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- Or "why we know the devil is queer horror done right"
The game on Steam: store.steampow...
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Editing and Captions by Matt Cox: / pop_primer
My own queer visual novel horror game; store.steampow...
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Anyone can kill the devil; that’s why they always make teens the vampire slayers, the magical girls. But some kids can’t even get that right; and that’s why meangirl Neptune, tomboy Jupiter, and shy shy Venus have to endure one more week of summer camp and each other, singing boring songs about jesus, doing busywork for adults, and hoping god’s radio can’t hear them.
Before they can leave the summer scouts, they’ve got to spend twelve hours in the loneliest cabin in the woods and wait for the devil to come and live through the night--or not. You know.
Voice Actors:
Venus: VoiceQuills / voicequills
Neptune: Skylarxene / skylarxene
Jupiter: Balsam
The Voice of God: Codex Entry / codexentry
The Voice of the Devil: Mousey / thejessicaallen
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Just wanted to let you know that the artist and co-creator for WKTD goes by Max Schwartz now!
Wow, Venus's angel form is total transition goals.
God (Devil?), the yellow ending is so fucking terrifying to me. Like getting to be free for a moment, then having it stripped away and forced to live knowing exactly what you’ll never have, just fuckkkkk.
It’s honestly a little draining when people in the WKTD fandom just write off Venus in favor of their traditional “sad cis girl” ship,” like they just missed the entire point of that part of the game.
Man, that second paragraph... isn't just writing the third person off and ignoring them what turns these kids into devils in the first place??
All 3 of these characters are beautifully complex i don't understand how people can write off any of them without having the entire point of the game have flown over their head
Something that I’ve realized in a lot of queer female media is that men are always terrible and the ones that aren’t are always some form of trans, which is why Venus’ role in this is insufferable she’s the only tolerable “man” in the story and it turns out she is a she and not a he. That as a queer man I get next to no representation written by other queer men irks me, almost all queer content is written by some form of afab or trans-fem and the content for gay men that do exist are written by fujoshis who likely aren’t even queer in the first place.
Gay trans man content does not work as gay cis man content we are different and deserve our own individual representation. The point is that the fact that Venus represents a problem I have with queer media is that men are only okay if they decide to become women or were women that chose to be men there is no content for me and my people in a community that’s all about representation, the fact that somehow official media has given me better representation than the queer spaces designed around representation is fu*king appalling and I’m sick of it 😒
It's kinda scary that if a cishet person played this, they might miss the nuance and think that the ending that is basically an allegory for forcible detransition is the GOOD ending
Jupiter's rubber band is actually a crude aversion therapy thing - you're supposed to snap it painfully against your wrist whenever you catch yourself having a "wrong" thought, training yourself to dislike and avoid them. Given the contexts in which she does it, she's likely to have had some incredibly toxic "professional" therapy help at some point.
I did think the voice sounded different than the one in "Pathologic". I am really happy that you managed to find a closer you, one More true to yourself. It couldnt have been easy. And while this will likely mean nothing from a stranger from the Internet: be proud that you managed to realise something in yourself and commit to it
I'm a speech pathologist and listening to folk change their voices through effort and training always makes me want to dive into the voice specialty. Especially when I hear people obviously taking care to not hurt themselves in the process. Sul's voice before and now were both lovely and comfortable, but there is an unmistakable authenticity and perhaps even joy to it that wasn't there before, and it makes me deeply happy.
it really is crazy to me how many of the people i watch or stumble across end up being trans. idk if me being trans makes me appreciate trans content? (even closeted) or like i just remember them more because im trans, and transess being a hot button topic is helping expose people to the concept and figure out who they are.
(the voice change is a gender thing right? id feel very stupid otherwise)
@@profeseurchemical I was hoping, and still am, that someone with first hand experience will comment on this,(not trolls) as I am a cis he/him,
but as I understand it, gender confirmation(a wide umbrella) is unique to each person and dysphoria can be a significant part of it or not. For clinicians, it's about listening to each person and working to achieve whatever needs are healthy and achievable. We all modulate our voices pitch and tone for our conversation partners and environments but there's a range we can work with and training to safely reach the desired self voice.
After a voice class testing to determine my fundamental frequency "structurally natural pitch" I was not terribly surprised that I was affecting a near unhealthily artificial deep voice with professional peers.
HGood I.
Her voice is lovely.
