@@amitavraja3385 I think its just a lot of OLED Fanboys that think OLED is the greatest and will continue to be the greatest but, In my opinion, OLED has a Crucial flaw that can never be mitigated. Micro LED is the future, QDEL looks to be a big improvement as well. OLED had a nice Decade for ppl that jumped on it early but, IMO OLED will go the way of Plasma soon and MicroLED technology will continue to improve and become even better and less expensive.
In a battery powered device (like a laptop), the potential power saving are highly desirable. By only generating the desired colour and wasting potentially none, this could be the ideal mobile display. Black screen? No/low power. No halo. Excellent response time. High light output. Now if I were Apple...
I understand that the QDEL footage was shot quickly without the normal level of production value but damn, did it have to be THAT low resolution? You can literally see him recording on an at least somewhat modern iPhone. Did he set it to 480p?
@@supermanifolds could be because it’s not really that different to before and don’t want to get sued for saying it’s a real tandem oled, or they will do a Samsung and do a panel lottery and not all models will have it
That's because it is. I am a bit disappointed, hell, more like surprised, that Caleb missed that, given the coverage was quite out there if you are looking for it. I would wait for Display Week for another good step forward.
If QDEL is the first modern display to get rid of sample & holds limitations, and uses native rolling-scan or even frame-stacking (sub-field-drive), and is able give us back the 1:1 dynamic:static resolutions we have with CRT displays, this would also mean 60Hz would be enough for a smooth and low-latency gaming experience, and 120Hz QDEL should be amazing and the smooth, it would also be great if it offers much higher subpixel-resolutions, finer dot-pitch et cetera, as well as 14-Bit colour.
@@User9681e And it's an awsome first gen rolling-scan simulation algorithm, 83% blur-reduction with 480Hz, but this is a different thing altogether to native rolling-scan modulation, that can resolve 100% dynamic resolution at just 60Hz with 0ms GTG.
I've really been looking forward to QDEL since I first read about the tech on a display tech roadmap many years ago. I was going to try to skip OLED entirely (for a PC display) but ended up picking one up last year. Here's hoping my next monitor can be QDEL.
Maybe one day we might be able to buy a perfect tv 10000nits perfect black’s no burn in, bright colours and quality sound all at a decent price in multiple screen sizes 🙏
No kidding, I would love a 97” oled but my goodness they’re expensive. Would be amazing if qdel could reach that size/performance for maybe half the price. Can’t wait to hear more news about qdel Caleb!
There’s are some videos around on TH-cam from display week 2024 of this laptop, with a bit more information. Check out if the video on the charbax channel for example.
@@pieflies thank you so much. I saw those videos. The specs are bad. Like 350nits, 85% rec2020. And he expert said the blue qd has very bad lifetime compared to blue oleds.
Yeah, I'm not a fan of robot vacuums either. As someone with pets, if they get sick or have an accident on the floor while you are asleep or away, the stupid robot vacuum will just smear it across the entire house and you end up with an even bigger mess to take care of.
It’s been my impression over the past 15 years that panel technologies not developed by the major consumer manufacturers (Sony, LG, Samsung, etc) are rarely sucessful. Usually due to the designers having to charge too much in fees for the big consumer companies to sell at a profit.
Today, Samsung Display and LG Display are producing most of the world’s OLED TV panels. Major players in the LCD panel space include BOE, TCL CSOT, Hisense; and to a lesser extent Sharp. I know that TCL and Sharp are both working on QDEL, unsure about the third major manufacturer.
I haven't dipped a toe into OLED displays mainly because of the potential burn in and price, I had a plasma TV several years ago that seemed to be in a similar vein relative to LCDs in terms of burn in. I have been interested in that recently announced LG 45GX990A, but again burn in, and a presumably high price makes me hope that there will be a direct QDEL rival (preferably with an 1800R curve) that comes along at some point.
You hardly need more brightness for full screen content. The way 99% of Movie and Series production master their content makes it unnecessary. If an LCD based tv can make 800 or 1000nits full screen that’s just an “add on”, it’s going way off SDR and HDR standard for a large margin.
@@tecnogadgethdYou are referring to most scenes. Having full screen brightness capped at 400 nits will make some SDR and HDR content look dim compared to when the content doesn't require full screen brightness or close to full screen brightness. So your explanation is really just a LAME EXCUSE. 🙂
@@thatchinaboi1 First do a little research on what the film industry standard is for Average Picture Level and Peak Brightness in Nits for SDR content, and then come back here.
To go from a dim box to a full laptop screen (that at a glance looks like an acceptable OLED) in a SINGLE year means we got like 2 more before we can see these hitting the market somewhere, in my eyes.
They should bring back surface-conduction electron-emitter displays (SEDs) as well. I can't believe it's been almost 20 years since the prototypes were shown at CES.
Thanks Caleb for your nerdy curiosity. It's very helpful. Remember surface-conduction electron-emitter display? I do, and it's patents are supposed to expire in two years. I hope we can get a consumer-level QDEL display using that technology soon.
Im from a generation where TVs are passed from one generation to the other. This held me back from buying OLED, where longevity is a major drawback. Hope QDEL becomes big.
@Just_do_the_thing For TVs and Phones, sure it's a non issue, but as computer monitors with lots of static content and longer life expectancy it's definitely not. Also QDEL doesn't have any LEDs that can burn out (burn in is actually burn out). But maybe the quantum dots could suffer a similar problem
There are a few videos floating around TH-cam with TCL and Nanosys showcasing this in May at Display week. Nanosys are branding their version as NanoLED which could lead to some confusion due to the naming scheme. I'm more excited that Nanosys has a relationship with BlurBusters. Hopefully it leads to some promising features like their recent CRT Emulation software in place of BFI in upcoming monitors and TVs.
