Top Five Best Hunting Bullets
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- Today we're looking at the top five best hunting bullets. Many people requested this video after the Top Five Worst Video came out several weeks ago.
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I agree with you that the ELDX and SST are garbage I'm basing this on real hunting situations
Care to share any of those stories?
Bullets mushrooming and fragmenting without penetrating properly I never lost an animal but it often took several well placed shots to bring it down, a friend shot a moose on my place and it took 5 shots to kill it
Thank you my friend
My experience with the SST is it moved so fast within 100 yards it does not expand. Also had problems with fragmenting or being frangible. Does great at the range, but has caused me to shoot a deer with multiple shots to put it down.
Barnes LRX
My son and I went on our first elk hunt this year. I used 180g Partitions out of my 30-06. Sub MOA and no worries about the velocity getting too low for expansion. My son used 165g TTSX out of his 300 WM and sub MOA as well. Both of us shot our bulls at just over 300 yards and both bullets did a great job.
That's a great testimony to both bullets. Good hunting.
Thanks for sharing. I am a fellow Alaskan hunter and I have been very happy with the factory made Barnes Vor-tx TTSX BT, 120 gr for 6.5 CM. One shot kills on a larger caribou, at 120 yds, and a medium (6') grizzly bear at 151 yds.. Accuracy was key in both kills, obviously, but the bullet also did a great job, as far as I'm concerned. I'm taking Nosler Trophy Grade Accubond 140 gr 6.5 CM on my moose trip in a few weeks. Partition is a strong contender in my mind but I chose Accubond for several reasons/ intuition. Putting the 6.5 CM to the test on this one. It hasn't let me down yet.
I've been a partition believer for 20 years. Used them in 140g for my 7-08 and 280rem loads. The TTSX have been good for me as well. I haven't gotten a chance to try the federal bullets yet, but my dad has in the 7-08 and he had good results. One not mentioned that I really like in my 257-roberts is the 100g sierra pro-hunter. It's not a current production bullet or maybe a name change lately, but it has been very effective on deer. All of this has been on deer in west Alabama
Thank you for sharing your experience .
My opinion by experience:
#1 Hornady Interbond
#2 Nosler Partition
#3 Swift Scirocco
#4 Federal Terminal Ascent
#5 Swift A-Frame
#6 Nosler Accubond
I have hand-loaded many of these and bought factory rounds to shoot with great results on paper and on harvesting game. They seal well in my barrel (Krieger Match Grade) for great accuracy in bullet placement. The problem I ran into with shooting Barnes or other solids was they foul the barrel badly compared to lead with copper jacket bullets. I had to call the manufacturers to find out why there were fliers. I will say that most people will not have this problem if they clean the barrel after the 3rd or 4th round or there barrel does not have a tight tolerance. I would test it to see what your barrel likes and go from there. What shoots good in one gun may not shoot good in another. With roughly 30 years of personal experience doing this, you will go through trial and error to find what you like, so be ready to spend a little money to find that exact round you like, (IF YOU CAN FIND THEM NOW).
Appreciate your information. Godspeed and good hunting.
The way things currently are, I'm happy with *any* hunting ammo i can get my grubby mitts on. Hopefully things will improve someday.
I heard you there. Buy it, if you don't like it shot it and reload it
You made the comment about the Accubond LR round. Historically, these rounds have done a great job of finding their target and facilitating the process of expiring after the shot. Two years ago, I was on an out of state hunt and shot a fairly large white-tailed deer at around 450yrds. That deer ran over 500yrds on a perfect shoulder shot with almost no blood along its path. After finding the deer and examining the shot I noticed that the round made a full pass through but didn't do a ton of damage in the body. This past season, I shot a nice buck at 200yrds with the same load and had similar results but this time I didn't recover the animal. I found a bunch of hair on the ground where the animal was standing but zero blood. I hired a guy with tracking dogs to assist in the recovery. The deer bedded down 50yrds from the original shot but ran for over 500yrds after the dogs jumped him. This was 3+ hours after the shot. I was using Nosler Accubond LR 150 grain .270WSM.
Looks like it's time to try federal terminal ascent or barnes lrx
Federal fusion 7mm mag. 150 grain. I've made 5 shots in Montana on Mule deer between 600 and 663 yards. This is my go to 7mm round. Very accurate in my gun. Not the fastest but it does the job. Hate the Hornady SSTs. Used one time on a Mule deer. Ran over a mile on a front shoulder hit. 154grain. Never made it into the lungs.
Nosler partition is good on dangerous game.
I agree with you.!
Hornady bullets are really useless.
My favorite Norma,Nosler and Sierra
So glad the Fusion made the list. I dug one out of a big East Tennessee wild boar and it looked like they do in the commercials. Perfect mushroom and very accurate out of my M77 .270. Thanks Chuck, and Go Vols!
GO VOLS! Good to know that it works well for you!
