The music should be divided into "before Cage" and "after Cage". The music is made up of: sound, silence and noise. For John Cage, music must become life, and vice versa. If you understand this, you will enter the poetics of this great man-artist. Good listening.
@@roccocicoria4888 I am not sure to agree with you. They were quite important choke points in the music that were as important sa Cage(s visions (in the immmediate past: Webern, in the more remote past: Monteverdi).
@@gerardbegni2806 In fact, if you listen carefully, musicians have always used these three things to make music: sound, silence and "noise". Since Middle Ages to present. A triangle or a bass drum make noise, not pitched sounds. But no one would think these are wrong in Beethoven's Ninth.
Muchas posibles combinaciones de sonidos, con pocos recursos musicales, los extremos, nada de música o la mejor música, depende del escuchante. El estado anímico te hace apreciar estos "amores", lo sublime de los ruidos emotivos. ¡Está fabuloso!
¡Qué pieza tan más maravillosa! Si es que le podemos atribuir alguna intención a la música de Cage, me parecería que sería la de desarticular el modo habitual en que escuchamos, con tal de permitirnos oír de maneras inéditas...
@@cln5510 well usually my (admittedly) limited experience has portrayed “experimental” as just a jumble of poorly played instruments so I’ve never bothered listening.
Hey, me too, I also don't tend to like music that's too experimental, but I play percussion and the more I play the more I realize this piece for the most part is very structured
Joyce is a master in literaure of the XX° Century. He gave absolutely new perpsectives to the art of writing. This being saisd, everyone draws the conclusions that he wants.
The person should have asked. They didn't paint it, she did. You can't really call it promotion if the people using your work for their own needs don't give credit or ask you permission. Maybe she doesn't want it promoted? Besides, the argument that people often seem to make that art should not be commercial at all, artists need to be paid for their work, so they can survive like anybody else. It is thoughtless to say artists should just be slaves and not be paid for their work.
Honestly I cannot say that I love it, but the experience was worth to be done. The artistic world must always seek for new ways of inspiiration and new tools. The prepred piano seems me a medium term solution towards more sophisticated techniques, that we have right now, for instance through IRCAM.
But music doesn't progress. We don't go anywhere. Where are you going? Do you think that the artistic world _must_ seek for _new_ things? Why do you like newness? And also, are you sure that music has anything to do with our love for it? We can't even listen to the sounds we have all around - we need to build up structures, repetitions, rules, schemes, just to find something interesting - so why bother creating new sounds, that are just expression of our ego? Why don't we just learn to listen to what's already there? For example, when was the last time that you have _really_ listened to the engine of your car?
@@lcuxi I understand your point, but for instance honestly you can prefer classcism to romantisme, for instance, but you cannot deny that from a technical point of view Romantism invented new harmoneis and wahat is more iportant wider links bt etween "remote" harmonies and the tonal Center. Evne wu ithin claccism, Beethpven, for instance, used soùe features that Mozart did not use (for instance in the major sonata form the second theme at the mediant ratherr than the doinant, as a substitute for it). Debussy on one hand, Stavinsky on another habds, used chords and harmonic relationshups that Romantism did not us ( a simple example is the reationship by thirds rather than the tradition tonal circle in the "Pélude à l'après-midi d(u n Faune'). And so on.,Sometimes, you can find choks points: classicism forgot the highly complex polyphonic langauge od JSB to adopt more complex architectural forms.
@@gerardbegni2806 Yes, music has _changed_, but never it has progressed, and never its aim was to invent something new, just for the sake of it. John Cage, in fact, was not avant-garde. He didn't look ahead for originality. He made usic as a way of being present - _here_ . He was for a comeback of the sound as such: he rejected all _musical_ inventions in order to let the sounds be free. As you see his was not a race to be the first who did this or that.