This is the first time I've heard about QDEL. The thing that puts me off QD-OLED is the scatter plate that makes the blacks look grey under ambient light conditions. But if a technology like QDEL takes off it will eliminate multiple issues. The real question is how bright can QDEL get?
I wonder how it's coming along in terms of brightness, they probably won't announce a display with QDEL if it can't compete in brightness with it's already established counterparts
What about longevity? Most TVs today are ranging between three and ten years before they are junked. The "smart" features cribble the TV, and what's worse is that some manufactures force you to sign up and sign into your TV before it will work. One would think a simple display, no speakers, no "smart" features, would be easier to manufacture.
QDEL will be great in five years if they get the blue lifetime stable. You can also count on the Primary RGB Tandem panel being in the 83S95F and Sony’s new flagship OLED. ;)
They make them - "quantum" here just is a buzz word for small, there's nothing actually quantum about them. They basically use huge ink jet printers to deposit the "dots" on the panel.
How is QDEL doing against MicroLED ? Is it better concerning contrast, brightness ? The biggest advantage is the possible price I assume, I just fear that if its really the holy grail in TV tech that most manufacturers will place it still as a premium product above 2000 USD or so starting from 55inches or so, I just dont think that LG, Samsung, Sony and so on will replace in near time their LCD line up with QDEL TVs, they will try to maintain some lineup strategy, I think that they will kick off the OLED lineup and introduce QDEL
Its not gonna replace the cheap LCD TV, but it maybe replace the mid tier LCD TV, maybe in 2030, so for the price it will be Micro LED > oled > qdel > LCD
Thanks for your coverage of this emerging display technology. I'd love to see what a premier TV manufacturer like Panasonic could make of QLED (and I wonder if the 12-year-old plasma TV and the 20-year-old Apple Cinema HD monitor I'm still using will last long enough for me to upgrade directly to QLED screens...!).
If it has the Sony logo I might buy a QDEL. I'm not sure what they do but Sony can make any display technology look fantastic, all since the era of CRT Tv's when they came up with the Sony trinitron. I just replaced my 12 year old 50 inch Panasonic Viera plasma for a 75 inch Sony Bravia 7 and that tv is pure joy to watch. Color accuracy and motion handling are spot on.
@@ross-carlson QD-OLED has its negatives vs W-OLED. Neither of those 2 panels are superior to the other. We need a manufacturer that can take the benefits of both and combine them into a display.
@ross-carlson Yes, Oled has the best contrast, but price and durability made me go for the bravia 7 and not the 8, which is oled. The mimi led isn't that far . Blacks are good, and blooming is barely noticeable.
I would love to get an OLED, but then I look at the price and I'm like screw that. I'll keep my Hisense U7H. It's more than brought enough and I got a golden panel. Seriously, the white and grey uniformity on my TV is fantastic. If I covered up the name and asked someone how much they think my TV cost, I guarantee they'd assume it's $500 more than it was. I had a TCL before and it was good, but had some obvious flaws. It was one of their higher end models, but even then the grey screen uniformity had issues. Wasn't quite as bright as I needed with HDR content since my TV sits between two windows. My U7H handles both really well.
What are we looking at in terms of pixel response time? If its as good as an equivalent OLED or better then I'm hyped, if not I'm out. Resolution and colours are a bonus to me, SPEED (and motion clarity) is king.
I have to differ from that . Oled is too dumb, which will take longer for you to see the object -- ( how we drive at night vs Drive at Sunset 🌅) we see things at far ahead taking longer n closer if in dim outdoor . So The MOTION test does NOT translate to -- REAL life how FAST 💨 our eyes /brain sees a Sheep 🐑 at side of road coming from far .
He didn't say that though. He said that OLED most problematic thing is burn in and production cost/difficulty. QDEL is way cheaper to make and will last longer when properly developed.
LCD is priced this way today is because of China, others has stopped R&D in this space. Economy of scale & low margin is why China makes anything affordable. With more & more Chinese investment in OLED & Mini LED space, if you are not after the best of the best, things will become affordable soon.
I wasn't impressed with its first look, but this new version of the tech looks great. I do think it can replace OLED, but needs endurance testing now to prove it.
In dark scenes OLEDs are great, but for brighter content, they really disappoint. Even 400 nits, just isn't that bright even when compared to a budget Mini LED panel from a few years ago. Maybe QDEL can do something about it.
At the speed at which everyone is moving, it would not surprise me at all if we saw a full line of very affordable QDEL tvs before we even get a single 83" QD-OLED from Samsung. 🤨
Nice to know there may finally be best of all Worlds TV tech on the horizon with no drawbacks. Providing it truly isn’t stupid expensive to produce, then I’m all in. But in the meantime, I’ll continue to enjoy the gorgeous picture on my Sony OLED. 😉😁
It’s a very deep, nerdy, in-development technology and, frankly, I’m really fortunate to have access to sources who will speak to me about it. Most display manufacturers are keeping it well guarded and won’t speak on the record about it.
@@Caleb_Denison thanks Caleb for the reply. I just hope this technology comes into fruition unlike other promised panel technologies which never seen the daylight outside CES.
You appear quite enthusiastic about OLEDs with alternative emission layers. However, it's important to note that QLEDs, despite their distinct branding, still utilize organic compounds and fundamentally operate on principles similar to traditional OLEDs. In fact, many quantum dots themselves rely on organic materials, suggesting that QLED might be more of a rebranding exercise than a truly revolutionary technology. Furthermore, the term 'NanoLED' may be somewhat misleading. If the goal is to completely avoid organic materials, Micro-LED might seem like the only viable option. However, even in Micro-LED production, cost-effective manufacturing often involves the use of thin-film transistors (TFTs), which can be based on either organic materials or potentially less stable inorganic semiconductors. There's a common misconception that 'organic' inherently equates to 'inferior' or 'less durable'. This is a flawed assumption. Consider this: which material degrades more rapidly in air, calcium or polyethylene terephthalate (PET)? This simple example highlights the fact that durability is not solely determined by the organic/inorganic distinction.
