Jazz Piano Tips- Drop 2 Voicings, "But Not For Me", piano tutorial
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- But Not For Me by George Gershwin. The Refrian Tutorial on use of Spread Voicings and Drop 2 voicings with theory and manuscript illustrations. Use of Barry Harris' diminished 6th scale chords.
Free score available on website. kenthewitt.com/
this vid was useful but not for me
tou·ché...good one!
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incredible channel. incredible video. this is the only explanation of drop 2 that made sense to me
Great comment and feedback for me...thanks!
Easy for you, but not for me! ;) ha.....ha......
Good one! Actually spread voicings are a lot easier for me than these are. Thanks!
My daughter is learning this piece for her Yamaha piano repertoire and your lesson is a great help. Many thanks
It's kind of an advanced concept but I'm glad I can help in any way!
Thank you so much for this. I have a pretty good grasp on music theory and I play other instruments, just not really piano. This totally will help me get to the next level. Some people on youtube either dumb down the theory too much or they just expect you to see their fast fingers/midi without explaining what is going on harmonically.
Thanks for the affirmation...that I'm on track...I don't know unless I hear from you...much appreciated.
Great tutorial Kent, and not only for the drop 2 part. Thank you sharing so generously.
Thanks Kent! I really enjoy all of your tutorials, everything is always so simple to understand. And the humorous introductions are a nice touch!
I'm glad you like the humor because that makes it more fun for me. Thanks for the support!
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Wow....you are watching one of my first videos...when I was just a kid....broooooooooooo!
THANK YOU FOR THIS !
THANK YOU FOR THE COMMENT!
Really great video! I’m working on spread and drop 2 inch by inch and your videos and book help light the way. Hope you’re doing well good sir.
Great, Rick...thanks so much for keeping in touch!
do u know any decent quick ways ro remember that dimished scale on your other vid btw.
as well as being tone/semitone i have noticed its the first 4 notes of the root minor scale and the first 4 notes of the tritone minor scale. for example in C ...
C D Eb F
F# G# A B
do u think this is a good thought process to use?
Good observation. You can use any method you like to learn it ...but you have to eventually hear it, and see the pattern, and feel it! Getting it to be automatic in your playing might take some work. Then if you use it to advantage ...sparingly and intelligently... it will sound awesome and definitely more sophisticated. .
Agreed, and if you look it flips between Half Step and Whole Step, So if you want a really easy way to remember just think HS S HS S HS S and so on and for whole half diminished scale do the opposite.
Please make this a synthesia
Okay!
Such very pretty reharmonization..! Nicely Done!
I'm so grateful that you commented on one of my first videos made in 2015.
I went through a few vids on drop 2. Yours did the trick. Thanks. I just subbed and liked.
+Kevin Johnson Thanks for the affirmation!
This is great stuff Kent, even for me as an advanced jazz pianist there's always something to learn in jazz piano. Not sure if you're a hardcore traditionalist, but would love to see how you might reharm this tune! Lots of options :)
I'm definitely traditional now....but I used to be innovative. I don't think I could improve on this song.
The drop two is a very beautiful style. I often use it as a voicing for the left hand. In this ( my )case it is kind of spread voicing, more than really drop two as such. I use the right hand for melody and notes from the chord. Sometimes I like the Red Garland blockchord in the right hand, which is octaves with a fifth or forth in the middle.
Your arrangement is superb, thanks for posting.
Thanks for telling me, Claition. The drop 2 voicing that sounds the best is the one where the top note and bottom note form a 10th (usually a 2nd inversion)
Very interesting video. I subscibe to your channel. Now it's time to work hard for succeeding in this technique!!!
Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
+jazzpeter1 Thanks for telling me you appreciate it...that way I'll keep doing it. Yes...lets both of us get down to practice!
Are you able to just play on a new piece you're unfamiliar with using drop 2 voicings? Or do you need to take time to "pre-arrange" when you'd use them? I'm new to this type of voicing, and I can't seem to naturally use them on the fly. :(
You can't use these voicings on the fly....you will need to work on them for months just to get them into your ears and hands. If you can work them out in an arrangement... that will help you to play them spontaneously ....over time. The masters and composers were able to use them fluently... but remember ...they were geniuses. But don't let that deter you! Anything worth striving for ...is worth what ever work you put into it.
