Thanks for another interesting video Jeffrey, I'd never heard of this bus until today and I think you're right, when it comes to designing double deckers, leave it to us Brits, lol!
What a find, thank you so much for sharing. It's definitely a strange design but even without that having three doors the seats downstairs would be limited
OMG Jeffrey, this is REALLY hitting home with me❤ The beautiful AERFER double decker was extensively used in my hometown, Florence. It was one of very few cities alongside Rome, Naples and Bari I think to make use of this quirky yet beautiful design. They were fondly loved by all, and the local transport company even tried to salvage one at some point in the 1990s. I managed to enjoy a couple of rides in the '90s when the one restaured example was put in use on a semi-irregular heritage line. Some of the images shown in the video are actually from the ATAF buses used in Florence. Thanks SO SO MUCH ❤❤❤
Hello! I'm really glad you liked the video! This bus deserved a video of its own! Trying to translate the information I found may lead to some 'issues' in information, but I did the best I could. Most of the photos I found had no location, unfortunately, so it was a bit difficult to tell exactly where they were taken. Great to hear the public really loved these buses! Must have been great to ride these! Thanks very much for watching again!!
@@JeffreyOrnstein Oh Jeffrey, it's a fantastic video!!! no 'issues', just kudos!! Keep up the great work. The AERFER buses were fun for passengers, although really noisy. Also, they seemed to emit A LOT of sooty, black smoke. They were apparently NOT fun for drivers. Especially trying to navigate the narrow streets and sharp bends of Florence!
Thanks Jeffrey for another fine informative video. 😊 As a London bus enthusiast, I cannot get to like the slanting upper rear design. I just think of it as wasted space !
Wow you have done it again Jeffery. A rare and very interesting double deck bus. The practice of passengers not using the upper deck as they might miss their stop still applies in many places in England today.
ah yes, mad Italian dessigns are my passion! from de Tomasso to Zonda, Lingotto to Targa Florio - and yes even beast of turin ( F.I.A.T. S76) are all things i think need more love. Original and yet insane ideas that are often unique (okay fine Isle of Man TT is pretty good counter point to Targa Florio). i love uniquness so much that today's busses being all basicaly same is hurting my soul. particularly since we no longer have the 4 segment door opening to at least spice it up that way. What a strange yet visualy pleasing idea - sloped tail on bus... i like it. Yeah i can see the oddity of having to get down stairs at stop, i heard horror stories of italian busses (okay fine saw them in bruno bozetto's videos but thats still an overheard rummour). that might be why articulated busses exist - additionall pair of doors for rear is pretty handy.
Excellent and very interesting film Jeffrey....up to your normal standard 👍👍 Although different from UK deckers ....i find these very attractive vehicles .... Keep it up ...cant wait for the next one ...
Just a minute, I'm sure a right hand drive Leyland PD2 slipped into one of Jeffrey's photos! Another great, informative and entertaining video from Jeffrey. 10 out of 10 once again!
Another day of education Jeffrey - thank you. The jury is still out about the rear 'Half Teardrop' design! Like you say, it's like a British design grated onto a Dutch design. I really like the final version, a bit like the old VW bus with the 23 window on the top deck.
Thank you. A rather good looking and convincing design. In Porto, Portugal there were some very handsomely bodied buses - Leyland Atlantans and Daimler Fleetlines. Some of them are up there with the Mancunian!
Yet another entertaining video. Have you looked at the miriad of double decker found in Berlin - from those made by Büssing, Henschel and Daimler-Benz before and after the was, up to those built by MAN and Alexander Dennis today?
Hello! I would like to do videos on those German buses, but getting information and properly translating it is a bit of a challenge (this video included). Thanks very much for watching again!!
Thanks for that - like you I'd seen pictures of these strange buses but never knew anything about them! Goodness, they do look spartan inside! Given the hot weather that they might experience in a Roman summer, you might not expect British Moquette, but plastic seats? 176bhp is a decent power output, so its slightly surprising that they could only manage 50kph - not that it matters much in a bus in Rome! Always puzzled that most European operators like buses with at least 2 doors - these have 3 big ones, but in the UK, more than one door is considered an unnecessary extravagance, except in London!
