Esports at the Olympics is a logistical nightmare, would be rife with corruption, and is the exact opposite of what we need in the games industry right now. EDIT: Let's put it this way; Chess should be put into the Olympics before any esport does.
Absolutely. But if eSports could get its own competition which groups a bunch of games (something like Evo, but for like, all eSports), that could maybe be cool. But yeah, a logistical nightmare for sure
@@morganwhoop eh, there's a physical aspect to esports, and there's already gun at the Olympics where the gun does most of the actual sporting and you just point it at where to sport. (I don't understand gun) I don't think esports should be at the Olympic as they are way too closely tied to the companies that produce them and sports getting in shouldn't be a marketing thing.
The one about Earthboundy "kid" RPGs with underlying dark themes hits home with a lot of gamers that are now adults nostalgic for their childhoods. I find it really weird we can agree that endless sequels are fine if there's creativity behind it yet can't extrapolate that out to an entire subgenre of games that are typically made with tons of passion in mind.
I second that. Imagine having a Supermajor that includes every eSport that's hot at the time, and players would have to play in official teams for their countries in order to win? That would be an Olympics I would thoroughly enjoy watching.
Putting something into the public domain does not get rid of the thing. In fact, the more stuff put into the public domain the more things that will be made using it. Companies can still make movies with those ideas, but now so can everyone else.
I mean Dragon Quest hasn't changed much since it started on the NES, and all of the games are really good, so infinite sequels are fine, as long as they keep it interesting. That's why Dragon Quest 12 is gonna change some things up for the series. The director said that 12 will define the Dragon Quest series for the next 20 years. If a game series is really good, and they do some sort of noticeable change/addition that keeps it fresh every 15-20 years, then that series can go on forever and I'll be happy.
eSports shouldn't be at the Olympics, but soon there should be a global eSports tournament for the greatest current games, similar to what Evo is for fighting games, but for every genre.
absolutely agree with this. I don't really follow cs:go or dota, but I'm a casual lol/melee watcher and die hard rl fan. It would be so cool to hang out with a group of friends with different viewing habits and all go and watch our respective games and get insight into how they work and just watch the game at the highest level. Would be a ton of fun and a great opportunity to get exposure to other games than just the few I follow/play.
the thing about the Olympics is that all sports are public domain and most of them are accessible for free, with the exception being the ones that require equipment. Esports would inevitably favor a company over others and possibly create a more substantial barrier of entry into an Olympic sport
Besides all the other reasons melee specifically wouldn’t make sense for the Olympics because practically the entire scene is American centric. It would need to be a more global game.
Melee is also pretty fucking tiny, even compared to the least popular sports. League would be the perfect game probably, but it wouldn’t be worth it as people would be angry, as it isn’t a sport by definition
I personally disagree with the Earthbound tweet. It's true that some games like YiiK were obviously made because the creator had some deep narrative they wanted to tell, but spared no thought about how it would play as a game. Meanwhile you have games like Omori that actually think about being games first and foremost, while also having a great story to go with it. Edit: Rewriting the rest so it doesn't read like an Omori ad lol. I disagree with Coney were he seemed as though he was tired of indie games being about depression. I think this ignores the fact that the appeal of these games comes from their nuances. Why is this character depressed? How does it affect them? What will they do to overcome it? As long as the creator tackles the subject matter in a way that feels personal to them (and makes it fun to play), I think that's a game worth making and playing.
@@kadabraguy9846 True lmao I just really like Omori. I think as long as the game says something interesting with it's narrative and is fun to play it's worth making. That's all I meant.
"Meanwhile you have games like Omori that actually think about being games first and foremost, while also having a great story to go with it." I love Omori, but this is not true at all. Omocat has gone on record saying that she wanted Omori to be a game, but moreover that she wanted to tell the STORY through a game. While she didn't have the capacity to do that, she created the Omoriboy webcomic until she did. Omori is a story-driven game, and I love the story it tells, but the Earthbound-style JRPG gameplay is not mechanically distinct enough to get away from the point of the tweet.
@@keenfrizzle I disagree, I thought the emotion mechanic was an interesting way of rolling stat buffs and elemental type advantage into one. Also the follow up mechanic really sells the dynamic of the 4 friends and in some cases reflect their interactions in cutscenes. I'm sure other games have similar mechanics in terms of function, but these mechanics combined into 1 package is what gives Omori it's unique flavour. These are all just opinions though.
The issue really is that a lot of them retread similar stories, that being the "what if mental health was a jrpg" and they stumble through it and forget the nuance making it feel shallow. There are 1 or 2 of them are good, but you underestimate the amount of rpgmaker trash people make because they think they can do it too.
I don't think they're called indie games because they're small and not popular, but rather because they are made by independent developers. Like, look at Minecraft, Fnaf, Fnf, Among Us, and Undertale. All indie games, but some of the most popular games and franchises on the planet at one time.
@@cooscoos3954 Yeah no I know what indie game means. What I meant was how indie games are often discussed as if they were all part of one genre, not that the name "indie" inherently means unpopular.