Go Dawgs! Lol
@whitetrashcustomz5003 lol hopefully they aren't that good this year
I read once the most popular hunting round in Africa is a 308 Winchester with 180 gr. round nose bullets. Any brand. I am 76 years old and have been hunting Minnesota whitetails since I was about 15 years old. Shot my first deer with a 180 gr. round nose Remington. Have shot both Hornady and Remington round nose bullets over the years. Have shot a LOT of deer. Shot deer out to 250 paces (deer was running) with a 30-06 Ruger M77. Have shot deer over 200 pounds. I watched my son shoot an 8 point buck once with a 180 gr. Barnes X reload of mine. Bullet penciled right through. No Barnes bullets for me. Also shot a deer with a Berger bullet. No more Berger bullets for me. Fusion bullets aren't RN but are excellent bullets. Super accurate. Same thing with Nosler partition bullets. Excellent bullets. Remington Corelok are also excellent bullets. Sierra bullets work but tend to shed their cores. Hornady soft point interlock bullets have always served me well. Lapua 185 FP are excellent bullets. I have never shot a deer with Speer bullets but I suspect they would work well. After all of the years you might ask what I now use. A Kimber Montana 308 with barrel shortened to 20 inches with a 2.5x8 Leupold scope with duplex crosshairs mounted in Leupold mounts. And of course a 180 gr. bullet with 43 grains of Varget and large rifle primers.
Thank you for sharing your experience. Don't count barnes or though.. their lrx and ttsx are the best two bullets made. The X and TSX are terrible.
I bought a box of 150gr Federal Nosler Partition and I was sighting my Sako S20 Hunter .308 on a cold late fall day. I shot a nice tight group at 100 yards and after seeing how the Sako liked that round I bought 9 more boxes. I always have liked the Nosler Partition. I mostly hunt deer now.
You'll never have any issues with that combo and a well placed shot! Godspeed and good hunting
Great video, dude. I love the Federal Fusion for my 300 Win Mag. 180 grain is Very accurate and very consistent out of my 300. I also use it in my 270 with 140 grain, also with great accuracy and consistency.
That's awesome, good hunting
Love partitions because they hit hard, crush bone deep penetration, and the terminal ascents have done well for me, but the accubond has been the best bullet ever used from 7mm-08 to 300 wsm from coyote to elk and black bear. Accurate, great penetration, and great damage. Will anchor a big animal if hit shoulder.
I like the accubond but you have to drive them fast. I had a shower but accurate load in .30-06 180gr that got zero expansion at 250 yards on a caribou.
Godspeed and Good hunting my friend!
The TTSX shoots under MOA out of my T3X 3006. Iv shot 1/2 MOA groups this year several times and can only wonder what a more accomplished shooter could do. Ammunition availability has kept me from experimenting as much as I would like to. Interesting fact is the hornady white tail 150 grain shoot to the same point of impact as the165 TTSX and is still MOA or better. I only put 6 rounds through it and will definitely finish the bow to prove it to myself but I like to shoot and it’s definitely cheaper.
Good luck hunting and i hope it continues to perform well
Both the "Worst" and "Best" videos were excellent. Both videos give some good reference points for big game ammo. Thanks!
Thank you for watching and the kind words! Good hunting and Godspeed to you and yours!
Awesome list! I get Partitions to shoot 3/4 inch in my 300 WBY
Nice! How to they group at 300 and 400 yards
Federal Fusion is one of the most under-appreciated high quality ammo. I love it. The 300 AAC 150 Grain 1900 FPS (actually shoots about 2000 FPS on chrono) is sub-MOA accurate and easily kills Whitetails out to 200 yards. Great product - Kudos to Federal.
Probably the best one federal produces
Never could get a fusion to group worth a damn
The ole red black nosler spire points 100 count. Still have 500 or so assorted caliber shoots like the pro hunters
You are dead on with your worst and best. All round hunting bullets are awesome!
Thank you kindly
Love fusion and core-lokt for deer. Ttsx and trophy bonded bear claws for moose and caribou.
Nosler Partitions all the way!
Right behind the barnes
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AGREE!
Found this video now 😀
And funny enough, I see that you rate the Barnes TTSX and LRX BT as I do 😀
Mostly I use the TTSX, unless I know that the shots will most likely be longer than 300 meters.
If I know the shots will be shorter than 300 or 400 meters, depending on what cartridges I use, I use TTSX bullets in all the cartridges I have and in other cartridges I reload for friends.
I have tested lots of different bullets in lots of different cartridges over the 40 years I have hunted big game and the Barnes TTSX bullets are by far the best and versatile bullets I have used and they have been very accurate in all guns I have tested them in.
With my 6.5-06 my 3 shot groups at 100 meters are 5mm with the 120 grains TTSX.
I use it for everything from hare to moose.
What weight would you recommend I stock up on for .300 win mag for versatile general use?
Big corn fed 200+ pound Wisconsin whitetail deer. 7mm Remington Magnum handload using the Nosler 175gr. Partition bullet. Broadside lung shot at 80 yards. Deer made one hop, took two steps and then collapsed. The Nosler Partition destroyed both lungs and exited the far side leaving a rather large fan shaped blood spray on the ground. This is my deep woods deer handload for the 7mm and also serves as my backup "moose" gun load. My primary moose/bear gun is a .375 Holland and Holland.
Nosler Partition is a great bullet
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Great video. I just want to say that if you like the Federal fusion then you'll love the Gold Dots. Same plated, bonded construction with a much higher BC. Keep the velocity impacts below 2950 fps and the accuracy in 1:9 twist in my .264 WM was great. The same identical mushroom. 3000 fps 140gr in 6.5 too much expansion.