Samsung has a tech calles Nano Rods, completly inorganic and autoemisive... Also more or less cheap, but right now they want to extract anything That QD-oled can make.
@@eliann124 You're still playing with names too. 'Nanoroad' is just a fancy term for nano-scale structures like nanowires, etc. Furthermore, "autoemissive" is meaningless. Everything emits light, including us, you, and even dinosaurs, simply because of temperature above absolute zero (T>0K). What you should be focusing on is spontaneous emission in any (fancyname)LED with a (fancynamebigger) emissive layer/wire/whatever. Essentially, there are three ways to produce light: Heat: (Incandescent bulbs, dinosaurs, etc.) Not very practical for displays. Light: (Quantum Dots of any kind) This means the input light will always be greater than the output, unlike backlights in LCDs, which operate on a different principle (using filters). Electron Pumping: (Any LED or other quantum-fancy device) Current technologies are all based on the latter. You can experiment with any emissive layer material, organic or inorganic. The key is that if you want low-cost solutions, you'll need to use organic materials, amorphous materials, or other less expensive compounds. This is the opposite approach to using all-inorganic materials, which are extremely expensive. Believe me, if a company could produce a truly revolutionary technology like micro-LED at an ultra-low cost, they would do it. Finally, I want to reiterate that "completely inorganic" does not guarantee stability. I've already provided an example, and I'll give another: try mixing water with sodium (100% inorganic) and see what happens. (Please don't actually try this.)
Organic materials in QD-LEDs basically only serve as hole injection layer as far as I am aware, with inorganic alternatives being worked on. Carbon Dots are basically nonexistent in QD-LEDs and I very much doubt they will be used in . Both LCDs and OLEDs exclusively use TFTs as far as I am aware and longevity of those is not an issue vs emitter materials at all. I do agree on the last bit though. Organic does not inherently mean less durable than inorganic alternatives. This is especially true given QDEL is currently short of the lifetime of OLED devices. But QD-LED lifetimes are still rapidly advancing. The longest 1000 nits lifetimes I have seen so far(for blue) is 287h to 95% brightness, which is perhaps a factor of 2 removed from OLED. See: "Water-induced high-performance quantum-dot light-emitting diodes", though this does use Cadmium. In early 2023, the highest value one can find is 227h, but at a longer wavelength: "Blue light-emitting diodes based on colloidal quantum dots with reduced surface-bulk coupling". Mind you that longer wavelengths of blue tend to be easier to achieve long life times on. Not a researcher in the field by the way, I don't understand most of the details, I just like seeing technology develop in real time. I am willing to bet that we will see QDEL pull up to OLED levels of lifetime this year and beat it outright in the next couple of years.
@@Hyperus It is, unfortunately, not an "only"; I mean, if you use an HTL made by organic materials it means you are depositing an organic layer over an inorganic layer and then you have to deposit an inorganic layer over an organic layer. These steps introduce a ton of variability, complexity, reliability issues, and cost/yield issues. Then, with the "only" you are assuming that the HTL does not degrade over time, why? It may change over time and introduce an effective change in the actual holes available to recombine in the EL, changing the luminance: burn-in. So be aware of the "only" (sorry if I focus so much, but it is very important). Regarding the TFT: not really, another source of burn-in is due to the change of the threshold voltage in such devices, which leads to a different change of current in the xLEDs: burn-in. Burn-in is only partially due to the actual degradation of the EL, and is due more in general to the whole system: device (xLED) + device driver (TFT) + ICs. That said, do not misunderstand me, I have no reason to defend one technology respect to another. I am very welcome to changes and novelty, but we should argue the actual novelty and lack of issue in any "new" proposal. Most of the time there is nor real advantages nor novelty.
Yes!! 🎉 I am 100% on board with the QDEL tv when it comes!! I’m 85% there with the Pana Z95B at 77”. But I really want 85” or bigger with OLED quality but not over $5k! So if the QDEL can get to mini led pricing/size with OLED pic quality, I’m done!! 🎉 lol
Why do you say that QDEL has no risk of burn-in when burn-in is a function of longevity (pixels fading over time) and QDEL suffers from similar longevity issues as OLED? The pixels in QDEL degrade over time, and blue is worst. Just like OLED. It’s just the method of decay is different. Maybe there’s a higher chance they can resolve the issue in QDEL, but it does still have burn in currently.
It likely will be widely adopted when it comes to market. It's just a new technology, the first prototype shown only came last year and we're only now getting to 14".
You need a factory and retooling to make a hundred thousand panels. Even the "simplest" retooling need investment. There are other competing technologies that are potentially better and it doesn't make sense to invest in something that may be outdated soon
@@richr161 better technologies??? like what??? Don't say micro led because you know they still can't make smaller size ones like 55" or 65" at reasonable prices.
It is cheaper to make but the current quantum dot have low lifetime compared to OLED, not even to inorganic led. This technology will only be possible for sale to the consumer and not for prototype, only if there is breakthrough in the lifetime of the quantum dot. In the recent years the lifetime has increased but still not close to OLED.
Im sure China has got a lot of useful intel about the weaknesses of US/NATO weapons. They will know how to defeat Patriot missile systems , the ABrams, tanks and the strengths (and weaknesses) of hypersonic missiles like the Oreshnik. They already trade in Yuan and have broadened their sales base so the US is only a small percentage of total sales.
So you sent someone to go video the laptop and all they got was a low res vertical cell phone camera video? Also why didn't you or they talk with a TCL rep there where the laptop was to ask questions about it? Surely someone running the TCL booth had to put the laptop out for all to see and they would know at least SOMETHING about it?