@@jamiemccreath3959 I see what you mean now, especially since indie games experiment so much with style and mechanics that they aren't all that similar.
I can see where the “public domain” opinion is coming from but 25 years is WAY too short. Also, the Earthbound/Undertale fact is so true. Those games did it well and so many other devs think they can replicate it but it just ends up being predictable, like “ooh! A cell shaded/pixel indie game! I bet it’ll tackle human emotions with super basic dialogue!”
@@EllieMiller510 yeah and that's part of the reason I think 50 is good honestly. It gives just enough time for the original IP holders to make content with an IP and while its still in living memory it's passed into the publics hands.
It is a tough spilt for me, but I definitely believe part of it is true. I wasn't a big fan of Undertale and a whole bunch of "emotional" games, but I did really enjoy Omori. In the sea of pixel indie games, there is occasionally one that works for me.
But patents last 20 years, copyright currently last 100+ years only because Disney wanted to keep Mickey out of public domain If it weren’t for Disney copyright would probably be more in line with how long patents are.
Yeah, Disney is pretty evil for that. I think Coney misinterpreted the 25 years though. There is no risk, it should enter public domain no matter what the creators try to do.
I think an international style video game event would be sick, similar to the Olympics, but I do not think video games belong at the Olympics themselves
I don't think eSports should be in the Olympics. All I'm saying is that the Olympics is for physical sports. Plus eSports come and go while Olympic sports are consistent. eSports doesn't take nearly as much of a toll as the gymnastic sports in the Olympics. Imo. eSports is much easier than many of the Olympic sports at there highest levels. Simone Biles is more talented than any eSports players. Both the Olympians and eSports players work hard but I feel one is more talented and hard working than the other.
I think itd be cool butttttt. Itd be a bit weird to see some one in pe as k physical performance. And then you have well a wide variety of skilled fat people
@@mz-power9587 I know physical ability has nothing to do with how well you do in games, and I'm not opposed to the opinion esports shouldnt be an olympic sport, but have you seen most pro level gamers? Fat people are outliers, the majority are skinny or around average weight
I think another point in esports in the olympics is that video games are products. Nobody owns soccer, but there is one company who owns smash or CS-GO. Not only would the olympics have to get the rights, but it would be a little weird to select which games get a huge amount of free advertising
As someone who plays games on the PC and owns a PS4/5 and a Switch, I'm honestly really considering getting a Steam Deck. Mainly, it's the portability draw that Coney mentioned, but also my PC is overdue for an upgrade, but *only* for the gaming side. Everything else I use it for, it still is amazing with (photo/video/sound editing). So I may just pick a Steam Deck up for like a 3rd or 4th of what I'd pay to properly upgrade my PC for current games.
I think the only plausible Esport to include in the Olympics would be Endurance Sim Racing. You may be sitting in a chair, but using a wheel peripheral with Force Feedback for 200 laps is taxing on both mind and body. If I can remember, it was discussed at some point in the past.
People really mad about the last poll like bruh what other games are there blazblue, melty blood, skullgirls man half this chat don’t even know those games
As far as reiterating and producing the same IP with different layers and ideas; the light bulb will never go out of style, but it will change throughout the decades, wether that be in life, brightness, or size, things are always up for improvement, we’re not close to the wall yet.
4:00 yeah 25 years is only enough time to do like 3 spiderman movie reboots. Each series having about 3 movies, with additional toys, comics and video games.
I’m so unbelievably excited for the steamdeck. There’s a bunch of fighting games I play that I can’t take with me when I travel, and the steamdeck is probably gonna solve all of those issues for me.
Here's one- The argument of whether or not Smash is a fighting game series is irrelevant, any game's (mainly Melee and the newest installment at any given time) competitive scene is growing every day and each game will sell more and more copies in the future
Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa Batman/Elmer Fudd is one of the greatest comic books of the modern age. It was Neal Adams's favorite comic before he passed (Neal Adams was a legend and did a lot of our favorite characters and books)!
On fanbases ruining games WRONG, you can have people loving theories and players just playing alone co-exist On indie games all being the same This guy doesn't know what an indie game is
I think the situation might be a bit different for streamers on the Indie Games one. Many gamers only pick up the Indie Games that rise to the top. If all you're playing are the Celeste's and Hades' and Undertales' (the ones that break out to more mainstream gaming audiences), then of course the Indie space is going to seem more varied. Underneath the surface, however, are a lot of games that kind of blend in together just due to how many Indie Devs are out there releasing games. Streamers probably do get into those weeds in their quest for content, which might put them at a better position to judge the "state" of the Indie Dev scene more than most other gamers.
