Both aircraft have a huge future. Russian MC21 because of the santions from the west, so it has no choice but to use its own aircraft. Perfect for the russian company building it ! Chinas C919 because of a similar situation where chinese companies are reluctant to use foreign technology now with all the USA sanctions on tech. Plus the chinese market is the largest in the world and growing ! Sanctions from the west are actually helping russia and china develop their own industries without competition.
Neither the USA, nor any European state, neither India nor the Philippines, not even China... Only terrorist states will buy Russian aircraft, provided they can be mass-produced at all. It's over and over for the rest of Russia. C919 is outdated.
Chinese companies are reluctant to using Chinese technology because they don't want their planes to crash- that's why the C919 has tons of imported tech. The MC21 on the other hand is totally doomed. The Russian Widebody IL96 still requires three people to pilot, thats how outdated and malfunction prone it is. Having a government-run company produce aircraft basically makes you totally uncompetitive and unable to produce products that people want. All the budget gets squandered and the employees are lazy.
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The main features of the MC21 are the carbon fender and a wider cockpit that allows 2 people to stand in the aisle at the same time. and this is the speed of loading, unloading the aircraft and servicing passengers. Strange that you forgot to mention this. Well, the Russian plane has own engine.
@@SerBart Very fun. It seems you never been in russia and nothing to know about security in russian airlines if talk such a idiotism. Or you just a bastard.
I would say Russia MC21 hold an edge better maybe a mile long with the wider cabin. China play it safe by sticking to A320 specifications. While it will be financially sound as most China airlines won't need to buy extra handling equipment for another type of aircraft. Both A320 and C919 can use the same handling equipments and thus reduce cost. The MC21 will need a different handling equipment however the MC21 has the potential to grow longer and travel further like the A321XLR. With a wider cabin the passenger won't feel claustrophobic!.
@A N You don't get what I meant. I mean the handling equipment tailor made for A320 that also fit the C919. Certain tools to check the A321 can also be used for C919. The MC21 have different handling equipment and also the size is different and height is different.
@A N You don't get what I mean do you???? You are not in airline for sure and you have no idea how to turn around an aircraft before. All your comments are pure Rubbish!.
@vMuCbEv it's totally new. Wings of MS-21 are made of carbon, not a single Russian aircraft had that before. Also new control systems, hydraulics, etc...
the mc21 is specially designed for fitting russian and other post soviet domestic market with typical longer ranges and more passengers on board(thats why most of the russian airlines using the top version of any plane.) also th3 tools and equpment for mc21 is unified with the previous soviet domestic planes like tu134 and tu204. so the planes are close but fitted for different countries
Two great countries, Russia and China, will soon have two nationally manufactured aircraft flying through the skies of the world, a first-rate achievement for both countries, competing with the giants.
You have no ideas how many crucial parts these two aircrafts have to buy from western companies: Engine, avionics, landing system, electronic system, air conditioned system even the tires Michelin makes for them.
@@thumtlnguyen3626 двигатель ПД-14 для МС-21, Россия вынуждена производить сама, из-за санкций! Такая ситуация начинает происходит и с другими деталями самолёта! Не стоит думать, что западные компании занимались "благотворительностью", учавствуя в россиийских прэктах!
@@vladivanov9082 You missed the point here. I didn't say Russia is unable to produce the parts. Russia has to buy western parts so that Russian passenger planes will pass EU and US safety standard requirements and their planes are allowed to fly to those countries.
Russian fuselage and wings have state of the art composite materials in their construction making overall aerodynamics much better than all other competitors. The MC 21 will also use much less fuel than any of the other competitors including Boeing, Airbus and Comac.
With such a huge price difference I think Airbus should be worried. As for the 737, I will never buy an airline ticket for a 737 flight, many people will say that is stupid but the two accidents and the cause of them makes me paranoid about Boeing especially because some experts have said that the 737 is structurally not airworthy and depends on sensors to control and make it fly.
I don't think either plane will overtake the aviation industry. I do hope both are successful and provide decades of service. I know that I will be very glad to see more variety beyond the seemingly endless parade of A320 and 737 family planes that currently dominate most airports.
@@gabedaxe477 Judging by economic situation, nope. Airbus will only raise prices. They lost Russian market and will continue losing Asian. Less planes produced, higher the price. Boeing, well, we all saw what happend when US decided to change Chinese steel - engines failure. Also lack of investmens in real sector and infrastructure in US have a significant negative effect on all industry. Right now financial crisis in US will defenitely not be good for aviation industry. All said above is the reason Russia and China are making their own planes.
They can overtake the aviation industry, but the US regime and Boeing, in particular, will start playing their spiteful games to push out the competition.
both these two planes cannot challenge the monopoly of boeing and airbus, unless Russia and or China develop 350 seats capacity, that are fuel and maintenance efficiency as well as cost and safety. imo, if Russia have invited China to invest in the MD 21 plane project or the company, it would have break the monopoly of boeing and airbus, at least 5 years ago. in addition both countries jointly develop wide wing span and extended length, twin aisle aircraft; 500 seats, 700 seats, 1000 seats... civilian aircraft.
If the C919 is fully cleared soon for flights in China, I don’t see why it doesn’t take a lot of that market in the next 10 years. Quite a challenge to Boing and Airbus, as China is their largest growth market. Then China can clear it for sales in many of the Belt and Road countries, so over 10 years, we could see China make a lot of sales globally. The Chinese will be relentless on making it so, after all the sanctioning by the US. And it will have its own engines in time as well, just wait and see. The US and the UK have made a bad mistake alienating China and Russia, as the two countries, with huge industrial capacity in China and access to a phenomenal amount of resources in Russia,will join at the hip and dictate their own terms in the world (as they increasingly are starting to do even now). We in Canada should be like New Zealand and treat both countries neutrally. Hating China is digging one's own grave, and thankfully we have not followed the US down that path to nearly the same extent.
No more belt and road since Ukraine supposedly to be the hub. People only listen to what media tells them. I’m not surprised that wwiii coming in few years if people still believe uk/us media (including social media from US)
@426firefly That's very true especially with the previous Scott Morrison government. At least with the current government they are not as hawkish. Thank God🙏🏾. I can't tell say how many Australians believed them but it was constantly in the news. Lately that type of talk has gone down within govt ranks. But US with its plans of having their nuclear bombs in Australia will not go down well with our neighbours. Peace and ❤️
34% of civilian airplanes were exclusively made by Russia in Soviet times Russia is the only republic in the Soviet Union that has been building Russian planes for over a century in the aviation industry Airbus 1979 Franco-German-Spanish project Sikorsky Russky Vityaz 10 May 1913
BRICS will be the biggest market in 10 years. MC21 is best regional aircraft with fuel efficiency and modern engines that are 20%more fuel efficient. India needs 400 of this aircraft for services to sectors like North East, South Indian regional connectivity.
