"Sign this paper right here" ... Sir, this was Europe! No liability for bystanders on public roads. "You got hit by a car? Go watch it somewhere else!"
@@colingordon2749 Well if you are to slow the are standard thick to you! You need to be fast that they apear thinner too your eye ...... If not! To slow! Best possible would be only a bluur.... But we are still unaugmented humans!
After Group B ended, Audi took their Quattros to the USA and dominated Trans Am and IMSA. Briefly. The American teams whined too much and four wheel drive was banned. 😁😜
@@ToreDL87 Wasnt the Viper mainly banned becouse they couldnt figure out the handling and the car was way too dangerous? Might be another car im thinking of so please correct me if im wrong there :P
I will never forget FIA banning the Mazda Rotary engine for 24hr of Le Mans. They could not hold that thing down for the love of them :D they had to ban it.
Walter Röhrl quotes: “When accelerating, the tears of emotion must flow horizontally towards the ear.” “I won’t wear a helmet for anything over 8 minutes on the Nordschleife!” “Good drivers have fly remains on their side windows.” “If the car is loud enough, they (the wild animals) will stay in the forest.” "When you get to my age, riding in the dark isn't that much fun anymore, because you can't see anything at night. I've often thought recently that I could actually still ride in the World Championship, because they only ride during the day, those wimps!" "It (the acceleration of the Audi S1) is like someone crashing into the back of you at thirty miles an hour at a red light."
Big Roehrl fan from Austria here - know and like them all :D PS: i once overtook and outpaced Walter when he was driving in the oldest Porsche through the Alps in Tyrol and i met him with my quite tuned "4WD Dakar-Merc Sprinter" - that was a fun race and also Walter had his fun and sideways moments, not just me in the Bus who perfectly knew the track cause i was working there since 2 months already :))
A friend had a short interview with him once in his Status. It was along the lines of "Only Rally embodies real driving and racing. The rest is just memorizing tracks and patterns." I thought long about that and .... yeah, I can relate. :D
Growing up in a Belgian Rally village I totally get it. Hearing the roar of a 500 HP beast making it's way up through the forest and than feeling the vibration of the car and screaming of the 9.000 RPM spinning engine ..... You feel it in your heart. Your hair stands up. Then the sound goes away, dimmes down, and 1 minut later it all starts again when the next car is approaching. Now up to 40 years later I'm approaching my fifthies, but I still go to Belgian Rally-events about 2 to 4 times a year. And if an Audi S1, a Peugeot 205 T16 or an Manta B floats by on a demonstration run of what has once been ....... hell yeah those hairs stand up once more. And they do every time again I go and see a spectacle. But yes. Safety has improved immencly. And that's a REAL good thing.
i'm from Portugal and grew up hearing the stories of group B, altough i never got the chance to see it everytime one of those cars rolls by in a rally event/hillclimb everyone goes crazy to this day. wish they could bring it back with more people watching the tracks for safety reasons
I’m not sure… Some safety issues has helped, but a lot has fucked things up.. Unfortunately it all comes down to the white collars have no idea but control what the blue collars do….
One story from the Group B era is that when Michele Mouton came to a service area after a stage the mechanics found a finger in one of the air intakes of her car. Thats how close people were. It was considered a sport in itself to touch the cars back then when rules and regulations were out the window. I saw these monster cars live myself in Sweden and Finland back in 1984-1985. One thing my brain will never forget ❤❤
@@amiigaf4476found the guy who only watched the grand tour… educate yourself first please, read some books. I.e. the actual Delta S4 book with accounts from ex engineers and test drivers.
@rustico0 @rustico0 oh sure! Your logic is flawless ya daft twat. "Lancia is said do have done shit things but luckily lancia wrote a book prooving that wrong" Do you have a second braincell your first one can connect to?
@@rustico0 Amico, creo que el compañero @amiigaf4476 se refería a la disputa entre el Lancia 037 y el Audi Quattro A1 & A2, por el campeonato de constructores de 1983. El Delta S4 sólo participó a finales de 1985 y en 1986. Y no ganó ningún título mundial. No entiendo tu comentario 🤔 REMEMBER: Group B ~ 1982-1986 Champions; 1982 - Walter Röhrl (Opel Ascona 400) Champion Team: AUDI 1983 - Hannu Mikkola (Audi Quattro A2) Champion Team: LANCIA
At that time, there was a challenge among the crowd attending the races. It involved touching the cars as they went by... Drivers and mechanics would often find bits of fingers on the wheels...They sure knew how to have fun back then!!!😂😂
Group B was pure insanity, and those cars were absolutely legendary. Putting 500bhp in a Peugeot 205 or a Metro was bonkers, and I absolutely idolized those cars back in the day. Still do, truth be told. The Metro VR6 was a pure beast.
The information is not entirely true. Group B was limited by a restrictor to 330 kW. Of course, the leading teams were apparently committing fraud. MG with its Metro 6R4 without a turbo, on the other hand, was not able to achieve this engine power. The car benefited from the lighter weight, however the MG Metro 6R4 could not compete against the Lancias, Peugeots, Audis or Fords and did not finish on the podium in a single WRC race.
You should check about Michelle Mouton , she an absolute legend to automobile racing. She finally was nominated Director of WRC by the FIA for handling race safety.
The photo of the Lancia 037 who jump on the road with the crowd on the bothe sides, it´s call Fafe Lameirinha located in Portugal in the 80´s. Man, i miss those days, a lot.
About the spectators: It was the 80's. We all did it. For our local Acropolis Rally, the organizer (ELPA) would bring earhmoving equipment in the logging mountain roads to make them more difficult. We would go with bandanas over our noses and sunglasses due to extreme dust raised by the cars. Also, the stages are run in public roads, meaning you are free to go and spectate as another famous youtuber said.
In Portugal you could hear the pilots screaming about the crazy people. They didn’t go slower but they were always cursing and mostly they did not see the road.