I'm down for a smash bros style nintendo racing game, but it shouldn't be mario kart. It should be different from it in more ways than just characters, and shouldn't fall under the mario kart name. Make it an excuse to experiment with something new. Or, even better: just bring back f-zero as f-zero and have it exist at all edit: also, having karts like the blue falcon and tracks from other games imo is different from having characters from those games, and it should be like 80% mario stuff
This is from the future the steam deck did not fail it's actually doing REALLY good on sales. I'm actually getting one my self this Christmas it's priced alright the base version is like 450 and the highest end one is 650. I would recommend it and after it's priced at like the same price as the newest consoles it's 100% worth it you basically get a PC for the same price as a console alot more value for the dollar.
People make fun of yearly sports games releases, but tbf my father can pretty decently distinguish and recognize the small mechanical differences in the various NBA 2K game. He can also tell how the game weights various stats differently, and the various changed to the "coaching" mode every year. I dont get it... But he and others can very clearly distinguish between them. I think writing off everything as cash-grabs can be very dismissive of both fans of various series and whatever devs worked hard. Yearly sports game releases are dictated by soulless corporate, but i GUARENTEE that at least some of the developers are extremely passionate about the sports game they have created
A lot of people seem to be misunderstanding Coney's point on the copyright one. It's not that it's a bad idea per se, but having the claim be that (relatively) short incentivizes companies to artificially extend that period by adding more movies. So if a Dreamworks film released now in 2021, and was set to be public domain in 2046, Dreamworks could just use that 25 years to make a sequel to the first, extending their hold on the franchise as a whole for another 25 years. The end result is a bunch of garbage filler movies made solely to prevent franchises from becoming public; aka the Disney strategy but even more of it and literally everyone is doing it.
If I had three wishes I'd wish for world peace, an end to world hunger, and I world destroy all Public Domain laws. All content you make can be remade and taken by anyone
Wow I cant believe coney, my favorite content creator, is a fan of disney/nintendo owning every IP and not doing anything with it while suing anyone that does.
@@liquidmark5081 Yeah except for Earthbound, F-Zero, Kid Icarus, Golden Sun. Or when Star Fox, Pikmin, and Metroid were missing from a generation of consoles.
@@DemonGiraffe95 Half of those are in smash. So yes they are being used. No excuse tho we need an F zero game but Nintendo believes they cant do anything else with the series. Which is a bit sad
I think Stan Sapphics’s comment is a fact for most games. The Splatoon community single handedly pushed me away from that franchise and it’s been one of my favorite series’ ever since it came out. It’s an incredible toxic and disgusting community that I couldn’t look at the game the same way again. Smash also has an incredibly toxic community that I just kind of distanced from smash for a bit and distanced from the incredibly toxic people. Of course these are my experiences but I do think other people could be happier if they distance from the toxic side of a community
I think the main thing for Esports at the olympics is that what would we even do? run a tournament? Esports already to that, we all ready have speed running competitions, theres now way to fabricate Esports on the olympic stage that would be impactful and digestible like other sports. Like loo man or woman lifts big weight (wow thats larger than last year!) compared to or xxpwnnoobsxx got first in smash the targets? like no, Esports are simply conceptualized in a different way.
See, I like how you mention Batman Bugs but completely gloss over the Bugs Chungus during the scene shortly after Bugs slaps the Elmer Fudd costume on LeBron..
I got a chuckle out of Guilty Gear being "incredibly accessible." I would go so far as to say it is one of the most difficult fighting games to get started in. That's a genre problem though, not one specific to the series. Anime fighters either have a really high knowledge/mechanical skill barrier or they are bad (MVCI).
What I meant by accessible I was mostly speaking about the Gatling system. At least with my experience in +R, when I first started off the Gatling system it made me feel like I was doing good. I began to learn more BnB’s without too much research. And with Strive came what I believe to be the best in game teaching tool with the mission mode
Guilty Gear is legitimately the best fighting game series ever tho. All of the games slap and the only meh one is the first, but it’s only meh because it’s a kusoge and kusoge are still fun sometimes.
To be fair most fighting games had a pretty rough start. I can’t think of any BIG classic fighting game series that had a really good first game that aged well
honestly my biggest problem with the steam deck is that its a steam machine... I don't have that many games on steam let alone ones i'd like to play on a small ass console and on controller (example: any first person shooter).
I think that the general audience wont be big on the steam deck, but it'll be HUGE for emulation since they have a portable console to emulate games instead of a phone
I think that there should be a yearly video game version of the olympics instead because I don’t like them together but we should have something like that
Esports should not be a part of the Olympics. There should be some type of large event around the time of the Olympics that would be for esports. Have the best players from every country go out and play for their country, have medals, make it like the Olympics, but it’s for esports specifically. It may be hard to do, but it would be better than the Olympics, which is a test of physical skill, getting invaded by people sitting in chairs with controllers.
Ok so consoles built in to tvs isn't a new concept at all. TVs have been made with a built-in NES, super nintendo, and even a PS2. The issue is that game consoles become obsolete pretty quickly when the next replacement comes out but TVs are kept for much longer. Also you can't take your console somewhere else without taking the tv with you (tvs are way too slim for any console other than the switch to fit without being re-packaged) and if something went wrong with your console you would have to send off your tv to be repaired or have a technician come to your house. Also if you wanted to get a new tv but wanted to keep your console then too bad. Seems cool but if you really think about it you're actually worse off unless there's a serious package deal discount.