I think I related strongest to the descriptions of Venus and Jupiter, with both mirroring my own lived experiences. Though I don't identify as trans, and instead feel quite comfortable in my gender at birth, I did feel the same pressures that Venus does. The constant apologizing for my existence being a big one - the eternal disappointment in my family and their expectations as well as the punishing isolation as a result. Jupiter being unable to allow herself to be kind to herself and just embodying self loathing so intensely was also a surprising similarity. Her almost martyr like desire to suffer for the perceived sins of her existence. I suppose when you've lived through that sort of upbringing, it wouldn't be uncommon to have traits of those characters.
Your analysis and dive into this was really fascinating to me, and I found the way you explained different sequences to be very cerebral. I think my favorite moment came at the end where you said "There is no happiness in assimilation, no joy in self denial. There is no redemption in the eyes of an unforgiving God. There is only salvation in self acceptance, and between God and the Devil, I know which one would welcome me with open arms." This resonates with me significantly, and I really appreciate that you put into words these feeling.
The self actualization that comes with the acceptance of who you are is one of those transformative moments that I appreciated seeing visualized in the game. The acceptance of the devil within - the rejection of the falseness of the social construct - leading into a rebirth that was at first malformed in isolation but refined into something beautiful in community hearkens to that need in a broader sense too within queer spaces.
SO many of us struggle to find anything or anyone to relate to, and when we do, it is often times abusive itself. Generation trauma among queer people is a thing, and with so many of our spaces consumed by the privilege of status and social hierarchy it is a challenge to build genuine relationships with our peers. Tie that with the overwhelming nature of the crises that we face as a collective people and it makes moments like the ending of this game all the more precious, all the more necessary.
You mentioned this in the KOTOR 2 video, but I feel it bears repeating - trauma bonding as a result of what has happened to us results in unhealthy cycles in relationships, and at first that was what I thought this game was going to be about. But instead, its a fascinating transformation of this very real pain into something of a liberation through group apotheosis. Perhaps, as people within and without our spaces continue to negotiate our reality, such a thing can come to pass?
I have greatly enjoyed your content, and deeply appreciate your keen eye. Thank you for being brave and for sharing your thoughts on these games.
as a transman who grew up in the midwest, this game hit me so, so hard the first time i played it. venus' end destroyed me, but it was jupiter's that stuck with me the hardest. even now, almost a decade later, i still get choked up thinking about this game. absolutely beautiful, thank you for bringing attention to this amazing work
Oh god hell yeah. WKTD was one of the last things I made a video on before taking a break from youtubing, and probably one of the videos I'm proudest of. You're one of my favorite essayists, too, so I'm excited to see what you have to say about it!
if the copyright bots don't steamroll me I *do* intend to get to an essay about utena - one dayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
@@SulMatul Hahaha, saaame! I hope I get to see it someday, I'd love to hear your thoughts. Also I was excited to realize that you made Ascension! I remember talking to you about it on Twitter shortly before some major life changes threw me for a loop and I just never got the chance to play it. This just reminded me to reinstall it, so yaaay maybe soon!
I didn't make the connection that you ran this youtube channel back then, though, which is a little embarrassing in hindsight! Thanks so much, your Pathologic lets play in particular was how I experienced the game, and I'm so grateful.
Thank you for mentioning your own video, I am always dying for more WKTD talk ever since I played in 2016, there will never be enough talk of this game
@@SulMatul God what I would give for an Utena essay from you, PLEASE
HOLY SHIT THE VOICE ACTING FOR THE DEVIL IS SO GOOD
I KNOW RIGHT !!! IT'S CODEX ENTRY
Because of this video I played ascention and now I'm having a gender crisis, a truly excellent game!
Thank you for playing!
This game was a huge part of me realising that I'm trans. It made me cry so much (especially the Venus ending) and question if I was cursed to feel this way or if maybe like the protagonists I could break free. Thank you for this essay. It means so much to me to see others appreciating it. This is such an amazing video and you should be genuinely proud of it. Thanks for creating it.
The game that made me realize I'm trans. Will always have a special place in my heart.
This game sounds a bit too triggering right now, but I look forward to seeing this video later! It looks really interesting. Also: a while ago I started noticing how game TH-camrs were becoming more casually progressive and queer+woman friendly, and now I love seeing how that morphed into there just being more queer videomakers haha.
hi! i loved the video and wanted to contribute by trying to give a constructive criticism, as a person with hearing problems the mixing of background music and your voice was a bit of, specially on the intro. I had difficulty hearing parts of sentences when the audio of the song would peak.
still not a big deal, i was able to understand the whole video! hope that you keep up the amazing job ❤
Ah, thank you for letting me know - I have English captions being worked on and should release in the next couple of days, but this is also helpful for my next videos. I’ll make sure the sound balancing is a little better on those ones
@@SulMatul awesome! Thank you so much for your content 🤗
LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Hey, thank you for making this video. Without it I wouldn't have learned about WKTD and it really deserves wider recognition. Honestly one of the scariest games I've ever played, mainly because of how deep it got under my skin.