Another big aviation market is India and is picking up, since Russia has good relationship with India , they should try selling the MC-21 to Indian airliners. MC-21 and C-919 will break the monopoly of Boeing and Airbus. We need healthy competition and innovation in the civil aviation industry.
MC21-300 is going to be best in single isle market globally, excluding anti competitive sanctions. C919 will be primarily for domestic market but the MC21-200 (C919 competitor) recieving the 300's upgrades can re-enter the global market as a MAX-8 competitor, I'm also hoping that someone at UAC has enough between their ears to implement one flight deck across their fleet, that being Irkut-300 and the SuperJet 100 with rear mounted engine's (PD-8👍👍) is re-born and taking on the A220-100. Inexpensive upgrades + better sales staff = UAC success.
How? It's less efficient than planes already out, flies shorter distances, needs crew retraining, is probably less reliable than the A320neo anyways and probably less comfortable as well.
@@cooltwittertag All quite true - but common sense just doesn't fit this guys narrative, like alot of hot air spouted these days. I mean as if any western airline is going to buy these second rate outdated airliners, even if they are cheaper. You get what you pay for. And the chinese plane was supposed to see first deliveries 10 years ago!
I believe they now have one MC-21 in trials with domestic PD-14 engines instead of the previously imported Rolls-Royce engines. Another example of how the sanctions strengthen Russia.
@@statinskill Yesterday I read an article that UAC is considering a version of the PD-14 for the TU-214 instead of the 90S but that's unconfirmed. The MC21-310 is brilliantly designed and the flight deck is leagues ahead of Airbus and beleaguered Boeing.
@@alpiekaar Turkish? Come on. This is a shity country with no human contractual sense. They always think Turkey King is back, but bring a lot of troubles to neighbors. Tell me if I'm wrong.
i actually prefer the mc-21. it looks way better than comac and is better in every aspect including passenger amount and fuel efficiency. i just love the mc-21
I m Chinese, both are great! have to try both!! avoid boeing 737max, many accidents. China recently has one accident of 737 crash, 1xx ppl dead RIP!! no USA plane okay. USA Boeing is the biggest concern for safety.
Cause of the accident is not B737 airplane, but suicide of the Chinese co-pilot, or more broadly, poor management of Chinese airline. There is no justice or safety consciousness in Chinese society. Barbaric!
@@youcantata u believe those crap by the Western media by the barbarics of the West who invaded the world n killed indigenous locals of local America, australia, NZ. n so on.. n conquered their lands??
If that's the case, COMAC can buy the same PD-14 engines from Russia. It'll take time to integrate the engines and re-certify the aircraft, but it's doable
Russia can’t even get microprocessors to power their weapons. Do you think they can build state-of-the-art aircrafts without materials and software from the west? And which major airline will want to circumvent sanctions and invest hundreds of millions in these aircraft when so many things about Russia are unpredictable and unreliable for the foreseeable future?
@A N China is dependent on the West, the West is dependent on China. Russia is just a source of cheap minerals. Besides, Putin promised the Chinese President a quick war, but now the whole world is paying for Russian imperialism, which does not correspond to the real capabilities of an aggressive but also backward Russia.
C919:3.521kg/KM; MC21:3.4kg/KM ; C919:72500-20400-19560=32540KG ; MC21:79250-18900-20400=39950KG ; Therefore, in fact, the fuselage weight of C919 is lighter, so the payload is larger. In addition, the design objectives of the two aircraft are different. The goal of C919 is to fly within China and Southeast Asia for a short distance. In the future, c929 will be designed for intercontinental flight. Therefore, I think the size of C919 is just enough.
MC 21 is dead born. It is like getting milk without a cow. Useless and very expensive activity. It will finish with wasted billions of budget money and a product without service. 100 will be built and 70% will be grounded, part of them will be used as donors for other planes. Just like with SSJ100
Russia has only been able to sell aircraft within Russia and China has only managed to sell aircraft to Chinese airlines, leasing companies, and Indonesia.
It is still doubtful that the Total Cost of Ownership of MC21 or C919 will be better than Airbus and Boeing. But C919 will definitely have a better chance as China has a much larger market and airliners are willing to operate domestic planes as long as the safety is ok.
Russian carrier has a higher chance as well due to domestic airlines.. As well as Russias connections with central Asian nations. It might dominate those routes
It is very good to know that Russia and China have developed their own civil aviation planes ....and thus help or support self sufficiency ..... Though these are far behind the current models of Airbus and Boeing, they are indigenous to those countries and cost effective... More importantly , these air craft will help them to circumvent sanctions by US and West ... If these are proven in service for a few years , they may start getting international customers ...
"Domestic market" alone would be sufficient market. In fact, neither MC21 nor C919 may be able to fully meet the domestic demands during the immediate future. They may still need to buy some Boeing and Airbus. Only question is how many and for how long?
China will buy US-made planes for only as long as it needs to, unless the US completely reverses its adversarial mentality, framing China as the evil enemy. The US is slowly committing suicide on its current path.
MC 21 would appear to be the best for operating income .Both the Russian and Chinese planes were developed back in the day when there was cooperation between countries and they both have a lot of western components that made sense back in the day . They will need to develop their own home grown engines and avionics as they can no longer depend on the west to cut them off from supplies making the planes useless Eventually in time they will both be independent of the west and perhaps China and Russia can work together to make that happen sooner .
Russian one has been already fully equipted by Russian components, engines etc. MC-21 is 100% Russian and they are very proud of it, as they could introduce a new plane being the most sanctioned country in the world.
And when does the Russian MS-21 come out? It is a much better passenger plane than the Chinese MC-919, it has the most modern engines in the world and the PD7, PD14, PD18, PD35 are entirely built in Russia. The MS-21 should be flying around the world by now, especially considering the crass anti-Russian sanctions. Russia is going to show the world that it doesn't need yankees worms or Eurodogs.
It was supposed to be in production back in 2012. There's only 2 test models built right now. They were using American Pratt and Whitney engines, but sanctions blocked imports of the engines so they have to use PD-14 instead. 80% of the parts in the MS-21 are imported so they'll have to find other suppliers or manufacturer the parts themselves. By the time it might go into production, maybe 4 or 5 years, it will be 15+ year old outdated technology and design.
MC -21 by far will be the better, best option plane for over all flying has the better statistics overall so it should be very competitive on the market.
