The Absolute INSANITY of Group B Rally - REACTION
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"Sign this paper right here" ... Sir, this was Europe! No liability for bystanders on public roads.
"You got hit by a car? Go watch it somewhere else!"
After Group B ended, Audi took their Quattros to the USA and dominated Trans Am and IMSA. Briefly. The American teams whined too much and four wheel drive was banned. 😁😜
and pikes peak with Michele Mouton
Dont forget the Viper in Europe too.
Plenty of banning to go around :)
@@ToreDL87 so did the Sports Car Club of America, banning the Viper.
In Finland we have saying ”More gas, trees are getting thicker” 🚗
Trees don't move 😂
Growing up in a Belgian Rally village I totally get it.
Hearing the roar of a 500 HP beast making it's way up through the forest and than feeling the vibration of the car and screaming of the 9.000 RPM spinning engine ..... You feel it in your heart. Your hair stands up. Then the sound goes away, dimmes down, and 1 minut later it all starts again when the next car is approaching.
Now up to 40 years later I'm approaching my fifthies, but I still go to Belgian Rally-events about 2 to 4 times a year.
And if an Audi S1, a Peugeot 205 T16 or an Manta B floats by on a demonstration run of what has once been ....... hell yeah those hairs stand up once more. And they do every time again I go and see a spectacle.
But yes. Safety has improved immencly. And that's a REAL good thing.
Hopefully Thierry will finally won WRC this year
Yup... those were the eighties, and we loved it...
About the spectators: It was the 80's. We all did it. For our local Acropolis Rally, the organizer (ELPA) would bring earhmoving equipment in the logging mountain roads to make them more difficult. We would go with bandanas over our noses and sunglasses due to extreme dust raised by the cars. Also, the stages are run in public roads, meaning you are free to go and spectate as another famous youtuber said.
Imagine you're a youngster in the 70s or 80s. No cellphones, no online games. Young people would spend a lot of their time incredibly bored, trying to find out something fun to do. A slightly older guy comes home to your village. He's been at the rallye, and he actually managed to TOUCH one of the rally cars as it flew by in 120 MPH. He's instantly the hero of the village, the toughest guy in the bunch. The first time you go to a rally, of course you try to touch the cars as they fly by, because you also want to be the hero of your village!
You should check about Michelle Mouton , she an absolute legend to automobile racing. She finally was nominated Director of WRC by the FIA for handling race safety.
She was also Audi team chief during the later parts of group B.
Walter Röhrl dominated Group B with his Audi for a while.. there is an EPIC video with closeups in different angles of him, while driving-simply insane clip, highly recommend watching that!
Yes, great video
He drove for Opel and Lancia too.
The only thing that dominated rallye was lancia and nothing else.
@@kritikos889Still, the best Group B car is the Pug 205T16.
Well let’s be real Röhrl only won few events with Audi, but he never really dominated as the other cars were getting closer in development and eventually ahead. The only drivers who dominated with the Audi were Hannu Mikkola, especially in ’83, and Stig Blomqvist in 1984. Michèle Mouton was solid too but in the real Group B years she was no match at all.
Peugeot and Ari Vatanen/Timo Salonen took over in ’84. Then there was Mr Henri Toivonen who was in a class of his own in late ’85 and early ’86 :)
Walter Röhrl quotes:
“When accelerating, the tears of emotion must flow horizontally towards the ear.”
“I won’t wear a helmet for anything over 8 minutes on the Nordschleife!”
“Good drivers have fly remains on their side windows.”
“If the car is loud enough, they (the wild animals) will stay in the forest.”
"When you get to my age, riding in the dark isn't that much fun anymore, because you can't see anything at night. I've often thought recently that I could actually still ride in the World Championship, because they only ride during the day, those wimps!"
"It (the acceleration of the Audi S1) is like someone crashing into the back of you at thirty miles an hour at a red light."