Bro, stop adding vinegar to your Cheerios. It'll be okay. It was probably a last minute, equipment already packed and they had to run situation. Would you prefer nothing at all? Or you can go yourself if you have these unrealistic demands.
Ukraine is the biggest looser. Poland and Hungary have already said there aare regions which were historically theirs and they have talked of äcquiring"them. Plus, the US and NATO countries which wasted billions wont get the money / or hoped assets back. China has said if they had been supplying weapons, the Ukraine would be no more The war would have been over years ago! And of course as Ukraine atttacked a fellow NATO country (Turkey) they wont geet much sympathy from them. Turkey could increase fees to transfer gas and put on extra demands on EU.
You don't sound so interested in the smaller laptop sized displays. but they're also really interesting as they show that high DPI is practical (I've heard QD-OLED struggles here, hence no QD-OLED laptops). They also can have a true RGB sub-pixel layout for better text rendering. Being a physically simpler construction should allow them to be thinner and that helps with making flexible/folding/rolling versions. Exciting times.
QDEL will come to small screens and the best computer monitors. Micro LED will come to the largest and priciest large screen TVs. This much is evident.
I really hope QDEL takes off.
No one else seems to be shouting this new panel tech apart from him.
@@amitavraja3385 I think its just a lot of OLED Fanboys that think OLED is the greatest and will continue to be the greatest but, In my opinion, OLED has a Crucial flaw that can never be mitigated. Micro LED is the future, QDEL looks to be a big improvement as well. OLED had a nice Decade for ppl that jumped on it early but, IMO OLED will go the way of Plasma soon and MicroLED technology will continue to improve and become even better and less expensive.
In a battery powered device (like a laptop), the potential power saving are highly desirable. By only generating the desired colour and wasting potentially none, this could be the ideal mobile display. Black screen? No/low power. No halo. Excellent response time. High light output. Now if I were Apple...
Oh, an no polarizers... Instant light doubler...
QDEL is my holy grail, it’s amazing how far they’ve come in just a year.
I understand that the QDEL footage was shot quickly without the normal level of production value but damn, did it have to be THAT low resolution? You can literally see him recording on an at least somewhat modern iPhone. Did he set it to 480p?
There is a channel Charbax he uploaded the same laptop display video few months back.
I guess the screen has the same resolution-lowering tech that UFO's have 😂
@@theblah12 lol known as the potato technology
Very interesting! Glad to hear an update on QDEL!
@@LeezahB I'm sure there is a lot of Decet happening all the time , it's all just Money 💰
Vincent at HDTV Test has confirmed that the LG G5 is definitely a 4 STACK TANDEM PANEL STRUCTURE OLED PANEL
I don't understand why LG is being so coy about that, that's exciting news and something they should advertise
@@supermanifolds could be because it’s not really that different to before and don’t want to get sued for saying it’s a real tandem oled, or they will do a Samsung and do a panel lottery and not all models will have it
@@supermanifolds they're too busy advertising AI.
Yes, we also confirmed this. I think we printed it on the video since the official confirmation came after we shot it.
@@leatherhidegaming That's too depressingly plausible, I'll be SO GLAD when the AI bubble bursts.
Dude, you're getting a QDell.
I swear this is the exact model that TCL showed at displayweek last year
It is
TCL is one of the 3 manufacturers working together with Sharp and Nanosys
That's because it is. I am a bit disappointed, hell, more like surprised, that Caleb missed that, given the coverage was quite out there if you are looking for it.
I would wait for Display Week for another good step forward.
If QDEL is the first modern display to get rid of sample & holds limitations, and uses native rolling-scan or even frame-stacking (sub-field-drive), and is able give us back the 1:1 dynamic:static resolutions we have with CRT displays, this would also mean 60Hz would be enough for a smooth and low-latency gaming experience, and 120Hz QDEL should be amazing and the smooth, it would also be great if it offers much higher subpixel-resolutions, finer dot-pitch et cetera, as well as 14-Bit colour.
There is already a crt simulation tech by blurbusters
@@User9681e And it's an awsome first gen rolling-scan simulation algorithm, 83% blur-reduction with 480Hz, but this is a different thing altogether to native rolling-scan modulation, that can resolve 100% dynamic resolution at just 60Hz with 0ms GTG.
That would be awesome if it happens.. but is that how QDEL works? I admit I hadn't heard of it until very recently.
I've really been looking forward to QDEL since I first read about the tech on a display tech roadmap many years ago. I was going to try to skip OLED entirely (for a PC display) but ended up picking one up last year. Here's hoping my next monitor can be QDEL.
Maybe one day we might be able to buy a perfect tv 10000nits perfect black’s no burn in, bright colours and quality sound all at a decent price in multiple screen sizes 🙏
No kidding, I would love a 97” oled but my goodness they’re expensive. Would be amazing if qdel could reach that size/performance for maybe half the price. Can’t wait to hear more news about qdel Caleb!
10k nits is fatiguing. The percentage of the population that cn actually enjoy 10k nits is v small. 4k nits is plenty
Sure buddy, one day...
@ 25k in the uk, id love one also but way to expensive for me I might consider the 83G5 could be decent
Don't forget prefect motion handling
It's kind of disappointing that we don't have any specs. Like brightness, dpi possibility, efficiency, color reproduction. I hope we have this soon
Doesn’t really matter until the tech is mature enough for retail.
There’s are some videos around on TH-cam from display week 2024 of this laptop, with a bit more information.
Check out if the video on the charbax channel for example.
@@piefliesI'm glad that someone remembers Charbax.
@@pieflies thank you so much. I saw those videos. The specs are bad. Like 350nits, 85% rec2020. And he expert said the blue qd has very bad lifetime compared to blue oleds.