Speed limited as RM's were to 40 mph, 50 RMC's and 55 RMA's The 'Boris' buses had three doors, two doors and the open platform with doors now not used as a Conductor is legally required on an open platform bus whose only job was to manage the boarding and alighting from the platform and assist old and young ladies with their shopping on them.
@@tonys1636 Well, as ever London is the exception that proves the rule! The RMCs/RCLs only had around 120bhp or something, yet could get to 40 or 50 - I grew up riding RMCs and RCLs, and am trying to recall if they ever got up to a decent speed with me riding them!), whilst these Fiats had a serious amount of grunt, though probably in a bus that weighed more, yet only reached, or were limited to, 30mph approx. As I mentioned I suspect that in the streets of Rome, it probably wasn't an issue!
Glad you liked the video! Three doors is extravagant in some parts of the world...you'd never see that on an American bus!! Thanks for watching again!!
Once more you deliver superb and entertaining content Geoffrey. Regarding Observation coaches, I believe London Fire Brigade had a major incident control vehicle based on one bus I saw it in the Ladybird book on the fire brigade in the 60s. Old buses never die, they hopefully get repurposed....have a superb Christmas 😮😮😮😮😮😮
Sharp looking IMHO. No it didn’t have iconic looks and status as the London types but it didn’t look bad. Love those cast spoke wheels. Thanks as always Jeffery so something a bit different this time.
Jeffrey, when you show an image of the engine used on a particular bus, is the accompanying sound of an engine starting that of the engine shown on screen?
The lantern style front windows were found on the 1959 Midland Red C5M coach in the UK. The shape cuts down reflections from lights within the bus for the driver at night. I note the use of demountable rim wheels, which are still used in Iberia. I do not see the purpose of the sloping roofline at the back.
Hello! Oh yes, I guess I could have mentioned the Midland Red bus, as well as the American Twin Coach and Flxible buses that had that style of windshield....LOL, I guess I could have went on about each bus that had it....Thanks for watching again!!
No. Just no. You are totally ignoring the traditional Berlin double-decker buses, which have been a fixture of Berlin buses for ages. Yes, we only have 199 of them left (one went up in flames [I am not making this up]), but double-decker buses are as much engrained into the cityscape as London double-deckers are-
Don't get the sloped roof at the back, but that was amazing! Going up stairs for a smoke is British folklore...Guess Italians don't trust leaning structures! (Piza Refence) ;)
It seems a pretty conventional design overall albeit styled a little differently from the UK fleets. I might be missing something but I can't see how the design itself would lead to passengers missing their stop.
It's quite a nice design. Why the sloping back? The new windscreen looks 'cleaner'. The old windscreen looks similar to the Brossel BL55 french single-deck bus. Britain did have some the nicest double deckers. Other countries' models seem a hotch-potch of designs. This Roman Fiat has something. IXO Hachette make some fine models. Good video.
Anybody's double deckers with roof bus is way too top-heavy and vulnerable to wind. Look how Ralph Cramden did it. He drove. He made change. That's simple. Conductors are for trains.
Hi Jeffrey, doesn't Berlin also use double-decker buses? I remember to have seen them in older German films. But perhaps they have been decommissioned.
Fantastic looking Bus though. I can understand why it became so hot in the cab. All bus drivers have suffer in the summer with NO AIR CONDITIONING, it must have been HELL in a hot climate!!! Drivers are such a disposable item!!!
Paris experienced a similar problem when they introduced a small number of Berliet double-deckers around the same time. They concluded that Parisians were just too lazy to go upstairs.
Anyone know if any survive in preservation or museums or know of one repurposed as a cafe or parked up just waiting it's time to shine again ... Very quirky
Those awful looking seats would put me off going on one Wonder why they fitted them Lots of vandals there? It looks to have a lot of waste space downstairs with all the doors Surely two sets were enough and more seats.
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Thanks for another interesting video Jeffrey, I'd never heard of this bus until today and I think you're right, when it comes to designing double deckers, leave it to us Brits, lol!
