LTT S1: E17 - RIGHT HAND TECHNIQUE
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ก.ย. 2024
- In this episode, Laudon talks about the most common 16th and early 17th century right hand techniques. This video provides general descriptions. More in-depth videos will follow for each of the techniques. Recorded, edited, and produced by Paul Sánchez.
Links to music videos depicting different techniques:
Thumb-under: • Laudon Schuett of BEDL...
Thumb-out (middle and index alternation): • Chuck's Fantasy by Lau...
Thumb-out (Thumb and index alternation)....I don't have a high quality video of this yet but here is an example done with my little home microphone: • Video
Links to some sources on right hand technique:
Robert Dowland's "Varietie of lute lessons:" www.gerbode.net...
Thomas Robinson's "School of Music:" www.gerbode.net...
Talitha Witmer's website on historical evidence for different right hand techniques:
www.researchca...
Laudon recently released a book for intermediate and advanced students that covers a number of lute topics. It can be purchased on Amazon or directly from Mel Bay: www.melbay.com...
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At least a tuto full of joy 😂 let's wait for the next one.
Georges, from France, who learns to play the lute.
Bahahaha! I thought, "How on earth are they going to get through this?!" I can't stop laughing! Man, I needed this today. Thank you so much! Oh, and very informative. I say that with a straight face. 😉
Yeah, let’s just say that we had to do a fair bit of editing 😀 LOL
@@bedlamearlymusic7845 That is a 6 Course Renaissance Lute and it's tuned G, C, F, A, D, G. There are versions with 10 courses tuned C, D, E, F, G, C, F, A, D, G. The really neat thing about adding more strings is that it gives you a bigger range and you can also arrange Baroque Lute pieces for Renaissance Lute.
I can't tell you how much I enjoyed your freewheeling exposition of the range of possibilities for right hand technique. It seems clear from the iconography that there was an evolution over the course of the Renaissance. In the early images, such as Piero della Francesca's "Nativity" (1470) the lute players' position is as though they had simply let fall the old plectrum and kept everything else the same. But as the 16th century progresses, the hand rotates downwards. In the last decade or two, when 7th and 8th courses start appearing, then others still as the 17th century dawns; out comes the thumb, now a practical necessity, with all those bass strings to reach.
But this is what our eyes tell us. Right through the video you keep moving the ball up the field with visual demonstrations, until at last you practically cry out "Use your ears!" Field goal, right smack between the posts! Indeed, I wonder whether anyone has ever conducted a blind test: lutenists playing behind a screen, others listening to determine if they can, who's playing thumb-out, who thumb-under? How many people would get it right every time?
As for me, I have tried both thumb-under thumb-out and I find I play equally badly both ways. So for me, the jury's still out--but at least I'm not yet condemned.
I am really glad you liked the video! I know the topic is often "controversial" but I've seen so many people get frustrated by trying to play the "right" way that I thought it would be a good topic. Hope you are doing okay through this whole Covid-19 saga : )
Big help, but distracting antics for those trying to learn. We need to focus :) That, said it's great to hear we can experiment with historical justification, especially regarding "thumb under" vs alternatives. Please keep these coming.
Always an informative pleasure!
Thanks, Billy! See you soon : )
Thank you for demonstrating thumb over on a Renaissance lute. I find thumb under very difficult on my nine course, and I’ve been watching videos of Baroque lute playing to try to figure it out . I wonder why there is such a strong preference for thumb under among modern lute players.😊
Thank you! I think there are a couple reasons why modern players prefer it. First, I think it was very exciting when it was rediscovered in the 1970's and so a lot of very influential players used it. Second, it is quite distinct from modern guitar right hand technique and I think humans love to put things into simple categories like "guitar technique" and "lute technique." The nuances of reality are sometimes hard for us! Finally, I think people just don't read the sources as often as they should. We know that Dowland (among others) used thumb-out and specifically preferred it over thumb-under and yet I would say that the majority of Renaissance lute players use under when playing his music. Thumb-under was definitely the dominate technique in at least the first half of the 16th century but it wasn't the ONLY technique and certainly starts to lose its dominance in the 2nd half of the 16th century, especially on the continent. Anyways, it is a very interesting topic and I am glad you found the video useful! Happy lewting : )
Thank you so much for your insight. I guess because I don’t play the guitar, I don’t worry about people thinking that I’m not using “lute technique “. Did I mention, you guys Rock! 👍
@@ralphmarshall1000 Thank you so much, that means a lot! : )
Bonjour. On dit qu'on doit placer le petit doigt en bas, je ne le fais jamais.
They say we must put our little finger at the bottom, i tried it but it bothers me.
So i don't do it.
Laudon recently released a book for intermediate and advanced students that covers a number of lute topics. It can be purchased on Amazon or directly from Mel Bay: www.melbay.com/Products/30967/the-art-of-lute-playing.aspx
What a great video!
Thank you!
Thanks so much for this! I played lute using thumb-out from 1980-2000, and recently began playing again. Having fairly large/long thumbs, I've been struggling with becoming efficient with playing "thumb-under." Besard/Dowland's comments make me wonder if thumb under is even a usable option for me.
Welcome back to the lute! Yes, I too have a large thumb and have been much happier with thumb out since making the switch. My favorite thumb-under players do tend to have smaller thumbs so I think it is good to work out what is best for you! Happy Lewting : )
I've been playing lute music for a while on my guitar including playing and singing Dowland for my first masters recital. I have played on lutes before and am fairly strong on reading the tablature. I recently got my hands on some lutes that my local university had sitting that need played and better well kept. I typically like playing my guitars with shorter nails now anyway but I do not want to completely remove them. I find the thumb under technique to be a bit uncomfortable, causes my thumb to not feel relaxed and also feels like the fingers and thumb get in the way of each other. So thank you for the insight on earlier thumb out methods. I was wondering if you knew how much exploration in nail playing happened historically on the lute. I know that some theorbo players did particularly. I feel my short nails do not change the sound too much really, but I am just curious for future possibilities of taking over some lute gigs or playing in ensembles
Hello! I am a big fan of using nails for ensemble playing. In terms of historical evidence, Thomas Mace mentions that ensemble players use nails in their playing, though the source is quite late (1676, I think?).Piccinini mentions nails as well. For earlier repertoire, there is less evidence but I seriously suspect that some professional players used nails. Francesco da Milano used finger picks so I imagine the sound of nails wouldn’t bother audiences. There are some paintings with players who have nails but who knows if they really played the lute or were just posing? Anyways, The advantages in terms of projection are obvious and if you play in a broken consort, nails really help to get the lute out there. I think the modern “lute sound” has become too homogenized and there was probably much more variety in terms of tone and sound at the time. So have fun experimenting but do prepare yourself for being judged by the more closed-minded listeners! I find it helpful to prepare your defense lol! I am glad the thumb-out position was helpful for you, it is underutilized by the community. : ) Hope this helps a bit!
@@bedlamearlymusic7845 thank you for your reply it was very insightful! I'll keep experimenting. I likely won't cut my nails though eitherway because I prefer it too much for my contemporary guitar music. Although I may try it some day in general. Thank you!
Lots of links in the description! Videos of each of the techniques, some sources, etc. : )
Yes! Correct pronunciation of Dowland!
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