Loved your video as well. Really made my cry
This video is such a source of comfort when i feel overwhelmed or unlovable. Im a poly transfemme, and i feel unaccepted by society and its institutions a lot, and suls gentle voice and compasionate reading are a warm embrace when i cant take anymore. Thank you for making it 💜
As a queer girl myself I extremely enjoyed this video. The topic, the execution, the symbolism and the atmosphere of the video and the game felt familiar. Unfortunately.
Hearing your voice, - these happy little bells, - and how you described the transformation of Venus gave me hope again for the future of one of my best friend.
We live in Hungary, and catholicism is as strong as ever here. We were born extremely lucky to families who aren't anti-LGBT, and we still feel like outsiders. We don't mind this feeling anymore, we take pride in it. Still for her being trans in "almost Eastern Europe" is dangerous, and tho my mother supports the LGBT movement (in private, but I'm glad she's open minded) I still feel that if I took home a girl instead of a boy, that could lead to some uncomfortable conversations.
In our metamodernist reality there is no chance for happiness but if people self-actualize. We will do that. I'm glad you did.
Holy shit you are now a woman? What do you say in such a situation? Congrats? Well.. congrats on achieving your identity! I am really happy for you to be able to take that step - I will miss the voice from your previous essays but its miniscule compared to the gain this change has likely brought to your life! Keep going!!
Your voice is wonderful to listen to. I'm a trans man and was sobbing during Venus' route. I need to play this.
Was that the revolutionary girl utena op in the background? Love that show, I swear every queer kid in my middle school managed to get ahold of it at least once.
Its also nice to see more gays in horror that are just there as diversity filler or a 3 sec cut from being censored completely. I've Known kids like the Protagonists and I can See my younger self in Jupiter. And I know somewhere out there someone out there will play this and realize that they're not alone.
So glad TH-cam recced this to me! Loved your Pathologic 2 vid and it always makes me happy to see more coverage of We Know the Devil. You did a great job summing up the girls' arcs and the voice actors heightened the whole thing. Def subscribing and reccing this vid to my other friend who's played the game :)
Gay
This was great Sul! I first found your channel back with your Pathologic play through, I’m so excited that you’re putting more stuff out! Something about your content, despite the darker topics it explores in games, makes me feel safe. Especially this game, I’ve never heard of it before this but your analysis was incredible and I felt incredibly seen by Jupiter and Venus and Neptune, your narration was incredible!
I appreciate you making these! Sounds like a really interesting game, but I almost definitely would never have sat down to play it. It’s awesome being able to be a bit more idle while watching/listening to your breakdown of it. Thanks!
P.S. idk if this is a face reveal or not but it’s the first time I’ve seen your face myself, and you are simply gorgeous! not really relevant so I hope that’s not weird to say
Aaaah. The in-fighting spelled out for me at the end there. That is quite a cool focus on the climactic scene. I'm totally out of these social spheres but enjoy the emotional maturity from the scripts of the games you cover. Usually, if I play them myself the coded language goes over my head. Good VA work here, I quote enjoyed it and your coverage.
Non-conformity to the end.
I can't believe I still haven't played this.
Oh wow I'm so excited. My favorite game and one of my favorite essayists coming together is a dream
Incredible video once again!! I can’t wait to experience this game firsthand and I love how velvety and happy your voice sounds now! ♥️
Oh wow I remember being obsessed with this game years ago! So excited to hear your thoughts :)
Been a subscriber since your pathologic series! Congrats on this chapter of your life fam! Amazing voice!
Your voice was hot before and even hotter now. The same amazing content. Love you Sul!
I cant believe this came out eo long ago, its lived in my soul since i played it. Words can't describe how tenderly i hold this game and its trauma
I’d love to see a video from you about Heaven Will Be Mine! As of right now I’ve only seen your videos on this and Madoka, but it’s nice seeing this media properly discussed!