Big Roehrl fan from Austria here - know and like them all :D
PS: i once overtook and outpaced Walter when he was driving in the oldest Porsche through the Alps in Tyrol and i met him with my quite tuned "4WD Dakar-Merc Sprinter" - that was a fun race and also Walter had his fun and sideways moments, not just me in the Bus who perfectly knew the track cause i was working there since 2 months already :))
At that time, there was a challenge among the crowd attending the races. It involved touching the cars as they went by... Drivers and mechanics would often find bits of fingers on the wheels...They sure knew how to have fun back then!!!😂😂
The Battle between Audi and Lancia was epic!
The battle between mechanic geniouses and pathetic cheaters. indeed. a sad story, the cheaters won and they got celebrated for that unsportsmanship.
@@amiigaf4476then Peugeot entered the game and settle the discussion
These cars are highly modified versions of classic road cars such as Toyota, Peugeot, Ford, Skoda, Citroen, Hyundai, Mitsubishi, etc. They are equipped with a roll cage and are one of the safest cars on the planet. They have racing seats and a five-point seat belt. Sometimes up to seven-point. Despite this fact, serious accidents can occur. Craig Breen died in 2023 during tests for Rally Croatia. However, such serious accidents are exceptional. It just might happen. They are equipped with powerful engines and those from the WRC1 class even with a hybrid drive, which gives them more energy when accelerating. WRC1 cars (in this year it is Toyota Yaris WRC, Ford Puma WRC and Hyundai i20 WRC) each have over 500 horsepower in the sum of the outputs of both engines.
All Rally1 cars are fitted with 100kW plug-in hybrid units that produce over 500 horsepower when combined with the 1.6 litre internal combustion engine. The crews deploy the additional electrical energy through an automatic system dictated by pre-programmed engine maps. Unlike Rally1, Rally2 lacks an electric motor and uses only a 1.6-liter turbocharged engine.
Rally is time trial. They race on closed public roads in all conditions, that is also in the rain, then in the heat, winter, at night, in the fog. As for surfaces, all imaginable surfaces such as asphalt, gravel, mud, snow and ice. During the Kenya Safari Rally, they drive through the savanna, where sometimes there is more sand on the road than the road itself. We must not forget the encounters with wild animals, I remember shots where giraffes ran across the track in Kenya, or moose in Finland.
Rally Finland is famous for its jumps and for being the fastest rally on the calendar. That is, when it comes to average speed. In 2016, Kris Meeke with his Citroen DS3 WRC had an average speed of 126.62 km/h for the entire rally. That's the most according to the table I found. However, this is only the average speed, not the maximum speed. Rally cars are limited to 200 km/h.
Two people sit in each car - a driver and a co-driver. The driver has a clear task, the co-driver reads the pacenotes of the individual stages. He will write them at the moment when all the crews have the opportunity to drive each stage in a civilian car before the start of the rally itself and write down everything they need. During the race, the co-driver constantly informs the driver about the following turns, jumps, distances, but also about whether he can "cut" the turn or whether he should drive through it in the middle of the road. Although it may not seem like it, the co-driver is at least as important a person as the driver. Thanks to co-driver, the driver knows what awaits him around the next bend and can drive partially blind, he does not have to wait until he sees it himself. For example, with jumps, mainly in Finland, thanks to notes from the co-driver, the driver learns which corner follows immediately after the jump and turns the car in that direction already during the run-up to the jump. Without it, he would break down very often.
As an example of such pacenotes I give this here: 30, 4 left, 50 big jump to 5 right cut, crest, 80 to herpin left, 100, unseen square right, finish, 60 to stop.
30, 60 atc means the distance on a straight line in meters. The numbers before the turns indicate their sharpness. 6 can be driven at full throttle, 1 is the sharpest right after herpin right/left.