Nascent industry could take one or two decades to mature. I remember how people ridiculed the Chinese car or high-speed train when they first came out.
What about giving chance for both planes and wishing them luck against western hegemony especially when it comes to apply illegal sanctions against China, Russia and Iran.
6:40 the MC21 western engines are PW1000g but not the ones for the A220 which are too low in thrust, ~20klb. MC21 specific engines are larger diameter and ~30klb.
@@tomdavis3038 MC-21 is now more alive than ever. Sanctions have guaranteed an order of at least 500 items for the domestic market and opened the way for the 70-million people market of Iran as well as possibilities in Turkey, India, Argentina and ASEAN. So far mass production is again delayed to 2024, but by that time finally the plane is going to be 97% domestic production, and 30-40 units will be produced yearly, gradually rising to 70. Which means that in 15 years we're going to see 1000 of these flying. And regarding the original comment, extra 11 cm in width never hurt - the boarding/leaving time in airports is estimated to decrease by 20%. Check out the mockup of 2-class salon design of MC-21 at the Dubai Airshow 2021.
My understanding is that the C-919 would use American engines. Whereas Russia with its MC is developing its own line of engines. Well, it remains only to wish good luck to Russia.
Both are safe products, or else airline companies the world over would not be lining up to buy more than a thousand C919s. That confidence is premised on Chinese successes in her space exploits -- having chalked up an almost 100% success rate in its orbital space station and lunar and Martian landings. As for the MC 21, The West is naturally prejudiced against Russian products. In terms of cost-value comparisons, C919 wins hands down as it is 30% cheaper than the A320, which by the way is fitted with the same LEAP engine. As for Boeing airplanes, unless the company can fundamentally change the world's perception of its dishonesty and fraudulent practices before and after the two 737 Max 8 disasters, it has no future because competition in the global market is based on total trust in the safety of your products. FYI, even American airlines themselves have placed orders for the C919.
@@alestra1021 That is your wishful thinking and is simply untrue. You can do your own research and find out how many foreign airlines have ordered the plane. Americans are no exceptions -- they have ordered the plane. Looks like someone is highlighting YOUR comment without doing the necessary research beforehand.
@@wchao862 Please name me your sources since i cant find any orders from outside China except AerCap and GECAS which are leasing companies. You are just spreading chinese propaganda
@@wchao862well as of now non of the US Airlines has released an statemwnt regarding this matter, and i think they wont get this plane because of the extra retraining for their crews, it has an inferior range againts the A320neo and possibly have lower seats, the A320neo is a Machine that stood againts the challenges of time so it is really reliable and plus economy of scale, most Airlines has the A320neo/737max already and they rarely pay listed price because of massive discounts that's why I think the US nor european Airlines wont buy the C919 for now
Na the A220 300 is a better plane and price competitive. . Neither plane has global parts and training like Airbus . China will force Belt and Road debtors to use the C919.
MC21 is more cost effective. China is building a plane with US and EU equipment and systems. The prices for the EU equipment is going to sky rocket if they haven't already. And I suspect the US isn't far behind.
I sure that MC-21 would be serving only Russian market for some time. Where as C919 hold an edge better due to commonality with A-320 ground handling equipment as the A-320 specifications are same. Chines on C-919 may use already available ground handling with out additional investment. The MC-21 will need a different handling equipment however the MC-21 has the potential to grow longer and travel further like the A321XLR. With a wider cabin
The tb14 engine on the mc21 is state of the art , and china 919 , well done , Half the price of Boeing and airbus . That's why the us sanctioning both countries
If the MS-21 has good noise insulation and comfort, it will be the best on the market because it has the widest body. This is very important to me as a passenger. But for this, I would like to see how the MS-21 flies for at least one year to make sure it is safe and free from defects. Today I choose the A320, but after a year of operating the MC-21 I may change my mind.
I dont think it has any edge, its more costly than C919 per plane, the space per seat is pathetic. More noisy than C919. Nobody buy MC-21 except Russian themselves.
No foreign countries will buy the MC21 or the C919 due to supply chain issues that much of their parts relies on western sourcing. That leaves them with just a domestic market. With a limited market, they per plane cost will be high which will make them uncompetitive against well established planes.
Except China's domestic market is large enough to justify the large investment required to build large and efficient production facilities for the C919 but Russia's domestic market isn't big enough to justify efficient production facilities for their MC-21. It will cost Russia more to build MC-21s than it would to buy C919s from China.
Russian planes for over a century in the aviation industry Boeing 787 designed by Russian engineers at Boeing's Moscow offices Do not believe me you have a search engine In 1880, on the initiative of Dmitry Mendeleev Mozhaisky, the aircraft became one of the world's first heavier-than-air planes 1904 , an aerodynamic institute was established in Kuchino, headed by Russian scientist Nikolai Zhukovsky, founding creator of hydro and aerodynamics Dmitry Grigorovich the world's first seaplanes 1911, the Russian Technical Society organized the first international aviation exhibition a galaxy of scientists Keldysh, Sedov, Lavrent'ev, Khristianovich, H E. Kochin, L. N. Sretensky and ... ' Russian aeronautics by Sikorsky Rousski Vitiaz 1913 1920 Sukhoi, MiG, Tupolev, Iliushin, Yakovlev, Beriev and Irkut ....... more than 30 design offices and manufacturers, the most closed after the fall of the Union
The Russian plane seemed like it would have been a threat to existing competitors. But because of sanctions it won’t reach its full potential. Only likelihood of it gaining market share outside Russia is by selling to countries like India, which won’t buy Chinese jets.
it's actually not MC (em see), but MS (em es), because in Russian language "C" is pronounced as S. MS-21 = magistralny samolyot 21 veka (mid-range plane of XXI century)
These two planes will gain popularity because Russia and China have strong ties in a lot of African nations and Middle Eastern nations will start buying them
building a reputational airline is more than jets, it requires a whole service chain, if Russia wants ms21 going globally you need to fix all these relationships with every country. I see China focus on domestic market only, Russia should do the same
China has a huge population of 1.4 billion people while Russia has only 140 million people. Things dont look good for MC-21 if depend only on domestic.
Both MC 21 and C919 should be tough competitors to Airbus and Boeing if they built an international network to service their planes. I am not sure that the big two are going to let them doing so. The biggest avantage of the two new planes are their price and the temptation of low cost carrier to buy full replacement of their fleet. However, we should see first the two candidates in operations for real before any spéculative comments.
one key difference - C919 can be a success because of vast domestic market. while the program can be financially successful, future upgrade of the airplane can be expected. MC-21 is a different story, it may be good, but the fleet size is small and may require government support for foreseeing future.