Ahh makes sense. Thank you
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Amother Honorable mention for semi open and timber hunting where potentially dangerous big bears lurk. swift a frame not a great bc but like the partition a frames holds together better
Looking into those
NOSLER PARTITIONS ARE NOW AND HAVE ALWAYS BEEN NUMBER ONE. THE VERY BEST AND ABSOLUTELY RELIABLE!!!! 😀
Too bad they're charging an arm and a leg for them, they don't penetrate as well as ttsx, have a low b.c. , have a reputation as a 1.5 moa shooter,
They perform excellent on game, but so does ttsx and lrx from barnes. A streamlined, polymer tip bonded boattail rear compartment in nosler partition would modernize it and propel it into the number one slot.
... very expensive and like the Nosler Accubonds not great accuracy ... but what's 1/2 MOA when you're hunting grizz, brown bear, elk & moose?
A lot, 1.5 moa is a lot more area at 400 yards than a .5moa.
I have always used Federal Fusion 150g in 308. Never had any issues whatsoever. Ole trusty ammo.
Great Round
I have been very successful along with my son using my dads ole stock of Remington soft point in 270 I have upgraded to federal trophy bonded tip in 270, 308, and 300 win one shot clean kills on mule deer and elk cows and bulls. At 150 to 350 range has been my favorite and looking forward to trying the terminal ascent.
I'm glad you've had success. Good hunting my friend
The partitions with the PT are what's called Protected Point. I believe they're designed that way to reduce the amount of point deformation caused by heavy recoil and loading\unloading. They're technically a different bullet.
Yeah i learned something there. They're less accurate for me
I am new to hunting and now I know what to test out for my new 30-06 thanks for the great content!!
Awesome! Thank you. I hope one of these works well for you
Shot placement is everything. I pulled a shot with my 500s&w mag (350gr xtp bullet over 43 gr of lil gun using large mag rifle primers) on a white tail at 30 yards and never found it. It obliterated the shoulder and I found pieces of bone on the ground but no deer.
Agreed. These were good shots
100% agree with the LRX. I use the 190 grain in my 300 WM. I use Choice Ammunitions hand loads (they are better at it than I am haha) the load is 3032 FPS advertised from a 26 inch test barrel. I got an average of 3020 FPS out of my Xbolt over 20 rounds and I get about an average of 3/4 MOA (100 Yards) with this ammo. I was fortunate enough to harvest a bull elk in Oregon and another in Montana last season one at 115 yards and the other at 420 perfect performance and anchored both animals off their feet on the shot. Super impressed.
Congrats on a great couple of hunts! I just got 175gr and 190gr lrx to try in my .300 win mag
Very informative, great video 👍👍
Look forward to learning something every time I see your videos... Thanks
Thank you Marty!
Godspeed
Nosler Partition PT stands for protected point. This is a close range bullet for rifles with high recoil so the tip want get damaged. The other is a Spitzer Partition. The Oryx is a protected point as well. Trick with Partition Spitzers. Carry a piece of fine steel wool and keep your points sharp. My 300 Weatherby Magnum “wiseman barrel” shoots the 180 Spitzer Partition sub 5 shot center to center in the 0.2 at 3,375 FPS. Shooting RL 26 and Fed 215M primers in Norma cases.
The Oryx bullets shoot well in my guns. Also, give Swift Scirocco II a try.
A friend of mine worked in a gun shop back in the seventies in Missoula, Montana, and he said every year dozens of hunters would come in with Speer Hot Core bullets in perfect mushrooms. I've heard Federal blue box loads with the Hot Core, not sure if this is true but a test of these would be interesting.
I've got .338 200gr loaded up to test and 30 caliber 180gr to load up
Many Alaskans swear by speer hot cores
Cheaper but very effective bullets
@jamiehurtt3530 I've got a few to load up and test
They a great for a cup and core bullet...
But they're not bonded, so I would avoid them with fast cartridges.
40 years ago, I sectioned a .270, 150gr Nosler Partition, and it was exactly the same as the picture on the box. Just recently bought some 130 grainers.
Nice. Hope they shoot well for you!
@@AlaskanBallistics so do I. No 150 grain bullets of any brand shot well from my old rifle. Steering clear this time and sticking with 130g.
@redtobertshateshandles probably the twist rate... some older .270s had 1 in 11. Or worse
@@AlaskanBallistics It was a push feed Winchester Winlite with 1-10 twist but I wonder if it was because it was bedded with pressure on the forend ??
@redtobertshateshandles possibly
No love for the swift A-frame? I figured you'd love it
No experience with it.
@@AlaskanBallistics For you guys with bigger tougher game it's probably perfect I'm here in n.e. Oklahoma and it's way more bullet than I'll ever need sadly
Just like old guys, old bullet designs rule. Nosler Partitions still work. Hope some day ammo will be easier to find.
Ive yet to try a partition. I dont want to sell a kidney to be able to afford to buy any. They are $10-$15 a box of 50 above any other bullet on the shelf. Including the accubond. They better really work good for what they cost!
@@bullhunter20jw33 it was the original bullet John Nosler came up with to get deeper penatration . It was a Hugh improvement over premium bullets of that time. Swift now makes a copy of it called the A Frame. Don't know what they cost. If you are having good success with the accubonds why not stick with them? Unless if you need to stop dangerous game.