Each surface has its advantages and disadvantages. The snow in Sweden has the advantage that it also creates barriers against which the car can lean and thus prevent a major accident. However, if he drives into it quickly, he can get bogged down and either just waste time, or worse, have to quit. Gravel and dirt have the advantage that you can drift well on them, but compared to snow and ice, the car holds harder. This is because special narrow tires with studs are used for snow, which paradoxically give the best grip on the snow and the car is the best to control. But these nails are destroyed on roads without snow and ice. When it's wet on gravel, it's muddy, so it slows down. or when it is quite dry, but there is really a lot of it, including sand. Check out some Safari rally videos and you'll see what I mean in some footage. On the tarmac, there the car holds good, has good grip, but when it is wet, it slides. And as we verified during the Rally Central Europe, when the tarmac is wet and there are also fallen leaves on it, it's a killer combination. Check Esapekka Lappi crash on 2023 Central European Rally.
The cost of a Rally1 car is close to €1 million, while Rally2 cars are capped at approximately €200,000. Of course, the weaker the car, the cheaper it is. A Peugeot 208 Rally4 can cost much less, now in a quick search I found one already ready for racing for 73,200 euros. So the prices vary a lot. On the other hand, the Audi Quattro S1, the legendary Group B car, costs around €2 - 2.5 million.
According to the order of the individual rallies during the year, both last year and this year they are Monte-Carlo (Monaco, but not like F1 in the city, it is raced in the mountains), Sweden, Mexico, Croatia, Portugal, Sardinia (Italy), Kenya, Estonia, Finland, Greece, Chile, Central Europe (Czech Republic, Germany, Austria) and finally Japan.
The guy at 8:30 where the pully saying "pan & vin" literally bread & wine in my dialect
"f*ck this watch!" Was so perfectly in place, Instant Subscribe 😁
One story from the Group B era is that when Michele Mouton came to a service area after a stage the mechanics found a finger in one of the air intakes of her car. Thats how close people were. It was considered a sport in itself to touch the cars back then when rules and regulations were out the window. I saw these monster cars live myself in Sweden and Finland back in 1984-1985. One thing my brain will never forget ❤❤
I highly recommend Climb Dance, a short film about Ari Vatanen driving the Peugeot 405 T16 up Pikes Peak before it was all tarmac. Beautifully shot, with great music. It was meant as a display of skill, not a race.
The Dakar is also amazing, especially the early days. Dutch truck manufacturer DAF used to run 1000hp twin triple-turbo diesel engines. They would do 200 km/h (130 mph) on flat sand. There's a famous video of the X1 overtaking the Dakar spec Peugeot 405 T16, also driven by Vatanen. Unfortunately, the sister truck crashed and killed the navigator, Kees van Loevezijn, and severely injuring driver Theo van de Rijt and mechanic Chris Ross (a Scot).
The truck class was essentially like Group B rally, almost no rules. The trucks were banned after the crash. DAF pulled out of racing immediately and sold the team to lead driver Jan de Rooij. He became a fixture in the Dakar world, as did his son Gerard. There are some video's explaining it in more detail, although it is pretty grim, for obvious reasons.
Dakar when the trucks were faster than cars was madness xD
@@pouf6463 Indeed. It was insanity. Even crazier is the fact that nobody in the DAF team thought about reinforcing the factory seat rails.
Kees van Loevezijn was thrown from the cab, still strapped to his seat. It was torn off the rails. The other two seats came off as well, but stayed in the cab.
A total of 31 spectators were injured and 3 died. So it's actually pretty safe. At a race for prototypes and Gran Turismos in Le Mans in 1955, 55 spectators died in a single race.
Michèle Mouton, la meilleure pilote et elle est française.
Il faut avoir de sacré reflexe pour être pilote de WRC et surtout une confiance aveugle à son copilote.
Sébastien Loeb est le meilleur pilote de WRC (9 championnats) et un record à Pike Spike et le deuxième est Sébastien Ogier, encore un français (8 championnats).
Le constructeur qui a remporté le plus de championnat est Lancia avec 10 championnats et en deuxième, c'est Citroën avec 8 championnats.