That's correct. China plays a significant role in supporting the project, and they have a strong belief in technology's potential to drive their growth and advancement.
This information needs to be updated because Russia will not get the Western engine for the MC21. Russia can only use its own engine the PD 14. Maybe it is better but we will see.
Soon Russia will win, old bidet Biden will be thrown out of power for incredible disasters he made, afgan and Ukraine. Ps if irkuk only choice will be Russian engine... P&W will be the next company to loose business due to self harming and suicidal stupid sanctions made by the entourage commanding puppet bidet
MC-21 is a better airplane, it has nearly 95% local content while C919 can only achieve 45% local content. they don't even have their own engines. What they have is a huge domestic market that can absorb a large number of aircraft.
MC 21 is cost effective when it's comes to sitting capacity and it's engine is purely 🇷🇺 built so expect it to be design on a Russian environment ruggedness which other airlines are not.
imo, if Russia have invited China to invest in the MD 21 plane project or the company, it would have break the monopoly of boeing and airbus at least 5 years ago. going forward both countries jointly develop wide wing span, extended length, twin aisle cabin/fuselage aircraft; 500 seats, 700 seats, 1000 seats... civilian aircraft.
These planes are still basically prototypes and the first C919 which was delivered to China eastern last year is still not on regular service due to numerous technical issues. For Airbus and Boeing these two planes are à non event . In order for them to fly internationnaly they need the regulators certification which will take decades to obtain if they ever obtain it.
Both aircraft have a huge future.
Russian MC21 because of the santions from the west, so it has no choice but to use its own aircraft. Perfect for the russian company building it !
Chinas C919 because of a similar situation where chinese companies are reluctant to use foreign technology now with all the USA sanctions on tech. Plus the chinese market is the largest in the world and growing !
Sanctions from the west are actually helping russia and china develop their own industries without competition.
Neither the USA, nor any European state, neither India nor the Philippines, not even China...
Only terrorist states will buy Russian aircraft, provided they can be mass-produced at all.
It's over and over for the rest of Russia.
C919 is outdated.
Chinese companies are reluctant to using Chinese technology because they don't want their planes to crash- that's why the C919 has tons of imported tech. The MC21 on the other hand is totally doomed. The Russian Widebody IL96 still requires three people to pilot, thats how outdated and malfunction prone it is. Having a government-run company produce aircraft basically makes you totally uncompetitive and unable to produce products that people want. All the budget gets squandered and the employees are lazy.
@@disbsam333 trolls like you said the same thing about trains. So stfu.
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There are many other countries in the sanction club who are in need of replacement of their old fleets.🤔💚🤍❤️✌️
The main features of the MC21 are the carbon fender and a wider cockpit that allows 2 people to stand in the aisle at the same time. and this is the speed of loading, unloading the aircraft and servicing passengers. Strange that you forgot to mention this. Well, the Russian plane has own engine.
No, wide aisle is designed for passengers flying without seats. It is common for Russia to overload plane and take standing passengers
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@@SerBart Very fun. It seems you never been in russia and nothing to know about security in russian airlines if talk such a idiotism. Or you just a bastard.
@@SerBart It's a little better than flying on the landing gear of an American military airlines cargo plane.
@@SerBart are you an idiot?
The Russians make very good planes actually.
Yes mostly
I would say Russia MC21 hold an edge better maybe a mile long with the wider cabin. China play it safe by sticking to A320 specifications. While it will be financially sound as most China airlines won't need to buy extra handling equipment for another type of aircraft. Both A320 and C919 can use the same handling equipments and thus reduce cost.
The MC21 will need a different handling equipment however the MC21 has the potential to grow longer and travel further like the A321XLR. With a wider cabin the passenger won't feel claustrophobic!.
@A N You don't get what I meant. I mean the handling equipment tailor made for A320 that also fit the C919. Certain tools to check the A321 can also be used for C919. The MC21 have different handling equipment and also the size is different and height is different.
@A N You don't get what I mean do you???? You are not in airline for sure and you have no idea how to turn around an aircraft before. All your comments are pure Rubbish!.
@vMuCbEv it's totally new. Wings of MS-21 are made of carbon, not a single Russian aircraft had that before. Also new control systems, hydraulics, etc...
the mc21 is specially designed for fitting russian and other post soviet domestic market with typical longer ranges and more passengers on board(thats why most of the russian airlines using the top version of any plane.) also th3 tools and equpment for mc21 is unified with the previous soviet domestic planes like tu134 and tu204. so the planes are close but fitted for different countries
Two great countries, Russia and China, will soon have two nationally manufactured aircraft flying through the skies of the world, a first-rate achievement for both countries, competing with the giants.
You have no ideas how many crucial parts these two aircrafts have to buy from western companies: Engine, avionics, landing system, electronic system, air conditioned system even the tires Michelin makes for them.
@@thumtlnguyen3626 Boeing, if I'm not mistaken, also buys parts from Russia.Those made of titanium at least
@@thumtlnguyen3626 двигатель ПД-14 для МС-21, Россия вынуждена производить сама, из-за санкций! Такая ситуация начинает происходит и с другими деталями самолёта! Не стоит думать, что западные компании занимались "благотворительностью", учавствуя в россиийских прэктах!
@@vladivanov9082 You missed the point here. I didn't say Russia is unable to produce the parts. Russia has to buy western parts so that Russian passenger planes will pass EU and US safety standard requirements and their planes are allowed to fly to those countries.
@@thumtlnguyen3626 no! that's not your mo!
Russian fuselage and wings have state of the art composite materials in their construction making overall aerodynamics much better than all other competitors. The MC 21 will also use much less fuel than any of the other competitors including Boeing, Airbus and Comac.
How do composite materials and aerodynamics correlate?
@@alestra1021 much easier to make nice curve with composite plus it’s extra light weight.
fake composite wing, fake non-production engine, fake chinese avionics, 20 years old design.... yeah defo better than the airbus and boeing!
Yeah, Russian designs are known to use fuel spearingly... Anyway, look at the successful march of SU-57 PAKFA, to understand, why I am sceptical.
@@aliasrandom9241 is it Hongkonger or Taiwanese talking or just a patient at psychiatric hospital?
With such a huge price difference I think Airbus should be worried. As for the 737, I will never buy an airline ticket for a 737 flight, many people will say that is stupid but the two accidents and the cause of them makes me paranoid about Boeing especially because some experts have said that the 737 is structurally not airworthy and depends on sensors to control and make it fly.
Well put. Me too: if it's Boeing, I ain't going!
I think russian made mc -21 is much better than any other compared aeroplanes.
Yeah and it will come out in another 12 years..