My thoughts are the same, didn't know Fiat trid building coaches
Glad you liked the video! Yes, the Brits do design the best double deckers! Thanks very much for watching again!!
Brilliant, again, Jeffrey!
Thank you! I'm really glad you liked the video! Thanks for watching again!!
Thank you Jeffrey, another enjoyable video about a very interesting bus. Great. Greetings from the UK/GB, and you have a great day, too, BB.
Hello! Really glad you enjoyed the video! Thanks very much for watching again!!
What a find, thank you so much for sharing. It's definitely a strange design but even without that having three doors the seats downstairs would be limited
Hello! Really glad you liked the video of this odd bus! Thanks very much for watching again!!
OMG Jeffrey, this is REALLY hitting home with me❤
The beautiful AERFER double decker was extensively used in my hometown, Florence.
It was one of very few cities alongside Rome, Naples and Bari I think to make use of this quirky yet beautiful design.
They were fondly loved by all, and the local transport company even tried to salvage one at some point in the 1990s.
I managed to enjoy a couple of rides in the '90s when the one restaured example was put in use on a semi-irregular heritage line.
Some of the images shown in the video are actually from the ATAF buses used in Florence.
Thanks SO SO MUCH ❤❤❤
Hello! I'm really glad you liked the video! This bus deserved a video of its own! Trying to translate the information I found may lead to some 'issues' in information, but I did the best I could. Most of the photos I found had no location, unfortunately, so it was a bit difficult to tell exactly where they were taken. Great to hear the public really loved these buses! Must have been great to ride these! Thanks very much for watching again!!
@@JeffreyOrnstein Oh Jeffrey, it's a fantastic video!!! no 'issues', just kudos!! Keep up the great work.
The AERFER buses were fun for passengers, although really noisy. Also, they seemed to emit A LOT of sooty, black smoke. They were apparently NOT fun for drivers. Especially trying to navigate the narrow streets and sharp bends of Florence!
Thanks Jeffrey for another fine informative video. 😊
As a London bus enthusiast, I cannot get to like the slanting upper rear design.
I just think of it as wasted space !
Hello! Really glad you found the video interesting! I think the rear slope was just for looks, LOL. Thanks for watching again!!
Up to your usual high standard Jeffrey, thank you.
Loved the pic of the subject DD alongside the PD2.
Thank you! I'm really glad you liked the video!! Wish I knew more about that PD2! Thanks for watching again!!
The 413 looks impressive.
Wow you have done it again Jeffery. A rare and very interesting double deck bus. The practice of passengers not using the upper deck as they might miss their stop still applies in many places in England today.
Hello! Very glad you found the video and its subject interesting! Who wouldn't want to miss their stop??? Thanks for watching again!!
ah yes,
mad Italian dessigns are my passion!
from de Tomasso to Zonda, Lingotto to Targa Florio - and yes even beast of turin ( F.I.A.T. S76) are all things i think need more love.
Original and yet insane ideas that are often unique (okay fine Isle of Man TT is pretty good counter point to Targa Florio). i love uniquness so much that today's busses being all basicaly same is hurting my soul. particularly since we no longer have the 4 segment door opening to at least spice it up that way.
What a strange yet visualy pleasing idea - sloped tail on bus... i like it.
Yeah i can see the oddity of having to get down stairs at stop, i heard horror stories of italian busses (okay fine saw them in bruno bozetto's videos but thats still an overheard rummour). that might be why articulated busses exist - additionall pair of doors for rear is pretty handy.
Hi Jeffrey 😊 😁 another great video again. 🎉
Hello! Very glad you liked today's video!! Thanks for watching again!!
An interesting vehicle and fairly attractive to look at despite the strange , sloping rear end .
Yes, it's sort of a nice bus to look at, despite its oddities! Thanks very much for watching!!
Like small tilt windows at front. Perfect for watching the expression of the (just stop oil) people as they go under
Thank you Jeffery very interesting as always 🚌
Really happy you found the video interesting! Thanks for watching again!!