If Finns were the craziests drivers the portuguese were the craziest spectators. Born in the north of Portugal, as a teenager in the 80ths, the rally was the greatest free event, we loved it. Rhol, vatanen, marku allen, moton, mikkula, toyvonen, some of the best ever drivers with that group B crazy machines❤
I highly recommend Climb Dance, a short film about Ari Vatanen driving the Peugeot 405 T16 up Pikes Peak before it was all tarmac. Beautifully shot, with great music. It was meant as a display of skill, not a race. The Dakar is also amazing, especially the early days. Dutch truck manufacturer DAF used to run 1000hp twin triple-turbo diesel engines. They would do 200 km/h (130 mph) on flat sand. There's a famous video of the X1 overtaking the Dakar spec Peugeot 405 T16, also driven by Vatanen. Unfortunately, the sister truck crashed and killed the navigator, Kees van Loevezijn, and severely injuring driver Theo van de Rijt and mechanic Chris Ross (a Scot). The truck class was essentially like Group B rally, almost no rules. The trucks were banned after the crash. DAF pulled out of racing immediately and sold the team to lead driver Jan de Rooij. He became a fixture in the Dakar world, as did his son Gerard. There are some video's explaining it in more detail, although it is pretty grim, for obvious reasons.
@@pouf6463 Indeed. It was insanity. Even crazier is the fact that nobody in the DAF team thought about reinforcing the factory seat rails. Kees van Loevezijn was thrown from the cab, still strapped to his seat. It was torn off the rails. The other two seats came off as well, but stayed in the cab.
Walter Röhrl dominated Group B with his Audi for a while.. there is an EPIC video with closeups in different angles of him, while driving-simply insane clip, highly recommend watching that!
Well let’s be real Röhrl only won few events with Audi, but he never really dominated as the other cars were getting closer in development and eventually ahead. The only drivers who dominated with the Audi were Hannu Mikkola, especially in ’83, and Stig Blomqvist in 1984. Michèle Mouton was solid too but in the real Group B years she was no match at all. Peugeot and Ari Vatanen/Timo Salonen took over in ’84. Then there was Mr Henri Toivonen who was in a class of his own in late ’85 and early ’86 :)
I always say:" If you would ever need a getaway driver, you want to call one of these." There are a lot of compilations of Rally Racing. "This is Rally-Pure Sound" from MrM is 100% worth a watch. There is actually a series of compilations on his channel. You might want to consider reacting to one of these.
Since the race is on a public road, every visitor is responsible for their own safety. When I visited those races back in my youth I tended to be very close to the road but with a sturdy tree next to me. You're perfectly safe behind a good old oak tree. If a car crashes into it, it won't even budge a fraction of an inch.
Michèle Mouton, la meilleure pilote et elle est française. Il faut avoir de sacré reflexe pour être pilote de WRC et surtout une confiance aveugle à son copilote. Sébastien Loeb est le meilleur pilote de WRC (9 championnats) et un record à Pike Spike et le deuxième est Sébastien Ogier, encore un français (8 championnats). Le constructeur qui a remporté le plus de championnat est Lancia avec 10 championnats et en deuxième, c'est Citroën avec 8 championnats.
She was good. So are the two Sébastiens, well they were much complete to be honest than her, but there’s no doubt Finnish drivers dominated Group B. Just look at the Group B’s final year’s standings and other years as well. You only/mostly see Finns in Top 3-5 places. I don’t see too many French there at the top. You only had tarmac specialist then while Finns, and Swedes too, could drive on any surface. Nowadays it’s a completely different thing. You guys, in the southern Europe, have learned to drive on gravel.
@@max27stonernumbers don't lie. Sébastien Loeb won 9 titles with no interruption. Other drivers were also very good, but Sébastien Loeb. He also beat Rhys Millen record in pike's peak by a full minute
@@CaptainDangeax they don’t lie indeed, but mister, I was talking about Group B as this video is about that. But yes, Finns are tooking back it from the French. We have seven different WRC champions, eight if you count Markku Alén’s FIA Cup win. No other country is even close and the only nation that is the closest to Finland’s tally is France with three. Others have two or one champion(s). Kalle Rovanperä has made it clear, and will be making it clear once again in 2025, that where the title belongs. Look at 2022 and 2023. Dominance. Finland will take it back from France what belong to us sooner or later; the most WRC championships by nationality. At the moment, in 2024, we are three titles behind in overall titles. But we have 48 medals and French only 31. No other nation has even 15. It’s obviously 1v1. French might have two Sébastiens, but we have Kalle now and we dominated Group B, period. Also Mäkinen and Kankkunen both with four titles. I know it’s not eight or nine but look; titles and different eras can’t really be compared. Yes, I’m patriotic. How I cannot be? I’m so proud of Finland’s achievements. In Kalle We Trust.
A total of 31 spectators were injured and 3 died. So it's actually pretty safe. At a race for prototypes and Gran Turismos in Le Mans in 1955, 55 spectators died in a single race.
Imagine you're a youngster in the 70s or 80s. No cellphones, no online games. Young people would spend a lot of their time incredibly bored, trying to find out something fun to do. A slightly older guy comes home to your village. He's been at the rallye, and he actually managed to TOUCH one of the rally cars as it flew by in 120 MPH. He's instantly the hero of the village, the toughest guy in the bunch. The first time you go to a rally, of course you try to touch the cars as they fly by, because you also want to be the hero of your village!
Lol... "No cellphones, no online games. Young people would spend a lot of their time incredibly bored..." It is amazing how far society has fallen for someone to come out with a statement like this. For the records, it is the opposite. We used to bounce out of bed and be running out of the house because of all the exciting things we had planned for the day. Building forts, swimming, jumping bikes,always something. Sadly a lot of people have forgotten how sharp the unbridled imagination of a child can be. The 70's and the 80's where the most exciting times there had been for being a child.
@mortlaursen6752 so true, me and my friends we were always in the streets in my city. We only came home when mothers start to shout at windows for us to dinner. Now it’s not possible to do that for safety reasons. We did not have much but we used the imagination.