@@Krasavchik24 it is hard for your brain predict when you will sit on a toilet next time but you want to tell us what Russian plane is gong to be ?
@@peterk5981 And? Sarcasm level #0!
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MC21 IS 100% RUSSIA MADE WHILE CHINA 919 NOT
China has the largest air market with in a few years, so having a China made plane is great
If West will deliver parts for this plane. I think risk is high in this decade.
I don't think either plane will overtake the aviation industry. I do hope both are successful and provide decades of service. I know that I will be very glad to see more variety beyond the seemingly endless parade of A320 and 737 family planes that currently dominate most airports.
Agree that way Boeing/bus could drop the prices
@@gabedaxe477 Judging by economic situation, nope. Airbus will only raise prices. They lost Russian market and will continue losing Asian. Less planes produced, higher the price. Boeing, well, we all saw what happend when US decided to change Chinese steel - engines failure. Also lack of investmens in real sector and infrastructure in US have a significant negative effect on all industry. Right now financial crisis in US will defenitely not be good for aviation industry.
All said above is the reason Russia and China are making their own planes.
They can overtake the aviation industry, but the US regime and Boeing, in particular, will start playing their spiteful games to push out the competition.
And when Russia decides to stop selling stuffs to boeing let's see how boeing flies...Elon knows and he talked about it
both these two planes cannot challenge the monopoly of boeing and airbus, unless Russia and or China develop 350 seats capacity, that are fuel and maintenance efficiency as well as cost and safety.
imo, if Russia have invited China to invest in the MD 21 plane project or the company, it would have break the monopoly of boeing and airbus, at least 5 years ago.
in addition both countries jointly develop wide wing span and extended length, twin aisle aircraft; 500 seats, 700 seats, 1000 seats... civilian aircraft.
If the C919 is fully cleared soon for flights in China, I don’t see why it doesn’t take a lot of that market in the next 10 years. Quite a challenge to Boing and Airbus, as China is their largest growth market.
Then China can clear it for sales in many of the Belt and Road countries, so over 10 years, we could see China make a lot of sales globally. The Chinese will be relentless on making it so, after all the sanctioning by the US. And it will have its own engines in time as well, just wait and see.
The US and the UK have made a bad mistake alienating China and Russia, as the two countries, with huge industrial capacity in China and access to a phenomenal amount of resources in Russia,will join at the hip and dictate their own terms in the world (as they increasingly are starting to do even now).
We in Canada should be like New Zealand and treat both countries neutrally. Hating China is digging one's own grave, and thankfully we have not followed the US down that path to nearly the same extent.
How I wish Australia could act the same as New Zealand with our biggest trading partner China. 😢😢
Hard to hear some truth coming out of Canada
No more belt and road since Ukraine supposedly to be the hub. People only listen to what media tells them. I’m not surprised that wwiii coming in few years if people still believe uk/us media (including social media from US)
Nahh stop daydreaming this 2 aircraft will be dead in no time canada is US lapdog it always follow what US told it to do
@426firefly That's very true especially with the previous Scott Morrison government. At least with the current government they are not as hawkish. Thank God🙏🏾. I can't tell say how many Australians believed them but it was constantly in the news. Lately that type of talk has gone down within govt ranks. But US with its plans of having their nuclear bombs in Australia will not go down well with our neighbours.
Peace and ❤️
34% of civilian airplanes were exclusively made by Russia in Soviet times Russia is the only republic in the Soviet Union that has been building Russian planes for over a century in the aviation industry
Airbus 1979 Franco-German-Spanish project
Sikorsky Russky Vityaz
10 May 1913
@Сифон и Борода You are just a little kid, anyone can check the search engine if my information is wrong
@Сифон и Борода I am not Russian, I am only fond of Russian history and civilization
@@yandexamazigh3775 К сожалению те времена давно прошли. Сейчас темпы выпуска самолётов мизерные благодаря плешивой твари и его системе
@Сифон и Борода можно подумать ципсошник твои данные не будут слиты.
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Great to see new players in the market and breaking monopolies. Brazil is another player interested in the commercial aviation industry.
BRICS will be the biggest market in 10 years. MC21 is best regional aircraft with fuel efficiency and modern engines that are 20%more fuel efficient. India needs 400 of this aircraft for services to sectors like North East, South Indian regional connectivity.
@@pvajit1109you are too late, India just ordered 1000 planes from Boeing and Airbus
@@DavidLe-xw2qf I think that is because both have production facilities in the country.
Another big aviation market is India and is picking up, since Russia has good relationship with India , they should try selling the MC-21 to Indian airliners. MC-21 and C-919 will break the monopoly of Boeing and Airbus. We need healthy competition and innovation in the civil aviation industry.
MC21-300 is going to be best in single isle market globally, excluding anti competitive sanctions. C919 will be primarily for domestic market but the MC21-200 (C919 competitor) recieving the 300's upgrades can re-enter the global market as a MAX-8 competitor, I'm also hoping that someone at UAC has enough between their ears to implement one flight deck across their fleet, that being Irkut-300 and the SuperJet 100 with rear mounted engine's (PD-8👍👍) is re-born and taking on the A220-100.
Inexpensive upgrades + better sales staff = UAC success.
It’s dead. It’s history. Putin killed it
Cheers
How? It's less efficient than planes already out, flies shorter distances, needs crew retraining, is probably less reliable than the A320neo anyways and probably less comfortable as well.
@@cooltwittertag All quite true - but common sense just doesn't fit this guys narrative, like alot of hot air spouted these days. I mean as if any western airline is going to buy these second rate outdated airliners, even if they are cheaper. You get what you pay for. And the chinese plane was supposed to see first deliveries 10 years ago!
I believe they now have one MC-21 in trials with domestic PD-14 engines instead of the previously imported Rolls-Royce engines. Another example of how the sanctions strengthen Russia.
@@statinskill Yesterday I read an article that UAC is considering a version of the PD-14 for the TU-214 instead of the 90S but that's unconfirmed. The MC21-310 is brilliantly designed and the flight deck is leagues ahead of Airbus and beleaguered Boeing.
It's not about who wins because both are better than their predecessors and have specific qualities.
Turkish Airlines should start buying its planes from these 2 friendly countries.
I. agree. but they have a habit of sitting on the fence
@@alpiekaar Turkish? Come on. This is a shity country with no human contractual sense. They always think Turkey King is back, but bring a lot of troubles to neighbors. Tell me if I'm wrong.
Yes and Turkey will supply us with statistics like how many death per 1 Mio passengers. We can’t rely on russian or chinese statistics.
