter blowers are meant to be spun hard and for high boost .... I’m surprised you didn’t push that 3.4 to the max ... that’s where they make there torque and power ..... but the 2.3 and the 2.6 blowers are monsters !!! It’s been nice watching your videos ....
I sold my GT500 last night had the 3.6 kenne on there ... I will be getting the 14 and maybe I’ll go 2.6 .... nice car buddy !!!
Joseph Webb congrats on your sell and good luck with the new car.
I’ve got the Gen 3 on a sleeved motor being tuned now. It made 907/740 on the 72 mm. It ate 2 belts on the dyno, so we are adding a tensioner next week. May do the 8 rib at some point.
JD Very nice Video I also am on the fence on which blower to buy. I have a gt500 with a built motor running a port trinity 2.3 TVS looking to up grade. Looking at 2.9 Gen 4 VS 2.65 TVS. How much boost and timing are you running on 93 pump gas to get your RWHP numbers? I think the 2.65 might get me 40 rwhp over my ported 2.3 yOUR thoughts.
Im glad i bought the vmp odin👍👍👍
I totally agree with you 💯% I have a friend with a Whipple and a friend with the gen 3 r. The Whipple make 730whp and the vmp one make 712whp. The vmp feels way faster to me. Feels like it has like 150 to 200 more hp then the Whipple. My friends Whipple makes its power higher in the rpm. It almost feels like a Paxton were it make crazy power higher up. There both on pump 93. If I would buy a blower I would go with the vmp hands down
People dont understand that the overall powerband is better with the vmp that is what maked it violent on the hit and what makes it more than likely faster overall vs a similar whp twin screw. Ecspecially if it is a twin screw thats too large for the application and theyre running it turned down on pump gas
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The tvs shines even more in that scenario. It isnt just about peak power its how the power is delivered and what kinda powerband you want...that is what makes the tvs ideal especially on stock motor builds (the majority). Its gonna feel a hell of alot better and likely be as fast/faster vs a similar whp setup but larger blower turning slower. Peak power only tells part of the story its about the hit and the overall powerband. Some just can't understand that lol.
What about compare the VMP Gen 3 with the Whipple 2.9?
Love those old videos...you should do a compilation of reactions over the years.
Which pulley did you put on this to get max boost but still be able to run 93?
I tried had a chance to experience both on other guys cars before I put the Whipple on my 2015 GT. I couldn't make an apple to apple comparison between the two because they were on different cars but from what I "felt' the VMP had more torque down low while the Whipple felt faster as the revs climbed. Both were great however I took the Whipple because at the time they had been around longer and their "kit" was better sorted out. I also, unlike a lot of people, didn't like the whine. Sounded great for about 10 minutes and then got annoying.
VMP Gen 3 is one badass blower for sure!! I have a friend that has Gen 3 running 1000HP
Can't wait to get off work to watch it! Being since I'm putting one on my Saleen, I'm sure it will be a very interesting vlog!
What year saleen?
HorsePlay Motoring It's an 06. I'm in the process of doing a Coyote Aluminator swap with a new VMP Gen 3.
huge VMP guy here. Justin is the best and your VMP III is bad ....... great numbers
What about Kenne Bell...?¿?
What is your wheel and tire setup?
1:25 when did you have Dominic Toretto on the channel?
Hi, I heard you say you are on pump gas?
What's your compression ratio and how much potential power can you make on pump?
Love the channel and sweet stang
I love my little 2.3 vmp!
What do you have? I was thinking of a gen 2R on my F150, price of a gen 3 is high and what I would actually do with it - daily drive - seems a waste of a great blower
Hey man I’m going to be switching from a Whipple to a VMP 2.6 in your video is that the stock super charger wine or do you have a sound tube??
One thing I don’t like about the Whipple it has no supercharger whine looking for more wine
This message is choose your. Superchargers whiseley for your specs in your car.
