Does a Video Cart Solve My Problems | Adicam Mini not Inovativ - Vlog 112
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I’d say it’s part of your day rate. Not an upsell. A cart is not just for the client, but also for you. Efficient work and less stress meaning you can focus on your filming task.
I think I’d have an ‘adjusted’ day rate for jobs that would greatly benefit from a cart. Just one normal flat rate, no line item.
Exactly that, the cart is mostly for you so you can focus on your work and be more efficient. If you rise the rate of the stands and other heavy things by a few dollars each it could work as they are working in tandem, the cart is needed if you take the stuff, that way client can't say
- can we not pay for the cart?
@@REMY.C. I like that too. So far on the job I’m on rn, the director has said the cart was a great call and he’s glad I brought it.
@@davidmorefield I'd vote for including it as part of your day rate for one simple reason: If a client doesn't want to pay for it, but you know it's going to make your day go easier, you're going to bring it anyway, right?
I don't bill for it, but I do list it when I put a quote together so that comparable quotes are mentioning a camera cart.
I think it definitely adds professionalism, similar to filming with an FX6 versus a Sony A7s3.
While you might not be able to visually see the difference, I explained to them that it really makes a big deal in terms of efficiency and our ability to capture more footage in a given day.
Often I'm filming with a production assistant who can help with gear but I can load up a lot of gear with a 4 foot long camera cart.
Impressed with how much work you've accomplished working from a small car.
My car really fits my style. Small, minimal, sporty. Makes me feel good to be in it. A larger capacity vehicle would be so mundane for me. So I don’t mind the production limitations for now.
As a DP I think it's a little tougher to add it as a separate line item. Not sure how you're billing things out but you could try to build the cost into a package price and try that. Otherwise I would just chalk it up to the cost of business and workflow improvement. Try getting a Robocup holder for your drinks and miscellaneous!
Yeah that’s what I’m thinking. Maybe include it in my day rate for jobs that need it. Don’t even ask for approval.
On commercials and features I've worked with ACs which charge a "kit fee" for their tools, expendables, cart, follow focus, AC monitor. But as others have said, best to be part of your package rate.
She works like a charm David! Super happy for you. That’s a specialized piece of production equipment that definitely turns out to be a quality of life hack especially for solo shooters. I’ve added a Cosco branded 4-in1 cart to my arsenal in November and it has been an absolute game changer for me. The biggest feature I’m lacking right now is foot brakes for my rear 10” casters. But I can always put something behind the tires to prevent it from rolling away.
I’m glad you found a solution. I still think there should be more products on the market. It feels so good when we figure out one of our workflow problems.
If your gonna hang your tripod like that, id say get a bungee cord or something similar to secure it. Also you should look into either buying or 3d printing a cup holder attachment lol
Everybody says the robocup thing haha
I also picked up an all-black adicam standard myself a few months ago; went with the 10" wheel option and lovin' it. B&H has accessories for the adicam cart if you're looking to add another shelf to your setup. Worth checking out all the options available.
Yeah the accessories look cool. I don’t want anything else if it takes more time to setup. However I fixed the mid level shelf in a recent vlog!
Good stuff. Very helpful. Am considering getting one of these also. Thx for sharing.
More insight from my experience to come.
I think it's just a cost of doing business. It makes you more efficient, it makes you less tired, it allows for you to set-up and tear down quicker, and it adds more professionalism to you and your package. Have I ever hired someone, or been hired because of my cart no...but I have hired, and been hired because of my collection of professional equipment.
Well put
NIce. I looked at that cart when upgrading from my beach trolley. I went with the Rock N Roller - pimped it out recently with a media station (top desk/s), cable rack and cupholder. Turned it to be pretty cheap and easy to set up. I don't bill the client for it as they couldn't really care less whether I used it or a beach trolley so it's more for me than them.
Rock n Roller is a great affordable option. I wonder how the people who bought a $5k cart feel.
A few things - A camera cart is a tool and convenience for you as a DP but is not something you should be charging your clients. This is an investment for you as a filmmaker to save your back and time hauling gear back and forth. Inovativ is expensive, yes, but absolutely worth it. You learn fast in this world of gear that there is a massive difference buying high quality equipment from name brands vs cheaper knock off brands. They last. I'd buy my Inovativ over and over again if I had to. It's priceless. I can load that thing up 500lbs and move it around with absolute ease. Lastly, you will obviously out grow your car if not already, with a cart, some lights, stands, and camera bags. Just something to think about, especially if you want to keep the wheels on your cart when loading/unloading out of your vehicle.