India has already ordered for 350 these Russian passanger jets after cancelling Boing and Airbus contracts.
i actually prefer the mc-21. it looks way better than comac and is better in every aspect including passenger amount and fuel efficiency. i just love the mc-21
I m Chinese, both are great! have to try both!! avoid boeing 737max, many accidents. China recently has one accident of 737 crash, 1xx ppl dead RIP!! no USA plane okay. USA Boeing is the biggest concern for safety.
Many accidents? Two
@@tomdavis3038 0 accident. accidents for b737 yes
Yes even Airbus is good. Boeing is shit and all the countries need to avoid using it for the safety of people.
Cause of the accident is not B737 airplane, but suicide of the Chinese co-pilot, or more broadly, poor management of Chinese airline. There is no justice or safety consciousness in Chinese society. Barbaric!
@@youcantata u believe those crap by the Western media by the barbarics of the West who invaded the world n killed indigenous locals of local America, australia, NZ. n so on.. n conquered their lands??
Congratulation China amazing prograss
They won't overtake the industry but both can find a market domestically and in the Global South - especially among neighboring countries.
MC-21. It can stay afloat with or without sanctions as it has its own Russian built engine. The C919 will grind to a halt once US apply sanctions.
china be substitute
China has its own engine CJ1000
If that's the case, COMAC can buy the same PD-14 engines from Russia. It'll take time to integrate the engines and re-certify the aircraft, but it's doable
Russia can’t even get microprocessors to power their weapons. Do you think they can build state-of-the-art aircrafts without materials and software from the west? And which major airline will want to circumvent sanctions and invest hundreds of millions in these aircraft when so many things about Russia are unpredictable and unreliable for the foreseeable future?
@A N China is dependent on the West, the West is dependent on China. Russia is just a source of cheap minerals. Besides, Putin promised the Chinese President a quick war, but now the whole world is paying for Russian imperialism, which does not correspond to the real capabilities of an aggressive but also backward Russia.
I am sure Chinese will sooner fly the C919 than a Boeing max. Anyone want to buy a cheap 737Max. China has some for sale.
😂😂😂😂still chinese fly boeing,airbus
China's C919 may have its attractiveness because it uses the same engine as A320, yet it's more than 30% cheaper than an A320.
An engine is only a part of the aircraft
C919 for domestic flights will never use imported engine.
@@josephguo3429 they don't have a choice. China does not have their own engine.
@@taotao98103 yr mom told you?
@@josephguo3429 who told you they have homemade engine?
C919:3.521kg/KM;
MC21:3.4kg/KM ;
C919:72500-20400-19560=32540KG ;
MC21:79250-18900-20400=39950KG ;
Therefore, in fact, the fuselage weight of C919 is lighter, so the payload is larger. In addition, the design objectives of the two aircraft are different. The goal of C919 is to fly within China and Southeast Asia for a short distance. In the future, c929 will be designed for intercontinental flight. Therefore, I think the size of C919 is just enough.
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@@northok2601🐒
MC-21 IS THE BEST 👍👍👍👍👍
MC 21 is dead born.
It is like getting milk without a cow.
Useless and very expensive activity.
It will finish with wasted billions of budget money and a product without service.
100 will be built and 70% will be grounded, part of them will be used as donors for other planes.
Just like with SSJ100
does it even exist?
@@exxcels1or as a prototype.
Not enough market to support
Russia has only been able to sell aircraft within Russia and China has only managed to sell aircraft to Chinese airlines, leasing companies, and Indonesia.
It is still doubtful that the Total Cost of Ownership of MC21 or C919 will be better than Airbus and Boeing. But C919 will definitely have a better chance as China has a much larger market and airliners are willing to operate domestic planes as long as the safety is ok.
MC-21 is essentially dead
@@tomdavis3038 Agree
@@tomdavis3038 with the sanctions by USA and EU on Russia, MC 21 will now live!
Russian carrier has a higher chance as well due to domestic airlines.. As well as Russias connections with central Asian nations. It might dominate those routes
@@denisrichu5697 agree
It is very good to know that Russia and China have developed their own civil aviation planes ....and thus help or support self sufficiency .....
Though these are far behind the current models of Airbus and Boeing, they are indigenous to those countries and cost effective...
More importantly , these air craft will help them to circumvent sanctions by US and West ...
If these are proven in service for a few years , they may start getting international customers ...
"Domestic market" alone would be sufficient market. In fact, neither MC21 nor C919 may be able to fully meet the domestic demands during the immediate future. They may still need to buy some Boeing and Airbus. Only question is how many and for how long?
China will buy US-made planes for only as long as it needs to, unless the US completely reverses its adversarial mentality, framing China as the evil enemy. The US is slowly committing suicide on its current path.
China will continue buying airbus and boeing unless it is barred from doing so. Being a walled garden is not modern China's style.
@@fitnesschannel1111 they can’t release viruses to the world if they are closed so maybe it would be better……
russia is blaclisted ....so sooner they have. their own the better for them
Mhhh, there should 4 replies but I see only one…
MC 21 would appear to be the best for operating income .Both the Russian and Chinese planes were developed back in the day when there was cooperation between countries and they both have a lot of western components that made sense back in the day .
They will need to develop their own home grown engines and avionics as they can no longer depend on the west to cut them off from supplies making the planes useless
Eventually in time they will both be independent of the west and perhaps China and Russia can work together to make that happen sooner .
MC 21 already have PD-14 Russian engines and Russian avionics, it's about 95-96% home made plane.
Russians have already designed and produced their own glass cockpit and engines
Russian one has been already fully equipted by Russian components, engines etc. MC-21 is 100% Russian and they are very proud of it, as they could introduce a new plane being the most sanctioned country in the world.
C919🇨🇳 is marvelous👌
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Chinese junk aircraft
And when does the Russian MS-21 come out? It is a much better passenger plane than the Chinese MC-919, it has the most modern engines in the world and the PD7, PD14, PD18, PD35 are entirely built in Russia. The MS-21 should be flying around the world by now, especially considering the crass anti-Russian sanctions.
Russia is going to show the world that it doesn't need yankees worms or Eurodogs.
It was supposed to be in production back in 2012. There's only 2 test models built right now. They were using American Pratt and Whitney engines, but sanctions blocked imports of the engines so they have to use PD-14 instead. 80% of the parts in the MS-21 are imported so they'll have to find other suppliers or manufacturer the parts themselves. By the time it might go into production, maybe 4 or 5 years, it will be 15+ year old outdated technology and design.
Don't talk like that . Do you think Russians are better than those u speak of ?