She was good. So are the two Sébastiens, well they were much complete to be honest than her, but there’s no doubt Finnish drivers dominated Group B. Just look at the Group B’s final year’s standings and other years as well. You only/mostly see Finns in Top 3-5 places. I don’t see too many French there at the top. You only had tarmac specialist then while Finns, and Swedes too, could drive on any surface. Nowadays it’s a completely different thing. You guys, in the southern Europe, have learned to drive on gravel.
@@max27stonernumbers don't lie. Sébastien Loeb won 9 titles with no interruption. Other drivers were also very good, but Sébastien Loeb. He also beat Rhys Millen record in pike's peak by a full minute
@@CaptainDangeax they don’t lie indeed, but mister, I was talking about Group B as this video is about that.
But yes, Finns are tooking back it from the French. We have seven different WRC champions, eight if you count Markku Alén’s FIA Cup win. No other country is even close and the only nation that is the closest to Finland’s tally is France with three. Others have two or one champion(s).
Kalle Rovanperä has made it clear, and will be making it clear once again in 2025, that where the title belongs. Look at 2022 and 2023. Dominance. Finland will take it back from France what belong to us sooner or later; the most WRC championships by nationality. At the moment, in 2024, we are three titles behind in overall titles. But we have 48 medals and French only 31. No other nation has even 15. It’s obviously 1v1.
French might have two Sébastiens, but we have Kalle now and we dominated Group B, period. Also Mäkinen and Kankkunen both with four titles. I know it’s not eight or nine but look; titles and different eras can’t really be compared.
Yes, I’m patriotic. How I cannot be? I’m so proud of Finland’s achievements. In Kalle We Trust.
@@max27stoner patriotic does not prevent being facts right. Numbers don't lie. Best pilot ever Sébastien Loeb. Deal with it
I was a teen when I saw these cars live at 1000 Lakes. Henri was my hero, and what the time it was for a finnish kid we had Vatanen, Kankkunen,Alen,Mikkola,Salonen and Henri Toivonen. RIP Henri and Sergio and Attilio.
There's some great TH-cam channels explaining the history on how and why the group B was created and how it ended. Can recommend the "Vilebrequin" video one, but, that's a french channel 😅
''We are going to watch rally today, do you have the condolence cards ready? And look kids, we are going to stand here in the corner so that they don't touch us or completely...have fun''
Ya lo dijo Ayrton Senna., los pilotos del Rally están locos .....pero el público mucho más!!!!.....GO!!!!.. RALLY!!!!!... GO!!!!! ....from argentina
I always say:" If you would ever need a getaway driver, you want to call one of these." There are a lot of compilations of Rally Racing. "This is Rally-Pure Sound" from MrM is 100% worth a watch. There is actually a series of compilations on his channel. You might want to consider reacting to one of these.
There is a lot of rally video that you can react uncle D!
Love your reactions and love rally! my uncle tells me a lot of stories about rally in the 80's. Hug from Italia ❤
Jeannot was a race car driver
He drove so goddamn fast
He often did win some checkered flags
And he never did come in last
Jeannot was a race car driver
He'd say "Les titres, je m'en fous"
With a lozenge sticker on his A442
He'd light 'em up just for fun
I wonder which "Jeannot" is being referred to? Jean-Pierre Jabouille, Jean-Pierre Jarier or Jean-Pierre Jaussaud, all of whom raced the Alpine A442.
@@jinxvrs Nope, the one I'm talking about here is more known for his crazy and carefree style in rallying and supertourism in addition to endurance racing. BTW, at the time, the A442 wasn't only named Alpine
He was Ken Block way before Ken Block, even with a FWD car.
@@chucku00 Jean Ragnotti maybe? He was a Renault man and yes, the A442 was properly an Alpine-Renault.
@@jinxvrs Yup, the one and only.