They do work really well but not that much better than barnes lrx
Well, I agree the partitions performance on impact. For the difference, the PT on one box of ammo you have meant “protected tip “ while the other option is their spritzer. I ran the very first release of the accubond and the accubond long range. I short a couple mule deer with the accubond, and a mule deer and an elk with the accubond long range. All 4 animals I had to shoot twice. I got zero sign of expansion on all 8 bullets. All 4 animals were 1 lung shot, one neck shot. Exit holes looked exactly like the input hole. Again, first release on both bullets. This was in my 6.5 SAUM going about 3100fps.
Interesting. I knew the accubond didn't expend at low velocities and that the ABLR did better. I had zero expansion on na caribou at 250 yards with the accubond. But it v was going 2600 fps from a 22" 30-06 180gr
... you don't have to pay a fortune for premium ammo for good results in the field ... I find Federal Fusion ammo great in my 308 win & 300 win mag rifles ...very accurate & superb bullet performance
Shot a couple white tail bucks with 250 Nosler partition Out of my 340 at 2950 fps and they punched a nice hole but produced minimal blood shot at about 100 yards even though one of them went though the shoulder blade on entry! Have had much more blood shot with 25-06 and 7mm mag with cup and core bullets unless the range was 300 yards or so!
Makes sense better penetration and less splattering means less bloodshot meat
Partition for me. It just plain works. It IS the standard by which ALL others are judged.
Sierra Gamekings are also good but nothing in my opinion tops the Partition by John Nosler.
TTSX Lrx work well and don't have the 1.5 moa reptutation of the partition. But yes it's a great bullet.
BTW- the Nosler Partition was developed in 1946 and first tried out in the field in 1947 by Nosler and friend, so they are even older tech than 1951 :-)
Ahhh must chave been the massed produced year then
@@AlaskanBallistics According to my sources here, they were being mass produced before 1950, but the change to the core starting to be made from lead plugs and then being swaged in place instead of molten lead being poured in came around 1951 or so. Maybe that was what you were thinking about?
For my .270, Federal Fusion is all I have been able to find. My .308 has been Federal PowerPoint and Remington Core lokts. The only 30-30 I have found is Winchester. Imiss the days of being able to be a bullet snob.
Truth there. At least you've got something. I've picked up a couple of boxes of federal fusion.
Had a pass through at 200 yds with the superformance gmx.
Good eating my friend.
I'm booked for a Bull Moose & Black Bear combo hunt in less than a week, bought a 7mm Remington Magnum, Savage M110 Timberline, my rifle absolutely loves Federal Fusion bonded SP, less than MOA out to 400 yds, have not tested out to 500 yds yet, awesome B.C., love the 175 grain!
The Federal Premium is a wild cat in close, far left at 100, far right at 200 (can't figure that out) but dead on at 300 & 400 yds, less than MOA at 400.
Sounds like fusion it is... great bullet
Great info , Love the Terminal Ascent in 30-06
Nice!
I don’t hunt elk yet but I would still with my 30-06 180 soft point and 178 eld x !! I have had both of them out to 800 yards and in a good kill zone and took coyote with them and I think they are both very good! The 150 soft point will probably get it done at the same range! I bought copper 150 grain and I have took it out to 500 yards on water jugs but they cost too much so I don’t use them much!
Don't use that ELD-X closer than 800... it'll shatter
I love your videos, you suggested to stick with what works all the time I respect your reasons in your choices👍👍
Ive loaded Nosler Partition for all my Alaskan Big Game hunting for all my rifles in all calibers specifically for Bull Moose and all Alaskan Big Game hunting for over 25 years. I've taken bull moose with my REM700 .222 Remington, M70 270WCF, REM700 30'06, and my Winchester Ranger 30-30 with 0 follow up shots. I dress myself down with woodsmoke, get as close as I can possibly get for a clean well placed headshot. Ive used the .222 Remington once, it was only to prove my confidence in using such a cartridge on Moose. If Nosler didnt provide such I would never attempt to take such a shot.
I've witnessed what his 30'06 backed up with 200gr TTSX did to the Kodiak bear my cousin dropped @22 paces. He hit the base of its neck DRT!
Awesome man good hunting
Based on other videos I have watched of ammo testing I am not surprised by your choice for number one.
Thanks for always watching and commenting Tim!
Just an FYI- That "flat point" nose on the 250 Partition is to protect the tip of the bullets in the magazine during recoil.I didn't realize Noselr made them in 338 cal, but I guess that is only for their factory ammo. I have never seen them listed in 338 for sale as a component. Many on here will know this and you may have checked it too, but most spitzer style bullets actually get fired down range looking like the protected point anyway after being in the magazine for more than one round being fired before it. I have seen pictures from various bullet companies of their bullets being fired and filmed at a high rate of speed that shows the lead tips actually start melting off in flight from the heat of friction at high speeds, so they arrive looking like a protected point type bullet (should be able to find similar pics and info on the net fairly easily as well as in some older loading manuals) I know Hornady has put out short videos talking about their newer plastic tips being able to withstand the heat of friction when fired at high speed etc, and I'm sure others have as well.
I have had extremely food luck getting at or below MOA with Partitions in several rifles. My current 340 will do it with the 210's and 250's for three shot groups (what is shoot in this cal to prevent the barrel from getting too hot during a string) and may do it with the 225's but haven't tried yet in this particular rifle. Keep up al the good work brother!