Excellent and very interesting film Jeffrey....up to your normal standard 👍👍
Although different from UK deckers ....i find these very attractive vehicles ....
Keep it up ...cant wait for the next one ...
Hello! I'm really happy you found the video and its subject interesting! Thanks for watching again!!
Just a minute, I'm sure a right hand drive Leyland PD2 slipped into one of Jeffrey's photos! Another great, informative and entertaining video from Jeffrey. 10 out of 10 once again!
Thank you Melanie, glad you liked it! Thanks for watching again!!
There is something fundamentally WRONG with a double-decker bus not being made in Britain. 😮
Well said,it's always gonna be compared to what the Brits has already done
LOL, I'm sure most will agree with that! Thanks very much for watching!!
Disagree. What about the Berlin MAN double deckers?
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Another day of education Jeffrey - thank you.
The jury is still out about the rear 'Half Teardrop' design!
Like you say, it's like a British design grated onto a Dutch design.
I really like the final version, a bit like the old VW bus with the 23 window on the top deck.
Really glad you found the video interesting! Thanks for watching again!!
Thank you. A rather good looking and convincing design. In Porto, Portugal there were some very handsomely bodied buses - Leyland Atlantans and Daimler Fleetlines. Some of them are up there with the Mancunian!
Hello! Sounds interesting - I'll look into the Porto buses! Thanks very much for watching again!!
Yet another entertaining video. Have you looked at the miriad of double decker found in Berlin - from those made by Büssing, Henschel and Daimler-Benz before and after the was, up to those built by MAN and Alexander Dennis today?
Hello! I would like to do videos on those German buses, but getting information and properly translating it is a bit of a challenge (this video included). Thanks very much for watching again!!
Thanks for that - like you I'd seen pictures of these strange buses but never knew anything about them! Goodness, they do look spartan inside! Given the hot weather that they might experience in a Roman summer, you might not expect British Moquette, but plastic seats? 176bhp is a decent power output, so its slightly surprising that they could only manage 50kph - not that it matters much in a bus in Rome! Always puzzled that most European operators like buses with at least 2 doors - these have 3 big ones, but in the UK, more than one door is considered an unnecessary extravagance, except in London!
Speed limited as RM's were to 40 mph, 50 RMC's and 55 RMA's The 'Boris' buses had three doors, two doors and the open platform with doors now not used as a Conductor is legally required on an open platform bus whose only job was to manage the boarding and alighting from the platform and assist old and young ladies with their shopping on them.
@@tonys1636 Well, as ever London is the exception that proves the rule! The RMCs/RCLs only had around 120bhp or something, yet could get to 40 or 50 - I grew up riding RMCs and RCLs, and am trying to recall if they ever got up to a decent speed with me riding them!), whilst these Fiats had a serious amount of grunt, though probably in a bus that weighed more, yet only reached, or were limited to, 30mph approx. As I mentioned I suspect that in the streets of Rome, it probably wasn't an issue!
Glad you liked the video! Three doors is extravagant in some parts of the world...you'd never see that on an American bus!! Thanks for watching again!!
Once more you deliver superb and entertaining content Geoffrey. Regarding Observation coaches, I believe London Fire Brigade had a major incident control vehicle based on one bus I saw it in the Ladybird book on the fire brigade in the 60s. Old buses never die, they hopefully get repurposed....have a superb Christmas 😮😮😮😮😮😮
Sharp looking IMHO. No it didn’t have iconic looks and status as the London types but it didn’t look bad. Love those cast spoke wheels.
Thanks as always Jeffery so something a bit different this time.
Oh yes, and I don't think it will ever be iconic. But interesting, yes! Thanks for watching again!!
Good one Jeffrey
Really glad you liked the video! Thanks for watching again!!
Pomigliano D'arco was Alfa Romeo plant near Naples, as far as i remember.
Indeed, AERFER was headquartered in Naples
Hello! It could have been an error on my part - trying to translate the information may lead to some issues! Thanks very much for watching!!
Jeffrey, when you show an image of the engine used on a particular bus, is the accompanying sound of an engine starting that of the engine shown on screen?