The crowd wanted to live the moment back then 😂 no smartphone
8:26 dude has "wine" written on his hoodie. So that checks out.
If your interested, I highly suggest that you look more into Sébastien Loeb, a French rally driver who literally crushed the competition during the 00’s and early 10’s
The last interview Henri Toivonen gave, two stages before his fatal crash, is absolutely haunting. It's in Finnish but it went:
Henri: "This race is insane, we've now driven 4 hours of stages, as much as the whole Rally Finland, in a day. With these modern cars I just don't think you can drive a race like this."
Interviewer: "Too much for your body?"
Henri: "Too much for your body and and too much for my brains!"
Shuts door, waves, drives off.
I saw several dozens of rallies as a kid. Central, northern and southern Europe. These guys has a special box in the back of their cars. Just for their big balls.
Rally and Hillclimb are still the best sport to watch with a car. Simply spectacular!
I remember in portugal we don't work , not even go to school just to see the rally but then...no group B , no rally 🍻
In Europe people are not afraid of getting hurt because they have universal healthcare and they are not afraid of becoming poor because of hospital bills
look at the same crazyness in Africa/Asia/SAmerica/Russia and they don't have healthcare at all, it's only the mix of fast cars and young people
hahahah good point
yeah, we are alredy poor 😂
@@araquiel3087who is we? Whatchu mean
@@commandbrawler9348 we -> european
Check out Walter Röhrl's Pike Peak Record run!! Enjoy :)
8:27 The rule is "don't drink if you're driving" and i don't see him driving! He's being responsible imo😁😆
Why wouldn't the fan at 8:10 not be drinking? He isn't driving. ;-)
LMAO good point
Well. He might end up in the driver seat anyway
There is a video out there from Group B drivers that have a Pedal Cam installed.
You can really tell that they´re Athletes. Back then, no sterring assist either, so, yeah...
those group B cars, at least most of those 4wd cars had powersteering... but imagine when powersteering fail in 170kmh speed in forest
ah the "beautiful" era of group B in rallying!!
the blessed time of "no-limits" (some dared to dream of 3500hp engines and more)........
but also that of "no-safety" for too many spectators .....
some killjoys dared to say that 3-4 dead on the side of the road was not cool (for them) and that drivers could also die so they "killed" group B in rallying for such trivialities :)
21:30 thats Monte Carlo this year, first race of the season, Group B stage times were surpassed 1990 by group A cars. Todays WRC 1 car has more than 500 hps and its build like group B car, space frame and composite panels as body.
8:40 If you read the back of these sweatshirts ... it clearly says "pain & vin" [french] = BREAD & WINE
I guess I'm one of those weirdos because my personal motto for motorsport is:
The fun starts when death smiles at you. 🤣
The spectators used to try to touch the cars as they went past. Sometimes they would end the race with an extra finger that it tore off.
You got the best cars in the world!
Driven by the best pilots in the world!
On the thoughest roads in the world!
And they're racing against the clock!
Where do you want to be?
Obviouly, as close as you can get!
But it happened mainly because people had an unsurmountable confidence on the drivers skills.
They believed they could do anything on the realms of driving.
It was all about the drive and pursuit of perfection.
People wanted to be as close as possible of it.
Some people wanted to touch it.
What's losing a finger compared to touching perfection?
Henri toivonen, again finnish and absolutely one of the greatest drivers ever... he was leading the rally by MINUTES, which was a huge lead even that time... right before he started the last special stage, he was interviewed and he said he had high fever and even without fever, those cars were way too fast, so fast that your brains cannot keep up properly... then they were gone just like that, the worst way you could imagine... RIP Henri and Sergio!
He was also told to lift the foot.
He chose NOT to.
Let's not forget that.
Except the cage in his car was made of cardboard. He's gone now and it's sad
@@CaptainDangeax no, it was aluminium, you can.see the rollcages. However, there is rumors that at some point lancia used cardboard rollcages to reduce weight.... lol
Trees or Trophies - is and never will be anything else for a real Rally driver.