@@geoemm you seem to forget how oled first launched....... and its price
I’m the only one here that couldn’t care less about robot vacuums
It's good for people who don't have time or ill
@@tazboy1934 the problem is you need a house with the right layout. My house doesn’t have it. I actually have a robot vac and used it once.
No you are not. I don’t care either lol. Pick up a vacuum and do the job yourself, it’s not that hard.
Nope that felt out of place
Yeah, I'm not a fan of robot vacuums either. As someone with pets, if they get sick or have an accident on the floor while you are asleep or away, the stupid robot vacuum will just smear it across the entire house and you end up with an even bigger mess to take care of.
It’s been my impression over the past 15 years that panel technologies not developed by the major consumer manufacturers (Sony, LG, Samsung, etc) are rarely sucessful. Usually due to the designers having to charge too much in fees for the big consumer companies to sell at a profit.
Today, Samsung Display and LG Display are producing most of the world’s OLED TV panels. Major players in the LCD panel space include BOE, TCL CSOT, Hisense; and to a lesser extent Sharp. I know that TCL and Sharp are both working on QDEL, unsure about the third major manufacturer.
I haven't dipped a toe into OLED displays mainly because of the potential burn in and price, I had a plasma TV several years ago that seemed to be in a similar vein relative to LCDs in terms of burn in.
I have been interested in that recently announced LG 45GX990A, but again burn in, and a presumably high price makes me hope that there will be a direct QDEL rival (preferably with an 1800R curve) that comes along at some point.
Is QDEL subpixels true RGB, like inkjet printed oleds?
so whats the difference between qdel and microled?
cost
qdel is quantum dots acting as the RGB pixels of the display. Microled is just regular LEDs but very very small and tightly packed together.
Would qdel be more efficient?
400 nit full screen brightness is a joke for a large screen HDR TV. The best OLED tech still has a lot of catching up to do in terms of brightness.
You hardly need more brightness for full screen content. The way 99% of Movie and Series production master their content makes it unnecessary. If an LCD based tv can make 800 or 1000nits full screen that’s just an “add on”, it’s going way off SDR and HDR standard for a large margin.
400 nit is almost not even HDR, the standard doesn't really start until 1000 nits
@@tecnogadgethdYou are referring to most scenes. Having full screen brightness capped at 400 nits will make some SDR and HDR content look dim compared to when the content doesn't require full screen brightness or close to full screen brightness. So your explanation is really just a LAME EXCUSE. 🙂
@@thatchinaboi1 First do a little research on what the film industry standard is for Average Picture Level and Peak Brightness in Nits for SDR content, and then come back here.
@@tecnogadgethd Realise that your argument is a non sequitur and a red herring.
To go from a dim box to a full laptop screen (that at a glance looks like an acceptable OLED) in a SINGLE year means we got like 2 more before we can see these hitting the market somewhere, in my eyes.
They should bring back surface-conduction electron-emitter displays (SEDs) as well. I can't believe it's been almost 20 years since the prototypes were shown at CES.
Thumbnail seems like a 42 inch laptop :))))))!
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Thanks Caleb for your nerdy curiosity. It's very helpful.
Remember surface-conduction electron-emitter display? I do, and it's patents are supposed to expire in two years. I hope we can get a consumer-level QDEL display using that technology soon.
Interested to hear how they expect qdel refresh rates to progress.
Im from a generation where TVs are passed from one generation to the other. This held me back from buying OLED, where longevity is a major drawback. Hope QDEL becomes big.
First self-emissive display without risk of burn-in under $3k is an insta-buy.
all displays have a burn-in risk. but burn in for oled is already a fixed issue if you use the product even semi-reasonably
@Just_do_the_thing For TVs and Phones, sure it's a non issue, but as computer monitors with lots of static content and longer life expectancy it's definitely not. Also QDEL doesn't have any LEDs that can burn out (burn in is actually burn out). But maybe the quantum dots could suffer a similar problem
I think at the previous video where you showcased a qdel monitor for the 1st time, you mentioned that they too suffered from limited lifespan too.
Just imagine a 4k 32" QDEL display for work. High brightness, awesome and accurate colors and 0 burn in with static elements
6K should be in 32 inch displays.
5K should be in 27 inch displays.
The ppi is too low for 4K at 32 inch displays.
i have 4k 32in, its pretty nice
@@PSYCHOV3N0M 140 ppi is too low?
I love your overshirt. Where can I get one??😮
That one is from Zara. Not sure they still have this exact one.
What lap top was it ? Toshiba ?
There are a few videos floating around TH-cam with TCL and Nanosys showcasing this in May at Display week. Nanosys are branding their version as NanoLED which could lead to some confusion due to the naming scheme. I'm more excited that Nanosys has a relationship with BlurBusters. Hopefully it leads to some promising features like their recent CRT Emulation software in place of BFI in upcoming monitors and TVs.
This is the first time I've heard about QDEL. The thing that puts me off QD-OLED is the scatter plate that makes the blacks look grey under ambient light conditions. But if a technology like QDEL takes off it will eliminate multiple issues. The real question is how bright can QDEL get?
I wonder how it's coming along in terms of brightness, they probably won't announce a display with QDEL if it can't compete in brightness with it's already established counterparts
What about longevity? Most TVs today are ranging between three and ten years before they are junked. The "smart" features cribble the TV, and what's worse is that some manufactures force you to sign up and sign into your TV before it will work. One would think a simple display, no speakers, no "smart" features, would be easier to manufacture.
Is this the same laptop from Charbax's video from 7 months ago?
QDEL will be great in five years if they get the blue lifetime stable.
You can also count on the Primary RGB Tandem panel being in the 83S95F and Sony’s new flagship OLED. ;)
Where do these companies get the quantum dots from?