I spent a few years, at one point, studying the Mehegan's jazz vol 1 book. And I noticed something interesting about the 2nd inversion - drop 2, in that the lowest two notes are the tonic, followed by the 5th. Hmm, I thought. Doesn't that look like Mehegan's 'open position' voicings? Except he has the 1-5 in the left hand and either 3-7 or 7-3 in the right. Thanks for a very interesting video, Kent.
Drop 2 usually has only the melody note doubled in the left hand. You might be talking more about the spread voicing, which usually has 2 notes in the left hand. (or 3).
Wow! I love this song; and you have 2 videos about it!
Do you have tips on what to do in the bassline? Sounds very nice!
Check out my bass lines playlists for good tips.
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Sweet..clear, thorough presentation. Great tune. Drop 2 is that sound ! Double lead
sounds similar to it.
Glad you like it!
outstanding ! thanks !!
Thank you!
Clearly put. Thanks Sir!
Very welcome!
What an excellent video demonstrating drop 2 voicing, it deserves more views. Just on the topic, Bill Evans seems to use a lot of drop 2 voicing, but by using those drop 2 voicing i couldn't reproduce a similar harmony, is there something else Bill commonly use when playing? Thx :)
Etihw Hsart Thanks for the nice comment. Bill Evans uses drop 2 techniques sparingly…he has a
myriad of harmonic techniques including drop 2 and 3, rootless voicings, chord
segments, RH blocks with LH arpeggios, etc. If you can get a hold of a couple BE transcription books you’ll see on Waltz For Debby meas.14-16 the
ascending line is drop 2, also meas. 11-12 of the bridge are drop 2. Other
examples are on But Beautiful and Never Let Me Go. Please subscribe to my channel; I have a Bill Evans chord analysis here: th-cam.com/video/BgItQOto_5g/w-d-xo.html also another drop 2 analysis on Oscar Peterson here: th-cam.com/video/2yKu8lwEq5M/w-d-xo.html
Kent Hewitt Thanks for your videos. There's a lot great info there. Stuff, that you don't get elsewhere. There's a lot of videos that will teach soloing, voicing and licks, which are cool, but very few where the focus is more on approaches to playing a tune using the material available in the Jazz idiom.
As someone who, right now, is more interested in songwriting and arranging these videos have been very enlightening. My background is Funk/Jazz funk and Neosoul, along with Drum and Bass and Trip Hop, styles developed in the 70's, 80's and 90's , but increasingly I'm mining a lot of older players for material to integrate into more contemporary styles. Really good lessons here. Good stuff. Keep it up.
Adam Smith Thanks so much, Adam. Your comment is very helpful to me, to know I'm on the right track, and it is beneficial to you. I can only relate to a small group of people so I hope they can find me. Please let me know what other topics would be helpful because I have a lot of info to give. Also please check out my theory book at www.kenthewitt.com. Thanks!
you mean it's that easy. thanks
Are you 7 th in your left hand
In drop 2 voicings the second note from the top in the 4 note right hand is played by the left hand and removed from the right hand.
Thank you Kent
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...but not for me 💀
It sound so easy when you play it ! but not for me at all !so beautyfully arranged ! Thanks dear Kent !
That's such a nice comment...I worked hard on this, so your comment is affirming.
@@KentHewittpiano88 I decided to work hard as well on this , because it so beautyfull ! few months allready ! it brings me a lot ! thanks again and again and again ...
Your Mason loves this sound
Never understood what my guitar instructor meant when he tried to explain drop 2 voicings to me with his fingers. He did it many times. This video is straight to the point and holy shit I can't wait to practice today. Very helpful information. Thank you!
Glad I could help out. Enjoy the practice. Please subscribe.
Great explanation Kent. And yet Another great tutorial! You always inspire me😊. “ But Not For Me” was one of the first standards I sang with my brother’s Combo.
Thanks for watching one of my older videos..Corrine. (pre- ADEM).I hardly ever have comments on those and some I think are really good. What to do!
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HI Kent, really useful tutorial AND nice performance at the end. This is right at my level (intermediate) with drop 2...Red Garland has some nice drop 2...like at the beginning of Bye Bye Blackbird (with Miles)...check it out Cat!
Thanks, Maria...I've heard that version...glad you liked the video.
I can say just THANK YOU,
the way and techniques that you use is very appreciable ,you are blessed Kent
+marc randriamampionona Thanks you for taking the time to watch and thank me! I appreciate that very much.
Said the alternate dominant chord/scale lesson ala Oscar Peterson has removed by owner.. Two videos doing the same.