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Well, he started uploading videos again within the last year, and let's just say - It's insane 🤯
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4:30 - No, they're just the 80's portuguese rally fans. 😉
5:12 - Yep, that's basically what Balestre wanted: lots of entertainment and very little safety. Ultimately, it was the C.O.D. of the Group B.
7:45 - That's not a race track, it's a public road, and this clip in particular is not from the Group B era, it's much more recent. Yes, it's an Audi Quattro from that era but this was some sort of demo rally with old or classic rally cars.
18:33 - That's an understatement, Balestre couldn't care less about the safety of the drivers and the public, all he wanted was to keep making money at their expense.
DEFCON1 is safe.
Actually no.
DEFCON 1, exercise term: cocked pistol. Nuclear war is imminent or has already begun.
Yes, more security settings are in place. But I would feel safer at DEFCON 5. ;-)
In 1986 the cars were pushing 700bhp and the Lancia Group S prototype 800bhp, still weighing around a 1000kg and with terrible handling compared to modern cars in the rain, mud, on snow, sand, gravel, tarmac, whatever. Like straight line rockets between corners. You should checkout some other Group B videos to get a better feel if the speed, it was truly insane to see these vars in action, let alone drive them on/over the limits with potential death lurking every 100m.
Rally is driven on public roads not on a race track. And is a time race, so each car drive only against the clock.
And yes group b had several diferent accidents that helped ended that division and prove how unsafe those cars were. You can try the accident in portugal 1986 with the pilot joaquim santos but i wouldnt recommend .
Here's what two Finnish drivers had to say about the Group B cars and what followed: "Juha Kankkunen ja Markku Alén muistelevat hurjia rallin B-ryhmän aikoja (Teknavi 2019)". Here's a video about Ari Vatanen's thoughts about his accident: "Ari Vatanen - The Poet of Rallying". A video about Timo Salonen, who most likely was the funniest of the Finnish drivers: "Timo Salonen: The Unlikely Champion". Harri speaks about his late brother Henri Toivonen: "WRC Rally Heroes - Harri Toivonen pays tribute to his brother Henri". Friends speak about late Hannu Mikkola and a tribute to him: "In memory of Hannu Mikkola - WRC Legend" and "Hannu Mikkola Tribute | 1983 World Rally Champion".
While the danger is there, you might have focused too much to it. Here's a good fan documentary about Rallying: "Rally: The Great Adventure".
Haha, you got that the wrong way round, Def Con 10 would be incredibly secure, 5 means peaceful conditions, 1 means maximum readiness!
For the people that were on the road, well, thrill-seeking I guess.
I read the US has a few amusement parks with such dangerous rides, they cause several casualties per year ...and business is still booming.
OF COURSE you need to be drinking .. because "drunks fall down without hurting themselves".
You live once. When i live in this in about 25yrs old,just love it.
I've been a security official at rallies for a couple of years and one of the tasks was to make people not stand on dangerous spots. The reaction we got were almost death threats. So we concentrated on the safety of the competitors. Later we were so fed up with the comments of the public that we transferred to the time-control section and didn't have to deal with anything the public did.
13:37 oof luckily there is the road sign, otherwise it would be dangerous 😔
Even though not called Group B or Group S, both car standards still exist and still compete......at Pikes Peak.
If you want to set a new time record at the Pikes Peak hillclimb, then you build a modern Group B / S type car and modify it for the hill climb event.....many are one off vehicles that only compete at Pikes Peak.
Of course, you also need a well know Finnish, Norwegian or Swedish lunatic to drive the thing. lol
It was a race show where the spectators could die but it was FREE ! lol
That's why I liked it total controlled Madness Lol
4:34 Welcome to Portugal.