''We are going to watch rally today, do you have the condolence cards ready? And look kids, we are going to stand here in the corner so that they don't touch us or completely...have fun''
There's some great TH-cam channels explaining the history on how and why the group B was created and how it ended. Can recommend the "Vilebrequin" video one, but, that's a french channel 😅
That video of the guy with the wine is a modern video, thank god rally is still mad as ever, best motorsport I’ve ever watched thank god my town turns into a stage once a year
There is a lot of rally video that you can react uncle D! Love your reactions and love rally! my uncle tells me a lot of stories about rally in the 80's. Hug from Italia ❤
La chaine française Vilebrequin avait fait une vidéo sur l'histoire du groupe B. La chaine qui a cessé ses activités suite au "divorce professionnel" entre les deux animateurs, mais qui était hilarante, notamment les vidéos sur des questions improbables du genre "peut-on rouler sans huile dans le moteur ?" ou "Peut-on mettre autre chose que de l'air dans les pneus (comme du béton) ?" ou "à la place de l'essence, si on mettait de la vodka ?" et ils essayaient IRL ^^
WRC has the best drivers and regularly beat drivers from other systems in the Race of Champions. Sebastian Loeb is one of the greatest. One further thing to realize: tracks are different each year. So they cannot practice them. Iirc they get one 'shakedown' for each segment, which are like 30+ over 3 days. All they really have is the 'prayerbook' their co-pilot reads from which has rough orientation like long 3 left into 5 right rocks inside. So they are flying down roads they don't know as fast as they can through snow in Sweden, gravel in Finnland, tarmac in Corica, sand in Australia and mud in Scotland. One car which can get like 20 mins of repairs every 3 or 4 segments. The drivers will drive them till they fall apart.
Portugal was the country in which the spectators just lined the roads inches from the cars, but not just in the group b days, there is in car footage from Colin mcrea where it was just the same!
One of the most driver in group B was Michelle Mouton who drive on an historical vehicule. The Audi S1 and she win a lot of time! The vehicule in the air of the trailer is Michelle Mouton...a women who have win a lot of time!
21:30 thats Monte Carlo this year, first race of the season, Group B stage times were surpassed 1990 by group A cars. Todays WRC 1 car has more than 500 hps and its build like group B car, space frame and composite panels as body.
When I was a kid , a rally was led just in front of my house door. The communication pc was in my front yard. I was lucky enough to see all these incredible cars. That was a hell of a good time.
"I see death all over this picture" - welcome to the madness that Group B was, sir, thanks for having you on. PS: I'm born in Portugal in 1984, this was before my time, but in retrospect I remember adults talking about it when I was growing up. It was hush-hush, but after a few years and investigation, I got it. In retrospect, the spirit of "rally" where the pilot and co-pilot need to master the knowledge of the road the driving on the road with cars close to relatable and have all the knowledge and nimbleness helping them along is a dream. F1, known circuit everyone knows? I sleep. F1, one mistake causes crashes on dozens of vehicles, I sleep more. Nascar? I sleep into a coma, get me back to horse-riding in the 1800s. Also, 4WD handling on highly skilled drivers on multiple surfaces is a joy to watch as watching skill and readiness. Just as long you keep stuff as safe as possible, probably (baseline) keeping power down.
The footage of people on the road or track is in northern Portugal back in the 80´s. I was there but in a safety spot. Back then many spectators got injured and some had died in some bad accidents.
I was a teen when I saw these cars live at 1000 Lakes. Henri was my hero, and what the time it was for a finnish kid we had Vatanen, Kankkunen,Alen,Mikkola,Salonen and Henri Toivonen. RIP Henri and Sergio and Attilio.
I saw several dozens of rallies as a kid. Central, northern and southern Europe. These guys has a special box in the back of their cars. Just for their big balls.
Jeannot was a race car driver He drove so goddamn fast He often did win some checkered flags And he never did come in last Jeannot was a race car driver He'd say "Les titres, je m'en fous" With a lozenge sticker on his A442 He'd light 'em up just for fun
@@jinxvrs Nope, the one I'm talking about here is more known for his crazy and carefree style in rallying and supertourism in addition to endurance racing. BTW, at the time, the A442 wasn't only named Alpine He was Ken Block way before Ken Block, even with a FWD car.
The most obvious and real difference is that in the US you have the right to sue anyone for anything. Hot coffee on your lap? Sue McD. In Europe, people are living without this bullshit. That's why this was and is still possible, we know the risks we are taking. The drivers in WRC were and are still one of the best you can find out there. Flying with 100-120mph on a narrow road through a forest or on a snow? Sheesh. But yeah, where you see a crash, we see excitement and adrenaline. :)
And that's because we have affordable health care for all. A big reason American's sue is the only way they can afford any medical bills is by suing. Their whole system is insane.
@speleokeir eh, not only. They sue cause they can for everything. That idiot that poured hot coffee in her lap from McDonald's sued them cause there was no sign saying the coffee is hot and got a payout. That's why we see on microwaves to jot put pets and children in there... It's not the medical issue only 😂😂😂
The McD story is spinned so much you actually buy that it's the old woman who's the crazy one. McD had the coffee so hot she got disfigured. They were breaking the law with how hot the coffee was. And she only asked them to pay the medical bill and the denied her. McD had it coming. And I'm saying this as a Danish dude who largely thinks that people need to be responsible for their own actions. But this philosophy also include companies.
@@tobimobiv1 Yeah, I know the coffee was over 105c. But a good coffee is still after being boiled. The issue is, there are too many stupid people ouut there, and that's why we see stickers like "don't put baby in microwave" type of shit
6:13 When you see that Audi sliding sideways on the asphalt inches away from the spectators, now, remember, that's a 500hp, AWD Audi sliding on the asphalt, that car, when that fan is holding his head, that car was on the absolute limit, 8k RPM, 110mph. This was madness.
The Baja 1000 in the 80s and 90s had crowds like that too. My dad was a co-driver and crew chief for Nissan in the early 90s and told us stories about people slapping the sides of the truck as they went flying by at an average speed of 60 -70 mph (not kilometers) on dirt. One wrong move and people could easily die. People can still get close to the track to this day, but most off road racing organizations have implemented a rule about people being 50 feet to 100 feet away from the track and some even employ people to patrol the sides of the track. Also NEVER EVER EVER set up to watch on the outside of a corner. Its a really good way to die. All it takes is one bad jump or a blown corner and people can get killed easily. It is not the fault of the organization or the racers for you to get hit by a race car in the middle of the desert. You would think that it would be common sense not to be right on the track.