Just finding that sweet spot for the time being. Looking forward to testing the longevity of this cart.
When I was young and stupid I had a car accident in a hatchback car filled with a some c-stands, 2 combo stands, a 2-piece kinoflo set in a flight case, a joker 800 in a flight case and a set of astra's in a pelicase. Car was totalled but by some miracle I had no scratch. they told me to get a "pizza van" (European cargo mini-van VW Caddy), which I detested at first. But it grew on me and the risk of an accident becoming lethal because I want to load my cool car with work stuff just isn't worth it. Also, when I roll up on the job, my vehicle tells you I'm there to work.
Glad you made it out safe man 🙏🏻
Your car setup is honestly impressive. I sometimes feel like my SUV is too small.
As for the price. Just put it in your day rate. The client doesn’t need to know every odd and in you bring. Just the packages.
Totally agree.
Yeah my little car is amazing haha
never thought about stands impaling me thanks for the tip!
Horrible thing to envision 😅
ACs often bill a kit fee for the use of items like hand unit or monitor or cart. This is less common for a DP to do. If your working solo just up your day rate now because you provide more value. When you work as DP with larger teams with assistants and camera operators working under you in your department the rentals will come from a Rental House but if you have certain tools production will rent from you if your AC does not have his/her own cart.
Thank you for this!
The kart looks great, I've been using one that looks like its made more for taking camping gear for smaller shoots, and for bigger stuff we use a gear rental company and an actual truck for lugging the gear
That’s cool!
I do stills (commercial advertising) and use an Evo Voyager as a DIT Cart. I put it down as a rental for every job I bring it on. I add $250 to my equipment fee line item for it, and nobody ever bats an eye. It paid for itself within a year.
Wow. Thats awesome.
@@davidmorefield Just a note: of course not all clients would be ok with this. If I'm shooting an editorial and the photography budget is $1000 all in they would care if I tacked on a $250 fee for the cart. But any job where I'm in the $3-10K per day range it hasn't been an issue. Maybe because it's small compared to other line items, so even if they're looking to trim, it likely won't come from there. And if there are any doubts on needing it, once they see it on set and how much more efficient we are moving between setups they totally understand why I prefer to use it.
You can use drum kit parts / clamps to mount shit to it. Can also get a canvas bag for stands / tripod and extra crap
Why didn't you look into the Proaim Carts? Cheaper than Adicam, maintains really great quality, and options for better sizes.
He mentioned in another post he looked into ProAim but was scared off by bad reviews.
Yeah, some of the reviews weren’t that confidence instilling. I didn’t see those for Adicam so I decided to give it a try.
Great review!
It’ll be an evolving perspective too. This is just day one!
Nice purchase. Next move, production truck! Good video David.
Neverrrrrr
@@davidmorefield LOL!
Minor point... but it's s probably worth chucking some bags or a brush and disposable wipes in your boot so that when you come back from a shoot with dirty wheels you can wipe them off /store them and clean later... so that you dont mess up the subies interior/your apartment floors.
Good call
I would add the cart to the full rate and include it in the gear aspect of the production cost. But would you say Adicam is something I should look into? or should I wait until I'm a bit later down the line in my production companies journey? As I'm still just starting out.
You will get to an extreme point of frustration where you want a better way to transport gear. Until then, I’d get something cheaper like an Olympia cart.
I'll defo have a look around for one. @@davidmorefield
My cart is for me, to make my life easier, so I’m bringing it whether someone pays for it or not.
You probably need to adjust your rate up anyways, inflation and what not, so value of the cart / 20 (what rental houses kinda sorta base rates off of) is $63 or $70 depending on if you’re talking full price or sale price.
Maybe just add $50 to your day rate if you want, or call it $100 (or more) and test the waters. Don’t know till you try, and it looks like you’re building good relationships. The thing will be paid for by summer time, easily.
And of course it is my cart on set. Rarely do I let other people put stuff on my cart, especially drinks. Consider once your first one is paid off, maybe down the line you could get a second cart and offer it as an upsell item. Looks like this job could have benefited from two carts, one for camera, one for everyone else. Heck, I’m the kind of person who would bring a spare just because I can.