@@lcuxi From a given pointy of view you are obviously right but I think that we are not considering things at he same level, so we can discuss a lot, each on a level of its own. Yours is a top level aesthetic point of view. For sure, you are right when writing that "never its aim was to invent something new, just for the sake of it". But let s consider for nstanc Schoenberg's case. His aim was not to "invent atonality just for the sake of it" but - having himself wirtten tonally extended maserpieces, suc has for instance ( 'Pelleas and Melisande" or "Transfigured night" (which, btw, includes only academic harmonies except one which is not really a chord), felt the inner necessity to go beyond tonality, then, some years later, to put somes order into the atonal universe by "inventing" serialism. The same could be told mch earlier with Monteverdi and the non-preparation of the seventh inthe dominant seventh chord. That was not "to invent something new, just for the sake of it", but probably becouse he felt this preparation unnecessary for expressive reasons, and perhaps also due to a beginning of tonal sense within modality-. In short, from a purely academic point of view, these writings are Indeed "inventing something new" (and they ware bitterly criticzed by conservative critics: see Monteverdi, Mozart, Beethoven, Wagner, Debussy, Ravel, Schoenberg and so many others), but surely not "just for the sake of it".
It's a sad time for our society if an artist mentions that her work was used without her permission and is then chastised with ignorant, rude remarks from self-centered know-it-alls who just don't have a clue.
The society has been sick since before Cage was born. Communication baffles the mind of the older generations. They should learn how to cope with what they unleashed. Learn to do what their parents never did.
See it the positive way, your art is getting promotion through internet and be happy that you are not fully commercial driven, wich takes out the soul of the purpose, the art.
Al igual del son, amor aumenta en otros cual soplo que acrece la corriente hacia mares remotos. Transporta, transfigura, transmuta. Desvela, asciende. Et pourtant… difficile d’assumer jusqu’au bout le vertige de pareille aventure.
We have to forgive, we did not read his comment: they are too many and we do not read them. How can we contact you? We do not have his email addresses. Thank you
@@TheWelleszCompany I suggest you ask for permission for each use PRIOR to the use. This is the long-standing rule for the works of any creative person.
Exactly. Pretty weird that the artist has a youtube account and happened to find this totally obscure video of their art. They really, really should be thanking the person who put it here though.
How long did you brave youtube hoping that someone stole your "artwork" so that you could criticize them for it? I'm not judging, I'm just saying, that's dedication.
How would you know that it was her that did the "hopping," and not someone else entirely, who found her by doing a search and then alerted her to the fact? You wouldn't know.
+reza gholamipour I love Bach, and I love Cage equally as much. For help in grasping Cage's musical thought I'd suggest you get a copy of "The Music Of John Cage" by James Pritchett. Covers his whole career as a composer. His musical thought changed radically over the years. "Amores" is one of his "expressive" compositions (before he began to use chance operations and avoided issues of taste and self-expression.) It is meant to express "the quietness between lovers", as Cage said. Among his percussion works it is unique in that the outer movements are for his "prepared piano", with the two inner movements for percussion instruments. There are many various techniques employed in the composition of this work; his "microcosmic-macrocosmic" phrase structure, in particular. Also the percussion movements have the same number of notes in each measure, but distributed differently among the three players. The two movements for prepared piano can be played separately, as Cage did when he appeared on an Italian quiz show in the 1950's. Anyway, I think that once you begin studying Cage's music you'll find it irresistible. His devotion to music was so strong that it affected everything he composed.
John, ten months late, but maybe you still want an answer. Bach felt that the fugue was a heavenly musical form. He was deeply religious, and his fugues were some of the most potent music he composed, which is why his large scale religious works, particular the St. John Passion, are filled with fugal writing. Bach's music was intended to express the glory of God, and the beauty of life with all of its flavors and difficulties, and for him the fugue was the most divine music.
Dear, here is what you have to understand of Cage's music: nothing. Just listen. Forget all the explanations: music doesn't deal in ideas, but in sounds. Is it that easy? Not really: try and you will see how strong is your will of understanding, how obtrusive are your ideas, your tastes, your preconceptions - you say you want to "grasp" the music: why so? why not just letting it be? You will find out that we spend our life with our ears actually closed. And the more we love music, the more our ears shut, as you can read in the comment right over here.
I was giving John Cage a chance. Maybe there was something to his music. But then I heard his favorite work of literature was Finnegans Wake. Now if you've ever tried to read that book, or even read about that book, you know for sure there is nothing more pretentious than liking Finnegans Wake. That's just fact. His music makes sense now.
Trev Gibb No, it's a fact that no one enjoys Finnegans Wake except pretentious pricks. Because no one has EVER understood Finnegan's Wake. Nobody knows what it's all about. So when you say your favorite work of literature is something no one in the world understands, tell me, is that pretentious or not? It really sheds light into what he is up to with music. Just making things no one can make any sense of.