And throughout the film you always see the same cars, but very rarely the most well-known and successful ones: Lancia Stratos, Lancia 037, Delta S4 and after the end of Group B the Lancia Delta Integrale which still holds the record for successes, a classic Northern European video :D
If your interested, I highly suggest that you look more into Sébastien Loeb, a French rally driver who literally crushed the competition during the 00’s and early 10’s
There is a video out there from Group B drivers that have a Pedal Cam installed. You can really tell that they´re Athletes. Back then, no sterring assist either, so, yeah...
Henri toivonen, again finnish and absolutely one of the greatest drivers ever... he was leading the rally by MINUTES, which was a huge lead even that time... right before he started the last special stage, he was interviewed and he said he had high fever and even without fever, those cars were way too fast, so fast that your brains cannot keep up properly... then they were gone just like that, the worst way you could imagine... RIP Henri and Sergio!
@@CaptainDangeax no, it was aluminium, you can.see the rollcages. However, there is rumors that at some point lancia used cardboard rollcages to reduce weight.... lol
Ahhh group B, I spent many cold days and nights in the UK marshaling these crazy cars in forests . So pleased I was around to witness these monsters. 😎
Yes crazy Time! I am so pround of a legend pilot: Michèle Mouton. A great pilot and and the only woman who drived this Monsters cars : Audi in yellow and black, nickname the killer bees!
Hannu Mikkola said after the average speed record on the stage 'ouninpohja' that 'I'm not sure if the tyres were ever attached to the road surface'. I think the average speed on that stretch was over 180 km/h. Audi quattro.
New main category is Rally1 with hybrid engines (Ford Puma, Toyota GR Yaris, Hyundai i20) and there are wrc support categories like Rally2 and Rally3 (no hybrid)
I was a Marshall for the Ulster Automobile Club at the height of Group B, and saw amazing developments. Fords timing to get into Group B was catastrophic, their RS 200 was, in my opinion, the best looking Group B car, and I saw the aftermath of a fatal collision on the Ulster Rally involving a white RS 200. The child hit was picked up by a following helicopter, and the driver rejoined the race with a massive bloodstain down the off-side front wing of the car, the show must go on ......
Group B best rally era, Michèle Mouton was in the Quattro at this thime 😎Whatever happens, the queen brand of Rally with 10 constructors' titles and 11 world champion titles is Lancia with the Stratos, 037, the S4 and Delta, they withdrew in 1992 ''leaving room for the rookies'' they said. The Deltas that were still present in 1992 were engaged in private teams, which remained in competition until 1993.
In Europe people are not afraid of getting hurt because they have universal healthcare and they are not afraid of becoming poor because of hospital bills
"Sign this paper right here" ... Sir, this was Europe! No liability for bystanders on public roads.
"You got hit by a car? Go watch it somewhere else!"
In Finland we have saying ”More gas, trees are getting thicker” 🚗
Trees don't move 😂
@@colingordon2749 Well if you are to slow the are standard thick to you! You need to be fast that they apear thinner too your eye ...... If not! To slow! Best possible would be only a bluur.... But we are still unaugmented humans!
After Group B ended, Audi took their Quattros to the USA and dominated Trans Am and IMSA. Briefly. The American teams whined too much and four wheel drive was banned. 😁😜
and pikes peak with Michele Mouton
Dont forget the Viper in Europe too.
Plenty of banning to go around :)
@@ToreDL87 so did the Sports Car Club of America, banning the Viper.
@@ToreDL87 Wasnt the Viper mainly banned becouse they couldnt figure out the handling and the car was way too dangerous? Might be another car im thinking of so please correct me if im wrong there :P
I will never forget FIA banning the Mazda Rotary engine for 24hr of Le Mans. They could not hold that thing down for the love of them :D they had to ban it.
Now this is what Freedom really looks like! 🤣
Walter Röhrl quotes:
“When accelerating, the tears of emotion must flow horizontally towards the ear.”
“I won’t wear a helmet for anything over 8 minutes on the Nordschleife!”
“Good drivers have fly remains on their side windows.”
“If the car is loud enough, they (the wild animals) will stay in the forest.”
"When you get to my age, riding in the dark isn't that much fun anymore, because you can't see anything at night. I've often thought recently that I could actually still ride in the World Championship, because they only ride during the day, those wimps!"
"It (the acceleration of the Audi S1) is like someone crashing into the back of you at thirty miles an hour at a red light."
Big Roehrl fan from Austria here - know and like them all :D
PS: i once overtook and outpaced Walter when he was driving in the oldest Porsche through the Alps in Tyrol and i met him with my quite tuned "4WD Dakar-Merc Sprinter" - that was a fun race and also Walter had his fun and sideways moments, not just me in the Bus who perfectly knew the track cause i was working there since 2 months already :))
A friend had a short interview with him once in his Status. It was along the lines of "Only Rally embodies real driving and racing. The rest is just memorizing tracks and patterns."
I thought long about that and .... yeah, I can relate. :D
Growing up in a Belgian Rally village I totally get it.
Hearing the roar of a 500 HP beast making it's way up through the forest and than feeling the vibration of the car and screaming of the 9.000 RPM spinning engine ..... You feel it in your heart. Your hair stands up. Then the sound goes away, dimmes down, and 1 minut later it all starts again when the next car is approaching.
Now up to 40 years later I'm approaching my fifthies, but I still go to Belgian Rally-events about 2 to 4 times a year.
And if an Audi S1, a Peugeot 205 T16 or an Manta B floats by on a demonstration run of what has once been ....... hell yeah those hairs stand up once more. And they do every time again I go and see a spectacle.
But yes. Safety has improved immencly. And that's a REAL good thing.
Hopefully Thierry will finally won WRC this year
i'm from Portugal and grew up hearing the stories of group B, altough i never got the chance to see it everytime one of those cars rolls by in a rally event/hillclimb everyone goes crazy to this day. wish they could bring it back with more people watching the tracks for safety reasons
I’m not sure… Some safety issues has helped, but a lot has fucked things up..