I know the blue barnes plastic tip does well at not melting because we found it in my wife's caribou
@@AlaskanBallistics I think most manu's are finally figuring out that speed not only kills, it melts LOL and are changing the tip formulations to prevent that. Hey- I am always glad to hear you mention two holes in an animal. I have always believed that pass through's are what you want in a game bullet. Energy alone doesn't kill. Holes though vitals and the hide do. If your bullet stops against the far side ribs or hide, how hard could it have been smacking the vitals it just passed though? I want a bullet that hits them hard enough all the way from one side to the other to make exit and do as much damage to everything it passed through as possible.
I like the partitions, accubonds, and the Sierra pro- hunters. All of em go plumb through any deer in my 30/06. Speer used to make the Hot Core bullets, alot like the Federal Fusions. All of these bullets are VERY GOOD.
I've seen a lot of speer hot core bullets for sale recently.
Great video as always. We discussed the TSX in the comments of the “worst” video, so I won’t belabor my opinion. :) We switched to 130 TTSX for my wife’s 270 this year from the 150 TSX and she had excellent results. It does make me nervous about knocking a bullet tip off with the amount of chambering and unloading we do during the hunting season, for doubling up on safety. We haven’t had an issue yet though!
Yeah you're not going to have that issue. Happy hunting
With the 150 gr. partition in .30-06, I was able to get .46” 3 shot group. Needless to say, those loads are my timber hunting loads.
Also I agree completely with the TTSX and LRX being at the top of this list, unbelievable accuracy and consistent performance with them.
Great!
Quite the topic I agree on most of your reviews with barns, Nosler, Hornady However different barrel twists, conditions of barrels powder’s & powder charges,primers cleanliness of gun,all play a very important role in projectile performance and it is a form of simple science I’ve found over the years 30-35, that my # 1 go to 1,000 yrd bullet is a Barns .284 cal 160-168 gr for plains hunting, brush busting .375 H&H Nosler portion 300 gr box of ammunition lasts me 3 years would last longer if I didn’t do sight in Verification
Cool. Yeah my 7mm Rem mag doesn't have the twist for 168gr barnes lrx
Nosler Partition. Are the best hunting bullet. In my opinion. I will say that i like a 210 in my 338 win mag. It gives the best overall performance. And accurate for. 300 yads no problem. Killed mule deer, moose. Caribou, black bear and Grizzly bear. All one shot kills. Also i wantbto coment one the 250 flat nose partions i dint like them eatther. But they made them in both spitizer and a flat nose . and good luck finding and 388 partision bullets loaded or to reload wilth. Its like nosler stoped making them. In 210 g i wish i could get some.
Federal Fusion are definitely awesome. My .270win only likes Fusion, and they are deadly accurate in my .300WM. Can't get them to group consistently in my 7mm-08, but for that gun Hornady American Whitetail and Superformance have been fantastically accurate and deadly.
Nice 👌 good hunting
Great video chuck totally agree with u . Can't be the Nosler partitions been dropping big game for long time. Another good bullet is Sierra game kings but I have never used them myself. Must my deer here Pennsylvania been taken with Remington cor-loc green box sp 175gr 7mm mag. Or 30-30 old Silvertips from winchester. Or the new 95gr nosler balistic silver tips in winchester loading but small doe blue massive exit but do was only 90lbs or so. Still looking for one this year got few hunting video out myself on my channel search of deer this year. Next week is last week rifle till after Christmas then only open back up sorten area for 2weeks. But archery reopen till Feb.
Have u tried thae Speer gold dot
Only in handgun.
Just started reloading after years of hiatus. I have lived in AK for twenty years, but only as I approach retirement do I have time to shoot and hunt again. It was a great activity when I was young, single, and childless; work got in the way...
My current options are 25-06AI 10 TWIST BARREL, 30-06, 338-06, and 45-70, the first three are from a takedown /switch barrel I had built to make reloading interesting. Feedback on useful starting points for hunting in the State will be appreciated.
Like locations to go? Or ammunition to use?
I’m going with Nosler Accubonds for all my hunting.
As long as they don't get below 2200 fps where they don't expand
I'm a little late to this party. But I really appreciate your philosophy on hunting bullets.
Cup and core and repurposed target bullets should not be used for hunting.
We as hunters need to have integrity and have respect for the game animals we harvest.
Anyway, how do you like the newer CX bullet in comparison to the GMX?
Does it change its standing in your list for you?
Do you factor in price when considering the order?
For example, Barnes Vortex in .308 loaded with 150grn TTSX is $86 here in B.C.
But Hornady Outfitter and Superfomance in .308 with 165grn CX are both $55.
The Deer won't know the difference, but my wallet sure does.
I'm not shilling for any particular brand. I'm 58. I know better.
But we are sometimes our own worst enemies. If we keep buying the stoopid expensive items instead of the regularly expensive items🤪, then the ammo companies and retailers won't have any incentive to bring prices back down from the stratosphere.
I can't even roll my own right now due to the lack of primers so I'm stuck with factory offerings for now.
An unfortunate situation.
The CX is a good bullet. I've got a video on .30-06 in them. I can roll my own so I get the barnes LRX most the time. The TTSX
@Alaskan Ballistics I have just watched a couple of your videos where you talk about the LRX. I have shot the TTSX at the range to see how my rifles like them. They did. 👍
But have not yet used them on game. I'd like to do that this year.
I do see some LRX available in 145grn for 7mm. If I can get some primers, I will definitely give those a go.