With that new GN three VMP are you using a sound tube for the supercharger wine or is that how the VMP sounds
I currently have a Whipple and it has no supercharger wine it sucks was thinking about switching to VMP for the supercharger whine
You ever thought of a kenny bell supercharger?
How is his VMP whining like that when I've heard so many other VMP SC's remain quiet?
Its likely because you're used to hearing them on coyotes they have much higher compression so they run alot lower boost at any given power level so the blower won't whine. On gt500 and terminators they are low compression so you run alot more boost for any given power level i.e. there will be alot more whine.
@@midnight347 nice. That makes sense
Does modifying the supercharger lower the value of the car?
Are all your blowers stock, or have they been ported and polished?
I was planning on going with a Kenne Belle 4.0L on my ‘14 GT500. It is currently pullied with a tune and stock blower. When the time comes I may have to reconsider a different blower. Perhaps VMP may be the way to go. Have always loved the channel JD. I remember when you hit 30K. The outro is awesome too! #TeamLaura
AdrenLnFueledScholar you need to ride in a vmp blower car vs KB or Whipple car and you’ll make up your mind quick.
JD JoyrideTV Very well said! The way your car winds up and hits reminds me of how my car is currently set up. Definitely not taking away from the brutality of the VMP because it has quite a bit more attack than my ‘14 GT500’s stock blower. I don’t get out much but it would be awesome to link up with people that have those different blowers on their car so I could see how it would match up with mine!
I'd go 3.0 whipple.
The VMP is a smaller blower so it's going to hit harder quicker, the 3.4 has a heavy rotor pack and is a lot bigger so you're going to have to spin it harder to get the same results..
This is true but it isn't just the size of the blower it's the design itself of the tvs. They're designed to spin harder more rpm and this makes it hit harder down low and make better torque in addition to the size itself. Whipple simply making a 2.65 liter blower would not even the playing field in this regaurd the tvs would still hit harder on the hit by design and it would make more power if the same displacement. It hangs pretty good with the newest 3 liter gen 5 whipple power making wise and on max effort setups the larger intercooler on the whipple is part of what helps it make a little one power but considering there is a .35 displacement difference and that is a newer design than the 2650 the results are fairly close and the whipple won't pull away making power until you get to a max effort setup. A pump gas setup like this they probably do similar peak numbers and the tvs feels better down low and on the hit. It's just a better blower for a street car running pump gas imo. Even if you're doing max effort e85 type setup the 2650 has proven to be plenty capable. It's potential is more than a stock engine can handle and built motor setups can make tons of power. There's no reason to get a bigger blower unless you are trying to make 1300-1500+ rwhp because the tvs can handle anything up to that point.
My Kenne Bell makes pretty good torque. 888.36 hp and 817.11 tq.
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Cant wait coyote in crown vic
What year mustang do you have brother? And over 800hp with stock engine?
Anthony Mannara this dude jd jackoff joyride never answers people’s questions.
@@IronMannara its an 09. It's a fully built engine
#TeamLaura great video I'm actually looking into the VMP now for my 2003 cobra
Need to race some zr1s
My gen 3 does not whine like that at all. What upper pulley were your running?
That whine never gets old!!
I have a VMP Gen3 on my Mustang and it’s quiet. No whine.
Just watched the video JD! It was really good! Great job! Can't wait to get mine going! Did you have room on your garage walls for my 2 plates and KSHE sign? Did you show Tom the pics of my Chevelle? Have a great weekend!
Nick Winkeler oh yeah. Thanks so much.
Curious if I was buy this kit put on stock car what would happen just tune going try let everyone knows what happened Louisville Kentucky watch gen 3
You need to do another reaction with that black guy (don’t know his name) but his reactions were hilarious
Awesome Video! VMP is impressive and i'm debating between VMP Gen3 & Hellion Twin Turbo Street Sleeper. It's well documented that twin turbos on S550 is an excellent combo for big power, however VMP has gotten my attention and need to break the tie and go for one of these bad boys. Any addtional recommendation would be great.