Unfortunately it all comes down to the white collars have no idea but control what the blue collars do….
One story from the Group B era is that when Michele Mouton came to a service area after a stage the mechanics found a finger in one of the air intakes of her car. Thats how close people were. It was considered a sport in itself to touch the cars back then when rules and regulations were out the window. I saw these monster cars live myself in Sweden and Finland back in 1984-1985. One thing my brain will never forget ❤❤
Yup... those were the eighties, and we loved it...
Michele Mouton French lady rally driver is really special. There is a great documentary on her. Winning Pikes Peak was a cherry on the cake
Rally cars … Truly some of the very best drivers in the world
There is nothing above Rally
The Battle between Audi and Lancia was epic!
The battle between mechanic geniouses and pathetic cheaters. indeed. a sad story, the cheaters won and they got celebrated for that unsportsmanship.
@@amiigaf4476then Peugeot entered the game and settle the discussion
@@amiigaf4476found the guy who only watched the grand tour… educate yourself first please, read some books. I.e. the actual Delta S4 book with accounts from ex engineers and test drivers.
@rustico0 @rustico0 oh sure! Your logic is flawless ya daft twat. "Lancia is said do have done shit things but luckily lancia wrote a book prooving that wrong"
Do you have a second braincell your first one can connect to?
@@rustico0 Amico, creo que el compañero @amiigaf4476 se refería a la disputa entre el Lancia 037 y el Audi Quattro A1 & A2, por el campeonato de constructores de 1983.
El Delta S4 sólo participó a finales de 1985 y en 1986. Y no ganó ningún título mundial. No entiendo tu comentario 🤔
REMEMBER: Group B ~ 1982-1986 Champions;
1982 - Walter Röhrl (Opel Ascona 400) Champion Team: AUDI
1983 - Hannu Mikkola (Audi Quattro A2) Champion Team: LANCIA
At that time, there was a challenge among the crowd attending the races. It involved touching the cars as they went by... Drivers and mechanics would often find bits of fingers on the wheels...They sure knew how to have fun back then!!!😂😂
Group B was pure insanity, and those cars were absolutely legendary. Putting 500bhp in a Peugeot 205 or a Metro was bonkers, and I absolutely idolized those cars back in the day. Still do, truth be told. The Metro VR6 was a pure beast.
The information is not entirely true. Group B was limited by a restrictor to 330 kW. Of course, the leading teams were apparently committing fraud. MG with its Metro 6R4 without a turbo, on the other hand, was not able to achieve this engine power. The car benefited from the lighter weight, however the MG Metro 6R4 could not compete against the Lancias, Peugeots, Audis or Fords and did not finish on the podium in a single WRC race.
You should check about Michelle Mouton , she an absolute legend to automobile racing. She finally was nominated Director of WRC by the FIA for handling race safety.
She was also Audi team chief during the later parts of group B.
The photo of the Lancia 037 who jump on the road with the crowd on the bothe sides, it´s call Fafe Lameirinha located in Portugal in the 80´s. Man, i miss those days, a lot.
About the spectators: It was the 80's. We all did it. For our local Acropolis Rally, the organizer (ELPA) would bring earhmoving equipment in the logging mountain roads to make them more difficult. We would go with bandanas over our noses and sunglasses due to extreme dust raised by the cars. Also, the stages are run in public roads, meaning you are free to go and spectate as another famous youtuber said.
My first car was a Peugeot 205 GTI🤘 It was a nice GoKart!😂 120PS to 820kg
"spectator could die in 3 seconds" brother try 3 spectators a second if things go wrong at those really crowded spots.😂
In Portugal you could hear the pilots screaming about the crazy people. They didn’t go slower but they were always cursing and mostly they did not see the road.
If Finns were the craziests drivers the portuguese were the craziest spectators. Born in the north of Portugal, as a teenager in the 80ths, the rally was the greatest free event, we loved it. Rhol, vatanen, marku allen, moton, mikkula, toyvonen, some of the best ever drivers with that group B crazy machines❤
I highly recommend Climb Dance, a short film about Ari Vatanen driving the Peugeot 405 T16 up Pikes Peak before it was all tarmac. Beautifully shot, with great music. It was meant as a display of skill, not a race.
The Dakar is also amazing, especially the early days. Dutch truck manufacturer DAF used to run 1000hp twin triple-turbo diesel engines. They would do 200 km/h (130 mph) on flat sand. There's a famous video of the X1 overtaking the Dakar spec Peugeot 405 T16, also driven by Vatanen. Unfortunately, the sister truck crashed and killed the navigator, Kees van Loevezijn, and severely injuring driver Theo van de Rijt and mechanic Chris Ross (a Scot).
The truck class was essentially like Group B rally, almost no rules. The trucks were banned after the crash. DAF pulled out of racing immediately and sold the team to lead driver Jan de Rooij. He became a fixture in the Dakar world, as did his son Gerard. There are some video's explaining it in more detail, although it is pretty grim, for obvious reasons.
Dakar when the trucks were faster than cars was madness xD
@@pouf6463 Indeed. It was insanity. Even crazier is the fact that nobody in the DAF team thought about reinforcing the factory seat rails.
Kees van Loevezijn was thrown from the cab, still strapped to his seat. It was torn off the rails. The other two seats came off as well, but stayed in the cab.
Walter Röhrl dominated Group B with his Audi for a while.. there is an EPIC video with closeups in different angles of him, while driving-simply insane clip, highly recommend watching that!
Yes, great video
He drove for Opel and Lancia too.
The only thing that dominated rallye was lancia and nothing else.
@@kritikos889Still, the best Group B car is the Pug 205T16.
Well let’s be real Röhrl only won few events with Audi, but he never really dominated as the other cars were getting closer in development and eventually ahead. The only drivers who dominated with the Audi were Hannu Mikkola, especially in ’83, and Stig Blomqvist in 1984. Michèle Mouton was solid too but in the real Group B years she was no match at all.