I do still have SOME primers left. But I'm getting very low so I have to ration. Which, unfortunately, means I can't do any load development on new items. What a pain.
I hope this situation doesn't last much longer.
But please continue producing your informative videos.
I find them educational (Yup. It's still possible for a 58 yr old on the cusp of cootdom to learn.😁) and gives me new ideas and perspectives to try for myself. That is, whenever the heck these shortages stop and the prices come back to Earth.
A near max charge or rl22 and those 145gr lrx is a great load
@@AlaskanBallistics Thank you! I'll definitely give that a go. 👍
For my experience, I tried federal fusion and I tried nosler accubonds I can’t find much of a difference other than a plastic tip and slightly higher bc on one bullet. I can’t find a fault in fusion ammo. When prices go down they will be the best option for budget minded hunters, my personal opinion.
The accubond doesn't expand at slower velocities very well. I think the fusion does a little better.
@@AlaskanBallistics well for me, I keep my ranges where I hunt under 400 yards. It’s safe to say I never shoot past 250 yards actually. The animals I hunt are almost never very far. But I can see how a Barnes lrx ablr would be advantageous especially on the tundra
I understand that. My first caribou was at 280 yards. I had loaded 180gr nosler accubond in my .30-06. They were supposed to be going 2650, but in that barrel they only averaged 2588. They were below 2200 at 280 yards and did not open up at 250 either when the caribou ran towards us, finally a neck shot dropped it.
I'm not saying they're bad bullets, they're not. But just make sure they start out at over 3000 fos if you plan on 400 yards shots
@@AlaskanBallisticsyeah I have found them to be a real tough bullet. But honestly as long as one knows how his loads perform at whatever distance they plan to hunt, I happen to really like fusion ammo despite it not being very accurate in my rifle the performance is perfect for me and what I do
My best bullets for elk have been the Trophy Bonded bullets. Originally made by Jack Carr, he sold the patent to Federal. Sub MOA. Perfect expansion every time out of my 300 Win. Mag. Longest elk shot was 540 yds. It penetrated and was recovered from the off side hide. It was a perfect mushroom. I wouldn't usually shoot that far, but it was the only bull elk on a 6 day hunt and couldn't sneak any closer because of topography.
Nice. I've never used them. I'll put them on the list to try. Seams like they're similar to terminal ascent then?
@@AlaskanBallistics The terminal ascent is what you'd get if you took a trophy bonded tip and gave it a higher bc, with better low velocity expansion. For most shots under 300yds, I would prefer the trophy bonded, but for a do all, the terminal ascent is better. Truthfully I think you'd be hard pressed to find a difference in the two under 99% of shots taken while hunting.
@@papajohnsy6659 i can totally agree with that statement. Hunting open tundra, over 300 yards is a real possibility
This was a great information!
I have been hunting with a 300 Win Mag for the past 15 years, but I recently purchased this new Springfield Waypoint in .308. What would be your recommendation for the best .308 factory ammunition and bullet weight for whitetail and mule deer on shots in the 100 - 250 yard range? I hunt in a very thick brush area, so dropping the deer immediately is more important than not damaging the meat on the front shoulder... Thanks-
Federal Fusion 180gr probably for factory ammo. Bonded but expands well. Of course accuracy is more important
So I'd buy some factory loadings with barnes lrx, ttsx, federal fusion, federal terminal ascent and others and see which one shoots best in your rifle...
Accuracy is all about setting bullet (jump/jum)
Most of the time yes
Love the federal bonded bearclaw (taken elk and large black bear) with it, would like to see the bond strike performance
Me too
@@AlaskanBallistics swift scirocco 2 looks like a winner also
I've got a box to test
Really enjoyed your video and your thoughts on the different bullets , thanks 👍👍
Thank you Lance
Top bullets I’ve used on medium to large game, I’ve been hunting for 30 years .
1. Barnes TTSX or LRX
2.Hornady Gmx
3. Nosler E-tip
4. Nosler ballistic Tip
5. Winchester XP3
6. Nosler Accubond
7. Federal Trophy Bonded Tip
Honorable mention is a Berger VLD bullet!
These are my favorites from coyote to bear!
I shoot a 7mm WSM!
Glad you've found something that worked!!
I'm surprised not to see the Swift A-frame. Or did I miss that
I've not used it and it's essentially a copy of the partition
@@AlaskanBallistics I could be wrong but if my memory serves me the difference between the A-frame and the partition is the front core on the A-frame is bonded. The swift bullets are some of the toughest bullets you can get but they are expensive. I can never get myself to buy them 😂
Yeah I've only seen a few. I have a .41 magnum video on the swift A-frame. Wasn't that impressed
👍👍up, Chuck.
Wait, that came out wrong!
I'm fascinated by all the tech, and I love to know which of these have more motor.
More velocity?
@@AlaskanBallistics The ability to keep penetrating through without fragging all to hell and stopping. Like with football, you want a guy who who can push his counterpart back, and not just grapple and then fall down.
My top 5 and I paused the video to write this before you started to see if there is any similarities.
1.30-06
2. 45-70
3. 10mm
4. 22 LR
5.12 Guage
Springfield or Winchester will never let you down. Nosler is great but hard to find sometimes.