@@norme1850 не надо врать 98% деталей сделано в России, это китайский на 80 из чужих деталей
@@norme1850 it use to be 60% imported parts but now over 89% are Russian. PD-14 engine really works well. What happened with last Boing Max? ;)
@@amigo439 Airlines are still buying Boing Max. MS-21 is only for the Russian airline but they still waiting for it.
MC -21 by far will be the better, best option plane for over all flying has the better statistics overall so it should be very competitive on the market.
@Сифон и Борода Не пизди!
Yeah, but Russians are the biggest liars in the world so reality is always far worse than what they say
Nascent industry could take one or two decades to mature. I remember how people ridiculed the Chinese car or high-speed train when they first came out.
C919 is the best😀😀😀
What about giving chance for both planes and wishing them luck against western hegemony especially when it comes to apply illegal sanctions against China, Russia and Iran.
6:40 the MC21 western engines are PW1000g but not the ones for the A220 which are too low in thrust, ~20klb. MC21 specific engines are larger diameter and ~30klb.
Both are newer and more comfortable design than A320neo and 737 MAX
You’ve flown in them? I doubt it. The MC-21 is now dead.
@@tomdavis3038 MC-21 is now more alive than ever. Sanctions have guaranteed an order of at least 500 items for the domestic market and opened the way for the 70-million people market of Iran as well as possibilities in Turkey, India, Argentina and ASEAN. So far mass production is again delayed to 2024, but by that time finally the plane is going to be 97% domestic production, and 30-40 units will be produced yearly, gradually rising to 70. Which means that in 15 years we're going to see 1000 of these flying. And regarding the original comment, extra 11 cm in width never hurt - the boarding/leaving time in airports is estimated to decrease by 20%. Check out the mockup of 2-class salon design of MC-21 at the Dubai Airshow 2021.
@@tomdavis3038 I love all planes more than anything, but the mc 21 is so ugly that i cant even look at it
Domestic market is enough for C919.
MC21 a class of its own
It's a beauty with composite wing and extra wide fuselage, and yet much less fuel to fly compared to all other competitors.
С919.🇨🇳👍👍👍
Best mc 21
Does Russian Market feed MC-21?
We don't compete. We are friends.
🇷🇺🇨🇳
My understanding is that the C-919 would use American engines. Whereas Russia with its MC is developing its own line of engines.
Well, it remains only to wish good luck to Russia.
C919 is also a Russian-Chinese development.The MS-21 is a completely different class of aircraft and there is no point in comparing them.
India 🇮🇳 RUSSIA 🇷🇺
Russia prefers China, but I'm sure they'll be pleased that you're offering yourself.
Both are safe products, or else airline companies the world over would not be lining up to buy more than a thousand C919s. That confidence is premised on Chinese successes in her space exploits -- having chalked up an almost 100% success rate in its orbital space station and lunar and Martian landings. As for the MC 21, The West is naturally prejudiced against Russian products. In terms of cost-value comparisons, C919 wins hands down as it is 30% cheaper than the A320, which by the way is fitted with the same LEAP engine. As for Boeing airplanes, unless the company can fundamentally change the world's perception of its dishonesty and fraudulent practices before and after the two 737 Max 8 disasters, it has no future because competition in the global market is based on total trust in the safety of your products. FYI, even American airlines themselves have placed orders for the C919.
Well the C919 was exclusively ordered by chinese airlines, which are all more or less state owned.
@@alestra1021 That is your wishful thinking and is simply untrue. You can do your own research and find out how many foreign airlines have ordered the plane. Americans are no exceptions -- they have ordered the plane. Looks like someone is highlighting YOUR comment without doing the necessary research beforehand.
@@alestra1021 That is in your dreams only. The reality is even in the U.S. there have been orders for the plane, let alone other nations.
@@wchao862 Please name me your sources since i cant find any orders from outside China except AerCap and GECAS which are leasing companies. You are just spreading chinese propaganda
@@wchao862well as of now non of the US Airlines has released an statemwnt regarding this matter, and i think they wont get this plane because of the extra retraining for their crews, it has an inferior range againts the A320neo and possibly have lower seats, the A320neo is a Machine that stood againts the challenges of time so it is really reliable and plus economy of scale, most Airlines has the A320neo/737max already and they rarely pay listed price because of massive discounts that's why I think the US nor european Airlines wont buy the C919 for now
some comments are criticizing reliability standards of both planes. Hilarious, considering Boeing's "sterling" recent safety record.
Na the A220 300 is a better plane and price competitive. . Neither plane has global parts and training like Airbus . China will force Belt and Road debtors to use the C919.
Excellent cooperation between Russia and China
MC21 is more cost effective. China is building a plane with US and EU equipment and systems. The prices for the EU equipment is going to sky rocket if they haven't already. And I suspect the US isn't far behind.
I sure that MC-21 would be serving only Russian market for some time. Where as C919 hold an edge better due to commonality with A-320 ground handling equipment as the A-320 specifications are same. Chines on C-919 may use already available ground handling with out additional investment.
The MC-21 will need a different handling equipment however the MC-21 has the potential to grow longer and travel further like the A321XLR. With a wider cabin
The tb14 engine on the mc21 is state of the art ,
and china 919 , well done ,
Half the price of Boeing and airbus . That's why the us sanctioning both countries
🇷🇺🇨🇳👍👍
If the MS-21 has good noise insulation and comfort, it will be the best on the market because it has the widest body. This is very important to me as a passenger. But for this, I would like to see how the MS-21 flies for at least one year to make sure it is safe and free from defects. Today I choose the A320, but after a year of operating the MC-21 I may change my mind.
US congressmen even believe Chinese made cranes spy on them. There is no chance for Chinese made aircraft to enter US market.
Both should make it.
And MC21 should fly all flights in Ukraine after Russia take over the entire country.
Well said.
Good luck with that.
I do not think that Russia is going to capture ALL of Ukraine. Their goal is for her not to join NATO
I think C21 has an edge over C919
I dont think it has any edge, its more costly than C919 per plane, the space per seat is pathetic. More noisy than C919. Nobody buy MC-21 except Russian themselves.
Great video, but please bear in mind the C in MC is Cyrillic, so it should be pronounced as S.
The M too 🙃
Very interesting. The world will benefit from new players entering the competition.
Greater competition is excellent for the aviation market
Time is the best testing tool.
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Seems like Russia still in the USSR style in marketing. They need to learn how to run business, just like China does.
You have incorrect data. The flight range of MS-21 is 6000 km, and the maximum payload is 22600 kg.
World population needs cheap flights.
Really agree with you
With excellent safety record
The cost of the plane has negligible effect on the cost of flying. It’s the fuel mainly.
Most chinese and russian airline companies prefer Boeing and Airbus airplanes.