I probably removed it for corrections...I will do that.
Thank you for taking the time to do this. Your balance of explicit explanation, repetition, listening, and written music is an effective teaching technique.
Thanks for the affirmation!
This a great stuff!! I really enjoy your teaching style, your touch - I can't say enough. Thanks so much!!!
+Steven Marcus Thanks so much for the compliment. This is one of my 1st videos so I'm glad you appreciate it. Please keep watching. th-cam.com/channels/dmjw5sm9Kn83TB_rA_QBCw.htmlplaylists
Beautiful stuff, and I'm starting to realise how I've unfairly overlooked diminished chords even though they really add a lovely flavour if used well.
Thanks!. They are really big in music ...just ask Beethoven.
Diminished or b9 chords and related scales...can't say enough about their importance.
Kent, thank you! I would need extra practise on drop 2, any other video?
th-cam.com/play/PLFuMibnl_h5ZMcXYpItRkLzTgzqO44orp.html
I love the feel you have these standards You play them at a level of difficulty that is attainable - with a lot of practice/studyfor a hack like me. I look forward to being able to download these arrangements
I try to make them attainable....I learned a lot from some of the piano players that weren't famous. Thanks and keep it up!
That might have been corrected already..
Hi Kent. I can’t find a lead sheet for But not for me in any of my fake books. Could you send me a link? Thanks, Bruce
I have the arrangement for the song written out on my website...you need a lead sheet? All you need to do is read the melody note on top and the chord symbols.....that's a lead sheet.
The C dim 7 (drop 2) you play at 7:40 is very intriguing. At 6:57 you start with drop two of 2nd inversion C Major 7; At 7:01 you play drop 2 of F dim 7; at 7:03 you play drop two of 2nd inversion of A Min 7; at 7:04 you play drop 2 of D dim 7; at 7:34 you play drop 2 of 1st inversion of A Min 7; at 7:38 you say, "then you can put another diminished chord here. It could be an F sharp diminished" and you play drop 2 of C dim 7; At 7:44 you play drop 2 of 1st inversion of G7;
I found the best way to analyze what you did, is to change that opening drop 2 of the 2nd inversion of C Major 7 into a drop 2 of the 2nd inversion of a C Maj 6. (Sounds about the same).
The complete melody line is: E, D, C, B, A, A, G. The "trick" is that repeated melody "A" note-- that is where you play the C Dim 7 in drop 2 form-- it tricks the ear into accepting the subsequent drop 2 of 2nd inversion of G7.
This seems quite important, what you did. I think Barry Harris was trying to explain this back in the 2002 era, but he was struggling to find a framework to explain it simply. He would ask us play a Maj 6 chord and then show us how by changing one note, or two notes, or three notes, the quality of that maj 6 chord could change into other types of chords.
Thanks!...I guess you've analyzed what I played better than I have. Anyway I'm glad you got something out of it. A good way and another way to look at the diminished chord approaches is that they are just another form or voicing (inversion) of a V7 chord that is approaching the next chord which is usually a major or minor. The drop 2 voicing is just a simpler form of a spread voicing but with the 2nd note from the top played in the left hand. I hope you watched my video explaining Barry's concepts: th-cam.com/video/AF67azWnMvw/w-d-xo.html
thanks
Another fun lesson. Can you use octaves in the bass if we're playing a Drop 2 solo or does Bach still not allow that?
You could try using octaves and see if you like the sound of it. I would say not...let the bass player play the lower octave to give it a full sound. No bass player... than just add the lower bass note after you play the upper structure. You get it?
Kent, thank you so much for your videos.I learned a lot! Thanks!
+Jürgen Braun I'm glad to hear you have learned a lot from my videos. Keep up the good work and keep in touch! Thanks!
Thx Kent --- awesome simple technique-- another tool for the box!
I'm glad to add another tool to the box...good luck with it.
Mr. Hewitt: Beautiful in both forms.
Do you think you might be able to add a little hint about what your left hand is doing to sliding into the bass for the chord transitions? It's even too fast to watch when slowed down. What passing notes are you playing?
Many thanks.