Bullets not cartridges. Some Winchester are bad
shot a bull elk 560 yards, in new mexico i used remington coreloks he went straight down, always had great luck with them also shot a 350 lb black bear at 250 yards in a 30-06 again went right to the ground really good bullets
Maybe they used to be, and I'm glad they shoot well for you. With Remington's quality decline over the last few years I've seen their ammo get worse and worse. Their standard deviations in their corelokt line has been the worst in the channel. I've seen tons of jacket separation from them. And I've even recently seen two different color printers in the same box of Ammunition.
I shot a big whitetail doe at 340 yards with Nosler e-tips 168 grain 308 win Tikka. I bought the ammo at a decent price thought I would try it. The Tikka really likes that ammo, sub MOA dropped that doe in her tracks.
Nice! Glad those worked well for you
I love hornady .270 140gr. American Whitetail. Accurate and never lost an animal. Dropped on the spot.
My wife has a Sako. 270 and I was not able to get it to shoot 140gr Interlocks. A dude told me to try a box of 130gr anything instead. He said 5 Sakos and Tikkas he shot did not stabilize 140gr . The 130gr American Whitetail put 5 under a dime. She got a nice Saskatchewan bull moose last fall. 3 in the heart and bottom lungs at 100yrs. All perfect shots. We have a Remington sps in 270 that shoots 140gr interlocks . 357 inch elk at 500yds 2 shots and down.
@kdean8129 nice! Godspeed and good hunting to you and yours my friend!
My favorite big game bullet for any rifle is the Swift Aframe.
I've got to test that one
Great video! I was planning on taking the terminal accent to Africa in March but my 280AI hates them which sucks because they’ve been my favorite in everything else but it’s the first rifle that I’ve had that likes nosler. I’m getting a .56” 4 shot group at 250 yards with nosler trophy grade 160gr partitions. I was getting a 4” group with the terminal accents so I sold those and was able to find 5 boxes of partitions the same day. My gun likes my reloaded 160gr trophy bonded tips but I only have 10 left and can’t find no more.
You are correct I like this video. I've got 7 boxes of the 6.5 Creedmoor 127grain LRX but I can't ever seem to find anymore so I don't know if that is what I want to stick with. I have my Creedmoor dialed in from 200-500 with Remington Core lokt 140grain. I want to stay with Barnes because I've had better luck with that ammo
That 127 grain Barnes LRX sledgehammer to cow caribou for me
On the last video you said BIG Game not dog deer RE SST on Missouri deer & bone I only shot ribs & they work 100% . Hard cast & soft point kill VERY SLOW , I would only use Partition / A frame style ammo for Big & Bad game . In a 44 I would use heavy XTP , not hard cast or soft points .
Xtp for deer in 44, but Harvard for BIG game
I said big game in this one too
@@AlaskanBallistics Not sure what Harvard is .. I have seen 300 Gr XTP go 3 ft in gel from a 4" & did some ( not too much ) expansion .
I would never use 300 Gr in a 44 on deer .. much too strong a bullet . In a rifle 240 Gr H P is fine . In a handgun , 180 , 200 or 210 JHP is a better choice .
I still have a bunch of handloads with the Federal Terminal Assent in 270WSM and 26 Nosler. For a hunting bullet they give me ridiculous accuracy. I've loaded the 140gr in 6.5 Creedmoor and was shooting consistently into a half inch the other 2 cartridges I've loaded with it is still in that .75 inch area. Have you ever got your hands on any of the Swift Sirocco 2 bullets?? I loaded the 130gr Sirocco 2 bullets in 6.5 Creedmoor for my mom and dad for this year's deer season and that bullet shot really good and the performance was perfect even at distance on Louisiana white tail. I've been trying to find some I can load in one of my 7mm guns for hopefully a moose or elk hunt next year instead of my usual Accubond... and that's if I can find either before next year but if not I have a good stockpile of the TTSX bullets in just about everything I shoot. Great video as always keepem coming brother!!!
I have a box of fiocchi 6.5 creedmoor with the swift sirrocco 2 i need to test. Good hunting
Always liked the Hornady Interbond bullets. Very accurate out of both of my 30-06's and always got complete pass throughs with the 150 grainers on whitetail deer. Hornady for some reason don't load them much anymore.
Yeah I've got some in .270 and .338 to try.
@@AlaskanBallistics They perform similar to the Nosler Accubonds. Don't come apart like the SST's.
Cool
I've used 180 Nosler Partition ammo, 30'06 great accuracy loads. Shot placement, as close as I can get to my game animals, a well placed headshot for moose is my preference 😁
I have 2 50rnd boxes of 220 Nosler Partition for monster bulls or bears 😁
The 180ge partitions would also be just fine on a bear. Good hunting load
No 1 for me is legendary Nosler Partition!!!
I'm glad you enjoy it and yes it does well.
I’ve never seen a Norma spire point, but they may make one. Federal makes a premium line of 30.06 with Barnes TSX bullets, that shoot sub MOA out of my 70 year old Remington 721. The only factory ammo that shot that well. Norma wasn’t bad, at about an 1 1/2”. After all the technology and advancements in bullet shape and material, nothing beats a Nosler partition!
The tsx is great at short range but may not open up below 2300 fps. The ttsx is best. Better penetration, bc, and weight retention than a partition.
Love the video series, Thanks. I wonder if you guys can help me out here. I've tried water jugs..fun yes. Homemade gel..expensive takes up space in the fridge. Can't find magazines..nobody reads any more. Wife doesn't like me blowing up roasts, neither does the dog...What works for you?