This is a blast from the past. Havent heard of this one for ages. With a more present perspective damn this story is darker then I thought
wow, video length is about as long as the game is! cool. i love this game, made me sob many times. hit downright supernaturally close to home, like i had somehow wrote an autobiography and the game creators adapted it. i went to a religious camp (although they liked to pretend they weren't, which i feel is worse) that specialized in "bad kids", i am very like neptune, and i hung out with two kids who were very much like jupiter and venus. we did not go through such a supernatural experience, but a very metaphorical emotionally similar experience
Omg yessssss I absolutely agree We Know The Devil is insanely good visual novel and I would rank it as a must read/play for anyone looking for story telling in an interactive medium
Watching playthroughs of WKTD was an amazing experience for me because it plumbed the depths of the human soul with such a seemingly simple premise. Thanks for your thoughts.
Was the KOTOR 2 video pulled down?
It got a spurious copyright claim on it in the last half hour, I’m working on trying to get that undone
@@SulMatul oh thank god i was worried as well
sorry you have to deal with that smh
I’m so glad to see you back!
Holy...now knowing what we know. Your dub ob Aglaya makes such sense, and not just that. On it's own it was amazing. Now it's just on another level. I'm so proud of you. You are a beautiful soul, a talented creator and I wish you nothing but happiness in you life, as you gave your community. ❤
I want to say something insightful but my mind goes mostyly FUCKING YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WOOOHOOOOOOOOO GREAT GREAT YES I AGREE (also I accept the apology about misgendering Venus I personally firsthand absolutely think I understand how it must have hurt)
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seeing this video made me look it up on steam and has resulted in an unexpected purchase :) thank you for bringing my attention to this! i look forward to the video once it's actually aired
I just watched your pathologic video yesterday and girl your voice sounds INCREDIBLE 😻😻😻😻😻😻😻😻😻 I just had my first voice lesson recently and hearing the difference in your voice between your two videos is legitimately inspiring to me. Thank you 💯🏳️🌈💜
Ahh, thank you! That’s really heartwarming to hear!
I ended up really liking this game a lot. Took me a long time to get around to it but it was absolutely worth it. The True ending had me tearing up and feeling a deep solidarity with the characters, especially with Venus' feelings around her body
Your video really enhanced the experience for me too. I think I cried more watching this video than playing the game itself. It helped me understand and process it better. Well done.
I watched the whole video and I loved it! I especially loved your Luna-Terra cosplay and super look forward to more of your work in the future!
Well, this sounds right up my alley. I'll give the game a go and come back for your essay after. Gotten quite into queer horror VNs recently like Echo so I bet this will be good too.
I never got around to watching any playthroughs but I love the art style! Very excited to see what’s it’s about
THANK YOU for this video. ive loved this game for years and introduced it to as many people as i could get to listen. i love to say that it broke me and changed me as a person. it warms my heart to see more people give it the same kind of love
So you're just gonna drop two of the best video essays of the year within just a couple of months? Just like that?? You spoil us!
ayyyyy, I'm so happy to see you're back!!! Your videos are some of my all time favourites ❤️
Just wanted to say that when I inevitably come out to my parents, it will be because I watched this video
holy crap goals your girl voice is so freakin cute
Thank you so much for this video. I wish I could show this to my 14 year old self. And tell them it's going to be okey.
This game reminded me so much of what I loved about your game, Ascension!
It's kinda like witches
Will admit, I spent half the video simping over your voice and the other half just marvelling at the story of the game itself
Wait a minute. When Venus ripped her arm off, was that a metaphor for her cutting off the...
Reaching the end of that video and seeing your cosplay...
Yeah, I can't wait to see what you'll have to say about HWBM
SulMatul would you ever talk about Utena on your channel? ☺️
I really really want to!
aww fuck yes let's gooooo
I appreciate these deep dives into games that I would otherwise not likely play.
When i saw this video by you come up in my feed i knew i needed to play the game lol. And it was incredible. As soon as id gotten all the endings i came back to watch this video and i love this too. Incredible Job
I’ve avoided this video essay like a plague fr because I wanted to play the game myself and honestly banger. I’m glad I did that. We Know the Devil absolutely queer horror in so many ways.
Though being someone religious it was a bit difficult especially with Venus’ route because to me transitioning and not trying to bury something about yourself is closer to godly. Taking steps to be closer to who you want to be is sorta like taking steps toward divinity if that makes sense.
Like I know in a way this game is about satanism. Not in a Devil praising way but in a liberating absolutely unapologetic self-love but I don’t feel like that conflicts with God’s message of love and acceptance, flaws and all. When Jupiter goes into the whole “you can’t just change the rules suddenly” I felt that so deeply because I remember having a bit of a crisis over that. The idea of doing good things perhaps for selfish reasons, just to make yourself feel good has been a complicated matter for me.