No it is the opposite.. True art will rarely get the appreciation it deserves because most people that like to look at art do it just so they can say they're "artists" and only to raise and boost their ego like you're doing right now. But it's ok, I'm not judging you, most humans are ego-driven.
One day, I hope soon, TH-cam will end allowing comments by viewers - myself included, naturally. When pigs fly, you say? Well, I am an optimist, despite being realistic about it.
I don't care if this is music or not
i'm glad John Cage made these cool sounds for me to listen to
don't even ever worry about... it's music!!
The music should be divided into "before Cage" and "after Cage". The music is made up of: sound, silence and noise. For John Cage, music must become life, and vice versa. If you understand this, you will enter the poetics of this great man-artist. Good listening.
@@roccocicoria4888 Ben detto, con la semplicità che conviene
@@roccocicoria4888 I am not sure to agree with you. They were quite important choke points in the music that were as important sa Cage(s visions (in the immmediate past: Webern, in the more remote past: Monteverdi).
@@gerardbegni2806 In fact, if you listen carefully, musicians have always used these three things to make music: sound, silence and "noise".
Since Middle Ages to present. A triangle or a bass drum make noise, not pitched sounds. But no one would think these are wrong in Beethoven's Ninth.
masterpiece I'm in love with this piece I don't know why
Muchas posibles combinaciones de sonidos, con pocos recursos musicales, los extremos, nada de música o la mejor música, depende del escuchante.
El estado anímico te hace apreciar estos "amores", lo sublime de los ruidos emotivos.
¡Está fabuloso!
0.00 I. Solo for prepared piano
1.32 II. Trio (for 9 tom-toms and a pod rattle)
4.42 III. Trio (for 7 wood blocks)
5.56 IV. Solo for prepared piano
Grazie !
cage is fun to listen too, very imaginative
Why do people call this noise. To me it's a sea of polyrhythms as the body of the piece. Compared to most of his other compositions this is enjoyable.
Cage’s music of this time is rhythmically super complicated highly detailed notation requiring concentration and skill
This is actually quite straightforward and most excellent
¡Qué pieza tan más maravillosa! Si es que le podemos atribuir alguna intención a la música de Cage, me parecería que sería la de desarticular el modo habitual en que escuchamos, con tal de permitirnos oír de maneras inéditas...
I don't really like experimental music but for some reason I like this. Kinda sounds like freedom from expectations of what music needs to sound like
you dont like experimental music
@@cln5510 well usually my (admittedly) limited experience has portrayed “experimental” as just a jumble of poorly played instruments so I’ve never bothered listening.
Hey, me too, I also don't tend to like music that's too experimental, but I play percussion and the more I play the more I realize this piece for the most part is very structured
I would suggest dropping the labels and meeting each music you encounter on its own terms.
Joyce is a master in literaure of the XX° Century. He gave absolutely new perpsectives to the art of writing. This being saisd, everyone draws the conclusions that he wants.
i feel lika a Apple hittng my head again and again but i kinda love it ;)
fantastic
Love it.
I love your artwork
everything john cage puts out I could sample and put into a trap song.
The person should have asked. They didn't paint it, she did. You can't really call it promotion if the people using your work for their own needs don't give credit or ask you permission. Maybe she doesn't want it promoted? Besides, the argument that people often seem to make that art should not be commercial at all, artists need to be paid for their work, so they can survive like anybody else. It is thoughtless to say artists should just be slaves and not be paid for their work.
un grande!
Honestly I cannot say that I love it, but the experience was worth to be done. The artistic world must always seek for new ways of inspiiration and new tools. The prepred piano seems me a medium term solution towards more sophisticated techniques, that we have right now, for instance through IRCAM.
But music doesn't progress. We don't go anywhere. Where are you going? Do you think that the artistic world _must_ seek for _new_ things? Why do you like newness? And also, are you sure that music has anything to do with our love for it?
We can't even listen to the sounds we have all around - we need to build up structures, repetitions, rules, schemes, just to find something interesting - so why bother creating new sounds, that are just expression of our ego? Why don't we just learn to listen to what's already there? For example, when was the last time that you have _really_ listened to the engine of your car?