Water jugs with pork shoulders and ribs
@@AlaskanBallistics I guess copper makes an ok tenderizer . I have a friend with a sawmill , maybe wet sawdust in bags would work. I filled a cooler with drywall compound once, worked good 'til a friend came over with his 450 Marlin.
Last year I shoe a Mule deer doe at 618 yard in my 300 Win Mag with the 165 grain Fusion ammo. It was in a Tikka T3 with the Sig BDX scope and rangefinder combo. This factory ammo shoots amazing out of my gun. I bought 6 boxes of it back when it was $19.99 a box! Now the price is crazy.
Anyway, that was my longest shot ever on a big game animal, one shot, right behind the shoulder, right where I was aiming, she humped up and stumbled about 20 feet and fell over dead. Very good ammo!
Fusion is a great bullet
Good to hear. Running Fusion 165 gr .30-06 for both Deer and Elk here in WA. Seem to be pretty accurate.
Get the Van B.A.
I have found that if I can’t get a Barnes bullet to shoot tight groups that I had one of two problems,, either I have chosen a too slow of burn rate powder and I am a little over 99 percent case capacity and I am crunching down the powder to the extent that oacl is various and wandering,,or I just don’t have the bullet seated deep enough,,,try the new reloader 16 ,,I did and was amazed.
Nice if i can find some i will
Barnes LRX is my load in .300wby SS Vanguard S2 & 6.5CM Tikka lite SS getting .6 MOA in each! TTSX would be #2, pushed the 130+150gr to max loads in the .300Wby and had petal loss in water jugs, but still 7-8 jugs penetration 60% weight retention. Best bullet made right now with price and availability, imo. Don't want lead in my meat, but Terminal Ascents are on my wish list, I'd use those... Pinnacle of bullet design.
Sounds like you've got your loads dialed in!
@@AlaskanBallistics that's off a bi-pod, BTW... 👍
I shoot all mine off a bipod with a back sand bag
Just answered my question about the LRX for 6.5cm. I noticed a major deflection at the vitals. Good to know.
Federal fusion are great for deer, cheap, bonded, precise and consistent velocities. The newer tipped would be awesome
We'll see
I also use federal ammo in my 338 win mag, I prefer to use 225 grain. great performance! And of course a you can’t go wrong if you use a gilding metal bullet with a ballistic tip. Good list.
Thank you.
Does any factory ammunition come with nosler partition?
Nosler brand and some federal
Federal fusion is underrated honestly never let me down
It's a great bullet
I use Nosler partition bullets in both my .308 and 300 RUM. I also use Remington A Frame for both. Remington A Frame has a little better accuracy at 400 yards. With the 300 RUM and about the same in the .308 at 200 yards compared with Nosler. I took some black tips out of old 30-06 and loaded it in the 300 RUM. Not an accurate bullet and not good for hunting, but it goes through steel plate and level 4 body armor.
Swift makes those bullets not Remington thankfully. But Remington's losing of them Is good?
@AlaskanBallistics true. I should have been more specific. They were Remington cartridges using the Swift A Frame. Back then Remington was making decent ammo.
I feel like Barnes could bag the TTSX and have only LRXs and TSXs, for longer and shorter ranges respectively. They would need a lot better bullet weight selection in the LRX to account for variability first.
I understand where you're coming from. It's more of a short, medium, and long, type of thing
Shot a Caribou through the boiler maker a long time ago with the 95gr federal fusion in 243 Winchester. Found the bullet in the off side ribs with that perfect signature 5 pedal mushroom. I have some 168 gr Speer gold dots that I need to do load development for my 30-06 and 308 win. Maybe that would be a good test bullet for you too?
It would be. Thank you
I have a .308 and using the Federal Terminal Ascents this year for Elk. Wanting to reload for next season. Cant decide on getting Terminal Ascents, Noslers Accubond/Partition, or the Barnes TTSX. Only thing ready to ship is the Noslers and Barnes. I hunt elk in either Washington State (West) or Rockie Mountains in CO. Maybe I buy all of em and see what my rifle likes more for MOA.
Yeah it's often hard to copy the accuracy of factory rounds. I'd buy more loaded ammo if they shoot good... then maybe get into reloading.
I noticed that you DISLIKE the Barnes VOR-TX TSX in your other video, and include the "Tipped" TTSX in your favorites... I've had great accuracy out of the TTSX and I'm wondering if you've taken any game with them with different results from the bear you spoke of that the TSX didn't put down effectively.
@@sentineloffreedom no unfortunately, not yet. I've been getting great results with the barnes LRX!
Glad to see the Winchester deer season xps aren’t on here doesn’t matter the caliber it’s awful hunting ammo tried it in 270,6.5cm and 308 and they didn’t penetrate on the other hand the deer season xp copper impacts mushroom amazing while the regular ones just explode don’t matter where you hit the deer
I couldn't agree more and included them on the worst list
My Winchester featherweight 7-08 loves the 120ttsx with rl15, right at .5”…took a big Alberta whitetail doe with my 30-06 and 180ttsx going around 2600ish at 220, expired in seconds…..thanks for sharing
Good to know it works well. Godspeed and good hunting
Norma, Nosler, Barnes, and Federal seem to have figured out several bullet designs that work. Hornady chose to invest in marketing.
Yep. Though their new cx bullet will do nicely.