Dr. Hank Pym’s secret lab. 😂
They make them - "quantum" here just is a buzz word for small, there's nothing actually quantum about them. They basically use huge ink jet printers to deposit the "dots" on the panel.
@@fonkenful 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
They typically have to steal them from the oompa loompas in the forests of Madagascar.
Ant man has to bring them back from the quantum realm
Is QDEL competing against Tesla smart tv?
i clicked the video to make sure the title wasn't a typo
The new RGB Mini LEDs seemed like they performed very well too.
I love the idea of QDEL. I'll be keeping an eye out for that tech. If I find anything I'll put a link in a comment.
I hate the fact that brands are trying to push OLED for monitors
QLED needs to come fast
Yeah, QDEL seems perfect for computers, OLEDs and LCDs advantages and very few disadvantages
QDEL is also more interesting because it can printed on non-flat surfaces and could possibly be even more flexible.
QDEL is a failed display technology, it cannot be compared with LG tandem OLED and QD OLED.
QDEL is mostly just marketing and advertising
Was the LG 6k TB 5 ips black monitor hiding there as well.
Yes this is what I’ve been waiting for.
How is QDEL doing against MicroLED ? Is it better concerning contrast, brightness ? The biggest advantage is the possible price I assume, I just fear that if its really the holy grail in TV tech that most manufacturers will place it still as a premium product above 2000 USD or so starting from 55inches or so, I just dont think that LG, Samsung, Sony and so on will replace in near time their LCD line up with QDEL TVs, they will try to maintain some lineup strategy, I think that they will kick off the OLED lineup and introduce QDEL
Its not gonna replace the cheap LCD TV, but it maybe replace the mid tier LCD TV, maybe in 2030, so for the price it will be Micro LED > oled > qdel > LCD
They should be called nanocrystal displays (EDIT: NCDs). It sounds better than QDEL, and it's a more accurate description than nanoLED.
It still needs a short acronym.
Nano crystal display is too long.
Thanks for your coverage of this emerging display technology. I'd love to see what a premier TV manufacturer like Panasonic could make of QLED (and I wonder if the 12-year-old plasma TV and the 20-year-old Apple Cinema HD monitor I'm still using will last long enough for me to upgrade directly to QLED screens...!).
If it has the Sony logo I might buy a QDEL. I'm not sure what they do but Sony can make any display technology look fantastic, all since the era of CRT Tv's when they came up with the Sony trinitron. I just replaced my 12 year old 50 inch Panasonic Viera plasma for a 75 inch Sony Bravia 7 and that tv is pure joy to watch. Color accuracy and motion handling are spot on.
Just wait until you see OLED, specifically QD-OLED. Once you go OLED nothing else even comes close.
So true. I will be getting a Sony Bravia 9 in a couple of months. Expensive but worth every penny.
@@ross-carlson QD-OLED has its negatives vs W-OLED.
Neither of those 2 panels are superior to the other.
We need a manufacturer that can take the benefits of both and combine them into a display.
@ross-carlson Yes, Oled has the best contrast, but price and durability made me go for the bravia 7 and not the 8, which is oled. The mimi led isn't that far . Blacks are good, and blooming is barely noticeable.
@stuffstoconsider3516 congrats, you'll enjoy it.
How is qdel anywhere close to trichroma and micro? I assumed everything else is now obsolete.
Doesn't TCL's QDEL use Cadmium? Probably a good idea to give it a miss.
I would love to get an OLED, but then I look at the price and I'm like screw that. I'll keep my Hisense U7H. It's more than brought enough and I got a golden panel. Seriously, the white and grey uniformity on my TV is fantastic. If I covered up the name and asked someone how much they think my TV cost, I guarantee they'd assume it's $500 more than it was. I had a TCL before and it was good, but had some obvious flaws. It was one of their higher end models, but even then the grey screen uniformity had issues. Wasn't quite as bright as I needed with HDR content since my TV sits between two windows. My U7H handles both really well.
What are we looking at in terms of pixel response time? If its as good as an equivalent OLED or better then I'm hyped, if not I'm out. Resolution and colours are a bonus to me, SPEED (and motion clarity) is king.
I have to differ from that . Oled is too dumb, which will take longer for you to see the object -- ( how we drive at night vs Drive at Sunset 🌅) we see things at far ahead taking longer n closer if in dim outdoor .
So
The MOTION test does NOT translate to -- REAL life how FAST 💨 our eyes /brain sees a Sheep 🐑 at side of road coming from far .
How can you say qdel has no burn in when the major issue to commercialization is bringing the lifespan to acceptable levels?
He didn't say that though. He said that OLED most problematic thing is burn in and production cost/difficulty. QDEL is way cheaper to make and will last longer when properly developed.
LCD is priced this way today is because of China, others has stopped R&D in this space.
Economy of scale & low margin is why China makes anything affordable.
With more & more Chinese investment in OLED & Mini LED space, if you are not after the best of the best, things will become affordable soon.
I too yearn for the future of elqd displays.
Thank for your information ❤🎉❤❤
If this is anything like OLED, wouldn't the tech generally appear in phones first, then laptops, then TVs?
Probably, phones do have an extremely high margin compared to tvs and laptops.
QDel in regular-top-tier gaming latop should be the IT factor. Please ! 💻
I wasn't impressed with its first look, but this new version of the tech looks great. I do think it can replace OLED, but needs endurance testing now to prove it.
In dark scenes OLEDs are great, but for brighter content, they really disappoint. Even 400 nits, just isn't that bright even when compared to a budget Mini LED panel from a few years ago. Maybe QDEL can do something about it.