I think esport would be cool to have at the olympics but then I think about actually seeing it there and I mean do i actually want it there. Also games can be sports but esports players arent athletes
Me too. I feel like it's the best excuse we can get of hearing Coney's opinions on things, in a digestible format that isn't confined to some random gaming stream. In a world where Coney never becomes a "video essay" type content man, we've at least got Fact or Opinion.
Coney, if a patent lasts 20 years (en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Term_of_patent_in_the_United_States) then 50 years is still to mush for an intellectual property to b under protection. Copyright laws are detrimental to our cultural progression. Because intellectual properties become franchises more often an appeal from 20 to 35/40 should be possible but that's It.
The patent shouldn't go out before the creator is retired or dead. no one should get the chance to make more then the creator. the whole point of bringing something new into the world is to set your mark. 20-40 years isn't enough. especially now with the internet.
It's actually fact, as microsft is working with samsung, putting their console in TVs. You will get gamepass and be able to download and play any game on the Microsoft marketplace.
"If you don't have franchises, how will you have more crossovers?" Oh, I don't know, have you ever heard of a good fan project? Can you imagine how much better they would get if they could be paid for it!?!
imagine someone asking what you do in your free time and you have to say that you play a children's party game in a competitive environment as fucking pikachu
Where would you ever take your steam deck? If I’m out of my house it’s normally because I don’t want to play video games. If I’m in my house I have a much more powerful and easily accessible PC that I can use to play games. I don’t see the appeal whatsoever
People saying you can’t have infinite sequels. Guys we’ve had assassin’s creed for eleven years. Sure there’s flops but there is always a Black flag to bring people back.
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Doggo Boy’s opinions are a unique glimpse into the future but his username is rooted squarely in 2014 Facebook culture
His opinion on crossovers is easily a hard disagree from me.
Buuut, I agree with the SENTIMENT behind it.
Esports at the Olympics is a logistical nightmare, would be rife with corruption, and is the exact opposite of what we need in the games industry right now.
EDIT: Let's put it this way; Chess should be put into the Olympics before any esport does.
Absolutely. But if eSports could get its own competition which groups a bunch of games (something like Evo, but for like, all eSports), that could maybe be cool. But yeah, a logistical nightmare for sure
chess 2 will come out before chess goes to the olympics.
another way to put it is that esports is more of a mental sport, while the olympics focus on physical sports
the esports Olympics should be its own separate entity
@@morganwhoop eh, there's a physical aspect to esports, and there's already gun at the Olympics where the gun does most of the actual sporting and you just point it at where to sport. (I don't understand gun)
I don't think esports should be at the Olympic as they are way too closely tied to the companies that produce them and sports getting in shouldn't be a marketing thing.
The only reason the public domain laws last so long is Disney REALLY wants to keep earning money off of Mickey
Regardless of everything that was said in this video, the biggest thing I got was that Coney doesn't understand how public domain works
5:31 the sea of 2 immediately after hearing "Esports should be at the Olympics" was the highlight of this video
The one about Earthboundy "kid" RPGs with underlying dark themes hits home with a lot of gamers that are now adults nostalgic for their childhoods.
I find it really weird we can agree that endless sequels are fine if there's creativity behind it yet can't extrapolate that out to an entire subgenre of games that are typically made with tons of passion in mind.
"skullgirls is a meme"
pain
“Smash isn’t a fighting game”
Pain
Skullgirls also isn't a fighting game series. It has one game
Esports at the Olympics is dumb... but the esports Olympics? THAT would be hype
I second that.
Imagine having a Supermajor that includes every eSport that's hot at the time, and players would have to play in official teams for their countries in order to win? That would be an Olympics I would thoroughly enjoy watching.
i think ive said it before, but i appreciate yall still using blue haired coney with the fact or opinion thumbnails
I remember when the dye was wearing off and it was a yellow-y type of color he did a Nintendo sponsored smash tournament. Very funny
@@EllieMiller510 mr content makes a bold statement yet again, you absolutely love to see it
Putting something into the public domain does not get rid of the thing. In fact, the more stuff put into the public domain the more things that will be made using it. Companies can still make movies with those ideas, but now so can everyone else.
Americans, in particular, have NO FUCKING CLUE when it comes to the clusterfuck that is IP law and IP philosophy. They just don't care to understand.
I mean Dragon Quest hasn't changed much since it started on the NES, and all of the games are really good, so infinite sequels are fine, as long as they keep it interesting. That's why Dragon Quest 12 is gonna change some things up for the series. The director said that 12 will define the Dragon Quest series for the next 20 years. If a game series is really good, and they do some sort of noticeable change/addition that keeps it fresh every 15-20 years, then that series can go on forever and I'll be happy.
eSports shouldn't be at the Olympics, but soon there should be a global eSports tournament for the greatest current games, similar to what Evo is for fighting games, but for every genre.
absolutely agree with this. I don't really follow cs:go or dota, but I'm a casual lol/melee watcher and die hard rl fan. It would be so cool to hang out with a group of friends with different viewing habits and all go and watch our respective games and get insight into how they work and just watch the game at the highest level. Would be a ton of fun and a great opportunity to get exposure to other games than just the few I follow/play.