No foreign countries will buy the MC21 or the C919 due to supply chain issues that much of their parts relies on western sourcing. That leaves them with just a domestic market. With a limited market, they per plane cost will be high which will make them uncompetitive against well established planes.
Except China's domestic market is large enough to justify the large investment required to build large and efficient production facilities for the C919 but Russia's domestic market isn't big enough to justify efficient production facilities for their MC-21. It will cost Russia more to build MC-21s than it would to buy C919s from China.
Russian planes for over a century in the aviation industry
Boeing 787 designed by Russian engineers at Boeing's Moscow offices
Do not believe me you have a search engine
In 1880, on the initiative of Dmitry Mendeleev Mozhaisky, the aircraft became one of the world's first heavier-than-air planes 1904
, an aerodynamic institute was established in Kuchino, headed by Russian scientist Nikolai Zhukovsky, founding creator of hydro and aerodynamics
Dmitry Grigorovich the world's first seaplanes 1911,
the Russian Technical Society organized the first international aviation exhibition
a galaxy of scientists Keldysh, Sedov, Lavrent'ev, Khristianovich, H E. Kochin, L. N. Sretensky and ... '
Russian aeronautics by Sikorsky Rousski Vitiaz 1913 1920 Sukhoi, MiG, Tupolev, Iliushin, Yakovlev, Beriev and Irkut ....... more than 30 design offices and manufacturers,
the most closed after the fall of the Union
@Сифон и Борода You are just a little kid, anyone can check the search engine if my information is wrong
@Сифон и Борода china can make it but russia cant u just have ur nuclear thats it lol
@@ainz1325 глупыш!!! В самолетостроении Россия пожалуй сильнейшая держава мира! Да в чем то сильнее США но лишь по некоторым позициям.
The Russian plane seemed like it would have been a threat to existing competitors. But because of sanctions it won’t reach its full potential. Only likelihood of it gaining market share outside Russia is by selling to countries like India, which won’t buy Chinese jets.
C919 is the best
I go for MC21, but anyway C919 is build in cooperation China and Russia .
It‘s MS-21 the C is a cyrillic S.
If both aircraft were available, which one you will use to travel?
Considering the situation right now, yeah the MC-21 is probably fucked.
it's actually not MC (em see), but MS (em es), because in Russian language "C" is pronounced as S. MS-21 = magistralny samolyot 21 veka (mid-range plane of XXI century)
For commercial reasons, UAC advertise the aircraft as MC-21, and not MS-21.
MC-21 > C919
These two planes will gain popularity because Russia and China have strong ties in a lot of African nations and Middle Eastern nations will start buying them
Russia can't even produce these for themselves, let alone export them.
building a reputational airline is more than jets, it requires a whole service chain, if Russia wants ms21 going globally you need to fix all these relationships with every country. I see China focus on domestic market only, Russia should do the same
China has a huge population of 1.4 billion people while Russia has only 140 million people. Things dont look good for MC-21 if depend only on domestic.
Both MC 21 and C919 should be tough competitors to Airbus and Boeing if they built an international network to service their planes. I am not sure that the big two are going to let them doing so. The biggest avantage of the two new planes are their price and the temptation of low cost carrier to buy full replacement of their fleet. However, we should see first the two candidates in operations for real before any spéculative comments.
Soon European and US powers are gone. They won't have a say on this matters.
They are decades behind in design and efficiencies. They cannot compete with the Neo and Max,
@jamesrey3221 they certainly won't be able to compete with the Max's crash record.
They are already not behind@@jamesrey3221
Compare with what China Russia are One 🎉🎉🎉🎉
I doubt they will beat Boeing and Airbus they are just way too good but let’s see how this goes
MC21 the Best!
Russia and China should use their homegrown aircraft for domestic travel to avoid sabotage by their competitors.
The one who has the least West parts.
The best for airlines is the plane that consumes less fuel per kilometer
that is the idea...build the most efficient airframes, engines and avionics....and nobody builds it like Boeing and Airbus...Neo, Max, 787, A350, 777x
Very informative video
thank you
C919
Stop calling it "em-cee" for God sakes. It is "em -ess".
one key difference - C919 can be a success because of vast domestic market. while the program can be financially successful, future upgrade of the airplane can be expected. MC-21 is a different story, it may be good, but the fleet size is small and may require government support for foreseeing future.
That's correct. China plays a significant role in supporting the project, and they have a strong belief in technology's potential to drive their growth and advancement.
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Who wins? Boeing and airbus, of course.
This information needs to be updated because Russia will not get the Western engine for the MC21. Russia can only use its own engine the PD 14. Maybe it is better but we will see.
MC-21 is dead
Soon Russia will win, old bidet Biden will be thrown out of power for incredible disasters he made, afgan and Ukraine. Ps if irkuk only choice will be Russian engine... P&W will be the next company to loose business due to self harming and suicidal stupid sanctions made by the entourage commanding puppet bidet
@@tomdavis3038 Litany of a naked mad man.
… or precipitating wrong management decisions under political pressure
@@tomdavis3038 you dead, MC - 21 no
I hope that both will be a great success thereby ending the dependence on western manufactured passenger aircraft.
C919❤❤❤MC 🔝🔝🍃🍃👍👍👍👍👍
MC-21 is a better airplane, it has nearly 95% local content while C919 can only achieve 45% local content. they don't even have their own engines. What they have is a huge domestic market that can absorb a large number of aircraft.
MC 21 is cost effective when it's comes to sitting capacity and it's engine is purely 🇷🇺 built so expect it to be design on a Russian environment ruggedness which other airlines are not.
PD-14 has shorter lifespan, nosier and poor fuel consumption than western engine. Using Russian engine will make it only Russian airline used.
imo, if Russia have invited China to invest in the MD 21 plane project or the company, it would have break the monopoly of boeing and airbus at least 5 years ago.
going forward both countries jointly develop wide wing span, extended length, twin aisle cabin/fuselage aircraft; 500 seats, 700 seats, 1000 seats... civilian aircraft.
Creating animosity for them? Why don't do Boeing and Airbus.
This is a different class of aircraft, the MC21-400 is longer by one section of the fuselage, therefore there are more passengers. MTOW- the same !🤷♂
it is correct to compare identical aircraft by class - Chinese C919 vs MS21-300 !👌
These planes are still basically prototypes and the first C919 which was delivered to China eastern last year is still not on regular service due to numerous technical issues. For Airbus and Boeing these two planes are à non event . In order for them to fly internationnaly they need the regulators certification which will take decades to obtain if they ever obtain it.
I think c919 is affordable commercial plane..I think Boeing airbus and western plane are to be competitive by the cheapest plane on earth..