At the speed at which everyone is moving, it would not surprise me at all if we saw a full line of very affordable QDEL tvs before we even get a single 83" QD-OLED from Samsung. 🤨
Nice to know there may finally be best of all Worlds TV tech on the horizon with no drawbacks. Providing it truly isn’t stupid expensive to produce, then I’m all in. But in the meantime, I’ll continue to enjoy the gorgeous picture on my Sony OLED. 😉😁
Looks like there's some progress ; I remember a video from LTT channel (about Nanosys roadmap) : 2027 would be the year of Q-DEL... 2 years to go ;)
Apart from Caleb, no one seems to be promoting this new panel technology.
It’s a very deep, nerdy, in-development technology and, frankly, I’m really fortunate to have access to sources who will speak to me about it. Most display manufacturers are keeping it well guarded and won’t speak on the record about it.
@@Caleb_Denison thanks Caleb for the reply. I just hope this technology comes into fruition unlike other promised panel technologies which never seen the daylight outside CES.
I believe @charbax filmed it too last year.
wait isn't that the same laptop TCL showcased last year
The insides of the laptop were stripped to house display components. Progress but still a ways to go. My two cents.
I'd like to buy a curved QDEL 8k or even 10K TV in 77 inch for using it as computer Monitor and TV!
Well the laptop screen at least on my Samsung QLED 55" tv, looked pretty sharp....FWIW.
A laptop screen and TV screen are not the same thing.
Stop confusing the two.
Like to know its current limitations and issues that are hard to overcome.
Color gamut coverage.
You appear quite enthusiastic about OLEDs with alternative emission layers. However, it's important to note that QLEDs, despite their distinct branding, still utilize organic compounds and fundamentally operate on principles similar to traditional OLEDs. In fact, many quantum dots themselves rely on organic materials, suggesting that QLED might be more of a rebranding exercise than a truly revolutionary technology.
Furthermore, the term 'NanoLED' may be somewhat misleading. If the goal is to completely avoid organic materials, Micro-LED might seem like the only viable option. However, even in Micro-LED production, cost-effective manufacturing often involves the use of thin-film transistors (TFTs), which can be based on either organic materials or potentially less stable inorganic semiconductors.
There's a common misconception that 'organic' inherently equates to 'inferior' or 'less durable'. This is a flawed assumption. Consider this: which material degrades more rapidly in air, calcium or polyethylene terephthalate (PET)? This simple example highlights the fact that durability is not solely determined by the organic/inorganic distinction.
Samsung has a tech calles Nano Rods, completly inorganic and autoemisive... Also more or less cheap, but right now they want to extract anything That QD-oled can make.
@@eliann124 You're still playing with names too. 'Nanoroad' is just a fancy term for nano-scale structures like nanowires, etc.
Furthermore, "autoemissive" is meaningless. Everything emits light, including us, you, and even dinosaurs, simply because of temperature above absolute zero (T>0K). What you should be focusing on is spontaneous emission in any (fancyname)LED with a (fancynamebigger) emissive layer/wire/whatever.
Essentially, there are three ways to produce light:
Heat: (Incandescent bulbs, dinosaurs, etc.) Not very practical for displays.
Light: (Quantum Dots of any kind) This means the input light will always be greater than the output, unlike backlights in LCDs, which operate on a different principle (using filters).
Electron Pumping: (Any LED or other quantum-fancy device)
Current technologies are all based on the latter. You can experiment with any emissive layer material, organic or inorganic. The key is that if you want low-cost solutions, you'll need to use organic materials, amorphous materials, or other less expensive compounds. This is the opposite approach to using all-inorganic materials, which are extremely expensive.
Believe me, if a company could produce a truly revolutionary technology like micro-LED at an ultra-low cost, they would do it.
Finally, I want to reiterate that "completely inorganic" does not guarantee stability. I've already provided an example, and I'll give another: try mixing water with sodium (100% inorganic) and see what happens. (Please don't actually try this.)
Organic materials in QD-LEDs basically only serve as hole injection layer as far as I am aware, with inorganic alternatives being worked on. Carbon Dots are basically nonexistent in QD-LEDs and I very much doubt they will be used in . Both LCDs and OLEDs exclusively use TFTs as far as I am aware and longevity of those is not an issue vs emitter materials at all.
I do agree on the last bit though. Organic does not inherently mean less durable than inorganic alternatives. This is especially true given QDEL is currently short of the lifetime of OLED devices. But QD-LED lifetimes are still rapidly advancing. The longest 1000 nits lifetimes I have seen so far(for blue) is 287h to 95% brightness, which is perhaps a factor of 2 removed from OLED. See: "Water-induced high-performance quantum-dot light-emitting diodes", though this does use Cadmium. In early 2023, the highest value one can find is 227h, but at a longer wavelength: "Blue light-emitting diodes based on colloidal quantum dots with reduced surface-bulk coupling". Mind you that longer wavelengths of blue tend to be easier to achieve long life times on.
Not a researcher in the field by the way, I don't understand most of the details, I just like seeing technology develop in real time.
I am willing to bet that we will see QDEL pull up to OLED levels of lifetime this year and beat it outright in the next couple of years.
@@Hyperus It is, unfortunately, not an "only"; I mean, if you use an HTL made by organic materials it means you are depositing an organic layer over an inorganic layer and then you have to deposit an inorganic layer over an organic layer. These steps introduce a ton of variability, complexity, reliability issues, and cost/yield issues.
Then, with the "only" you are assuming that the HTL does not degrade over time, why? It may change over time and introduce an effective change in the actual holes available to recombine in the EL, changing the luminance: burn-in.
So be aware of the "only" (sorry if I focus so much, but it is very important).
Regarding the TFT: not really, another source of burn-in is due to the change of the threshold voltage in such devices, which leads to a different change of current in the xLEDs: burn-in.
Burn-in is only partially due to the actual degradation of the EL, and is due more in general to the whole system: device (xLED) + device driver (TFT) + ICs.