What about the Elympics, itd be an evo/gdq thing with a lot of different kind of games
the thing about the Olympics is that all sports are public domain and most of them are accessible for free, with the exception being the ones that require equipment. Esports would inevitably favor a company over others and possibly create a more substantial barrier of entry into an Olympic sport
Besides all the other reasons melee specifically wouldn’t make sense for the Olympics because practically the entire scene is American centric. It would need to be a more global game.
yeah its almost always either japan or the us but they just use west and east blanket terms
I think the only game that would work will be Minecraft with pvp matches
Melee is also pretty fucking tiny, even compared to the least popular sports. League would be the perfect game probably, but it wouldn’t be worth it as people would be angry, as it isn’t a sport by definition
It’s also not a sport
@@Matthew.Morcos Look up the definition of the word "Sport". League is a Sport.
I personally disagree with the Earthbound tweet. It's true that some games like YiiK were obviously made because the creator had some deep narrative they wanted to tell, but spared no thought about how it would play as a game. Meanwhile you have games like Omori that actually think about being games first and foremost, while also having a great story to go with it.
Edit: Rewriting the rest so it doesn't read like an Omori ad lol. I disagree with Coney were he seemed as though he was tired of indie games being about depression. I think this ignores the fact that the appeal of these games comes from their nuances. Why is this character depressed? How does it affect them? What will they do to overcome it? As long as the creator tackles the subject matter in a way that feels personal to them (and makes it fun to play), I think that's a game worth making and playing.
This just reads like an Omori ad lol I don't think it really disproves the original argument
@@kadabraguy9846 True lmao I just really like Omori. I think as long as the game says something interesting with it's narrative and is fun to play it's worth making. That's all I meant.
"Meanwhile you have games like Omori that actually think about being games first and foremost, while also having a great story to go with it." I love Omori, but this is not true at all. Omocat has gone on record saying that she wanted Omori to be a game, but moreover that she wanted to tell the STORY through a game. While she didn't have the capacity to do that, she created the Omoriboy webcomic until she did. Omori is a story-driven game, and I love the story it tells, but the Earthbound-style JRPG gameplay is not mechanically distinct enough to get away from the point of the tweet.
@@keenfrizzle I disagree, I thought the emotion mechanic was an interesting way of rolling stat buffs and elemental type advantage into one. Also the follow up mechanic really sells the dynamic of the 4 friends and in some cases reflect their interactions in cutscenes. I'm sure other games have similar mechanics in terms of function, but these mechanics combined into 1 package is what gives Omori it's unique flavour. These are all just opinions though.
The issue really is that a lot of them retread similar stories, that being the "what if mental health was a jrpg" and they stumble through it and forget the nuance making it feel shallow. There are 1 or 2 of them are good, but you underestimate the amount of rpgmaker trash people make because they think they can do it too.
Can't wait for the day when indie games are big enough to not be grouped into the "indie games" category
I don't think they're called indie games because they're small and not popular, but rather because they are made by independent developers. Like, look at Minecraft, Fnaf, Fnf, Among Us, and Undertale. All indie games, but some of the most popular games and franchises on the planet at one time.
@@cooscoos3954 Yeah no I know what indie game means. What I meant was how indie games are often discussed as if they were all part of one genre, not that the name "indie" inherently means unpopular.
@@jamiemccreath3959 I see what you mean now, especially since indie games experiment so much with style and mechanics that they aren't all that similar.
I can see where the “public domain” opinion is coming from but 25 years is WAY too short. Also, the Earthbound/Undertale fact is so true. Those games did it well and so many other devs think they can replicate it but it just ends up being predictable, like “ooh! A cell shaded/pixel indie game! I bet it’ll tackle human emotions with super basic dialogue!”
Yeah my first reaction to the public domain thing was like "ok yes but what about 40-50 years???"
@@froteet even 40-50 might be a bit too short. Like if it’s 50 Star Wars is public domain in 6 years
@@EllieMiller510 yeah and that's part of the reason I think 50 is good honestly. It gives just enough time for the original IP holders to make content with an IP and while its still in living memory it's passed into the publics hands.
It is a tough spilt for me, but I definitely believe part of it is true. I wasn't a big fan of Undertale and a whole bunch of "emotional" games, but I did really enjoy Omori. In the sea of pixel indie games, there is occasionally one that works for me.
But patents last 20 years, copyright currently last 100+ years only because Disney wanted to keep Mickey out of public domain
If it weren’t for Disney copyright would probably be more in line with how long patents are.
Well, Mickey Mouse enters the Public domain in 2024 but, it'll likely get extended since Disney Corporates continue to extend the deadline.