They weren't nuts, it was just the 80's in their full glory.
it was on closed roads but still public road they can't place barriers every meter and we simply did not care... you'll realize some were too ripe for the darwin award tho... XD
One of the countries with people alongside the road is portugal just to answer to your question
Nigdy nie widziałem reprezentanta z USA W GR.B ,chyba nie dają rady.😂😂. Myślę o ancie.
Jadą... ale tylko prosto 😂😂😂😂😂
check out historical footage from that time for paris - dakar
And cool video, explanation at first, i love it
Group B kinda carried on under the name of British rallycross on track rather than public roads👍
Fine thin line between bat shit crazy and brilliance. 👀
There are a few mistakes on the video but the worst offender is about the tickets.
What tickets?
The races were (and are) on public roads!
Closed for the event, but still public.
Anyone can access them.
Even today, it is possible to happen a crash between a pilot and a civilian due to the simple reason that somehow that civilian didn't got the memo that a racing event is happening and he is the only person in that region that uses the road that gave him access to the "track".
Highly improbable. But possible.
It has happened before.
Private road in private property land with access to public road.
Think: farmer didn't got the memo, needed to go to town to buy supplies, uses the road he always uses.
It's nobody's fault.
Sometimes, shit just happens!
Si je ne me trompe pas, en France, il y avait le groupe A (pour le professionnel) , et puis quand le A avaient fini, les gens du groupes B faisaient le même circuit ! ..
Tout le monde pouvait concourir dans le groupe B ! ..
Les garagistes autour où se faisaient chaque années le rallyes savaient transformer votre vieille voiture pour faire le rallye en groupe B (en gonflant le moteur, installant un siège baquet , mettant un volant plus adapté, en installant un arceaux de sécurité, ect ect) ; Juste pour savoir, un jour j'ai demandé à un de ces garagistes : Pour 10 000 € il faisait tout cela sur ta vieille voiture ! ... ; Tu n'allais pas gagner (même en groupe B) avec ce prix et ta vieille bagnole ... mais te faire "plaisir" (si tu aimais ça) pendant 2 jours que duré le rallye et donc sur 2 course (sans compter les essaies 2 jours avant le début du rallye en lui même)
Démocratiquement c'est intéressant ! .. (surtout pour les passionnés ! ...) ; Cela pouvait d'ailleurs désacraliser chez certains trop passionné, après avoir pu faire eux même cela réellement , ou après avoir vu leurs rêves abouti ! ... comparé au coût , même si pas énorme ! ... et peut être au rêve de champion automobile qu'ils pouvaient espérer être ! ... (et ensuite aller moins vite sur les routes )
D'ailleurs, les gros cylindré (ferrai , Porche ect ..), beaucoup moins performant que les voitures lambda (mais transformées) sur ces routes ! ...
Not sure if i recommended this, i recommend this to EVERYONE even remotely interested in germany or Cars. :P
But glad to see it either way.
That's how rally was these days, if you weren't covered in mud and oil, you had not been on the track
You should watch aboute the first truck in Paris Dakhar.
A 200 miles per hours two headed truck going is an insane thing to witness
The crowds on rally stages back in the 80s were something else. Crowd control was non-existant and crowd safety didn't even factor into rally planning. It was the 'in' thing for crowd memebers to try to touch the cars as they flew by. There are more than a few stories of teams finding severed fingers on bits of the bodywork when the cars came back for service! The crazy thing is, often no one came forward to say it was their finger and they didn't sue, can you imagine that today!? I'm a motorsports marshal in the UK for track and rally, seeing the footage of the crowds from back then sends shivers up my spine! EDIT: Should have watched to the end of the video, I see they mentioned the fingers!
There is ZERO grounds for suing in that case.
You CHOSE to stick your hand in there.
Whatever happens after that is YOUR fault.
People are such pussies today!
Group B Walter Röhrl: watch it
you guys need to check Dakar racing. talking about no limits hahaha
You can still get right next to tracks because point to point Rally is usually on public roads that has been cut for duration of the event. They race literally next to peoples homes and fields, so you cant tell people to fuck off.