JD, what throttle body are you running with your setup?
I wish VMP had a kit for my truck.
Jd be looking16 at one point!!! These young bucks now a days lmao. Still killer ride 👍👍👍
What motor set up is on that beast?
what year is the car and what are all the mods to it?
Lol that guy went from smiling to bloody scared 😂😂😂. Thing sound beautiful man nothing like a supercharger whine.
Will the GT500 supercharger fit on a 5.0 2018+??
This is a good example of how peak numbers are not nearly as telling as people think as far as how a setup is gonna perform or especially how it's gonna "feel" people spend their money too quickly without proper research. You need to have an understanding of what you want out of the car and what you want it to do well and how you want it to feel etc. The tvs blowers especially the ones from vmp are just straight badass weather you got a stock motor build or a built motor max effort e85 setup they can do whatever it is you want them to do and go well beyond 4 digit numbers at the wheels. If someone wants more power than a gen3r is capable of maybe it's time to go turbo lol. I don't see the point in these huge blowers.
Peak numbers are the only thing twin screw and centrifugal guys care about lol. They’re missing out on all the fun for a 3% increase in peak power 😂🚮
How about pro chargers? Are they any good?
Does the VMP supercharger work for challenger also?
I got 15 mustang gt 5oth anniv. If I get the vmp, do I need to get a new clutch or can i go stock n install vmp with the parts it come with
How much boost are you making with that Gen3?
Tax time is coming maybe I’ll finally ditch my gen1........prolly not still trying to pay my over priced Shelby off. This is TOTALLY off topic but y’all should make a video going paintballing!!!! Random I know..... but js... anyways great video as always. Only channel I can get my Shelby and most times a Laura Fix as well! Hehe
Same pulleys and boost and s/c intake throat size?
Eaton must have really made some ridiculous efficiency gains in their rotor lobe design. For years, all I've ever heard was how superior the twin screw design is over the rotor/lobe design of the eaton/roots style blower. And like they mentioned in the video, the Whipple may be superior at higher boost levels. So it's really good eaton has something for the people staying under 20 psi and running on pump gas. It's good to have a niche!
Can’t wait till your next project
Great Video JD!!!!
Crazy Horse thanks.
Are you gonna get a gen3R?
I got the new gen whipple. Sold my vmp gen 3. Much happier.
It's all about the torque.
Given that a smaller supercharger will max out boost earlier creating more TQ and a harder hit, does the 2.65L hit harder than the stock supercharger? I know the latest generation has another 10 degree of twist and an extra lobe on lighter rotors , but is that enough to have peak efficiency start lower and not just end higher?
The tvs manhandles the stock blower in every way shape or form. Powerband will be similar and come on similar but there will just be a whole lot more of it (hp and torque). It will hit as hard as early as the the blower it will just do it alot more because of so much more torque and it will pull way better on the top end. It pulls like a train across the entire powerband which is what makes them so fun on the street and fast at the track.
It’s all in the tune with the Super Snake with the KB. I had mine retuned and picked up a lot more Hp an Tq.
BadAss_Kars that’s true. I’ve had some bad tunes.
Same psi? I know Whipples are not loud but Im not about the extra attention so quiet is fine for me. Were there any differences at the strip as far as 60ft and et? Trap speed? This seemed to be a video based on sound
Bad ass car though!
JD for Präsident
Hey JD are u around VA? Any good mustang workshops around the area? Where did you get the supercharger done up?
Han Tzen road trip to FL
Great video man . Still think you should do a classic mussel car for your new build think you would be real happy with that. Maybe talk to tour buddy with all the old mustang's he restores maybe he could get you a deal on one 🤔🤔😁😁
Can't wait to get my odin!!
VMP for the win!
How I wish we had vpm for our 5.4 Falcons over here in aus😓😓
Pretty sure MFP do a lower manifold for such a purpose. Matt Coates is your man.
What gen was the whipple?
What year is this mustang?
Holy shit! Makes way more instant TQ.