Yeah, Disney is pretty evil for that. I think Coney misinterpreted the 25 years though. There is no risk, it should enter public domain no matter what the creators try to do.
disney will declare war on the world before letting any of their property go into public domain.
Imagine your console breaks and then you have to buy a new tv
I think an international style video game event would be sick, similar to the Olympics, but I do not think video games belong at the Olympics themselves
I wonder if the editor likes Kirby planet robobot.
Can't say I blame them, that ost slaps.
I don't think eSports should be in the Olympics. All I'm saying is that the Olympics is for physical sports. Plus eSports come and go while Olympic sports are consistent. eSports doesn't take nearly as much of a toll as the gymnastic sports in the Olympics. Imo. eSports is much easier than many of the Olympic sports at there highest levels.
Simone Biles is more talented than any eSports players. Both the Olympians and eSports players work hard but I feel one is more talented and hard working than the other.
I think itd be cool butttttt. Itd be a bit weird to see some one in pe as k physical performance. And then you have well a wide variety of skilled fat people
@@mz-power9587 I know physical ability has nothing to do with how well you do in games, and I'm not opposed to the opinion esports shouldnt be an olympic sport, but have you seen most pro level gamers? Fat people are outliers, the majority are skinny or around average weight
@@sleepybinchagreed many pro gamers are normal weight maybe not peak physical condition. But average
3:45 Coney… patents last 20 years. 25 years isn’t too short
I think another point in esports in the olympics is that video games are products. Nobody owns soccer, but there is one company who owns smash or CS-GO. Not only would the olympics have to get the rights, but it would be a little weird to select which games get a huge amount of free advertising
As someone who plays games on the PC and owns a PS4/5 and a Switch, I'm honestly really considering getting a Steam Deck.
Mainly, it's the portability draw that Coney mentioned, but also my PC is overdue for an upgrade, but *only* for the gaming side. Everything else I use it for, it still is amazing with (photo/video/sound editing). So I may just pick a Steam Deck up for like a 3rd or 4th of what I'd pay to properly upgrade my PC for current games.
Dude, you build a GC into a 7-in CRT and slap some controller storage in there, ya got your ultimate Melee travel pack.
I think the only plausible Esport to include in the Olympics would be Endurance Sim Racing. You may be sitting in a chair, but using a wheel peripheral with Force Feedback for 200 laps is taxing on both mind and body. If I can remember, it was discussed at some point in the past.
15:30 on one hand i agree with u
On the other hand ive been playing spiritfarer and omori which take similar themes but explore it in different ways
The one about the quirky earthbound clones was so based, like im glad we can realize that it is getting a bit repetitive.
Coney out here being the corporate shill defending copyright.
People really mad about the last poll like bruh what other games are there blazblue, melty blood, skullgirls man half this chat don’t even know those games
As far as reiterating and producing the same IP with different layers and ideas; the light bulb will never go out of style, but it will change throughout the decades, wether that be in life, brightness, or size, things are always up for improvement, we’re not close to the wall yet.
4:00 yeah 25 years is only enough time to do like 3 spiderman movie reboots. Each series having about 3 movies, with additional toys, comics and video games.
Also everyone can use it means anyone can use it including the copyright holders
I’m so unbelievably excited for the steamdeck. There’s a bunch of fighting games I play that I can’t take with me when I travel, and the steamdeck is probably gonna solve all of those issues for me.
Here's one- The argument of whether or not Smash is a fighting game series is irrelevant, any game's (mainly Melee and the newest installment at any given time) competitive scene is growing every day and each game will sell more and more copies in the future
Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa Batman/Elmer Fudd is one of the greatest comic books of the modern age. It was Neal Adams's favorite comic before he passed (Neal Adams was a legend and did a lot of our favorite characters and books)!
Damn both Smash AND Skullgirls got rocked at the end. Two of my favorite competitive games.
Coney said you can't have too many sequels but then said that earthbound inspired games being made so commonly is bad...
this makes no sense to me.
On fanbases ruining games
WRONG, you can have people loving theories and players just playing alone co-exist
On indie games all being the same
This guy doesn't know what an indie game is
I think the situation might be a bit different for streamers on the Indie Games one. Many gamers only pick up the Indie Games that rise to the top. If all you're playing are the Celeste's and Hades' and Undertales' (the ones that break out to more mainstream gaming audiences), then of course the Indie space is going to seem more varied.
Underneath the surface, however, are a lot of games that kind of blend in together just due to how many Indie Devs are out there releasing games. Streamers probably do get into those weeds in their quest for content, which might put them at a better position to judge the "state" of the Indie Dev scene more than most other gamers.
IVE NEVER SEEN SO MANY TWOS SO QUICKLY FOR THE OLYMPICS ONE 🤣
I'm down for a smash bros style nintendo racing game, but it shouldn't be mario kart.
It should be different from it in more ways than just characters, and shouldn't fall under the mario kart name. Make it an excuse to experiment with something new.