8:34 - yes he is absolutelu driking, even his shirt says it "FAN & VIN" (Fan & Wine). :D
Pan* as in Bread*
its bread and wine ✨️
I just love Rallyes!
You should look into Michelle Mouton, she is a legend
To your surprise...the spectators casualties were a ways below your speculation....If you want to see some thrills, Watch WRC Rally of Finland.
There's a video of Colin McRae in 1996 or 1997 in Portugal, it's worth a check out.
Audi had A1 A2 81 82, both having more than 400 bhps. First sport S audi came 83 and it was without the wings. That is S1 EVO 2 85 and it had more than 500 bhps.
People had balls back then
It's only ever been about money for the FIA.
Welcome to the world of grown-ups!😆
A Group B report without the Legend Walter Roehrl? Impossible. 🙂
The safety measures were lacking partly due to FiA's inefficiency to do anything about it and partly due to Group B being wildly more successful than they dared to hope for. Death of Henry Toivonen was for rally almost the same as death of Ayrton Senna was to F1. He was a dominant driver and a beloved character and his death made waves in the rally world. The sport has never after that been as insane, and some would argue as entertaining, but modern rally cars are amazingly safe to crash in. If you take a look at Ott Tänak's crash in Monte Carlo a couple years back, your first instinct is to think no one walked away from that. They drive on a mountain road at 110 mph in a fast left hander, sending their car flying almost on tree top level and rolling wildly down the slope. Both him and his co-driver only had some minor injuries and bruises and if my memory serves me, they raced in the next event couple weeks later.
Also Michelle Moulton's story is one of the better sports stories overall in my opinion. Known also by her moniker "The queen of speed" she took up rally racing in her 20's and instantly made an impact in national series of france, being so fast that her competitors demanded additional scrutiny of her vehicle. Despite facing a lot of doubt and ridicule for her gender, she brought this speed to Group B and Audi, making a serious challenge for the world championship. With a bit of luck, she probably would have won one.
I'm a big fan of F1, but I admit that rallies are much more spectacular than races on the track. I sometimes go to rallies, but I absolutely never stand on the outside of a corner. although anything can always happen there - rallies can be equally dangerous for the competitors and the audience even nowadays, because many fans are really crazy
those last gen group B cars had around 400 - 550hp on paper but the drivers have told that when they are maxed out like lancia S4 or audi S1 had over 700hp.. they just didnt use all that power because driving on those thin roads would become too hard
Non farti tante domande, era un periodo dove se non toccavi la macchina che passava era inutile che tu andassi a vedere un rally 😅😅😅
Are these ppl nuts.. no.. they are mostly europeans.. we are not the same as rest of the world :D
Most of that crazy footage was taken in Portugal
Please react to Sebastien Loeb’s videos. He is the greatest pilot of all time 😮
u have to look up "the motersport that killed it's own fans" which is also about Group B...
Why is it on all of these reaction videos for Group B Rally the Americans keep commenting on the crowds and how crazy they must be. While the Europeans amongst us just consider it as normal!
PORTUGAL!!! 😍😍😍😍😍
Bons souvenirs que le Groupe B.
"you cant have a race like that" refering to casualties ... well, The Isle of Man TT Mountain Course still has its racing despite constant casualties.
Worst year had 11 casualties so far and since 1937 only one year had no deaths at all. Current total is 281 casualties ( 265 drivers and 16 bystander).
Dont get me wrong, Group B was dangerous af ... but it actually wasnt that dangerous compared to other races at the time and could have survived as a group if the organization werent so callous and stubborn.
Personally I have nothing against these Darwin events, noone is forced into that danger ... and plenty of other past time activities are far more dangerous still.
the French Sébastien Loeb is the driver with the most rally championchip win (9) ..... he make a record on pike speak too.
Why people stand beside the track? Its the same why people are doing Bungee Jumping or anything like it, Adrenalin rush.