Peugeot and Ari Vatanen/Timo Salonen took over in ’84. Then there was Mr Henri Toivonen who was in a class of his own in late ’85 and early ’86 :)
Ya lo dijo Ayrton Senna., los pilotos del Rally están locos .....pero el público mucho más!!!!.....GO!!!!.. RALLY!!!!!... GO!!!!! ....from argentina
I always say:" If you would ever need a getaway driver, you want to call one of these." There are a lot of compilations of Rally Racing. "This is Rally-Pure Sound" from MrM is 100% worth a watch. There is actually a series of compilations on his channel. You might want to consider reacting to one of these.
"f*ck this watch!" Was so perfectly in place, Instant Subscribe 😁
Since the race is on a public road, every visitor is responsible for their own safety. When I visited those races back in my youth I tended to be very close to the road but with a sturdy tree next to me. You're perfectly safe behind a good old oak tree. If a car crashes into it, it won't even budge a fraction of an inch.
Nothing better than being at a ralley stage, it truly is wild.
Michèle Mouton, la meilleure pilote et elle est française.
Il faut avoir de sacré reflexe pour être pilote de WRC et surtout une confiance aveugle à son copilote.
Sébastien Loeb est le meilleur pilote de WRC (9 championnats) et un record à Pike Spike et le deuxième est Sébastien Ogier, encore un français (8 championnats).
Le constructeur qui a remporté le plus de championnat est Lancia avec 10 championnats et en deuxième, c'est Citroën avec 8 championnats.
She was good. So are the two Sébastiens, well they were much complete to be honest than her, but there’s no doubt Finnish drivers dominated Group B. Just look at the Group B’s final year’s standings and other years as well. You only/mostly see Finns in Top 3-5 places. I don’t see too many French there at the top. You only had tarmac specialist then while Finns, and Swedes too, could drive on any surface. Nowadays it’s a completely different thing. You guys, in the southern Europe, have learned to drive on gravel.
@@max27stonernumbers don't lie. Sébastien Loeb won 9 titles with no interruption. Other drivers were also very good, but Sébastien Loeb. He also beat Rhys Millen record in pike's peak by a full minute
@@CaptainDangeax they don’t lie indeed, but mister, I was talking about Group B as this video is about that.
But yes, Finns are tooking back it from the French. We have seven different WRC champions, eight if you count Markku Alén’s FIA Cup win. No other country is even close and the only nation that is the closest to Finland’s tally is France with three. Others have two or one champion(s).
Kalle Rovanperä has made it clear, and will be making it clear once again in 2025, that where the title belongs. Look at 2022 and 2023. Dominance. Finland will take it back from France what belong to us sooner or later; the most WRC championships by nationality. At the moment, in 2024, we are three titles behind in overall titles. But we have 48 medals and French only 31. No other nation has even 15. It’s obviously 1v1.
French might have two Sébastiens, but we have Kalle now and we dominated Group B, period. Also Mäkinen and Kankkunen both with four titles. I know it’s not eight or nine but look; titles and different eras can’t really be compared.
Yes, I’m patriotic. How I cannot be? I’m so proud of Finland’s achievements. In Kalle We Trust.
@@max27stoner patriotic does not prevent being facts right. Numbers don't lie. Best pilot ever Sébastien Loeb. Deal with it
The crowd wanted to live the moment back then 😂 no smartphone
The guy at 8:30 where the pully saying "pan & vin" literally bread & wine in my dialect
When you consider the millions that watch group b. The 26,346 spectator deaths makes it statistically very safe.
LMAO
A total of 31 spectators were injured and 3 died. So it's actually pretty safe. At a race for prototypes and Gran Turismos in Le Mans in 1955, 55 spectators died in a single race.
Big difference from 1955 to 1985.
As Norwegian WRC Champion Petter Solberg would tell you, "It's not the fart that kills you, it's the smell"...
As a Dane I appreciate that joke 😂
8:26 dude has "wine" written on his hoodie. So that checks out.
Imagine you're a youngster in the 70s or 80s. No cellphones, no online games. Young people would spend a lot of their time incredibly bored, trying to find out something fun to do. A slightly older guy comes home to your village. He's been at the rallye, and he actually managed to TOUCH one of the rally cars as it flew by in 120 MPH. He's instantly the hero of the village, the toughest guy in the bunch. The first time you go to a rally, of course you try to touch the cars as they fly by, because you also want to be the hero of your village!
Lol... "No cellphones, no online games. Young people would spend a lot of their time incredibly bored..." It is amazing how far society has fallen for someone to come out with a statement like this. For the records, it is the opposite. We used to bounce out of bed and be running out of the house because of all the exciting things we had planned for the day. Building forts, swimming, jumping bikes,always something. Sadly a lot of people have forgotten how sharp the unbridled imagination of a child can be. The 70's and the 80's where the most exciting times there had been for being a child.
@@mortlaursen6752 True. The only times was bored was when my parents forced me to stay inside at home. :D
@mortlaursen6752 so true, me and my friends we were always in the streets in my city. We only came home when mothers start to shout at windows for us to dinner. Now it’s not possible to do that for safety reasons. We did not have much but we used the imagination.
Rally fans are almost as nutty as the drivers/co-pilots. Such a great community.
''We are going to watch rally today, do you have the condolence cards ready? And look kids, we are going to stand here in the corner so that they don't touch us or completely...have fun''
There's some great TH-cam channels explaining the history on how and why the group B was created and how it ended. Can recommend the "Vilebrequin" video one, but, that's a french channel 😅
When i was young boy i went to see that Group B few times. Standing on the road with others.
That video of the guy with the wine is a modern video, thank god rally is still mad as ever, best motorsport I’ve ever watched thank god my town turns into a stage once a year
The Stratos is insane and borderline undrivable to regular people.
There's a reason it has a wrap around windscreen so you can watch sideways 😂
There is a lot of rally video that you can react uncle D!
Love your reactions and love rally! my uncle tells me a lot of stories about rally in the 80's. Hug from Italia ❤
I loved gruppe B bud the people on the track destroi every thing!
Well, think about those shots without those crowds? There were no "people on the track" when Henri and Sergio went off!
I remember, when I was kid, we went with my parents to a monte carlo wrc group B race, it was amazing...