I do have several carts, but two of them are the big 24x36 rubbermaid, so they only ever leave the house if there is a truck to come pick them up, which hasn’t happened in a while.
I like the design of your new cart copying the innovativ method a bit, the only thing I already don’t love is the road case style twist locks on the long side, not on the not on the short/end sides. A lot of t-shirts are probably going to get snagged and torn up on that.
Keep having fun!
Haha I can totally see the t-shirt thing happening 😂
Get some fishing rod holder clamps to store your drinks clamped to the cart!
Ouh good idea
RockNRoller cart! Only 3 or 4 hundred $. Will fit in your trunk or back seat. Opens up to almost 5 feet and will haul a ton of gear. Add a shelf if you want that option. Doesn't fold up as nicely as the more expensive carts but also not nearly as heavy.
Yep, seen tons of people with those. Not a fan of the wobble on the top shelf. It doesn’t pack up as small as this cart. So I wouldn’t be able to fit it in my small trunk opening.
This is what I got and have no regrets so far.
@@jfo14 it’s great when you’re able to solve your workflow problem!
Nice real time review man. I’m probably going to make the leap myself. Definitely do not add it as an option. It’s a necessity. Just add it into your cost.
That sounds right
It’s a tough sell as a line item for DP work. Just build it into your day rate as a DP.
That being said, if you ever do AC work you could most likely charge for the cart as that’s much more common.
Oh ok. Thanks.
Best part about a cart besides transporting gear is using it as a workstation on set. And getting the biggest you can afford and deal with is always better.
There’s two models bigger than this. But this one is perfect. Like I mentioned, it’s already larger than my Olympia cart and now I have more room on top for workstation mode. Loving it so far.
I would advise against charging for just the cart specifically. I would probably up your day rate a bit if that’s going to be your main cart and you can justify it by saying you’ve invested into more gear and ways to save time on set. Only time I recall charging a client for a specific item was when I was requested to bring a Sony FX9 when I only had a FX3. That’s when I charged the client for the rental of the camera. The cart looks sick! Might have to get one if your feelings stay positive way cheaper than an innovativ for sure!
Much cheaper!
The Adicam looks like a pretty solid cart. I typically include the cart in my day rate as it's a tool that makes my life easier and reduces the physical wear and tear on my body. I second @CineInthe6 comment regarding getting the RoboCup holder, they're great and they have a couple additional add-ons for holding pens and larger diameter bottles.
So far it’s working great
You include it except on larger narrative/commercial shoots where they are already looking for a camera cart.
Interesting. Thanks for the insight.
This cart would be amazing if you'd had a bigger car, would solve all your problems haha. Cart looks great, seems to handle everything very well! I'm impressed
Its handling everything so far!
This cart is nice but the price of those things seems very high.
To have a mid level maybe you could mod the tubes with clamps on which you could put a wood plank (with some sort of system so it doesn't slide). Once disassembled the plank could fit inside the cart box if there's enough space in it.
For the stands in the trunk, there are ratchet straps with hooks (I think they called). If you have loops in the trunks, you attach the straps then you secure the stands and tripods with the strap tightening handle. It's very effective.
If you think this is high you should see what the industry standard brand, Inovativ, is charging.
Those are some great suggestions. Adicam does sell a mid level shelf for like $200. I’m seeing if I can get away with not having it first.
@@davidmorefield I was surprised to see the prices of the ones you showed. It's the price of a car 😂 I guess with almost no competition they can price however they want.
@@REMY.C. that’s exactly true. They had a monopoly but now there are other companies following suit.
Production carts are a strange animal. They're really meant to be a portable headquarters and workbench, that you can also schlep your gear around. The cheaper and lighter alternative (lavacart), is really meant to schlep your gear 1st , but happens to have an attachable top.
I'm probably going to go with the lightest bonafide production cart I can find. (I'm 64. Lifting that SOB doesn't look fun) And maybe a foldable beach wagon for the extra stuff.
Yeah I think those are two valuable delineations. One for transporting gear and one as a video village.
Never heard of a DP charging separately for a cart , and it could actually end up biting you in the arse. Having a decent cart in the first place is just taken for granted. Its part of the over all gear package , put the rate up a bit or like many items , just eat the cost for the sake of making your life easier , most gear purchases like this are worth it just for that alone. Otherwise its like charging for an expensive tool kit .