I know of another un British double decker,it was the Twin Coach busses that ran in New York City on 5th avenue
The front end is quite attractive, as for the rear..
LOL, I know what you mean...Thanks for watching!!
The lantern style front windows were found on the 1959 Midland Red C5M coach in the UK. The shape cuts down reflections from lights within the bus for the driver at night. I note the use of demountable rim wheels, which are still used in Iberia. I do not see the purpose of the sloping roofline at the back.
And the Dutch Leyland Nationals.
Hello! Oh yes, I guess I could have mentioned the Midland Red bus, as well as the American Twin Coach and Flxible buses that had that style of windshield....LOL, I guess I could have went on about each bus that had it....Thanks for watching again!!
No. Just no. You are totally ignoring the traditional Berlin double-decker buses, which have been a fixture of Berlin buses for ages. Yes, we only have 199 of them left (one went up in flames [I am not making this up]), but double-decker buses are as much engrained into the cityscape as London double-deckers are-
Hello! If I can find enough info on Berlin's double deckers, I'd do a video on them!! Especially those vintage ones! Thanks for watching again!!
Don't get the sloped roof at the back, but that was amazing! Going up stairs for a smoke is British folklore...Guess Italians don't trust leaning structures! (Piza Refence) ;)
Well the very first GM RTS’s had a rear slope like that too.
Hello! I couldn't find a reason for the sloped roof...I guess its for looks! LOL! Thanks for watching again!!
Jeffrey any of these buses in museum's or in a collection
So the rearmost doors and stairs were for exiting from the upper deck only?
Could be... Thanks for watching again!!
It seems a pretty conventional design overall albeit styled a little differently from the UK fleets. I might be missing something but I can't see how the design itself would lead to passengers missing their stop.
Yes, it's odd that people would think they'd miss their stop...I guess it's just easier to ride downstairs.... Thanks for watching again!!
It's quite a nice design. Why the sloping back? The new windscreen looks 'cleaner'. The old windscreen looks similar to the Brossel BL55 french single-deck bus. Britain did have some the nicest double deckers. Other countries' models seem a hotch-potch of designs. This Roman Fiat has something. IXO Hachette make some fine models. Good video.
The sloping back followed the angle of the rear staircase.
Hello! The slsoping back is a bit of a mystery...it made it more difficult for seated passengers in the back row. Hmm.... Thanks for watching again!!
Anybody's double deckers with roof bus is way too top-heavy and vulnerable to wind. Look how Ralph Cramden did it. He drove. He made change. That's simple. Conductors are for trains.
Can we talk about the PD2 at 7.20???
Sure...wish I knew more about it!! Thanks for watching!!
Hi Jeffrey, doesn't Berlin also use double-decker buses? I remember to have seen them in older German films. But perhaps they have been decommissioned.
Hello! Yes, I know Berlin definitely had double-deckers! I'd like to do a video on them if I could get enough info! Thanks for watching again!!
People were frightened of missing their stop?? Did nobody hear of the “BUS STOPPING” bell???
LOL, not sure if there even was a bell up there... Thanks very much for watching!!
Fantastic looking Bus though. I can understand why it became so hot in the cab. All bus drivers have suffer in the summer with NO AIR CONDITIONING, it must have been HELL in a hot climate!!! Drivers are such a disposable item!!!
Paris experienced a similar problem when they introduced a small number of Berliet double-deckers around the same time. They concluded that Parisians were just too lazy to go upstairs.
Anyone know if any survive in preservation or museums or know of one repurposed as a cafe or parked up just waiting it's time to shine again ... Very quirky
Millimetre’s? Nobody really uses that apart from finer measurements, metres with decimal points maybe?
Well, that's what the drawing had! Thanks for watching!!
Hideous looking thing! How hard is it to design a double decker? As for that roof at the back,what's going on there?!
Those awful looking seats would put me off going on one Wonder why they fitted them Lots of vandals there? It looks to have a lot of waste space downstairs with all the doors Surely two sets were enough and more seats.
Yes, my thoughts exactly on the interior! Thanks for watching again!!