+Alan Zelicoff Thanks, Alan, I think you may be referring to the 1st version where I'm playing a 2 beat bass line with some voicings in 10ths. I play a grace note or "ghost" note just ahead of the downbeat and often it is an approach tone to the tonic from 1/2 step above or from a 5th. This is a little complicated to explain but I think that I have a number of videos that deal with bass lines and I have gone into some detail about how I do this. . Please go here (scroll down to bass line videos- there's 8 different ones) th-cam.com/channels/dmjw5sm9Kn83TB_rA_QBCw.htmlplaylists
thank you for making this video ..
Thank you Kent. I have practiced drop 2 scales a lot, also followed the be-bop scale also Barry Harris with his diminished 6th scale. But have never managed to include them in a song. I noticed you referred to drop 2 in your Misty video and now here is a whole tune. Your video is a great demonstration and tutorial of such a great sound! I have printed out the pdf and now have my work cut out!
+morcus1000 Thanks so much for the nice comment. Also check out the drop 2 video on "Fly Me To The Moon". I hope to have a score up on that one soon.
+Kent Hewitt Sorry I meant to write Locked Hands video. I also have other drop 2 examples in many other videos including Bill Evans.
looked at this vid again...the tricky part to understand this, is the diminished chord...why suddenly, of course I hear the beautiful sound, but...no theory to understand it....but what the hell, I like it.
I thought that I talked about some of the theory. Check this one: th-cam.com/video/YPC-AmzsCag/w-d-xo.html
Often the diminished chord can be used on the non-chord tone or the passing tone in a melody. Let me know if you've seen that video, thanks, Frank.
yes! seen it now...fantastic. In fact music is very musterious. For example no one really knows why we all want chords to "resolve". Everybody feels it, but it is inexplicable.
gorgeous stuff!!!
play us Tea for Two, please!!!
Great song...love it...thanks Claiton!
btw i noticed sometimes u play full tengths simultaneously.
not everyone can play a tenth interval and have to settle for a ninth. i know u can spread the interval but they dont sound as good as hitting them together. just thought i would mention this
Use the jump method holding the lower note down with the pedal ...it can, in most cases, be just a good of a sound.
Sometimes I play the 9th and the tenth with my thumb because it's a big stretch for me too, but it makes it a tiny bit easier to reach like this, and 9ths fit with everything!
Kent Hewitt i just dont like the sound of the jump method on 10ths
Kent Hewitt maybe you should do a video about this XD
05:50.
Isn't that just a second inversion closed voicing ?
Fifth is at the bottom
Hi WARD! Yes, if it's a C6/G it's a 2nd inversion. I may have goofed. Please forgive me (I'm human too... I hope)
Kent I like this lay out.. This is cllearer for me.
Glad to hear this is helpful!
Amazing.Thank you.
Thank you too!
Great for me. Clear and very helpful Thank you
Great comment...thanks so much!
Excellent explanation!!!! Thank you Kent!
Thanks so much for the comment!
love this tune! And your play is exquisite beautiful! By the way, I can't find the drop 2 chords theory and the but not for me sheet in your book ; does the book contain them?
Dear Kent: I've found the score on your website! ( I used to visit your website on my cellphone, and I cant find them; tonight I visited it on the PC, so i found it easily!)
Thanks for telling me!
Thanks!!!
another great video
Great harmony.inspired!
Thank you!
Great help to me :D,
Where do I get the lead sheet??
+Razzie B Thanks. The score with drop 2 voicings is available on my website as a free download. www.kenthewitt.com Go to the Music Downloads and it's the 1st one on the list. It's more than a lead sheet, which usually has just melody and chords symbols.
thank you for good lesson
+chukiat srisakul Thanks for telling me....please check here: th-cam.com/channels/dmjw5sm9Kn83TB_rA_QBCw.htmlplaylists
drop 2 sounds good on anything :)
That's probably true but it's best to use it sparingly...or like anything else ...it will sound programmed.
Thanks a lot for shared
Thank you!
This is the best.Better then all.the rest
Many thanks!
excellent lesson !!! Thank so much
+Pierluigi Vasapolli I'm so glad you enjoyed the lesson. It was a fun one to make even though a lot of work. Thanks!
Great tutorial. Thanks
+GuitarBobF Thanks for the comment. Please subscribe to my channel and give a thumbs up and check out my videos. Much appreciated.
this is beautiful thank you
Thanks so much!
thank YOU so much!!!
Daria Koryukalova Thank YOU! Please subscribe...more drop 2 videos coming!
Kent Hewitt Hi, I just put up another drop 2 video here: @2 Did you subscribe and are you a pianist?
Kent Hewitt Sorry that URL didn't print out.. @2
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