Or, even better: just bring back f-zero as f-zero and have it exist at all
edit: also, having karts like the blue falcon and tracks from other games imo is different from having characters from those games, and it should be like 80% mario stuff
This is from the future the steam deck did not fail it's actually doing REALLY good on sales. I'm actually getting one my self this Christmas it's priced alright the base version is like 450 and the highest end one is 650. I would recommend it and after it's priced at like the same price as the newest consoles it's 100% worth it you basically get a PC for the same price as a console alot more value for the dollar.
People make fun of yearly sports games releases, but tbf my father can pretty decently distinguish and recognize the small mechanical differences in the various NBA 2K game. He can also tell how the game weights various stats differently, and the various changed to the "coaching" mode every year.
I dont get it... But he and others can very clearly distinguish between them. I think writing off everything as cash-grabs can be very dismissive of both fans of various series and whatever devs worked hard. Yearly sports game releases are dictated by soulless corporate, but i GUARENTEE that at least some of the developers are extremely passionate about the sports game they have created
I bought that steam link for five dollars too. It came with an HDMI cable that I still use, so it was technically a well spent $5
A lot of people seem to be misunderstanding Coney's point on the copyright one. It's not that it's a bad idea per se, but having the claim be that (relatively) short incentivizes companies to artificially extend that period by adding more movies. So if a Dreamworks film released now in 2021, and was set to be public domain in 2046, Dreamworks could just use that 25 years to make a sequel to the first, extending their hold on the franchise as a whole for another 25 years. The end result is a bunch of garbage filler movies made solely to prevent franchises from becoming public; aka the Disney strategy but even more of it and literally everyone is doing it.
If I had three wishes I'd wish for world peace, an end to world hunger, and I world destroy all Public Domain laws. All content you make can be remade and taken by anyone
5:52 I agree with this only because some colleges are now actually now using recruiting scholarships for E-sport players
I think what I like about coney is he never gave up on clickbait titles. Even today still doing it
I don't know why the jab at skullgirls got me the way it did
2:46 I'm glad somebody finally agrees with me that a "Nintendo Kart" would be stupid and unnecessary
Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games should be an esport at the olympics
I swear down every single video without fail your choice of background music always 100% slaps AND bangs. Gg.
Wow I cant believe coney, my favorite content creator, is a fan of disney/nintendo owning every IP and not doing anything with it while suing anyone that does.
Nintendo makes new games of their IP’s every generation.
@@liquidmark5081 Yeah except for Earthbound, F-Zero, Kid Icarus, Golden Sun. Or when Star Fox, Pikmin, and Metroid were missing from a generation of consoles.
@@DemonGiraffe95 Half of those are in smash. So yes they are being used. No excuse tho we need an F zero game but Nintendo believes they cant do anything else with the series. Which is a bit sad
Disney still uses their main IP but ok
I think Stan Sapphics’s comment is a fact for most games. The Splatoon community single handedly pushed me away from that franchise and it’s been one of my favorite series’ ever since it came out. It’s an incredible toxic and disgusting community that I couldn’t look at the game the same way again. Smash also has an incredibly toxic community that I just kind of distanced from smash for a bit and distanced from the incredibly toxic people. Of course these are my experiences but I do think other people could be happier if they distance from the toxic side of a community
I think the main thing for Esports at the olympics is that what would we even do? run a tournament? Esports already to that, we all ready have speed running competitions, theres now way to fabricate Esports on the olympic stage that would be impactful and digestible like other sports. Like loo man or woman lifts big weight (wow thats larger than last year!) compared to or xxpwnnoobsxx got first in smash the targets? like no, Esports are simply conceptualized in a different way.
Since when were crossovers ever NOT a deliberate cash grab?
Pretty sure public domain was originally supposed to be ~30 years, but Disney pushed for laws extending it so they could protect Mickey
See, I like how you mention Batman Bugs but completely gloss over the Bugs Chungus during the scene shortly after Bugs slaps the Elmer Fudd costume on LeBron..
I got a chuckle out of Guilty Gear being "incredibly accessible." I would go so far as to say it is one of the most difficult fighting games to get started in. That's a genre problem though, not one specific to the series. Anime fighters either have a really high knowledge/mechanical skill barrier or they are bad (MVCI).
What I meant by accessible I was mostly speaking about the Gatling system. At least with my experience in +R, when I first started off the Gatling system it made me feel like I was doing good. I began to learn more BnB’s without too much research. And with Strive came what I believe to be the best in game teaching tool with the mission mode
Guilty Gear is legitimately the best fighting game series ever tho. All of the games slap and the only meh one is the first, but it’s only meh because it’s a kusoge and kusoge are still fun sometimes.
To be fair most fighting games had a pretty rough start. I can’t think of any BIG classic fighting game series that had a really good first game that aged well
@@dodobrain very true
can't wait for the Steam Deck to be obsolete in 6 months and never be heard of after a year
steam deck sure, but the google stadia is gonna make a grand comeback next year for sure hurrdurr
Then it'll be the true successor to the switch
honestly my biggest problem with the steam deck is that its a steam machine... I don't have that many games on steam let alone ones i'd like to play on a small ass console and on controller (example: any first person shooter).