That last route where all three of them become devils is beautiful. Jupiter using her many hands to pull Venus from her skin is something I will think about for a long long time.
You always manage to make these videos just unerringly eloquent. Amazing stuff as always and I've been greatly enjoying digging through the back catalogue
This video made me cry very much, thank you
OHHH MY FUCKING GOD I LOVE THIS GAME IT MAKES ME SO EXCITED TO SEE SOMEONE TALKING ABOUT IT!!!!!!!! You should maybe play Night In The Woods, because it's my favorite game ever and goes into the feeling of intense depression and dissociation, while also being so charming and so underrated. I would die if I saw a Night In The Woods video by you /pos
Gonna need a video on Heaven will be mine SOON, so much juicy content to talk about there
this game really is a great example of how games can truly be a wonderful medium of self expression and thank you os much for this video, your analysis is so in depth and thanks to you i would have never even heard of the game. That voice acting, however....... oof.
Hello thanks for this work on analysis. This is a game I really like. Jupiter is a lot close to home :( it is really a very good game. Heaven will be mine is also in my backlog
Wait, this game has voice acting? How did I miss this??
Nah I think it’s just for the analysis. Which is even more impressive!
I am so glad you keep posting videos! Thank you very much for your content
Who tf gave them permission to make a game about me when I was fourteen?
Horse is mind
This video is wonderful! I remember watching another TH-cam video on this game and wanting to know more but not having time to play the novel myself. Thank you so much for your work
almost made me cry the first time I played it and got the true ending
I loved the voice acting!
Do you think you will do a video on Heaven Will Be Mine?
It's on the list!
@@SulMatul excellent.
Ah, dude, I'd love to see you do Heaven Will Be Mine
crying and crying and crying and crying and crying and crying and also crying
Yo what happened to your knights of the old Republic 2 video? I've been watching it for the past two days but it's gone now.
It got blocked by a spurious copyright claim, I’m working on trying to resolve it and get the video back up
@@SulMatul Thanks for confirming! I'm 5 hours in and eager for the rest.
This is the story that set me free. 💕🤘💕
okay but did they ever find the devil tho
What happened to your Kotor 2 video? It was amazing I was on the third hour, really hope you re-upload
Trying to! TH-cam’s copyright system is being very difficult about it since the switch rerelease but we aim to have it back up soon!
@@SulMatul oooh that makes sense wow thanks Nintendo lol
Did you quote Natalie? I did that too. 😄
Such a good analysis! And all the voices sound so Good this is amazing
Did you quote contrapoints in the opening
I hope one day i can be free too
Loved this video so much. Honestly love all of them. Small question whats the song playing towards the very end of the video, sounds so similar but i cant quiet place it. Thanks!
I discovered your Madoka Magica a week ago. I end up here. I NEED TO FOLLOW YOUR CHANNEL, NOW!!! 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️ Good stuff, thought provoking. I’ve not seen Madoka but liked the bits of the first episode (did watched it when it was first fan subbed 🙈🙈🙈).
I’m fascinated by Visual Novels.
I rely on YT reviewers to direct me to good content.
I remember you from the Sayaka analysis! I thoroughly enjoyed it and I'm happy to watch this We know the devil video after I just played the game. :3
I think I'd enjoy the game a lot better if it weren't so frustrating/stressful to get the polycule ending. Or the true ending, whichever you prefer. I fretted like crazy over the count of how many times I picked each character, and in the end, the final choice before the check, didn't offer me the option I needed to balance the scales. I lost, not because I didn't know what I needed to do to succeed, but that enough choices at enough points in the game didn't have all three options, that I just couldn't make those pieces fall into place.
Oooooooh. I am making time to play this. But before I pack my bags for camp, I do want to say your voice is delightful~!
I open a video, SulMatul tells me to play the game first, I close the video. Wash, rinse, repeat lmao
Wow.... you are really good at hooking people in your videos... I'm glad I finished this.
i noticed your voice getting more feminine as your videos went on, but WOW! what a change between this and the last pathologic vid! 💖
What's the skinny on Worst Girls creating another novel or game? Is it possible or something wholly off the table?
Absolutely fantastic video! Thank you for uploading this!
What was the Lindsay Ellis bit about? Social capital is a thing and that Lindsay lost it? Was there an even deeper comment on that situation?