La chaine française Vilebrequin avait fait une vidéo sur l'histoire du groupe B. La chaine qui a cessé ses activités suite au "divorce professionnel" entre les deux animateurs, mais qui était hilarante, notamment les vidéos sur des questions improbables du genre "peut-on rouler sans huile dans le moteur ?" ou "Peut-on mettre autre chose que de l'air dans les pneus (comme du béton) ?" ou "à la place de l'essence, si on mettait de la vodka ?" et ils essayaient IRL ^^
WRC has the best drivers and regularly beat drivers from other systems in the Race of Champions.
Sebastian Loeb is one of the greatest.
One further thing to realize: tracks are different each year. So they cannot practice them. Iirc they get one 'shakedown' for each segment, which are like 30+ over 3 days. All they really have is the 'prayerbook' their co-pilot reads from which has rough orientation like long 3 left into 5 right rocks inside.
So they are flying down roads they don't know as fast as they can through snow in Sweden, gravel in Finnland, tarmac in Corica, sand in Australia and mud in Scotland.
One car which can get like 20 mins of repairs every 3 or 4 segments.
The drivers will drive them till they fall apart.
Being that close on the track is a type of adrenaline and rush, which is something else 😂
Portugal was the country in which the spectators just lined the roads inches from the cars, but not just in the group b days, there is in car footage from Colin mcrea where it was just the same!
One of the most driver in group B was Michelle Mouton who drive on an historical vehicule.
The Audi S1 and she win a lot of time!
The vehicule in the air of the trailer is Michelle Mouton...a women who have win a lot of time!
21:30 thats Monte Carlo this year, first race of the season, Group B stage times were surpassed 1990 by group A cars. Todays WRC 1 car has more than 500 hps and its build like group B car, space frame and composite panels as body.
When I was a kid , a rally was led just in front of my house door. The communication pc was in my front yard. I was lucky enough to see all these incredible cars. That was a hell of a good time.
"I see death all over this picture" - welcome to the madness that Group B was, sir, thanks for having you on.
PS: I'm born in Portugal in 1984, this was before my time, but in retrospect I remember adults talking about it when I was growing up. It was hush-hush, but after a few years and investigation, I got it.
In retrospect, the spirit of "rally" where the pilot and co-pilot need to master the knowledge of the road the driving on the road with cars close to relatable and have all the knowledge and nimbleness helping them along is a dream. F1, known circuit everyone knows? I sleep. F1, one mistake causes crashes on dozens of vehicles, I sleep more. Nascar? I sleep into a coma, get me back to horse-riding in the 1800s.
Also, 4WD handling on highly skilled drivers on multiple surfaces is a joy to watch as watching skill and readiness. Just as long you keep stuff as safe as possible, probably (baseline) keeping power down.
Why wouldn't the fan at 8:10 not be drinking? He isn't driving. ;-)
LMAO good point
Well. He might end up in the driver seat anyway
8:27 The rule is "don't drink if you're driving" and i don't see him driving! He's being responsible imo😁😆
The footage of people on the road or track is in northern Portugal back in the 80´s. I was there but in a safety spot. Back then many spectators got injured and some had died in some bad accidents.
I'm sure you saved some lives in this video. You go man! Tell them spectators!
I was a teen when I saw these cars live at 1000 Lakes. Henri was my hero, and what the time it was for a finnish kid we had Vatanen, Kankkunen,Alen,Mikkola,Salonen and Henri Toivonen. RIP Henri and Sergio and Attilio.
See colin group b arguing with the public, it's crazy and it all started in Portugal vs accident in Portugal.😂
I saw several dozens of rallies as a kid. Central, northern and southern Europe. These guys has a special box in the back of their cars. Just for their big balls.
Jeannot was a race car driver
He drove so goddamn fast
He often did win some checkered flags
And he never did come in last
Jeannot was a race car driver
He'd say "Les titres, je m'en fous"
With a lozenge sticker on his A442
He'd light 'em up just for fun
I wonder which "Jeannot" is being referred to? Jean-Pierre Jabouille, Jean-Pierre Jarier or Jean-Pierre Jaussaud, all of whom raced the Alpine A442.
@@jinxvrs Nope, the one I'm talking about here is more known for his crazy and carefree style in rallying and supertourism in addition to endurance racing. BTW, at the time, the A442 wasn't only named Alpine
He was Ken Block way before Ken Block, even with a FWD car.
@@chucku00 Jean Ragnotti maybe? He was a Renault man and yes, the A442 was properly an Alpine-Renault.
@@jinxvrs Yup, the one and only.
The most obvious and real difference is that in the US you have the right to sue anyone for anything. Hot coffee on your lap? Sue McD. In Europe, people are living without this bullshit. That's why this was and is still possible, we know the risks we are taking. The drivers in WRC were and are still one of the best you can find out there. Flying with 100-120mph on a narrow road through a forest or on a snow? Sheesh. But yeah, where you see a crash, we see excitement and adrenaline. :)
And that's because we have affordable health care for all. A big reason American's sue is the only way they can afford any medical bills is by suing. Their whole system is insane.
@speleokeir eh, not only. They sue cause they can for everything. That idiot that poured hot coffee in her lap from McDonald's sued them cause there was no sign saying the coffee is hot and got a payout. That's why we see on microwaves to jot put pets and children in there... It's not the medical issue only 😂😂😂
The McD story is spinned so much you actually buy that it's the old woman who's the crazy one. McD had the coffee so hot she got disfigured. They were breaking the law with how hot the coffee was. And she only asked them to pay the medical bill and the denied her. McD had it coming. And I'm saying this as a Danish dude who largely thinks that people need to be responsible for their own actions. But this philosophy also include companies.
@@tobimobiv1 Yeah, I know the coffee was over 105c. But a good coffee is still after being boiled. The issue is, there are too many stupid people ouut there, and that's why we see stickers like "don't put baby in microwave" type of shit
A lot of those shots with people on the road... mainly that jump... that's Portugal. Welcome to Fafe.
6:13 When you see that Audi sliding sideways on the asphalt inches away from the spectators, now, remember, that's a 500hp, AWD Audi sliding on the asphalt, that car, when that fan is holding his head, that car was on the absolute limit, 8k RPM, 110mph. This was madness.