I think that the general audience wont be big on the steam deck, but it'll be HUGE for emulation since they have a portable console to emulate games instead of a phone
Indefinite copyright gives people with the most money free reign to own all of our cultural touchstones for all time. 25 years is more than enough.
I think that there should be a yearly video game version of the olympics instead because I don’t like them together but we should have something like that
Esports should not be a part of the Olympics. There should be some type of large event around the time of the Olympics that would be for esports. Have the best players from every country go out and play for their country, have medals, make it like the Olympics, but it’s for esports specifically. It may be hard to do, but it would be better than the Olympics, which is a test of physical skill, getting invaded by people sitting in chairs with controllers.
i think falcon not getting his own game was a completely unrelated from that conversation
I think smart TV might come with not necessarily a console but a TV with a capability to run some games that you could buy off steam.
esports are esports and sports are sports just bc its a similar name dont make them the same
20:22 man i love twitch chat.
"I'd kill for a new Streets of Rage every year" BAAAAAASSSSSEEEDDD BASED BASED BASED BASED
HELLO BASED DEPARTMENT?
That last one ENDED ME. lmfao
Alot of really good content tweets this stream, alot of thought put in this.
Isn't the point of the Olympics just to Mimic what the ancient Greeks did, they didn't have vidya.
Ok so consoles built in to tvs isn't a new concept at all. TVs have been made with a built-in NES, super nintendo, and even a PS2. The issue is that game consoles become obsolete pretty quickly when the next replacement comes out but TVs are kept for much longer. Also you can't take your console somewhere else without taking the tv with you (tvs are way too slim for any console other than the switch to fit without being re-packaged) and if something went wrong with your console you would have to send off your tv to be repaired or have a technician come to your house. Also if you wanted to get a new tv but wanted to keep your console then too bad. Seems cool but if you really think about it you're actually worse off unless there's a serious package deal discount.
I think esport would be cool to have at the olympics but then I think about actually seeing it there and I mean do i actually want it there. Also games can be sports but esports players arent athletes
Was watching the first tweet dispute when I saw a different tweet in my notifis about 007 x Rocket League
10:35 coney do you realize there literally is no free market
Last guy was kinda TRUEING
21:30 cmon where my Kof bois at? were not many but were rockin since 94
What's the music that starts at 7:47 ?
I love this series so much!
Fact
True
Me too. I feel like it's the best excuse we can get of hearing Coney's opinions on things, in a digestible format that isn't confined to some random gaming stream. In a world where Coney never becomes a "video essay" type content man, we've at least got Fact or Opinion.
I would like to mention that some old tvs had a built in nes
4:54 if only Du5t1n knew back then...
Coney, if a patent lasts 20 years (en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Term_of_patent_in_the_United_States) then 50 years is still to mush for an intellectual property to b under protection.
Copyright laws are detrimental to our cultural progression. Because intellectual properties become franchises more often an appeal from 20 to 35/40 should be possible but that's It.
The patent shouldn't go out before the creator is retired or dead. no one should get the chance to make more then the creator. the whole point of bringing something new into the world is to set your mark. 20-40 years isn't enough. especially now with the internet.
Bro the gaming tv is an opinion. People won't spend 1.5k for a smart tv when they already have one
It's actually fact, as microsft is working with samsung, putting their console in TVs. You will get gamepass and be able to download and play any game on the Microsoft marketplace.
@@ianb.1603 watch it flop
4:05 coney doesnt know what public domain means
To whoever mentioned SoulCalibur during the conversation about greatest fighting game of all time, did you say that with a straight face???
"If you don't have franchises, how will you have more crossovers?"
Oh, I don't know, have you ever heard of a good fan project? Can you imagine how much better they would get if they could be paid for it!?!
Despite this series creating a massive amount of anger in me, I still watch it to see funny content man Coney!
thank you coney today i learned that a game can win fighting game of the year without being a fighting game
I agreed with coney every time. Very based of you Mr. Cone
imagine someone asking what you do in your free time and you have to say that you play a children's party game in a competitive environment as fucking pikachu
Ah beans, I’ve been Outrageous Opinion’d. 50 years is good tho
FELLAS, are you commenting to help the algorithm?!?! GET TO IT!!!
At the same time that I feel videogames would be cool, the point that Coney made is good.
BRO Limbo and Inside slap
3:30 sorry Coney, that's def a fact
Where would you ever take your steam deck? If I’m out of my house it’s normally because I don’t want to play video games. If I’m in my house I have a much more powerful and easily accessible PC that I can use to play games. I don’t see the appeal whatsoever
People saying you can’t have infinite sequels. Guys we’ve had assassin’s creed for eleven years. Sure there’s flops but there is always a Black flag to bring people back.
In 2023 the red fall part hurts to hear lol poor Arkane