@@lcuxi I understand your point, but for instance honestly you can prefer classcism to romantisme, for instance, but you cannot deny that from a technical point of view Romantism invented new harmoneis and wahat is more iportant wider links bt etween "remote" harmonies and the tonal Center. Evne wu ithin claccism, Beethpven, for instance, used soùe features that Mozart did not use (for instance in the major sonata form the second theme at the mediant ratherr than the doinant, as a substitute for it). Debussy on one hand, Stavinsky on another habds, used chords and harmonic relationshups that Romantism
did not us ( a simple example is the reationship by thirds rather than the tradition tonal circle in the "Pélude à l'après-midi d(u n Faune'). And so on.,Sometimes, you can find choks points: classicism forgot the highly complex polyphonic langauge od JSB to adopt more complex architectural forms.
@@gerardbegni2806 Yes, music has _changed_, but never it has progressed, and never its aim was to invent something new, just for the sake of it.
John Cage, in fact, was not avant-garde. He didn't look ahead for originality. He made usic as a way of being present - _here_ . He was for a comeback of the sound as such: he rejected all _musical_ inventions in order to let the sounds be free. As you see his was not a race to be the first who did this or that.
@@lcuxi From a given pointy of view you are obviously right but I think that we are not considering things at he same level, so we can discuss a lot, each on a level of its own. Yours is a top level aesthetic point of view. For sure, you are right when writing that "never its aim was to invent something new, just for the sake of it". But let s consider for nstanc Schoenberg's case. His aim was not to "invent atonality just for the sake of it" but - having himself wirtten tonally extended maserpieces, suc has for instance ( 'Pelleas and Melisande" or "Transfigured night" (which, btw, includes only academic harmonies except one which is not really a chord), felt the inner necessity to go beyond tonality, then, some years later, to put somes order into the atonal universe by "inventing" serialism. The same could be told mch earlier with Monteverdi and the non-preparation of the seventh inthe dominant seventh chord. That was not "to invent something new, just for the sake of it", but probably becouse he felt this preparation unnecessary for expressive reasons, and perhaps also due to a beginning of tonal sense within modality-. In short, from a purely academic point of view, these writings are Indeed "inventing something new" (and they ware bitterly criticzed by conservative critics: see Monteverdi, Mozart, Beethoven, Wagner, Debussy, Ravel, Schoenberg and so many others), but surely not "just for the sake of it".
It's a sad time for our society if an artist mentions that her work was used without her permission and is then chastised with ignorant, rude remarks from self-centered know-it-alls who just don't have a clue.
??
The society has been sick since before Cage was born. Communication baffles the mind of the older generations. They should learn how to cope with what they unleashed. Learn to do what their parents never did.
I love your artwork!
creates simplicity
A man ahead of his time?
nice work, lisa...
And now it's been seen by 30,000 people - how many would have seen it, if it hadn't been used here?
Frankly, we buff them the scoundrel !!!!!!
Never a successful argument. A rationalizing one, after the fact, and not remotely plausible as a fact.
See it the positive way, your art is getting promotion through internet and be happy that you are not fully commercial driven, wich takes out the soul of the purpose, the art.
Bellisimo!
So sad to think of those badgers trapped in that steinway
Ha ha ha ha!
gr8 description! I feel a poem coming on . . .
Al igual del son, amor aumenta en otros cual soplo que acrece la corriente hacia mares remotos. Transporta, transfigura, transmuta. Desvela, asciende. Et pourtant… difficile d’assumer jusqu’au bout le vertige de pareille aventure.
What the fuck!?
there are pitches in this,just different quality
Es escuchar el origen de lo musical
Look at this - my artwork - used without my permission. Instead of making it my responsibility to contact you - why not just ask before using it?
We have to forgive, we did not read his comment: they are too many and we do not read them. How can we contact you? We do not have his email addresses. Thank you
@@TheWelleszCompany I suggest you ask for permission for each use PRIOR to the use. This is the long-standing rule for the works of any creative person.
We are all going to die.
light years ahead of all the rest and i mean light years
I Can get this recording in Online Download??
Sorry, a bit late, but yeah, you can. Google "TH-cam to MP3", and paste the link of the video there.
🏵️🍁🌾
so whats it mean?