The Baja 1000 in the 80s and 90s had crowds like that too. My dad was a co-driver and crew chief for Nissan in the early 90s and told us stories about people slapping the sides of the truck as they went flying by at an average speed of 60 -70 mph (not kilometers) on dirt. One wrong move and people could easily die. People can still get close to the track to this day, but most off road racing organizations have implemented a rule about people being 50 feet to 100 feet away from the track and some even employ people to patrol the sides of the track. Also NEVER EVER EVER set up to watch on the outside of a corner. Its a really good way to die. All it takes is one bad jump or a blown corner and people can get killed easily. It is not the fault of the organization or the racers for you to get hit by a race car in the middle of the desert. You would think that it would be common sense not to be right on the track.
Rally and Hillclimb are still the best sport to watch with a car. Simply spectacular!
that first scene of group b is in portugal totally crazy spectators
Was stationed in Italy in 82/83 and never saw a rally race in my life. And let me tell you, it was insane and Group B was the best!
And throughout the film you always see the same cars, but very rarely the most well-known and successful ones: Lancia Stratos, Lancia 037, Delta S4 and after the end of Group B the Lancia Delta Integrale which still holds the record for successes, a classic Northern European video :D
If your interested, I highly suggest that you look more into Sébastien Loeb, a French rally driver who literally crushed the competition during the 00’s and early 10’s
4:30 those people hunt for best picture
There is a video out there from Group B drivers that have a Pedal Cam installed.
You can really tell that they´re Athletes. Back then, no sterring assist either, so, yeah...
those group B cars, at least most of those 4wd cars had powersteering... but imagine when powersteering fail in 170kmh speed in forest
Best motor sport on 4 wheels.
Rally drivers are just built different and have absolute skills and balls of steel.
Henri toivonen, again finnish and absolutely one of the greatest drivers ever... he was leading the rally by MINUTES, which was a huge lead even that time... right before he started the last special stage, he was interviewed and he said he had high fever and even without fever, those cars were way too fast, so fast that your brains cannot keep up properly... then they were gone just like that, the worst way you could imagine... RIP Henri and Sergio!
He was also told to lift the foot.
He chose NOT to.
Let's not forget that.
Except the cage in his car was made of cardboard. He's gone now and it's sad
@@CaptainDangeax no, it was aluminium, you can.see the rollcages. However, there is rumors that at some point lancia used cardboard rollcages to reduce weight.... lol
Ahhh group B, I spent many cold days and nights in the UK marshaling these crazy cars in forests . So pleased I was around to witness these monsters. 😎
@4:40 Let me put it humorously!
That's one reason why we "simply" don't jaywalk.
We stare danger in the face and have fun doing it! 🤣😂😇
I remember in portugal we don't work , not even go to school just to see the rally but then...no group B , no rally 🍻
You can say goodbye if you stumble there😂.
lol yes
I see death all over. :-) Nice one
Michelle Mouton was a very special driver, absolutely fearless and almost won the world championship. 👍👍
Glad you liked it. Group B was amazing. They actually still drive these cars in select events, by the way.
The spectators used to try to touch the cars as they went past. Sometimes they would end the race with an extra finger that it tore off.
It was a race show where the spectators could die but it was FREE ! lol
Yes crazy Time! I am so pround of a legend pilot: Michèle Mouton. A great pilot and and the only woman who drived this Monsters cars : Audi in yellow and black, nickname the killer bees!
Hannu Mikkola said after the average speed record on the stage 'ouninpohja' that 'I'm not sure if the tyres were ever attached to the road surface'. I think the average speed on that stretch was over 180 km/h. Audi quattro.
New main category is Rally1 with hybrid engines (Ford Puma, Toyota GR Yaris, Hyundai i20) and there are wrc support categories like Rally2 and Rally3 (no hybrid)
I was a Marshall for the Ulster Automobile Club at the height of Group B, and saw amazing developments. Fords timing to get into Group B was catastrophic, their RS 200 was, in my opinion, the best looking Group B car, and I saw the aftermath of a fatal collision on the Ulster Rally involving a white RS 200. The child hit was picked up by a following helicopter, and the driver rejoined the race with a massive bloodstain down the off-side front wing of the car, the show must go on ......
Growing up i considered group B rally drivers Gods... I still do. They are still the golden standart when it comes to drivers IMO!
“WRC is for boys, Group B was for men”, Juha Kankkunen
Tell that to Michelle Mouton
And Nascar is for chickens.
And that Henry Toivonen in the end who died... He was a "rock star' of rally... Fastest ever...
There is TH-cam vids about him 👍 reaction??
Rally drivers drive like theres a respawn spoint
This is what gave rally fans their legendary reputation
This guy got educated!
Group B best rally era, Michèle Mouton was in the Quattro at this thime 😎Whatever happens, the queen brand of Rally with 10 constructors' titles and 11 world champion titles is Lancia with the Stratos, 037, the S4 and Delta, they withdrew in 1992 ''leaving room for the rookies'' they said. The Deltas that were still present in 1992 were engaged in private teams, which remained in competition until 1993.
After I watched Group B when i was younger, no other racing series in the world is even close in terms of drama craziness and excitement!
the entertainment to die for....
Not to mention the 6R4. Same engine that powered the Jag XJ220 which was briefly the fastest production car in the world.
I see death all over this picture 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Check out Walter Röhrl's Pike Peak Record run!! Enjoy :)
8:40 If you read the back of these sweatshirts ... it clearly says "pain & vin" [french] = BREAD & WINE
In Europe people are not afraid of getting hurt because they have universal healthcare and they are not afraid of becoming poor because of hospital bills
look at the same crazyness in Africa/Asia/SAmerica/Russia and they don't have healthcare at all, it's only the mix of fast cars and young people
hahahah good point
yeah, we are alredy poor 😂
@@araquiel3087who is we? Whatchu mean
@@commandbrawler9348 we -> european
i was a teenager at the time, Rally became the coolest motorsport on the planet by a mile for the next few years. sad the way it ended.