Definitely has made this job easier already.
I know its exhausting after a shoot but I'd secure those wheels/any other equipment that will go flying in the event of an accident. Sandbags and ratchet straps help.
True. When all the gear is in there, it’s pretty packed though. Not a lot of free space. Thanks for the suggestion though
Nice man. I figured you knew what you were doing. Just wanted to throw the comment in for anyone new. :) @@davidmorefield
Adicam sells middle-shelves, I LOVE my cart :-)
I’ll see if I can get away without one for now. How long does it take to install/detach?
Actually ended up not using it much as I use the lower level for stacked milk crates (as you mentioned as well) but I remember it as easy to instali/uninstall@@davidmorefield
why is it better to have bigger wheels like the 9 or 10? do you ever wish you to have a bigger size than the mini ? like the standard or max ?
I just got it two days ago so I don’t have much experience with the size. But personally I don’t want to go any bigger bc it needs to pack up in my small car. The bigger cart could be great but they are near a hundred pounds which just doesn’t sound fun.
Yeah, bigger wheels for more rough terrain. 9 is a good middle ground for me
@@davidmorefield I’m thinking about the standard one ,they have one that has a fold down for computers it looks like called the standard + standard cart or some shit lol
If it doesnt work out Think Tank Production Manager 50 V2 could work well
Can’t stand that setup. In the video, I showed the knockoff version I had. The weight of the gear adds up quick and I absolutely hate leaning it 45°. Extremely heavy. I give my thoughts on that style of organizer in this video.
I would say it should be part of your service. At the end of the day, I see it as an investment in the client experience, which in this case is speed. IMO, it's an intangible. A valuable intangible, but an intangible nonetheless.
Thanks for the insight
Just add the cost into your day rate. It’s for you, not the client.
you're considering charging for you to use your adicam cart?! did you charge for the previous cart?
I did not. This is 10x the price and therefore I’m asking the audience what are the common practices.
Which cart do you use?
@@davidmorefield charging for you to use your cart is not common practice. while i don't have a "production cart", i do have a rock-n-roller stealth. i WANT a production cart, but i think in our case, buying a shelf for our cart for $100 will be much easier pill to swallow. :)
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@@davidmorefield sick! thanks man!
7:30 Get some robocups man! $30 I would 100% spend again
I need to mention it to the gf. Got a bday coming up
@@davidmorefield Happy birthday man! If you rock a hydro flask or a Nalgene you need the XL add on, make sure she hears about that too haha
@@BryceDearden haha understood
Not to be that super cheap guy, but ever thought about upgrading the casters on the cheaper model? Seems like the casters is where you’re getting your biggest value out of the new cart!
Yes, I did! It ended up ruining the integrity of that part of the cart. I constantly have to retighten it and I can’t go too fast or else it will wobble. It was user error when installing.
whats difference in this and the inovativ? do the wheels stay put on the inovativ or do they have to come off to fit in a trunk ?
It’s an almost identical design. Maybe Adicam is using cheaper parts. It seems strong enough for my work though. I’m using it on a job rn so I’ll keep adding my thoughts in the vlogs.
is inovative wheels faster to set up ? @@davidmorefield
@@creativegreatsvisuals faster would depend on the person. Both come on and off slightly different because the latch is in different locations . Apart from price, Inovativ has a few more modular designs and charge More cause they were one of the 1st and had A monopoly in that segment of equipment.
@@IMDABROWN ^
filmtools in Los Angeles makes carts but I don't know how good they are compared to adicam..does adicam make a 36 and 42 inch version like inovativ?@@davidmorefield
I wasn't sold until you started rolling on grass
That was what I was hoping for. I could t even handle bumpy parking lots with the olympia
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You must not be familiar with my channel 😂
@@davidmorefield I actually frequently watch your videos man! But I haven’t heard you mention anything about your vehicle situation!
@@Steven_John3 oh ok. I hate bigger cars 😂 My car before this was a miata that I had for 10 years. I needed way more cargo space so I got a brz haha
I don’t intend on changing anytime soon but if I did, it’d be a Subaru Crosstrek or Toyota RAV4.
I’d have to downpipe them and get a tune though 😁
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You’re gonna need a bigger boat…..
Nah just gotta bring less poles
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