Meaning? It's sound, how can it _mean_ anything?
hi don't be rude and ignorant it's obviously the picture used in the video...
regards
Exactly. Pretty weird that the artist has a youtube account and happened to find this totally obscure video of their art. They really, really should be thanking the person who put it here though.
Creares Open Rooms to me
How long did you brave youtube hoping that someone stole your "artwork" so that you could criticize them for it? I'm not judging, I'm just saying, that's dedication.
How would you know that it was her that did the "hopping," and not someone else entirely, who found her by doing a search and then alerted her to the fact? You wouldn't know.
Bjork's album "Biophilia" sounds like this.
Do you think there's a chance she was inspired by this or has ever heard it?
it goes up and down, starts and stops, must be music
although I can understand Bach's complex fugues I admit I can't grasp John Cage...!
I simply don't understand it.
+reza gholamipour I love Bach, and I love Cage equally as much. For help in grasping Cage's musical thought I'd suggest you get a copy of "The Music Of John Cage" by James Pritchett. Covers his whole career as a composer. His musical thought changed radically over the years. "Amores" is one of his "expressive" compositions (before he began to use chance operations and avoided issues of taste and self-expression.) It is meant to express "the quietness between lovers", as Cage said. Among his percussion works it is unique in that the outer movements are for his "prepared piano", with the two inner movements for percussion instruments. There are many various techniques employed in the composition of this work; his "microcosmic-macrocosmic" phrase structure, in particular. Also the percussion movements have the same number of notes in each measure, but distributed differently among the three players. The two movements for prepared piano can be played separately, as Cage did when he appeared on an Italian quiz show in the 1950's. Anyway, I think that once you begin studying Cage's music you'll find it irresistible. His devotion to music was so strong that it affected everything he composed.
What do Bach's fugues express?
John, ten months late, but maybe you still want an answer. Bach felt that the fugue was a heavenly musical form. He was deeply religious, and his fugues were some of the most potent music he composed, which is why his large scale religious works, particular the St. John Passion, are filled with fugal writing. Bach's music was intended to express the glory of God, and the beauty of life with all of its flavors and difficulties, and for him the fugue was the most divine music.
Dear, here is what you have to understand of Cage's music: nothing. Just listen. Forget all the explanations: music doesn't deal in ideas, but in sounds.
Is it that easy? Not really: try and you will see how strong is your will of understanding, how obtrusive are your ideas, your tastes, your preconceptions - you say you want to "grasp" the music: why so? why not just letting it be?
You will find out that we spend our life with our ears actually closed. And the more we love music, the more our ears shut, as you can read in the comment right over here.
@Pferd Schild Hey, what a hate you have for those sounds! You must be a music lover.
I was giving John Cage a chance. Maybe there was something to his music. But then I heard his favorite work of literature was Finnegans Wake. Now if you've ever tried to read that book, or even read about that book, you know for sure there is nothing more pretentious than liking Finnegans Wake. That's just fact. His music makes sense now.
musikinspace what a lovely logic.
+musikinspace haha haha haha
+musikinspace hahaha you've fulfilled your own remarks, do you know how pretentious you in fact sound?
Trev Gibb No, it's a fact that no one enjoys Finnegans Wake except pretentious pricks. Because no one has EVER understood Finnegan's Wake. Nobody knows what it's all about. So when you say your favorite work of literature is something no one in the world understands, tell me, is that pretentious or not? It really sheds light into what he is up to with music. Just making things no one can make any sense of.
***** Then please, could you tell the world what it means?
彼の作品,,,,///\\\\相反した脳域はＡｏポジション音質デアル。
I hear Captain Beefheart
Apparently he developed this percussive style of piano playing because he badly wanted to compose but couldn't really grasp counterpoint and harmony
I see your references, but you have simplified a bit too much...
Speaking of ego...
反発のない世界観,,,,///\\\\
haha!
No it is the opposite.. True art will rarely get the appreciation it deserves because most people that like to look at art do it just so they can say they're "artists" and only to raise and boost their ego like you're doing right now. But it's ok, I'm not judging you, most humans are ego-driven.
One day, I hope soon, TH-cam will end allowing comments by viewers - myself included, naturally. When pigs fly, you say? Well, I am an optimist, despite being realistic about it.
le sexe
what the fuck
I warned you against that mirror, bub.