That said, do not misunderstand me, I have no reason to defend one technology respect to another. I am very welcome to changes and novelty, but we should argue the actual novelty and lack of issue in any "new" proposal. Most of the time there is nor real advantages nor novelty.
Yes!! 🎉 I am 100% on board with the QDEL tv when it comes!! I’m 85% there with the Pana Z95B at 77”. But I really want 85” or bigger with OLED quality but not over $5k! So if the QDEL can get to mini led pricing/size with OLED pic quality, I’m done!! 🎉 lol
Why do you say that QDEL has no risk of burn-in when burn-in is a function of longevity (pixels fading over time) and QDEL suffers from similar longevity issues as OLED?
The pixels in QDEL degrade over time, and blue is worst. Just like OLED. It’s just the method of decay is different.
Maybe there’s a higher chance they can resolve the issue in QDEL, but it does still have burn in currently.
Anything that uses organic compounds can get burn-in eventually.
That comes with the territory.
That simple.
If Oled was cheaper for the average consumer
Then they can wait yrs to bring out Qdel
QDEL is a failed display technology, it cannot be compared with LG tandem OLED and QD OLED.
QDEL is mostly just marketing and advertising
@@СНСАЛЕКСАНДАРВУЧИЋNope I hate OLED because of the burn in risk and I'd prefer QDEL instead
@@UwUAveythyst looking forward to seeing how Tcl 🤔 stack up this year in Motion , Color accuracy for Streaming and Stored Media watching via Usb
Is it bright enough?
QDEL will be good for comercial displays
If it is not expensive to make why is it not widely adopted.
It likely will be widely adopted when it comes to market. It's just a new technology, the first prototype shown only came last year and we're only now getting to 14".
You need a factory and retooling to make a hundred thousand panels. Even the "simplest" retooling need investment.
There are other competing technologies that are potentially better and it doesn't make sense to invest in something that may be outdated soon
@@richr161 better technologies??? like what??? Don't say micro led because you know they still can't make smaller size ones like 55" or 65" at reasonable prices.
@@richr161 Which competing technology are you referring to? I'd like to find out more about it.
It is cheaper to make but the current quantum dot have low lifetime compared to OLED, not even to inorganic led. This technology will only be possible for sale to the consumer and not for prototype, only if there is breakthrough in the lifetime of the quantum dot. In the recent years the lifetime has increased but still not close to OLED.
A Dell QDEL
I want a 4k qdel monitor
You need to talk to your intern that filmed the QDEL display in 480p resolution for the video of the laptop.
Not our intern. We got what we could get while we could still get it. Sorry it isn’t better
The dream of perfect blacks, we, the civilised society, hope that one day this will happen.
need qdel to make tv price more affordable
When are you gonna make the video about the 8K Display with Micro-LED backlighting announced for this year by Samsung??
Micro LED TV's don't use a backlight.
The pixels are self-emissive because they have 1:1 ratio just like OLED.
1 Micro LED per pixel = no backlight.
4 stack oled panel I bet is expensive to make.
Does the rgb tandem lg panel have a white sub pixel?
LG G5 is still W-OLED.
It's not QD-OLED.
Im sure China has got a lot of useful intel about the weaknesses of US/NATO weapons. They will know how to defeat Patriot missile systems , the ABrams, tanks and the strengths (and weaknesses) of hypersonic missiles like the Oreshnik. They already trade in Yuan and have broadened their sales base so the US is only a small percentage of total sales.
Micro-LED sounds more commercially enticing than QDEL
I believe quantum dot produces the purest color.
Still way too expensive.
hundred thousand dollar TVs sound more commercially enticing?
So you sent someone to go video the laptop and all they got was a low res vertical cell phone camera video? Also why didn't you or they talk with a TCL rep there where the laptop was to ask questions about it? Surely someone running the TCL booth had to put the laptop out for all to see and they would know at least SOMETHING about it?
Bro, stop adding vinegar to your Cheerios. It'll be okay. It was probably a last minute, equipment already packed and they had to run situation. Would you prefer nothing at all? Or you can go yourself if you have these unrealistic demands.
Ukraine is the biggest looser. Poland and Hungary have already said there aare regions which were historically theirs and they have talked of äcquiring"them. Plus, the US and NATO countries which wasted billions wont get the money / or hoped assets back. China has said if they had been supplying weapons, the Ukraine would be no more The war would have been over years ago! And of course as Ukraine atttacked a fellow NATO country (Turkey) they wont geet much sympathy from them. Turkey could increase fees to transfer gas and put on extra demands on EU.
Switch oled to switch 2 qled, mid cycle refresh.
Secan-do?
You don't sound so interested in the smaller laptop sized displays. but they're also really interesting as they show that high DPI is practical (I've heard QD-OLED struggles here, hence no QD-OLED laptops). They also can have a true RGB sub-pixel layout for better text rendering. Being a physically simpler construction should allow them to be thinner and that helps with making flexible/folding/rolling versions. Exciting times.
Would this make folding screens better? Without a light layer it could be thinner and more flexible.
Foldable displays first need to work on durability before they focus on picture quality.
QDEL will come to small screens and the best computer monitors. Micro LED will come to the largest and priciest large screen TVs. This much is evident.
oled has been dead to me for several years already... so it's either going to be ips with fald, microled or something actually new.. like qdel
FINALLY!!
Glad I don't need to deal with full screen dimming whenever there is a white background or bright scene on my Hisense U8N. 🙂
Your videos are drawn out. The same basic information could have been conveyed in a fraction of the time.
Great information but…what’s up with the audio🤔? Usually your voice is clear and sharp, not slightly muffled as in this video .
20 years ago I started the first thread about emissive QD tech on AVS forum so it’s been a long wait
Just sell it already. What taking them so long
The blue quantum dots just don't last long enough,that's the problem.